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Oronike Odeleye

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She is only discussed by reliable, independent sources in the context of the Mute R. Kelly movement, which she founded. Even the awards she won are all in relation to this movement. The only source I could find that was not related to the R Kelly stuff was this puff piece, which was published at the same time that she had gotten a PR company to publish this other puff piece that looks the same. In fact, most sources that talk about her art career are either not independent or look like very routine annoucements. We would do better by leaving this as a redirect to Mute R. Kelly. Badbluebus (talk) 15:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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House/Wife

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Not meeting notability criteria WP:NFF. - The9Man ^Talk 09:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Redirect to Danis_Goulet#Career: with the sources (all or some) to indicate it was a project for Netflix, who was the writer and other details (presence of Alice Braga) (and plot line, if judged necessary). A redirect allow to preserve history and is standard in such cases (sources+notable diredtor+cast+etc) even if the project crashed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Pantherism

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Not having references or not notable enough to have a separate article. Probable Redirect to New Afrikan Black Panther Party#Ideology - The9Man ^Talk 08:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Noah Giansiracusa

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Subject fails WP:NACADEMIC and references could not prove WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Just as Ldm1954 stated on the talk page, this is indeed WP:TOOSOON. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Nasamike

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG; random program manager among a multitude who had similar positions at NASA flight centers. Yes, was mentioned in a random NSF newsletter page, but that doesn't make one notable. ZimZalaBim ^talk 19:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Agreed TheHalalanator (talk) 20:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete: There is no enough secondary, reliable and independent sources to establish the subject's notability. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Ravieshwar Singh

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. It's just the blatant non adherence to the reviewer's comment/decline reason by the page creator/submitter. If we are considering the sources, they are mostly WP:SELFPUB. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete - not notable, self-published sourcing, and editor has not taken into account advice. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 05:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep - editor corrected TV Guide link, author published through reputable sources (not blogs), many citations to his work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B837:8C03:E011:E929:8629:EFF (talk) 16:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete - not notable. If it is kept then "Rgs21" should clarify if they have any link to Ravi Guru Singh, the nickname of the article subject. Ttwaring (talk) 17:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep - substantively this page has more citations and support than many other notability pages. Rgs21 may be on vacation or unavailable and the page should not hinge on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.114.12 (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Richard Rutledge

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Couldn't find any sources, just some images of his work. This unreliable blog states, "When compared to his widely recognized contemporaries, Richard Rutledge remains relatively obscure today. Little is known about the slightly enigmatic photographer". Clarityfiend (talk) 10:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete: but with regret and reluctance. Rutledge seems to have been a prolific photographer[her whose work was often published in Vogue. However it has proved impossible to find online references. Obviousy his date of death militates against the online world, yet archived copies are being digitised all the time. If verifiably notable later n it will not be hard to write a substantially different article from this rather sparse stub. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Bruce Hall (musician)

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Fails WP:NBIO despite being known for his work as the bass guitarist, backing and lead vocalist for the rock band REO Speedwagon. GTrang (talk) 18:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: I have been unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources. voorts (talk/contributions) 18:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Jason Grubb

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After three declined by three reviewers, the page creator continued resubmitting without properly reviewing the decline reason. Aside that, the sources aren't reliable, and this individual doesn't meet WP:NATH. More opinions are usually expressed in AFDs. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: Seems to be a soccer coach with the same name, not sure if it's him or not. Regardless, there is no sourcing for this crossfit athlete, with only database listings now used for sourcing. I can't find anything about him. Oaktree b (talk) 23:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Stephen-Craig Aristei

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Procedural nom as AfD1 closer since, while not a G4, it does not seem the issues raised in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen-Craig Aristei have been addressed sufficiently. Should the consensus remain draftify recommend move protection. Star Mississippi 22:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Courtesy ping to all who participated: @SafariScribe @TarnishedPath @Spiderone @Timtrent @Rkg5514 @Bearian @Andy Dingley Star Mississippi 22:28, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

I think other editors were accommodating because it was the Creator's first article. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Hey guys -- added section regarding SCA's management of Survivor, from a primary source text (Jim Peterik's memoir). Being GM of WB Music, discovering a multi-platinum act, additional management of acts across the late-70s and 80s I think establish his notability. I've cited contemporaneous news stories (Billboard, Cash Box). He's not David Geffen, but so few of us are... Rkg5514 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Have added information and citation regarding SCA's role in placing a number one hit single with David Cassidy in '73. Trying to alleviate concerns SCA was not associated with any substantial hits... Rkg5514 (talk) 00:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

please be mindful of WP:BLUDGEON. What is your connection with Aristei? Star Mississippi 01:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Sorry, didn't mean to bludgeon, just wanted to keep this space apprised on changes. Relationship is, served as copy editor on a manuscript in which he was featured. Rkg5514 (talk) 16:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Move protect. I have been always fine with protecting articles, especially move protection. My record has been absolutely clear for 17 years. Thank you for the ping. Bearian (talk) 01:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete: The edtior who moved this back to mainspace had their chance to demonstrate notability prior to moving it back to mainspace and they've failed.Draftify and Move Protect and guidance provided to the editor that they must utilise AFC on this subject. Only one source has anything more than passing mentions and that's a blog (hosted by WordPress). The rest of the references only mention the subject once or not at all. There's only one article I can't access which is reference 6. I was unable to find anything else through doing searches which demonstrates notability. TarnishedPath^talk 02:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Draftify and Move Protect: Nothing to verify notability has changed. As a key tenet of Wikipedia WP:V must be demonstrated. The creating editor's ambition in returning this to mainspace exceeds Aristel's claim to notability. While AFC is not compulsory I believe they should be given firm guidance to await a review. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 05:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Weak keep I don't much like this article. It's mostly a big list of notable bands with no obvious reason to connect them to the article subject. However I do think that basic BLPN is being met, so I'd keep it.

What I don't like are all the things that are mentioned, but not explained - like the Survivor litigation. That's no use in an encyclopedia. I don't even know what a 'song plugger' does? It seems to be someone who plugs songs (i.e. written sheet music) to generate cover versions by popular artists. But IMHE (in the UK), the term is more commonly someone who plugs recorded songs to generate airplay and sales. An article, even a short one like this, is far from complete until such loose ends are tied off. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

National Good Neighbor Day

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Orphan article with no meaningful content and three contradictory facts. Nick Levine (talk) 17:34, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep It’s an orphan article, and a stub at that, but the holiday is real, a quick google throws up literally hundreds of current references to it in various local newspapers talking about local events celebrating it this year, and the three contradictory facts aren’t contradictory - all three have sources proving they happened, as simply clicking on the source links shows immediately. It was invented, THEN Carter make a proclamation, THEN the senate passed a resolution, three different steps, taken over time, to promote the holiday. Like, sure, someone should absolutely edit the article to make it better, and I would have thought that would be the first step rather than listing it for deletion, policy certainly suggests it should be, but this is a no-brainer for keeping with THAT many sources showing sustained news coverage over literally decades, including 6 articles filed today alone. Absurdum4242 (talk) 19:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Frank Dangeard

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Refs are WP:SPS sources, profiles, PR. Fails WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 21:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete per nom. Also, this page has zero references independent of the subject. The subject is described as a “business personality,” which appears to be a literal translation from a French idiom. There is no allegation of notability of any kind. Much of the page isn’t even sourced to anything. The creator is an SPA who has only edited or created articles about Parisienne subjects. I found that this is “A user with 806 edits. Account created on March 26, 2024.” This combination of facts makes it highly likely that, at least, the creator personally knows the subject, or possibly was paid by the same. Bearian (talk) 18:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Peter J. Levesque

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No indication of significance. References are PR, profiles, appointment news and non-salient coverage. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. UPE. scope_creep^Talk 22:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: I don't find coverage about this person, Gnews has only PR items. He wrote a book "he Shipping Point: The Rise of China and The Future of Retail Supply Chain..." but I don't find any reviews. These appear to be republished articles [1], [2]. I don't see AUTHOR or business person notability. Oaktree b (talk) 01:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete for lack of significant coverage. All of the references cited are literally one page each. That’s fleeting, not significant. To be notable, an author needs articles about him and reviews of his books, not just the book itself. We are not a gazette of every business person and/or book author. It’s 2024, and while our readers might not know all of our policies, everyone knows that we don’t have an article about everyone ever mentioned in a newspaper. Bearian (talk) 18:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

2019 African Entertainment Awards USA

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Sensational and routine coverages. Fails the inclusion criteria for events. Best, Reading Beans 00:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

I am bundling these two here per my nomination statement.

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SNVRK

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN. Promotional article written to game Wikipedia, see Draft:SNVRKOTICS. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:21, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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I tried to keep it completely nuetral? Could you explain what you think the issue is? AWGENIZATION (talk) 18:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Speedy delete as hoax, fails WP:MUSICBIO, and claims of charting are clearly fake. Nothing about him online apart from that single blog post cited, the rest is social media. Wikishovel (talk) 18:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
All the features are verifiable? Can you give advice on what sources can be added? The notability factor is present. AWGENIZATION (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I removed the apparent fake charting claims you mentioned. AWGENIZATION (talk) 19:12, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

You've just posted VNSNVRKY, a badly done hoax edit of Die Lit. All fake. Like this article. Wikishovel (talk) 19:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

How should we rewrite the article then? The album exists. It's not a hoax AWGENIZATION (talk) 19:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Also, SNVRK had ties to Carti's Opium label in the past. He is signed to AWGE. I didn't know you can't copy the same format. AWGENIZATION (talk) 19:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Just deleted most of the VNSNVRKY article until we can fix it AWGENIZATION (talk) 19:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

The one source link in VNSNVRKY that worked resolved to an article about Playboy Carti. The album is clearly a hoax; the artist is starting to look like one also, based on the faked sources. I've taken administrative action to delete the album's article and reserve my right to act administratively on the others. —C.Fred (talk) 19:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Just added more sources on all the pages AWGENIZATION (talk) 19:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete. The sources do resolve to somewhere; I can do enough verification to say this isn't an outright hoax. However, they appear to be to blogs and other sources that fall short of WP:RS. Further, as noted, the artist is not notable per the specific notability criteria for musicians. —C.Fred (talk) 19:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I merged the label page into SNVRK, do you think I just need better sources? AWGENIZATION (talk) 19:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I just added way more AWGENIZATION (talk) 20:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
@AWGENIZATION I just removed what you added because it failed verification. There was no mention of the label at the link you provided. —C.Fred (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Is the main page ok now? AWGENIZATION (talk) 20:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I'm willing to wait until we can get more coverage to get a page for SNVRKOTICS. The SNVRk page should be ok for now? AWGENIZATION (talk) 20:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete There's nothing here that supports a claim of notability, nor could I find anything in a Google search. Alansohn (talk) 20:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete: Nothing's charted, and he released a song 4 days ago? Literally zero coverage about this person, appears to be an attempt at PROMO. At least let the ink dry on the CD's before you give yourself a wiki article... Oaktree b (talk) 00:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Comment: Has even less coverage than our Young Jimmy friend [3], who has very minimal coverage, but still a long way from notability for both. Oaktree b (talk) 00:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete - Maybe not a hoax but definitely exaggerated and self-promotional. He has a few songs on the typical self-upload and social media sites, but so do a billion other unknown rappers. This is an encyclopedia for those who have earned in-depth coverage, not a promotional site for amateurs who got started in their bedrooms yesterday. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Ah! @Doomsdayer520, the "bedroom" was so so underrating! Hahaha! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Flagon and Trencher

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources, only mentions and brief descriptions (for example, on ProQuest). toweli (talk) 14:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep. Found some pieces that document the activity of the organization. Take a look [4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]. Piscili (talk) 14:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Those don't provide significant coverage and/or aren't reliable sources. toweli (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Flash Element TD

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Fails to meet WP:GNG. The largest review I found is still relatively tiny. There is simply insufficient SIGCOV to justify an article at all, with the previous AfD citing mere announcements. What was good enough for 2011 is no longer good enough for 2024. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Comment: The developer of this game is listed as a co-founder of Kixeye. IgelRM (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Ling Racing

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I don't see any pass for this subject on WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. The source for virtually all of this content is stats pages (making most of the narrative original research), and there's no WP:SIGCOV of this racing team that I can find in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:20, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete per nom; I searched and couldn't find significant coverage for this article subject. Best available is this which only contains a photo caption passing mention of Ling Racing. Left guide (talk) 08:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

2019 New York City helicopter crash

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Non notable run of the mill incident. Singular fatality and little to no notable damage to Axa Equitable Center. Even if a final report turns out of this and a major issue is found, this would most likely wrap into a seperate article. Lolzer3k 18:11, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete, fails WP:NOTNEWS with no sustained coverage of the incident. Let me know if someone finds a suitable redirect target or more recent coverage. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete. Unremarkable crash with small toll. The incident is covered in East 34th Street Heliport#Accidents and incidents. WWGB (talk) 01:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete – Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:EVENTCRIT: There is a lack sustained continued coverage following the accident, with a lack of in-depth coverage and secondary sourcing, which would require analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete. All the sources are WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from immediately after the crash, and the topic fails WP:SUSTAINED per the above commenters. Epicgenius (talk) 13:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete per nom and @Aviationwikiflight. Tragic but WP:ROTM GA accident that attracted abundant short-term media attention simply because it happened in NYC, but clearly has not generated WP:SUSTAINED coverage. If the accident involved any significant airworthiness issue with the A109, it would have been reported before now. Carguychris (talk) 17:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete Minor accident that recived coverage only immediatly after it, and it didn't had any notable consequence. SignorPignolini (talk) 19:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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New Federalism

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This article seems to be almost entirely WP:OR about a term so rarely used that it appears to have meant something different every time it was used, with no discernible concept behind it. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 17:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep: New Federalism is not a rarely used term, appearing in American history and government textbooks (e.g. "We The People" from McGraw Hill). Should the page be rewritten? Maybe. Deleted? No. Pie GGuy (talk) 04:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Then could you please rewrite the article, citing this textbook and other reliable sources if you think the page is worth something? Because otherwise there is no point in keeping it in its current (miserable) shape really. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 10:40, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep per User:Pie GGuy. Bettering the Wiki (talk) 08:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Redirect to Wiktionary This is a very poor and rambling essay filled with unfocused detours and things that ended up having absolutely no force (45's executive order is the equivalent of WP:IDONTLIKEIT in presidential form and had no true force of law). More appropriate as a dic-def than an article. Nate • (chatter) 16:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete per WP:TNT this page contains too many problems to be salvaged, specifically WP:OR and terrible referencing. It's not possible to establish how much of what is currently on the page is the personal opinion of a main editor and how much can be justified from the sources. Let's just delete and hope someone else can have a better stab at writing a good quality page. JMWt (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Hindu University of America

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This institution is unaccredited, and SCHOOLOUTCOMES#2 cannot apply. Thus, it needs to pass the stringent WP:NORG, which it does not — there is no significant coverage of the subject in multiple reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. TrangaBellam (talk) 21:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: Per nomination. Doesn't meet notability, fails WP:SIGCOV. Ratekreel (talk) 23:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete. Page does not satisfy the notability guidelines for organization. Poor sources on the page with no significant coverage. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. RangersRus (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep. I've expanded the article by adding several references, including to a fairly in-depth profile in the Orlando Sentinel, and to a book by a sociologist who describes the emergence of the university and calls it a "milestone". Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found. One of the primary purposes of notability guidelines is to ensure that there is sufficient material to create an informative article, and there is clearly enough published material on this university (even though one might wish for more so that an even meatier article would be possible). For further expansion, there just needs to be effort put in to tap that material and integrate it into the article. --Presearch (talk) 23:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Have you noted that this "fairly in-depth profile" has no author? So, no — an advertorial (churnalism) in a local newspaper does NOT add toward notability.

Notability is arguably established, and even if it isn't, more references with nontrivial material can be found This article is at AfD because I (and others) believe that notability is not established and I am happy to see you accept that. Regrettably, we cannot speculate about sourcing esp. that we are discussing an organization in USA and not, say, Sudan! Further, WP:NEXIST cautions, However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface.

It's not my case that no sources exist — 1 and 2 from among the very few hits in Newspapers.com — but that they are trivial and/or they are routine run-of-the-mill coverage. TrangaBellam (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I've added several more sources, all with named authors, and arguably all from reliable sources. All of these provide "more than a trivial mention," and in some cases the university was indeed "the main topic of the source material", so each of these arguably contributes "significant coverage" for meeting general notability (WP:GNG)

Regarding the Orlando Sentinel article, that may now be moot, but it's worth noting that the newspaper is reputable, and the userfied (non-Wikipedia) essay on "churnalism" acknowledges that "If a reliable source decides to fact check a press release and write a story about it, it then meets the definition of coming from a reliable source" - that raises the question of whether an absence of named author is enough grounds to treat this article as unreliable when it's from an otherwise reputable source (have you found any duplicate versions of the same material on numerous sites?). (By the way, friend, I suspect you know that a statement that something "is arguably established" is different than stating that it is "not established") --Presearch (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]
"News India Times" is not even a RS in all probabilities. And, a couple of articles in India Abroad — a now-defunct publication aimed exclusively at the Indian diaspora with a peak circulation of ~ thirty thousand — do not make the entity wiki-notable; if anything, such meager coverage in such a niche publication only goes to demonstrate the non-notability.

Further, NCORP has a higher standard for sources to contribute toward notability. This is due to the levels of (undisclosed; see WP:TOI) paid-coverage frequently engaged in by business entities. So, we look for sources that do not mechanically reproduce what the organization says and show some critical engagement. TrangaBellam (talk) 05:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Leaning keep. I get 290 hits on Newspapers.com, including the fairly substantial Mark I. Pinsky, "School of Thought: Hindu University begins journey in teaching... with a degree of karma", The Hilton Head Island Packet (July 3, 2004), p. 1-C, 3-C, and Amy Limbert, "Kuldip Gupta, 66, helped found, lead Hindu University of America", The Orlando Sentinel (February 9, 2007), p. B6. Also, "Hinduism: Studying the ancients", The Atlanta Constitution (September 28, 1996), p. G4; "Beavercreek: Online Hindu classes", Dayton Daily News (January 9, 2021), p. B3. BD2412 T 01:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Trouble Sleeping (film)

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Article about a film of unclear release status, not adequately sourced as the subject of sufficient reliable source coverage to exempt it from the primary notability criteria at WP:NFILM.
This has gone through multiple cycles of "is it released or not?" in the past decade; it was claimed as "upcoming" when the article was created in 2015, then was edited in 2017 to claim that it had been released in 2015, and then got edited again in 2020 to indicate that it was still unreleased -- meanwhile, IMDb claims it was released in 2018, which has proven entirely unverifiable, while this piece in Screen Anarchy claims it was "long-hibernating" when it was "finally released" in 2022, but even that piece is just a short blurb wrapping a YouTube promo clip, not substantive or GNG-building coverage about the film.
As always, however, films are not all "inherently" notable just because they exist, and have to show passage of WP:GNG on coverage about them -- but three of the five footnotes here are unreliable junk that isn't helping to build GNG at all, the two acceptable sources (Dread Central and The Wrap) both have to be discounted if the film didn't come out in 2015 as they claimed it was supposed to, and that Screen Anarchy blurb is the only new thing that's been published in any GNG-worthy reliable source since 2015 at all, which means even the best sources here aren't good enough if they're all either short blurbs or inaccurate problems.
Especially given that there are such unresolved questions about when this was ever actually released in the first place, there's just nothing here of enough enduring significance to exempt it from having to have much, much better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 21:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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~~Merge with~~ ~~Robert Adetuyi#Career: where it is simply mentioned, and merge content about genre (+simplified plot), cast, date, etc; and sources. Not opposed to~~ Keep, given the existing coverage (and the film seems to have been released; review.) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 06:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC) and in light of the reviews identified by Donaldd23, at least. (The 3 reviews show the film was released in 2022 and is therefore considered a 2022 film). Thanks-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep, in addition to the review listed above my Mushy Yank, there are these reviews [12] and [13] . And the question of it being released or not is answered by the fact it is streaming on Tubi [14] DonaldD23 talk to me 13:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Neither "Heyuguys" nor "This Is Film" are reliable sources of GNG-building film reviews at all — film reviews have to come from reputable and established publications to build a film's notability, not just any random WordPress blogger that you can find on the internet. And while AIPT is better, it isn't enough to vault a film over GNG all by itself if it's the only GNG-worthy review that can be found. And I didn't question that the film has been released, but we've got three conflicting claims about when it was released with no fully satisfactory resolution to the matter of whether it belongs in Category:2015 films, Category:2018 films or Category:2022 films — of which it must be in one of those three, with absolutely no leeway for any "then just don't categorize it for year of release at all" opt-outs, so we can't just handwave that away as a non-issue. "Has been released" is not an instant notability freebie at WP:NFILM in and of itself — even a film that has been released still has to pass GNG on proper reliable source coverage about it, and can't park its notability on blogs or primary sources just because it's available for streaming somewhere. Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger

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I did a WP:BEFORE and found only one source of info, which is listed in the article, [15], and also an interview. The other sources in the article are either WP:PRIMARY, WP:ROUTINE press releases, an Instagram post, or IMDb. Therefore, it does not pass WP:GNG. Conyo14 (talk) 04:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Urbina, Rafael (2024-01-11). "How to Watch The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger: Stream Series Premiere Live, TV Channel". Sports Illustrated. Archived from the original on 2024-02-05. Retrieved 2024-09-24.
  The article provides 239 words of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger is set to make its series premiere on Thursday night on INSP, with the series showing tales from the Western frontier which were inspired by the adventures of the famed mountain man Jim Bridger. As Bridger guides a new wave of Americans heading west, he must help them survive the same life-and-death situations that made him a legend. The series started with the debut episode titled "The Prizefighter," and it tells the story of when Bridger's second-in-command begins enforcing camp discipline with brutal violence."
2. Leydon, Joe (2024-01-11). "C&I Q&A: Rib Hillis of The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger". Cowboys & Indians. Archived from the original on 2024-09-24. Retrieved 2024-09-24.
  The article provides 142 words of non-interview coverage about the subject. The article notes: "It’s a long way from the fashion capitals of Europe to the frontiers of Montana, but Rib Hillis has made the transition smoothly and authoritatively to play the title role in The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger, the new series premiering Thursday on INSP. ... With Tall Tales of Jim Bridger, the multitalented New York native gets his big chance to display his versatility by persuasively portraying the legendary 19th-century mountain man and frontiersman who explored the entire distant West and survived countless hair-raising adventures, and became an invaluable guide for settlers in search of new homes and lives for themselves. Of course, as the title indicates, the real Jim Bridger was known to, shall we say, exaggerate his resume. The series acknowledges his status as a not-always-reliable narrator, but shrewdly invokes dramatic license now and then to amp the entertainment value."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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I suppose I disagree with this assessment, mainly that they are partial coverage and not significant. The first source is primarily a press release, while the second lacks the in-depth coverage. But we both find a different interpretation of that and I can accept that. Conyo14 (talk) 11:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

@Cunard: As a publisher, post-2019 Sports Illustrated (SI) is questionable for various reasons. I learned most of this from a recent discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/References (which you may find helpful), and a trip down the RSN archives is also very illuminating. If you can prove that the author of that piece is a real human with respected credentials and reputation in this topic area, then that might be sufficient for establishing reliability akin to how WP:EXPERTSPS works. Left guide (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep. The sources presented by Cunard are convincing and I agree with Cunard's assessment. Also, a redirect being warranted, I am opposed to deletion of this article. Thanks, Cunard.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Redirect I'm not entirely convinced the sources really represent significant independent coverage when the Sports Illustrated reads like an advertisement and the Cowboys & Indians piece is an interview with the actor. I do not think that a preamble introductory explanation of the subject really makes it independent of the interview, when the interview is the headline. That said, if the sources are deemed inadequate to keep the article, it could probably reduced to a section in Jim Bridger until/if more reliable sources are located--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 02:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Note to the closer, I am also in favor of an WP:ATD as a redirect/merge. Conyo14 (talk) 19:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Guy Finley

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There is no significant coverage of Guy Finley, his work or his teachings in reliable secondary sources. Most of it is blog posts and primary sources. A 2007 discussion ended with a Keep result, but the votes all relied on notability determined by Google hits, a Google featured link and Amazon sales rankings. These are outdated standards. Ynsfial (talk) 17:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: This is a great example of a clear WP:NBIO fail. None of the sources are reliable as they are blogs, and I couldn't find any other coverage of this specific Guy Finley (there were other hits but nothing of interest). Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[]

!vote I think most musicians deserve a chance Natlaur (talk) 23:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Participatory Culture Foundation

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While there's some coverage in connection with their powering of AO3, it's not ORG level and I don't see where it merits mention at Archive of Our Own since the one source isn't great. Opted against PROD due to its tenure, but this is a borderline A7 with no sourcing found to improve it. Star Mississippi 18:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep per WP:GNG and WP:HEY. Found lots of coverage via ProQuest (New Scientist, The Village Voice, New York Times, etc.). Started adding to the article which was in poor shape, was definitely worth fixing, and could still use further improvement. @Star Mississippi: Let me know if that's enough for now but anyway ProQuest is the place to look. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Lincoln cent mintage figures

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No evidence of any notability for this WP:NOTSTATS list, fails WP:LISTN. Fram (talk) 08:35, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Also nominated:

Merge with United States cent mintage figures as a WP:ATD. If that page is also non-notable it should be added to the deletion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[]
@Zxcvbnm: Do you wish to amend your !vote, now that the target has been added to the nomination? Otherwise, this AfD could be procedurally closed with no action due to the improper mid-process scope expansion. Owen× ☎ 12:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]
"improper mid-process" as in after just 5 hours in a 1-week process, and after the only two responders explicitly asked to include it? Fram (talk) 12:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I don't see where Zxcvbnm agreed to this inclusion. Once he does, there's no problem. Until then, yes, this is an improper mid-process scope expansion, even if it was one minute after he !voted here. You've been an admin, you know how this works. Owen× ☎ 13:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]
"If that page is also non-notable it should be added to the deletion." You are an admin, you should know how to read. Or to keep such personal remarks which add nothing to the discussion out of it, as they are obviously not helpful. Fram (talk) 13:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Sorry for sparking the confusion/argument, but I agree with Fram's addition of the parent list. Both fail WP:NOTSTATS, as said in the nomination. Every single "mintage figure" list is clearly just a database and I see no evidence presented that they are independently notable, I was leaving it open for someone to potentially present that evidence. I'm not sure I'd agree it's "improper" since nobody else actually registered their opinion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Thank you. Glad we cleared this up. Owen× ☎ 14:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

As the creator, it should be noted that I split this article off from United States cent mintage figures per WP:SIZESPLIT. I have no preference for deleting or keeping the article, so long as the same is done to United States cent mintage figures. However, I am opposed to merging it back into the parent article. - ZLEA _T\^C 12:32, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Okay, I've added United States cent mintage figures to the nomination! Fram (talk) 13:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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List of North American regions by life expectancy

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Prod contested. List is original research and synthesis - extracted data in form not present in secondary, reliable sources. Fails WP:NLIST. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 02:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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I've stated my point of view at the article's talk page. Though the data in the source database were filtered and simple calculations were made, these transformations are obvious and easily verified. All data in the Wikipedia's page are in the source database or can be easily obtained by an obvious mathematical operation.

It's like retelling a text in your own words. When a Wikipedia editor retells a text, he does not retell the whole text but only a part of it. The same way, a Wikipedia editor has not obligation to use necessarily all records in an original dataset - only a part of it can be used. — Lady3mlnm (talk) 07:03, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete Don't see any need for this type of list . Agletarang (talk) 12:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Not delete by according to my arguments on the article's talk page. Рулин (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete per WP:NLIST. What an odd page. APK hi :-) (talk) 04:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep At the request of Liz, this is summary of what I've written above and at the article's talk page.

This is a stand-alone list based on an authoritative reliable secondary source (that we can assume itself based on set of independent reliable sources), which has significant coverage and independent of the subject. Source of information is given and data can be verified. Filtering of records based on obvious criteria, routine calculations, and sorting based on indicated logical principle can't be considered as original research. Users are free to apply their own sorting by the table tool. There is also no contradiction with WP:NOT. So though the article is not great, I don't see enough reasons for deletion.

The list contains evaluation of life expectancy in regions of many countries that doesn't have their separate pages about this topic. The principle of region comparison is not an original research by itself, but presentation of data, within the framework of the encyclopedia tools, that allows people to do their own independent conclusion. So I consider the article as valuable page of Wikipedia. — Lady3mlnm (talk) 10:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Comment There's a confusion here between WP:SECONDARY and WP:PRIMARY sources. The material that the article is based upon is not a secondary source, it is a database (Global Data Lab). That database offers no: analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources (WP:SECONDARY). Notability of all articles is dependent on the existence of secondary sourcing. The author of the article has extracted information from the database to create the article, hence original research. There is no indication that the database in and of itself is notable. There is no secondary sourcing which compares the subnational administrative units of North America by life expectancy. I did request for secondary sources to be added which would satisfy WP:NLIST, but none were identified. I did find a source which compares subnational units of the USA and Canada (Demography: Analysis and Synthesis, Four Volume Set: A Treatise in Population p.210), but could find nothing else. FWIW, previous consensus has been to delete these list types of subnational unit articles in the absence of specific sourcing satisfying NLIST: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of first-level administrative divisions by country. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Abdullah Hashem

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BLP of the founder of a religious sect. The sect itself appears to be notable but it does not seem that the leader himself is. I think a redirect to Ahmadi Religion of Peace and Light would probably be best. Mccapra (talk) 22:12, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep Google searches easily turn up hundreds of high-profile mentions. There are articles from Amnesty International, the UN, and various governments, and dozens of major newspapers that all mention him. Easily meets WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV criteria. For sects with that many media mentions, their founders and leaders would usually also be notable enough. There is also plenty of information about Hashem that would fit well into a standalone article. DjembeDrums (talk) 17:46, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[]

ok which three of these do you think provide the best in-depth coverage? Mccapra (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Merge Article only cited one source almost which shows they still need to meet WP:GNG to stand alone Tesleemah (talk) 20:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Jason Emer

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1. It was moved from draft space to article space before it was reviewed and made live by the creator of the page

2. It was moved to draft space by other editors due to promotional tone, it seemed as it was written by someone closely connected to the subject

3. It was proposed for deletion and the final decision was to keep. However, the keep voters: 1 was a new account created just for this debate only (seems like it and it was an open IP, one was an editor banned for sock-puppetry)

4. There is someone constantly removing a section that is a bit negative about the subject

All this makes me believe that this page is being managed by someone closely connected to the subject. Additionally, i don't believe the subject is notable and most of the references are PRs and he is constantly self-promoting on the internet. WikiProCreate (talk) 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: Appears to be a celebrity plastic surgeon [16], [17], [18]. I'm not sure any of these show notability. Discussion in AfD last time was also questioning the Academic notability, noting that 1000 citations was rather low for his field. I don't see that much has changed since the last AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Comment: He's been investigated by a few regulatory bodies [19], which doesn't affect notability. This information has been added/removed, suggesting this page is being actively curated by editors, likely for promo purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Diablo (upcoming film)

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Unreleased film, not expected to release until 2025. Does not meet WP:NFF or WP:SIGCOV, and won't until release. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:57, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete. It should be created on release day. AutorisedUser673 (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

If that is a joke, that’s funny. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep: Filming complete; reliable sources cover production with significant information allowing to build and expand so that the page can be retained and wait for reviews that will come probably around the time of the expected release. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Comment - why does it matter that "filming is complete" - the film is not being released until 2025. WP:NFF is clear: Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines. There is nothing notable about the production itself, and the film has not yet been released, so... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 21:18, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Well, it does matter whether filming has started (or, for that matter, is complete) or not, for obvious reasons and for policy-based reasons. As for the rest, I beg to differ. We have reliable media outlets offering significant coverage about cast, plot, production, etc, so I will stand by my Keep. NFF is clear, yes, maybe, and production seems notable enough per the guidelines. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep Standard to have articles once films have begun filming.★Trekker (talk) 23:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep per WP:NFF statement above. Filming has begun and as Deadline Hollywood has reported, the filming has wrapped. That said, most citations about the filming and completion were not stated by their said sources in the article and were really mangled. I've adjusted them now. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Reminder that "filming complete" is the requirement for films that don't have independently notable production, and doesn't in itself mean that we need a standalone article on the film yet. Are there reasons to keep beyond "meets the bare minimum"?
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I am confused. The general requirement for films that don't have independently notable production (ie films meeting NFF), is that filming has begun, not the wrapping of filming (which implies it has started, obviously). Or did you mean something else? As for "meets the bare minimum", well, I am not sure this is strictly the case, but if it is, then, what's the issue? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

The state of filming is unimportant (and I'm not sure why it's included in the NFF statement Additionally, films that have already begun shooting, but have not yet been publicly released (theatres or video), should generally not have their own articles unless the production itself is notable per the notability guidelines.) - it's clearly just confusing. The important detail is that absent the production somehow being significant, the film a) needs to have been released, and b) otherwise satisfies WP:N via WP:SIGCOV in independent WP:RS. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

??????? Then change the guideline. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Black Economic Alliance

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This group received some coverage when it first launched in 2018, but that's mainly a function of having a good publicist. Since 2018, they've received very little in-depth coverage. There's some in-depth coverage of its leadership, but most articles I could find only mention BEA in passing. An editor removed my PROD on this article because they found a "recent NYT article that refers to organization's recent activity," which they said "addresses the issue" I had. There's only one problem: the NYT article in question is about Wes Moore, and there is exactly 1 sentence about BEA. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 16:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete. Fails the WP:N test of WP:SUSTAINED with a few stories upon launch and no WP:SIGCOV since. Subsequent coverage is limited to WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. It should go without saying that this organization cannot inherit notability from its members. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Not eligible for soft deletion.
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S. J. Dahlstrom

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Not notable writer, doesn't pass WP ANYbio and other guidelines. J. P. Fridrich (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Comment. I created the article because I believe the subject passes WP:NAUTHOR due to the awards. Also worth saying is that the nominator of this discussion only had 11 edits before nominating this article, all of them made on a single day in 2022. Badbluebus (talk) 16:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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The Monument Mythos

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Appears to fail notability guidelines. Most of the article’s sources are student newspapers by the author’s own description. Could not find reliable significant coverage in my search. Has been previously deleted. StewdioMACK (talk) 09:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Has been previously deleted.... when? Has been previously kept....Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:The_Monument_Mythos... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:21, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]

It was kept as a draft. It was nominated for deletion as a draft by a non-good-faith actor. But that is not evidence that there was a consensus that the subject is notable after someone challenged its notability. Drafts are not deleted for lack of notability so a draft being kept does not mean that editors thought that the subject is notable. —Alalch E. 15:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Sure, maybe, but the page was discussed and the then-draft found promising by some users, whereas deletion was NOT discussed, so that stating ’has been previously deleted’ here (an AfD venue, where consensus is what matters) is misleading imv. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]

I agree that's is misleading. The decision to keep the draft does not matter at all in either direction. —Alalch E. 22:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Oh, right. The MfD. yikes. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(No Life 'Til Leather)} 13:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Nomad Vagabond)} 14:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[]

It would be helpful if, as one of the contributors to the page, you could find time to explain why you think deletion is not necessary. Thank you in advance. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]

@Babysharkboss2 (pinging you to increase chances you read this). Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Oh, yeah. Anyway, this has etiquette enough sources and there are still sources to be added. It survived MfD (Even after one very...passionate user wanted it gone). So i'd like to keep it. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(Nomad Vagabond)} 12:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete: This is about all there is [20] for sourcing and it's not enough. Rest of what's used is marginally reliable sources per Source Highlighter, so not much of anything we can use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep: I am satisfied with the existing coverage, see GNews please. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Note: significant coverage in reliable sources includes Collider (twice) but also The Gamer among other things and I would consider https://fnewsmagazine.com/2022/01/ghosts-in-the-machine-the-star-spangled-monsters-of-mister-manticores-the-monument-mythos/ and the article in the The Signal perfectly acceptable sources too.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:16, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I find F Newsmagazine to be a very good, professional-level, outlet in the areas of culture and critique of visual media. —Alalch E. 14:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete I don't find any substantial, reliable sources for this. Most of what is here are student publications, including F Newsmagazine, which is a student publication of the Arts Institute of Chicago. The coverage in Collider and The Gamer is limited to a few paragraphs in a page with many other entries, and formulaic in style. AKA: promotional. Searching turns up lots of TikTok and other bits, none which have any content about the "show". Lamona (talk) 03:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[]
Sudent or college newspapers, but high-quality (and award-winning, for one of them) reliable ones. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep + add further improvements - shJunpei :3 12:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

This page puts some major parts of the Monument Mythos right into the first segment. There should be an area marked "Plot" for that. - shJunpei :3 12:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep in addition to the sources cited above it's an exemplar of the emerging subgenre of analog horror. The series just wrapped up last year. In "J-HORROR Y ESTÉTICA VHS EN EL ANALOG HORROR DE YOUTUBE" by Javier Acevedo Nieto,[21] The Monument Mythos is given as an example of the growing popularity of analog horror. There are several articles from reliable sources that are admittedly about ARGs, but give The Monument Mythos a key place in the genre.[22] There are some more niche horror publications that give the series more coverage.[23] The article needs to be cleaned up, but the sources are out there. Ted the Caver was an even more niche online horror series, and it is still being seriously discussed, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 04:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Rjjiii, it all depends on the existence of reliable sources that can establish notability. Which ones do you believe provides SIGCOV? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]