Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

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XFD backlog

V	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Total
CfD	0	6	16	75	97
TfD	0	0	1	1	2
MfD	0	0	0	0	0
FfD	0	0	0	0	0
RfD	0	0	9	23	32
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

• If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
• If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
• If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
• Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

• Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
• Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
• Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

• The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
• Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
• If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
• Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
• RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
• Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
• In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes and Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving over a redirect

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

• a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
• if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion § Redirects

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
10. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

STEP I.	Tag the redirect(s).   Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page. Please do not mark the edit as minor (m). Please include in the edit summary the phrase: Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]. Save the page ("Publish changes"). If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page. If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated.
STEP II.	List the entry on RfD.  Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries. Enter this text below the date heading: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~ For this template: Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=. Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=). Please use an edit summary such as: Nominating [[RedirectName]] (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating). To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects: {{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}} {{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~ If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.	Notify users.   It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template {{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~ may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]] Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

• Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list

June 21

Ofcommunist

• Ofcommunist → Ofcom  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No explanation why this redirect should exist. The phrase "Ofcommunist" does not appear in the Ofcom article. Suspect this is a PoV redirect. — Czello ^(music) 19:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Motorscooterxxxedit]

• Motorscooterxxx → Scooter (motorcycle)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible title because of the three x's. Most of the edit history consists of a brief edit war, with the content being virtually identical to a previous version of the article. Note that the redirect itself was moved from the original title "Motorscooter". It seems that the user Scooteristi wanted for the main article to be at that title, and made a rather disruptive copy-paste onto the redirect. The situation here is similar to the "Pkiro Wrokestling" redirect (RfD). Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

D-ringedit]

• D-ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• D ring → Glossary of underwater diving terminology: A–C  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• D Ring → Rings of Saturn#D Ring  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm not convinced that either of these targets (or even Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G) are the primary topic, nor that they should target different articles. The whatlinkshere for D-ring are mostly unrelated to diving and just expect an article about the generic bit of hardware - there is an unsourced stub in the history of that page about that, but I'm not sure what scope there is for expansion? Thryduulf (talk)

• Since there are at least two meanings for "D-ring"/"D ring", make into a disambiguation page, and make the hardware meaning point to a page that is about the correct item. D-rings are generic hardware that are not specific to diving. — The Anome (talk) 14:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Note PamD has retargetted D-ring (but not D ring) to Glossary of underwater diving terminology: D–G. Thryduulf (talk) 14:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, sorry, I did that on noticing that it was clearly wrongly-targetted, but hadn't noticed the other one also wrong (and it's also hard to spot them in the D-G list as they are filed letter-by-letter where I expected word-by-word!) ... then looked further into D-rings and despaired of a sensible solution. The Wiktionary definition is specific to diving, but it appears from googling that "D-ring" is a very widely-used term for, well, literally a D-shaped ring, used in hanging pictures, anchoring webbing, and many other fields. As we don't have a List of useful miscellaneous bits of hardware, it's hard to see where it should go. I've now retargetted D ring so at least it's consistent and makes some sort of sense ... even if possibly wrong.

  Perhaps we need to edit Wiktionary to remove diving's hijacking of a generic term, then we could have a dab page for diving and Saturn, with a Wiktionary link. PamD 16:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Yes, change to a disambiguation page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: None of these terms are clearly the most prevalent, so none should be singled out at the top of the new disambig page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Some of these pages, e.g. D ring binder should be on the new page. (I haven't read the guidelines here, so am not feel qualified make the decision).

• • • All pages with titles containing D ring
    • All pages with titles containing D-ring
    • All pages with titles beginning with D ring
    • All pages with titles beginning with D-ring
  • I suggest all six of these templates be in the See also section on the new page. — Lentower (talk) 15:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Mexican Avocado Disputeedit]

• Mexican Avocado Dispute → Avocado#Avocado-related international trade issues  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

there isn't anything in the article about a dispute and the section to which this links no longer exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment if this deleted, the link at Dispute settlement in the World Trade Organization#See also should be removed. Thryduulf (talk) 10:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The relevant portion of the target was removed in this February 2021 edit by Zefr with the rationale "trim outdated trade issues section", but the follow-up sections (including all the citations) that were present at the time of the redirect creation (this version) had been removed sometime previously. Thryduulf (talk) 10:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Spirituality & Health Magazineedit]

• Spirituality & Health Magazine → American Health (magazine)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No relation to target, not mentioned in target article. Spirituality & Health is a magazine published by Unity Church. Softlavender (talk) 03:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Tristan Tateedit]

• Tristan Tate → Andrew Tate  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete as misleading. This redirect was created a minute after the second deletion discussion closed, first pointing to the whole article and then to a subsection concerning the Romanian case(s), on what seems to me to be the very good reason that they are different people. During the GA drive this change was reverted. As it stands, the references to Tristan are sprinkled throughout the article, so it's hard to pick a single place to point the redirect at; but they are different people, and the current outcome suggests that to the unwary they aren't. Given the AfD outcome, I would suggest that deletion of the redirect and reliance on how search engines actually work is the best resolution of this so that those looking will get a succinct and accurate answer; failing that, the AfD could be reconsidered, or Andrew Tate's article could be so structured as to give a redirect some place to point to. The current arrangement, though, treats him like Zaphod Beeblebrox's second head. Mangoe (talk) 00:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment New RfD's go below the header, not above it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Re-target to Andrew Tate#In Romania: 2022–present per WP:BLP1E, where is he referenced under "Tate brothers" (that can be amended to "Tate and his brother Tristan" for first usage). 1E was the strong argument for deletion of the article second time around, despite not being mentioned in the closing summary, so redirecting to any other part of the article doesn't make sense based on his notability. Additionally, a redirect that is used 20 times a day does appear useful, but being pointed at Andrew Tate directly can be confusing for readers, even if he is mentioned from the lead onwards. I'm not sure why TheMainLogan changed the redirect back in March. I'm otherwise convinced that this redirect existed long before March and that the page history is missing after the 2nd AfD, but could be wrong. Maybe an admin could clarify. CNC (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  I won't even lie, I pointed the redirect at Andrew directly because they're basically the same guy. —theMainLogan (t•c) 15:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete and Restore Tristan Tate Draft I believe the redirect should be deleted, and Tristan Tate is notable enough to have his own page, I suggest the original page be undeleted, and converted into a Draft where further editing can be done to the original page in order to move it into mainspace Mr Vili talk 08:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  While this isn't the place to debate notability (the talk page would be better) the source assessment in the 2nd AfD demonstrated only one article with WP:SIGCOV, hence notability was not proven beyond BLP1E. Since this AfD he is now accused in a second investigation in the UK, but per the closing summary of that AfD, WP:PERP is still an issue here. Even if another draft is worked on, the mainspace article still requires a decision on either deleting, keeping or redirecting. CNC (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Refine to the section per CommunityNotesContributor. This is without prejudice to the former article content being worked on in draft, but unless and until an article is accepted (and such an article would need to demonstrate notability unrelated to the single incident) readers are better served by the redirect pointing to the content in his brother's article. Thryduulf (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

June 20

Gallophone

• Gallophone → Geographical distribution of French speakers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. In the weird position of having a whole lot of online dictionaries claiming it means "French-speaking", starting with wikt:Gallophone, but I can't find a single such usage. Actual usage is rare but seems to be related to Gaul, not France or the French, e.g. Gallocentrism (thought I can't find a single one of its sources to check if they use the word that way). Rusalkii (talk) 22:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried asking wikt:WT:RFV about the Wiktionary entry? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

No, but it does look like the original creator @Thryduulf is an RfD regular, tagging them in to see if they have thoughts. (Sorry for dragging out decades-old pages!) Rusalkii (talk) 07:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

There are five quotations on the Wiktionary entry, all giving examples of use. I don't remember creating that (it was 2010) but the quotes have been there since start. A couple of minutes has found another three uses [1] [2][3] on Google books and it can also be found in our Gallocentrism article . I also came across [4] and [5] which use the word with different meanings (the first possibly related to Galilee, the second is in the context of Welsh so I'd guess from Gaelic).

Additionally, I'm seeing a few sources mentioning a Gallophone Records from the 1930s, with one that is probably not a reliable source, stating that it later became Gallo Records, but even if true this would be a partial title match. Thryduulf (talk) 09:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Rereading the initial post here, it's not unique in having a meaning related to France while being etymologically related to Gaul - wikt:Gallic being the most obvious. Thryduulf (talk) 09:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

JDXedit]

• JDX → KJDX  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Doesn't appear to be the primary topic for "JDX"; quick google gives "JDX Performance Golf Apparel", "Job Builder JDX", "Jobs and Employment Data Exchange", a racing company, an instagram artist, guitar amplifier, etc. I can't even find the radio station. Hard to create a disambig page because none of these don't have wikipedia pages. Rusalkii (talk) 22:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per nom. BD2412 T 19:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

French-speakers outside of Quebecedit]

• French-speakers outside of Quebec → Francophone Canadians  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 24 § French-speakers outside of Quebec – no consensus

The redirect has a different target than it had during the RFD in 2019, but still has the same problem: The redirect is not exclusive to Canada as there are French speakers around the world, like in ... France and Louisiana, neither part of Canada. Steel1943 (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

In Canadian French, "Francophones hors Québec" refers specifically to French speakers that live in a Canadian province or territory that is not Quebec.[6] It does not apply to those living in other countries. That being said, this is en.wiki, and I don't know if English-language sources use "French-speakers outside of Quebec" in this sense. 162 etc. (talk) 19:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. While the expression can be found in English-language Canadian publications, where the context makes the "elsewhere in Canada" meaning clear, it does not make much sense without that context, nor does it appear to be a widely used set expression that people might search for or link to. Indeed, there are no incoming links to this redirect. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment it can be displaced/recreated to French-speakers outside of Quebec in Canada or French-speakers outside of Quebec (Canada) or Canadian French-speakers outside of Quebec -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion thus far has a consensus to delete, but a relist seems appropriate given the prior discussion and minimal participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Bible Videosedit]

• Bible Videos → List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos doesn't seem like the appropriate target for such a broadly-named redirect. ~Awilley (talk) 04:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: when you search "Bible Videos" in Wikipedia the first entry was the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints article, the other article that would make sense under this redirect was BibleProject, but this is an organization, and yes they make Bible videos too but they are less popular than the Church makes and they separate them as "Old Testament" and "New Testament", and not "Bible Videos", in their YouTube channel description, they dont say they make "Bible Videos", but "free resources to help you experience the Bible". Furawi (talk) 05:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak retarget - The sole source for the List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos section refers to the videos as "Life of Jesus Christ Bible Videos". Bible Videos in my view should redirect to Christian media#Film and television, which is the closest generalised topic I could find, but I don't feel too strongly either way. BugGhost🪲👻 09:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  After reading the below replies I think Thryduulf's 2nd suggestion of "make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos" is the best option. BugGhost🪲👻 09:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep but add a hatnote. I was very surprised to find that the current target is the clear primary topic when googling for "Bible Vidoes" -Wikipedia but it is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Having thought some more about this, I think my preference would be to make Bible videos a disambiguation page that includes List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos, The Bible in film, List of films based on the Bible, and similar articles, and then point Bible Videos to Bible videos. It simply doesn't seem right to me to imply that the LDS Church has a monopoly on producing bible videos, and I think the redirect would surprise any readers who happen to follow it. My second preference would be to retarget Bible Videos to List of films based on the Bible which could include a link to List of films of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints#Bible Videos.
  @Thryduulf: I too am surprised to see the LDS Church's webpage as the #1 result for a Google search for "bible videos" but I think we can do better than following Google's blind algorithm. ~Awilley (talk) 15:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per above. The LDS have apparently done some really effective SEO here, but speaking as a former Christian, I'm pretty darn sure that "bible videos" is a generic term for any Christian or other religious media that tries to depict a story from the bible, or is a video taped sermon/lecture/bible study. Fieari (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

disambiguate. keeping would feel like if "music video" redirected to iosys, or if "fast food" redirected to mcdonald's. there's really no point in redirecting a basic concept like this to a single entity cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 02:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Dabify as per Thryduulf. While it's true that Google points to the LDS as "primary", that's something I find baffling-- Surely at the very least Veggietales or The Prince of Egypt or any number of other mainstream, more-generally-Christian videos and films would be primary over the Mormon videos. The lists Thryduulf grabbed have links to those films and more. Good work! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment - Honestly, given the capitalization, a good argument can be made to keep the current target. If Bible videos existed, I might suggest Christian media#Media formats as the best target I could find. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 06:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

2025 United Kingdom general electionedit]

• 2025 United Kingdom general election → 2024 United Kingdom general election  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect was originally set up as a redirect to Next United Kingdom general election at a time when it could have been held in either 2024 or 2025. Now that it has been announced that the next election will be held in 2024 and with the United Kingdom having five year terms, it is very unlikely there will be a 2025 election. Propose deleting. Broanetar (talk) 04:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete as per nom. 2025 is not 2024. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nomination. Wikishovel (talk) 08:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century. There was much speculation in reliable sources that the election would be in 2025, so it's not an implausible search term. However there isn't any real discussion of this in the article so that isn't a good target. If we take people to the list of elections then they can find whichever one it is that they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 09:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per Thryduulf. Cremastra (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget agree with Thryduulf, not unreasonable to assume people will search for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwinnspeed (talk • contribs) 06:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per Thryduulf, deleting it doesn't really make sense, anyone ending up there either made a typo or is looking for the 2024 general election. AlexandraAVX (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. The current target discusses that the date was potentially to be in 2025. Oppose retarget to List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century, that list does not contain any information about a 2025 general election. Is there any actual confusion with another election? The table ends at 2024... -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Keep, for now - there's been headlines that mention a 2025 UK election, such as: [7], [8], [9], but they are all referencing same topic of the 2024 election, just with a different/questioning date of it arriving. It's reasonable to think there are people who believe it's happening in 2025. After the election has happened, I would fully support deleting the redirect but for now while there's still potential confusion, the redirect should stay. Agreeing with Tavix re: the List of United Kingdom general elections#21st century redirect, it's unlikely the searcher wants information about any other election. BugGhost🪲👻 09:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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American Evacuation Dayedit]

• American Evacuation Day → Public holidays in Libya  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target article. Only appears in the article for June 11 which is not a date listed anywhere in the target article. DrowssapSMM 20:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• I created this redirect as a replacement for the piped link [[Public holidays in Libya|American Evacuation Day]] in June 11.However, if there's no evidence that this day exists as a public holiday, I'm happy for it to be deleted. (And if so, the link in July 11 should be removed too.) Colonies Chris (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment there are lots of sites that list "American Evacuation Day" as a public holiday on 11 June, but nothing that stands out as definitely reliable and independent of Wikipedia. This Indian Express article could be used to verify that it is (or at least was) a public holiday but doesn't give a date. It isn't listed at [10] but it's unclear whether that is a complete list or just ones of relevance to the Aviation authority. Thryduulf (talk) 21:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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The Stand Offedit]

• The Stand Off → Lists of Netflix original films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Stand Off (film) → Lists of Netflix original films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is not mentioned in the target article. Third party searches are not really helping matters to identify what subject these redirects are meant to refer either. On one hand, searching "The Stand Off Netflix" on some third party search engines returns results for miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse; however, I was not able to find any information stating that miniseries was known previously as "The Stand Off". In addition, there is also the subject at Standoff (film), made in 2016 ... but, there is also a different film which we apparently do not have an article for, which was also made in 2016, called "The Standoff" [11] starring Olivia Holt. Probably best to delete these unless a strong connection can be made between these redirects and at least one of the aforementioned subjects (or one that has yet to be created.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Upon further research, seems the subject of these redirects is not the miniseries Waco: American Apocalypse. According to an article written a few years back [12], apparently, the subject is about a screenplay (probably intended to become a film) written by Mark Heyman, but in that article, there is no mention of a subject by the name of the nominated redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak retarget to the dab at Standoff where two films are listed. "Stand off" is obviously a very plausible search term for most things listed at the dab page, "Stand Off" equally so for at least the media productions and the Canadian community. Similarly "The Stand Off" and "The Standoff" are both completely plausible search terms for the other, but what about for things without the definite article? My gut feeling is that it's not impossible for someone to misremember the name of the media productions, but I'm not familiar with any of them hence the "weak". Thryduulf (talk) 22:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hearst Entertainmentedit]

• Hearst Entertainment → Hearst Communications  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target article. The only exception to the further existence of this title is with Hearst Television, which owns broadcast stations and a media production company. Intrisit (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

SportAccordedit]

• SportAccord → Global Association of International Sports Federations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Removal/deletion of current redirect as it creates misleading impression. The redirect page reflects the name of a separate organization with its own initiatives whereas the target page reflects another organization that is now dissolved. In the current target page there's even a proposal on the Talk page from someone addressing this confusion. There should be a separate page and information about the redirect page of SportAccord JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hard to say, maybe we can just rename that GAISF article again to be SportAccord? Notified both WP:SPORTS and WP:Switzerland. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

It is hard, indeed. But I feel there would be value to having a separate SportAccord page as these are entirely different entities and it's tricky to combine them into one article efficiently as they have different structures, activities, missions. JennyAnderson 2 (talk) 09:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

June 19

EarthBound 3

• EarthBound 3 → Mother 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"earthbound" is mother 2, with mother being referred to as "earthbound beginnings" when it finally got officially released outside of japan. some fans used to refer to mother as "earthbound zero" before. in any possible case that doesn't involve not knowing that the franchise has a different name in japan or being from an alternate timeline where mother was released internationally with its intended international name (earth bound), mother 3 would be earthbound 2 cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep. By your own logic, this redirect should point towards Mother 4, a game that does not exist. We have a page titled Mother 4, but it is a redirect towards Earthbound fandom#Fangames, which talks about two fan-projects that took the name 'Mother 4', neither of which have released. In any case, if someone searches for 'Earthbound 3', I would assume first that they were looking for Mother 3 (and had forgotten that the franchise has a different name (edit: AND numbering schema 19:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)) in Japan), over assuming they were looking for a fan-project that never released. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep While it is true that if localized, Mother 3 will probably be called Earthbound 2, it is an easy error for fans to make and therefore a believable search target. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - agree with the above BugGhost🪲👻 16:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - The chain of thought is easy to follow. I want Mother 3. The Mother series is EarthBound in the west. Thus, I should search for EarthBound 3. This is the best target. Fieari (talk) 04:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Anabaptist Healthshareedit]

• Anabaptist Healthshare → Health care sharing ministry  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Singular mention of this organization that this redirect was intended for was removed in October 2023 per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Mention is unlikely to be restored. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 20:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Does not help readers.

Ca ^{talk to me!} 08:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

It hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurtsedit]

• It hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts → Yahtzee Croshaw#Chzo Mythos  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

like with "intruder alert! intruder alert!" before, i don't think a basic thing said multiple times in this manner can be primarily associated to one person or piece of media. also not or at least no longer mentioned in the target, i guess cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete delete delete delete delete as vague per nom. Also, potentially Daftify. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete as definitively implausible. The target section of the redirect doesn't even exist, and the phrase doesn't exist in that article anyway. — Smuckola(talk) 03:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as confusing at best --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm actually not confused by this one, and quite familiar with the reference (the Chzo Mythos is surprisingly compelling), but it's utterly unneeded and not particularly notable, even amongst fans. I'm sure Croshaw doesn't have a monopoly on this phrase anyway. Fieari (talk) 05:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete This seems to be extremely generic, based on internet search. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

X (social network)edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy close without prejudice due to the ongoing move discussion

Draft:J.Williams

• Draft:J.Williams → J. Williams  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The disambiguation page was never a draft. This was a result of a previous redirect hijacking from sockpuppets. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 16:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Candidates in the 2022 French legislative electionedit]

• Candidates in the 2022 French legislative election → List of deputies not running for re-election in the 2022 French legislative election  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target is opposite of redirect, doesn't have the contents one would expect when searching for this Fram (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete There doesn't appear to be such a list on enwiki at the moment. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Fashion in Chinaedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: procedural close

Woketard

• Woketard → Woke  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Woketards → Woke  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

While I am aware that WP:NPOV is less of a concern for redirects as they are less likely to face the general public directly, I do question the rationale for the existence of these redirects.

Surely anyone searching for woketard(s), will already need to type the word woke, and I am sure that any quote in an article that could possibly benefit from bluelinking woketard could surely just pipelink it.

I am not strongly of the mind that "These should not exist on Wikipedia", though I do feel as though they are needlessly inflammatory and likely unnecessary. The article for Woke does not mention Woketards anywhere including in the as a pejorative section.

Primarily, I am leaning towards deletion for these redirects, if consensus aligns with them being valid, I am not opposed to the target being narrowed down to the as a pejorative section. IceBergYYC (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Soft redirect to Wiktionary There is an entry in Wiktionary. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Normally I'm all for keeping pejorative redirects as per WP:RNEUTRAL; however, nom questions the usefulness of this one and I'm inclined to agree. This is nothing more than a simple portmanteau of "Woke" and "-tard"; anyone with half a brain can disassemble the portmanteau, and from there, figure out what this means. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - per Lunamann. It appears the same user that created these also just created 3 more that similarly are unmentioned at the target - Wokester, Wokie and Wokies - should we include those 3 as well in this RFD? Raladic (talk) 05:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  I'm a little more of the mind that those three would be fine as redirects if retargeted specifically to the as a pejorative section of the article. Not opposed to their deletion as well, but more interested in the two originals from the nom based on the higher degree of being needlessly inflammatory. IceBergYYC (talk) 20:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with IceBergYYC-- those three don't have the -tard suffix and thus have a higher likelihood of refinement as opposed to outright deletion (and are simply minor modifications of the target word with the simple meaning "people who are woke (pejorative)"). If anything, those three should be grouped together; but as a separate listing.
  Just because I would vote delete myself, doesn't mean that I see it going the same exact way. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete If not legitimately mentioned in the article, it is simply an insult and should be speedy-deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:37, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Crosswiki to Wiktionary - It's just a word. May as well define it and move on. Fieari (talk) 04:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Make it mac tonightedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete.

First f Great Western

• First f Great Western → Great Western Railway (train operating company)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• First Greater Western → Great Western Railway  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• First Great Western Express → Great Western Railway  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

An extremely unlikely search term and a typo that even cannot be accidentally done. Just note that First Great Western was the former name of the current Great Western Railway JuniperChill (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [edited 09:50, 29 May 2024 UTC]

• Keep First Greater Western as that's the legal name of the company operating the franchise [13]. Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  • weak delete First f Great Western. This is reading the corporate logo as "First f" which is not completely implausible given how it was rendered in e.g. what Commons calls the "corporate blue" livery (see image) but I can't find evidence it is commonly used. Thryduulf (talk) 08:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, we don't have First f as seen at FirstGroup logo so a clear reason for deletion. Plus FGW was out of business 9 years ago so its even more unlikely. But obviously keep First Great Western JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete First Great Western Express. It wouldn't have been an implausible way to distinguish from First Great Western Link but the only uses I can find are "First Great Western express" (i.e. express trains that happen to be operated by First Great Western). Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Agree with Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete first two and Tentative delete the third, though with the note that they're all being deleted for different reasons and I'm not sure they should've been grouped like this.
  --The first one, delete due to unlikely typo.
  --The second, delete due to unlikely/vague search term (Greater?? And are we sure that they were talking about a railway when all they called it is a Western??? Could've been a movie for all we know) opinion withdrawn 00:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
  --The third, tentative delete due to being... possibly unlikely? The term 'express' does narrow down that we're talking about a train, and "First Great Western" WAS the name of this rail line at one point. I could see this alternately being kept and tagged as Unnecessary Disambig.
  With the very different reasons why each one of these are being talked about, lastly, I propose handing nom a WP:MINNOW for grouping these together instead of keeping them separate, as this could've resulted in-- and could still result in-- a minor WP:TRAINWRECK. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  • @Lunamann: "First Greater Western" is neither vague nor unlikely. It is the legal name of the company, a subsidiary of First Group (who brand most of their operations "First [name of operation]", e.g. First Great Western (the branding used for this franchise and its predecessor from 1998-2015), First TransPennine Express, First ScotRail, First Capital Connect, First North Western, etc.), that operates the Greater Western franchise. 100% of Google hits relate to this company. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

    Fair enough. I'll allow First Greater Western being kept, though I'll also note that this means that we are now officially in Minor Trainwreck territory. ...Ironic, considering we're talking about railways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

    Yeah, I did not think this thru. All of them are about railways all linking to the current GWR. I just thought that all three of them are very unlikely typos or search terms for FGW hence why I bundled them together. I initially thought WP:TRAINWRECK was talking about the notabilty stuff related to actual train crashes like the Stonehaven derailment or about whether to include it in an article like the EMR derailment on the List of rail accidents (2020–present)#2024. JuniperChill (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

    Nope, WP:TRAINWRECK is about how each one of these redirects has something else potentially wrong with it-- or in one case, has nothing wrong with it-- and thus we can't weigh them on the same merits, meaning that the resulting discussion gets confusing fast. I say a minor trainwreck-- and only minnowed you instead of a full-on trouting-- because there's only three redirects in the discussion, so the discussion is at least somewhat navigable.

    (See WP:UPPERCASE for more "Wait, I thought this shortcut meant X but it's actually talking about Y" stuff x3) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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Keep all - As Thryduulf points out the "First f" redirect is likely based on the logo, that looks exactly like a stylised "First f Great Western", which someone could think is the name of the company. "First Greater Western" is the real name of the company, as said above. I've found some reference to "First Great Western Express" being at some point a rebrand of some First Great Western service. Redirects are cheap and it's clear what topic they are aiming for. BugGhost🪲👻 18:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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June 18

Brexit means breakfast

• Brexit means breakfast → Malapropism#Real-life examples  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target (was mentioned in a citation which I have recently removed, but not article text) GnocchiFan (talk) 22:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why a redirect needs to explicitly be referenced in the target? Deku-shrub (talk) 09:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Because otherwise we would have hundreds of malapropisms redirect to this target, with no indication of notability. GnocchiFan (talk) 12:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep without requirement of mention at target. Or... more clearly, Refine to no subsection. To answer Gnocchi's concern about hundreds of malapropisms, no need-- it shouldn't open any floodgates, as this one is in fact attested. Anyone searching this phrase is clearly coming from the news article about it. The fact that it redirects to Malapropism will be all it takes to explain what the news article is talking about... someone made a silly error of speech. Thus the user is informed and can move on with their day. No need for a mention, as the article would not be enriched by the inclusion... the mere existence of the redirect should be enough to convey what needs to be conveyed. Fieari (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Furiosa Roadedit]

• Furiosa Road → Mad Max: Fury Road  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not sure how plausible this search term is but if kept, would Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga be a more appropriate target? मल्ल (talk) 22:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as is I take you you didn't watch "Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga", since that isn't a road movie. "Mad Max: Fury Road" is a road movie. "Furiosa Road" was a common nickname for the film when it was released. [14][15][16][17][18] -- so is a good search term. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Leaf forestedit]

• Leaf forest → Sonic Advance 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

i think most forests have leaves, i don't see what makes this one special. leaf forest is not mentioned in the target, and the lowercase f suggests any random forest with leaves cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

should note that while "leaf forest zone" would narrow it down considerably, it would also be wrong, as it's not referred to as a zone in the game cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Deciduous forest as opposed to conifer needle forests. They have much leaf litter -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  they're actually really pointy leaves, but that's going off-topic cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Fan wikis identify "Leaf Forest" as part of the Sonic and Pokemon universes, but those uses aren't mentioned here. All of the search results on Wikipedia are WP:PTMs, like "broad-leaf forest", "needle-leaf forest", etc. - Eureka Lott 17:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. The lowercase name and lack of any series-identifying words like "Zone" drop the affinity on this one down considerably. Given the zones in this game also aren't listed in the article, I think it's safe to delete. Not a fan of retargeting to Deciduous forest instead, but I won't be too combative if people decide it's a good target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Marine the Raccoon(character)edit]

• Marine the Raccoon(character) → Sonic Rush Adventure  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

malformed cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:RDAB. Marine the Raccoon (character) exists (and has a similar page history). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 03:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Sonic E3edit]

• Sonic E3 → Sonic Rush  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"sonic ds" was a working title for sonic rush. "sonic e3" was not. more than one sonic game has been shown at e3 since 2005, so rush might not be the primary target cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete, per nom BugGhost🪲👻 14:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Something Forgotten Wished by the Worldedit]

• Something Forgotten Wished by the World → Klonoa 2: Lunatea's Veil  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

the title of an official album, apparently. not mentioned in the target outside of sources that happen to have the name in the title. delete, or see if a mention can be added? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

風のクロノアedit]

• 風のクロノア → Klonoa: Door to Phantomile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

that's the japanese name for the franchise, with this redirect missing the subtitle associated with this specific game. redirect to klonoa, or leave as is? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Klonoa per WP:FORRED. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

List of Klonoa viliansedit]

• List of Klonoa vilians → Klonoa: Door to Phantomile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

implausible misspelling cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete A unlikely misspelling in a long title for a non-notable topic. This helps zero readers. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

List of Klonoa villainsedit]

• List of Klonoa villains → Klonoa: Door to Phantomile  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

left as a redirect because there weren't any sources that could warrant a list for individual klonoa characters, and i still haven't found anything noteworthy about any single character (not even klonoa himself) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete As formerly totally unsourced fancruft, it's not even worth restoring and bringing to AfD. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Heather McMahanedit]

• Heather McMahan → Celebrity Jeopardy! (2022 game show)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:RETURNTORED. Her only connection to celebrity jeopardy is that she appeared as a contestant during one tournament. I mean just based on the premise of the show, you have to be more notable for something else than for simply being on the show.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 18:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Trademark Law Treatyedit]

• Trademark Law Treaty → Trademark#Singapore Trademark Law Treaty  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Those are two different treaties. The redirection creates confusion. I suggest deletion of the redirection Anthere (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Create a set index article at this title. There are three main international trademark treaties, the WIPO 1994, Singapore, and the Madrid Protocol, and we should have one place that lists them all, and possibly any notable bilateral treaties that may exist. BD2412 T 20:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Oh, and the International (Nice) Classification of Goods and Services. BD2412 T 20:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  • I have created Trademark Law Treaty of 1994. BD2412 T 21:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
  • I like this idea ! Anthere (talk) 06:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
    • I have added some content to the section at Trademark, but this could easily be split out into another article with additional topics mentioned. BD2412 T 18:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Kahruedit]

• Kahru → Gahru  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

article about Iran village (not a city like said!) called Gahru even doesn't mention "Kahru". And Kahru to be reserved to Estonian village Kahru, Rõuge Parish Estopedist1 (talk) 15:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget according to nom. None of the Romanization of Persian mixes up the letters <k> and <g> for the same sound. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Any comment on Gohord's plausibility? If it's not plausible, I'd say to move Kahru, Rõuge Parish to Kahru; if it is plausible, I'd create a DAB over the redirect. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Valinor Hills Stationedit]

• Valinor Hills Station → Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's no indication that this is referred to as a "station", either officially or unofficially, by anyone. I'm not sure whether or not a plain "Valinor Hills" redirect would be more suitable. It doesn't seem very useful, but it would make more sense at least. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - As OA of the Valinor Hills Station WP:Redirect - this Redirect was made to support the listing of the final location of the Mars Ingenuity (helicopter) on the planet Mars as indicated at Ingenuity (helicopter)#End of mission, and on the "Mars Memorial Sites" template ({{Features and memorials on Mars}}) (and see below) - in any case - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 14:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Note -- I removed the (unsigned) template transclusion as clutter; anyone can click on the link themselves to see it. I know MOS:OL is about article content and not talk pages, but holy crap, please take it to heart, because it's really hard to find the one important link among your sea of useless ones (why in the world did you feel the need to link "wp:redirect"? Please put some thought into what you write). More to the point, none of what you said addresses my concern that "Station" specifically is unwarranted. If someone added it inappropriately to a template, the proper course would be to remove it from the template, not to add an erroneous redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom as possibly made up. 0 hits on Google. We already have the "station-less" Valinor Hills created at the same time and pointing to the same target. Jay 💬 12:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Internet Phone Operating Systemedit]

• Internet Phone Operating System → IOS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Listing this separately from #Apple Internet Phone Operating System as beside similar issues with this being an unlikely search term, lacking a specific brand makes it more likely to cause confusion. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 12:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete - No clear target. The creator may have been under the impression that the "i" in iPhone is short for "internet", which it isn't - and from searching it doesn't look like this is a common mistake. Could arguably be retargeted to Mobile operating system, but that article isn't strictly related to the internet - there are mobile operating systems that don't have internet connectivity. BugGhost🪲👻 13:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Our article on iPhone says According to Jobs in 1998, the "i" word in "iMac" (and thereafter "iPod", "iPhone" and "iPad") stands for internet, individual, instruct, inform, and inspire. Regardless, I agree with nom and everyone that the current redirect target is incorrect. External searches refer to specific patents, and unless Mobile operating system has mention of the exact term, Delete. Jay 💬 12:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Yep good thing to point out - I was broadly meaning that Apple nor anyone else has referred to the iPhone as "Internet Phone" (or "Inspire Phone", or "Instruct Phone", etc), despite historical etymology of iMac. BugGhost🪲👻 10:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Mobile operating system. While it's true that not everything there relates to the internet, everything that this plausible search term could relate to is listed there (i.e. it's a redirect from a narrower term to a broader article) . Thryduulf (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  "Internet phone" could also refer to VoIP, and such hardware usually has its own operating system distinct from mobile operating systems. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 23:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget as per Thryduulf. He's right in that that's the best target we have (the only "internet phones" that can possibly have an operating system would have said operating systems listed there), and the fact that it's one less word than the one that starts with Apple helps a bit with my ability to believe its plausibility. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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Hendrik Sal-Salleredit]

• Hendrik Sal-Saller → Smilers  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

has SIGCOV, hence we need a red link to show that standalone article is missing in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 10:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak keep as a {{R from member}} since deleting the redirect would hinder navigation, even considering WP:RETURNTORED. That, and if the nominator sees the potential to create an article, nothing is really stopping them from overwriting the redirect with an article. Steel1943 (talk) 19:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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Kristian Taskaedit]

• Kristian Taska → Taska Film  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

has SIGCOV, hence we need a red link to show that standalone article is missing in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Per the target article, without sources, seems the subject of the redirect has a WP:ONEEVENT-ish connection to its target, considering other subtopics of the subject of the redirect seem to not have articles. Steel1943 (talk) 19:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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Drake LaRocheedit]

• Drake LaRoche → Adam LaRoche#Personal life  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirects to an article where there is no mention of him. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia either. Steel1943 (talk) 19:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

He was mentioned on there, until that was removed. He should be mentioned, considering that he received wide coverage in connection with his father's retirement in 2016. This was not incidental naming, but news articles directly about Drake LaRoche.

See: The Athletic (2021), NBC (on the "Drake LaRoche saga"), Sports Illustrated, Washington Post, CBS Sports, Sports Illustrated, again, etc. D. Benjamin Miller (talk) 01:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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Chhota Bheem 1edit]

• Chhota Bheem 1 → Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Chhota Bheem 5 → Chhota Bheem and the Curse of Damyaan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirects doesn't make any sense. M S Hassan (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@M S Hassan: I made these redirects (when I was going through the list of Indian film series), as a chronological search aid for theatrical films in order of release for the series.

These, 1 and 5, should be targetted to the relevant articles (for the 2012 and 2024 film) respectively. Cheers. Gotitbro (talk) 08:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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2024 Sonsio Grand Prix at the Indiapolis Motor Speedwayedit]

• 2024 Sonsio Grand Prix at the Indiapolis Motor Speedway → 2024 Sonsio Grand Prix  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete - Unplausible search target/cleanup after target article was initially created here (due to a newer editor being unaware they could overwrite the old redirect at the target). ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  03:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Accurate and harmless, deletion wouldn't bring any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. "Indiapolis" is such an unlikely misspelling of Indianapolis that those who know linguistics could potentially believe "Indiapolis" is a city in India. (To add to this, seems the only valid use of "Indiapolis" on Wikipedia is for a subject named "Indiapolis, Indiana: American Trust Publications" in some references, but in that case, based on where the instances of this phrase are located on Wikipedia, seems the title has intentional affinity to India, but I could be completely wrong on that and those uses of "Indiapolis" could be misspelled as well; apparently, an entity named "American Trust Publications" is/was based out of Chicago, which is rather geographically close to Indianapolis.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

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Factory owneredit]

• Factory owner → Businessperson  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Comparing the current target of this redirect, the former targets Bourgeoisie and Means of production, and Factory which doesn't seem to mention "owner(s)" ... it does not seem that there is a specific article readers may be attempting to locate when searching this phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Another potential target is business magnate, which is where industrialist points. - Eureka Lott 00:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak retarget to business magnate as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Industrialist. I wouldn't be opposed to disambiguation though as while I think the other suggests are less likely they aren't completely implausible. Thryduulf (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete I doubt readers are using "factory owner" to search up "business magnate". It is not a set phrase that means something other than the sum of its parts. Business magnate does not have any info about factories. It is too vague to be useful. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:03, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak retarget to business magnate - agree with Ca that it is a bit vague - but the lead definition in the magnate article ("a powerful entrepreneur and investor who controls, through personal enterprise ownership or a dominant shareholding position, a firm or industry") does encapsulate factory owners, even though it's a little loose. BugGhost🪲👻 10:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

㌽edit]

• ㌽ → wiktionary:Special:Search/㌽  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Why would the English Wikipedia redirect to non-English Wiktionary entries? Fram (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Eh? The target is an English Wiktionary entry. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Wiktionary entries for non-English words or terms. Wiktionary starts with the languages an entry is in (the heading), and the only such heading here is "Japanese". For comparison, the entry for "bread"[19] has headings "English", "Middle English", "Old English", and "Spanish", so that is an English Wiktionary entry. Fram (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Because English Wiktionary explains in English the meaning of the Japanese word that forms the character. I don't know that there is any exact meaning of point (disambiguation) that is represented by ㌽, so I leave the readers to find out what works in their case. --Error (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

But why would we have redirects to explain words in other languages? We could add millions of redirects if we do this, for every word in every language. Fram (talk) 12:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep. We have articles and redirects for characters (not words), because people want to know what they mean and look them up in Wikipedia. In this case the English Wiktionary entry is better than anything we have locally, so the soft redirect is the most helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Why would we allow redirects for foreign-language characters because people want to know what they mean, but not for words because people want to know what they mean? What makes characters so special? Fram (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Because characters and words are not the same thing. The reason we don't have redirects for foreign words is expressed best at WP:RFOREIGN, those considerations don't occur for single characters. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

That's a non-answer if ever I saw one. Why A and not B? "A and B are not the same, and here we explain why not B". Well yes, but you argue to keep A, and don't give a reason why the arguments would be different. Further, the page you list to is about internal redirects, not about redirects to Wiktionary or the like. You also claim that "those considerations don't occur for single characters", but most of the arguments in the "Rationale" section of that page apply just as well to single characters. Fram (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

To editor Fram:: Is your objection to redirects to Wiktionary, redirects from non-Latin characters or redirects from CJK characters? --Error (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirects from characters, words, ... not in use in English and without an article here. Fram (talk) 14:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

is there a reason the target is a search, and not the thing that would be searched? if not, retarget to wikt:㌽. otherwise, keep cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

That's how interwiki soft redirects work (my guess is that it's so that you get search results rather than an error if the target page doesn't exist, but you get taken to the page if it does) so your suggested retarget is the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you please wait before you create more similar redirects. You have now added ㍀ and ㍁, but if this one gets created, then adding more of the same onbly creates more work afterwards. Fram (talk) 12:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment There are tens of thousands of Han characters/Kanji. Is the plan to redirect all of them (or at least the reasonably common ones) to Wiktionary entries? What about characters in other scripts, or words in other languages? I actually agree that there is some value to a reader, however if you search for a Han character (arbitrary example) on Wikipedia, the corresponding Wiktionary entry will already appear in the search results on the side under the heading "Word definitions from Wiktionary". If the desire is to make the link to Wiktionary more prominent, that could be done much more efficiently with a few lines of CSS or JS instead of creating thousands of redirect entries. Just my 2¢. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I realize that the entry above is not Kanji but rather a "square katakana" symbol, of which Unicode has only ~100, but I think the general reasoning may still apply. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

There are some kanji categorized as Category:Kanji, Category:Kyōiku kanji. I think that Category:Simplified Chinese radicals‎ and Category:Kangxi radicals list most of the radicals. There are few redirects there, either because they don't exist or they are not categorized. Category:Specific_kana lists all of them, it seems. Picking one at random, ra has seven redirects from specific Unicode characters, all of them seem reasonable to me. --Error (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete This is a Unicode 'codepoint', but it is not in any normal sense a "character"; in fact it is plainly a word - ポイント - consisting of four characters. These "block" things are a legacy typographical kludge, not a normal part of the Japanese writing system. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Wiktionary explains what this character is and how it is used, and it does so in English. We have the information, we should point to it. Fieari (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Strictly speaking this is not true: Wiktionary does not describe this "character" (it isn't a character), nor how it is used. For example it does not mention that in vertical writing (where I suspect such use may be more common) the four elements of the character-space, written l-r, t-b, would be ン　ポ　ト　イ (because actually they would have to be written t-b, r-l). In other words the actual appearance shown in the Unicode CJK compatibility box is not necessarily how the "character" would appear in actual use. And there is no obvious evidence of this "character" actually being in use [as opposed to "mention"] in an Internet search. If there is an established principle that WP does not provide links to Wikt for just any foreign word, the argument for needing a redirect for non-standard representations of such words strikes me as infinitely weak. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Changing !vote to Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps below. An on-wiki redirect is significantly preferable to a cross-wiki one. Fieari (talk) 23:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to CJK Compatibility for the reasons Imaginatorium brings up. Opposed to deletion however since the character is covered in the English WP. Nickps (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "covered". Is the J word ポイント "covered"? Actually I think that of course it is (just about) acceptable to describe (non-)characters like this in an article about obscure features of Unicode, but it is also OK to have an article on the Hungarian language - but this does not mean that just any Hungarian word should redirect to it. And yes, this (non-)character appears on web pages, but I can only find it on dictionary and similar pages, where it is often just some sort of redirect. Challenge: can you find a single use of this (non-)character in use in a document on the Web? Imaginatorium (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  "Covered" means that the character U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO is explained in CJK Compatibility. CJK Compatibility is a Unicode block containing square symbols (both CJK and Latin alphanumeric) encoded for compatibility with East Asian character sets. Therefore, someone who searched for "㌽" now knows why it exists. That's a helpful redirect. Your argument would make sense if the nominated redirect was ポイント, but it's not. It is entirely possible that someone who puts "㌽" in the search box actually wants to know about the Unicode character itself and not about the Japanese word wikt:ポイント.

  PS: Noncharacter has a specific meaning as far as Unicode is concerned. U+333D is not a "noncharacter". Nickps (talk) 16:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps and other discussions on Unicode symbols. CJK Compatibility also helpfully links the character to the Wictionary entry in case a user needs further clarification on what the symbol means. ― Synpath 03:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block, which seems to be the best of choices more preferable than the current target. Whether or not every such character should have such a redirect is a larger question to be addressed elsewhere (if it has been, I am unaware). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Search considers ㌽ and ポイント to be interchangeable. Therefore, currently Special:Search/ポイント leads to ㌽. Therefore, I propose that if this RfD closes as retarget per my !vote, regular ポイント is created as a crosswiki to wiktionary:Special:Search/ポイント. I consider this a case of WP:SMALLDETAILS. Nickps (talk) 11:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  But this seems to show up the absurdity of this whole mess. If ポイント should have a redirect, surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect? じゃないの? Imaginatorium (talk) 11:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect. Not really, only the ones that have associated Unicode characters. The redirects from individual Unicode characters are useful. Apart from what I've already said above, consider {{unichar}} which links to the character page if an empty |nlink= parameter is passed to it. U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO works fine right now. Why break it? On the other hand, yes, keeping the redirect creates a pretty astonishing result for anyone who searches regular ポイント. But we don't need to delete to fix that; creating ポイント also works. I think the usefulness of the ㌽ redirect is enough to warrant the WP:RFOREIGN exception I'm asking for here. Nickps (talk) 12:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  You say the "usefulness" of the ㌽ redirect. Can you describe a plausible scenario in which a non-Japanese-speaking user could have this Unicode value "in their hand " so to speak, in order to paste it into the WP search box? Unless of course they got it from a dictionary/Unicode site, and already know what it is? Can you cite a single instance of this Unicode value in a document on the net? And please avoid using the term "Unicode character" to describe something which is not a character. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  I don't really need to accommodate your nonstandard definition of "character". A Unicode compatibility character is still a Unicode character. Can you describe a plausible scenario in which a non-Japanese-speaking user could have this Unicode value "in their hand " so to speak, in order to paste it into the WP search box? This Wikipedia is made for English speakers not "non-Japansese" speakers. Some of these English speakers who understand Japanese at some level but still prefer to use enwiki may end up on e.g. [20] or [21] and then search the character. Nickps (talk) 04:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  Why would you be fluent enough to end up at [chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.city.iwaki.lg.jp/www/contents/1522805848362/simple/shouhinn.pdf your first example], but then rely on English Wikipedia to explain this to you, instead of Japanese Wikipedia? Why would you expect Enwiki to explain everything about every language? Fram (talk) 07:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - As explained in WP:RFOREIGN, redirects in languages other than English that point to articles not directly related to that language (or a culture associated with that language) should generally not be kept. As others have pointed out it is a character (in the Unicode sense), but this symbol represents a non-English word and so (in my opinion) falls under that guideline and shouldn't be kept. I also don't think it should redirect to CJK Compatibility, because users typically expect redirects to go to the contents/meaning of the search, rather than their technical representation (eg. 🛑 goes to Stop sign, not Transport and Map Symbols; ㎯ goes to Angular acceleration, not CJK Compatibility; 🯈 goes to Stick figure not Symbols for Legacy Computing etc), and we don't (and shouldn't) have an article on the meaning of ㌽, and just the fact that it is represented with a single unicode code-point is just technical trivia. It doesn't mean CJK Compatibility, so it shouldn't go there - the result would astonish. BugGhost🪲👻 11:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Epsilon Eridani cedit]

• Epsilon Eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Epsilon eridani c → Epsilon Eridani#Debris disc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target section does not mention Epsilon Eridani c. Also, the former section named "Planet c" was removed from the target article in Special:Diff/1154409029 (as shown in the "Broken anchors" note at Talk:List of nearest stars). GTrang (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep, this planet candidate is still mentioned by name in the target section: The JCMT images show signs of clumpy structure in the belt that may be explained by gravitational perturbation from a planet, dubbed Epsilon Eridani c. SevenSpheres (talk) 15:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the reasons given by SevenSpheres. 21 Andromedae (talk) 16:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Papa Emeritus 2edit]

• Papa Emeritus 2 → Tobias Forge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Papa Emeritus redirects to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus section and already covers Papa Emeritus II.

I wonder if the initially capitalized redirect contradicts with Papa emeritus (Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus. Either way, the use of "2" makes it seem as though it does not/could not refer to Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus per Steel1943. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• If this is retargeted, Papa Emeritus II and Papa Emeritus III should probably also be retargeted. Might be worth adding both these (and possibly Papa Emeritus) to this discussion. Alternatively, if it seems to be uncontroversial where these should all point, they can be retargeted without any RFD discussion. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:34, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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The issue is that both targets (Tobias Forge#Ghost, which is what this should be refined to if Kept, and Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus) discuss Tobias's role as the Papa Emeritus character in *all* incarnations of the character-- Papa Emeritus I, II, III, 0, and IV. That said, I'm leaning towards Refine for this specific redirect; the incarnation Papa Emeritus II does get a little more discussion in Tobias's article compared to Ghost's article.

Either way, I do think the two sections need to be hatnoted together-- they talk about the same thing, so they should get a "See also" connecting them. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Botswananedit]

• Botswanan → Botswana  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It should redirect to Motswana. Not sure why this got reverted, the authority is wikitionary or however you spell it. Botswanan is not a proper word. [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] OK I think I’ve made my point. 48JCL 01:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

oops wrong place 48JCL 01:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• @48JCL: I have reverted your bold retarget and restored the redirect with the RfD tag as nominated to allow for proper consensus to be reached on where to target this. As stated at WP:RFD, please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment 48JCL I think you maybe need to give a bit more of an argument for why it should be retargeted. Even if Botswanan isn't a "proper" word I think for most readers the main Botswana article is a good target; it also mentions the Tswana people in the lead paragraph for example. Skynxnex (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• "Botswanan" not being 'a proper word' isn't really an issue-- the question is if it's *a plausible word*. Adding an -n, -an, or -ian suffix to the name of a place is a typical English way of signifying "from this place" or "people from this place", see American, Mexican, Canadian, Italian, ect, just like "-ish" (English, Spanish, ect) or "-ese" (Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, ect). I can easily see someone unfamiliar with the term Batswana to invent terms like Botswanese, Botswanish, or, yes, Botswanan.
  That said, I would Retarget to the Tswana DAB, simply to match the other 'from this place' words above. The searcher is clearly looking for information on *something* from Botswana- let's both inform them of the correct term, AND offer up the multiple meanings for said word. After all, who's to say they're not looking for the language they speak in Botswana? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  Comment @Lunamann, the proper denonym is at Motswana. 48JCL 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  That... definitely presents an issue, given part of the reason I targeted the Tswana DAB was its link to Tswana language; many demonyms also serve as a name for the language that group uses (see English, Chinese, German, ect); and given Botswanan is a made-up and incorrect demonym, there's really nothing stopping someone from also using it as an incorrect name for the language.

  The only idea I have is, to retarget to the Motswana DAB, and then add a See Also that targets the Tswana DAB? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Lunamann: Yes, that does seem to be a problem; I will ping Lefcentreright and John, who were able to somewhat eradicate the term from the Wikipedia and replace it with proper terms. 48JCL 22:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to the dab per Lunamann. The word appears in dictionaries (Cambridge, Oxford) and is used by reliable sources such as the United States Mission to the United Nations, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China, Cardiff University and Florida State University among others as well as lots of other sites I haven't bothered to assess for reliability. Even if it isn't a "proper word" (which seems doubtful given that evidence) it is very much a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment What about creating a disambiguation page that points to Botswana, Tswana people and Tswana language? --Error (talk) 09:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  I think this is the better solution. The sources that Thryduulf has included in their comment show that "Botswanan" refers just as much to the country itself as it does to the people or language. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  I wouldn't be opposed to this. Support. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  I have no objections to this. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

LGBT in Russiaedit]

• LGBT in Russia → LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Shouldn't it target to a specific page and then use a template to indicate "For other uses, see LGBT in Russia (disambiguation)"? Also, this disambiguation feels strange to me, LGBT in Brazil points to LGBT rights in Brazil. LGBT in the United States points to LGBT people in the United States, but we don't have a LGBT people in Russia. So retarget to LGBT rights in Russia? If the target is kept, we should start disambiguating countries that have history, rights, people, and culture with "LGBT in [country]". --MikutoH ^talk! 00:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Well if a broad-concept article is to be written it could be done so otherwise per WP:MALPLACED the DAB should be moved back to the base name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Move LGBT in Russia (disambiguation) back to the base title. Personally, I find "LGBT in [place]" awkward and ungrammatical, but this discussion is about this redirect in particular. I checked a few other "LGBT in [place]" to see how we treat them, and did not find a clear pattern.

1. LGBT in Chile is an article about LGBT topics generally, with a hatnote to LGBT rights in Chile.
2. LGBT in Germany redirects to LGBT rights in Germany.
3. LGBT in Houston redirects to LGBT culture in Houston.
4. LGBT in New Zealand is an article about LGBT topics generally.
5. LGBT in Singapore redirects to LGBT culture in Singapore.

By all means, yes, there should be a general article for LGBT topics in Russia, but simply moving the disambiguation page doesn't accomplish that. --BDD (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Sdn Bhdedit]

• Sdn Bhd → Private company limited by shares  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Sendirian Berhad → Private company limited by shares  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in article Isla🏳️‍⚧ 00:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment added Sendirian Berhad to this nomination (the expansion of the abbreviation sdn bhd, which points to the same target). Best course of action here might be to add a mention at some existing Malaysia-specific article (e.g. Companies Commission of Malaysia) where it could fit as a subtopic, and retarget there temporarily as a {{R with possibilities}}. The current target is extremely UK-specific. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 06:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

June 17

Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD

• Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD → Wikipedia:WikiProject Open/Open access task force/Open Access File of the Day  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Cross namespace redirect that existed for 22 minutes. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Template → Wikipedia CNRs are uncommon but only problematic if transcluding the target would be harmful in some way (or it conflicts with something else). In this case it's not harmful (transclusion works fine) and it doesn't appear to be in the way of anything else. That said it isn't transcluded anywhere and I can't think of a reason why it would be transcluded (unlike {{OAFD}}). Ultimately I think I'm neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Ignore - It's not that I'm expressly saying keep (although that would be the result of following my !vote here) I'm just saying that it's utterly harmless and not worthy of even the miniscule amount of time it would take to delete it. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale)edit]

• Frank Blackmore (Emmerdale) → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• DI Frank Blackmore → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• DS Frank Blackmore → List of Emmerdale characters#Detective Inspector Frank Blackmore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Since this is redirects for discussion and not deletion, when was the last time Frank Blackmore was mentioned here or in List of former Emmerdale characters? (in other words, not currently mentioned at target) Not only that, it was also a section link and now its broken. I wondered what had happened to it. Could this be retargeted to Daniel Coll where Frank Blackmore is mentioned?

I am also nominating DI Frank Blackmore for the exact same reason. (As a side note, I can't believe most of my edits today are to do with Emmerdale, where you normally sea me being involved with UK railways and video game related topics) JuniperChill (talk) 22:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Emmerdale Character list (NEW)edit]

• Emmerdale Character list (NEW) → List of Emmerdale characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A very unlikely search/link term considering that it clearly violates the capitalization rules. I have (or will have) just created the proper 'Emmerdale character list (new)' redirect. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete both of these, weird format... TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 18:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

LGBTZedit]

• LGBTZ → LGBT  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target article, did not find any reliable sources using the term. मल्ल (talk) 20:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. The Z, according to edit history and hinted at by the non-neutral tag, is meant to signify "Zoophilia". This was apparently made as a redirect with the excuse that the redirect LGBTP (similarly lumping pedophilia in with the LGBT) existed at the time. That redirect just got deleted, and unlike that one-- where the needle swung between outright deletion and retargeting-- there's no handy redirect target like LGBT grooming conspiracy theory or Anti-LGBT rhetoric#Conflation with pedophilia that it could hypothetically be retargeted to. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - per Lunamann. Raladic (talk) 21:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy delete - Per above. The LGBT community doesn't tolerate beastiality. Ahri Boy (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete, I thought it was part of the intentional/joke misspelling LGBTXYZ, which would have no meaning, however this is supposed to be about zoophilia, which is an anti-LGBT rhetoric. But even then, XYZ is also used by anti-LGBT. --MikutoH ^talk! 00:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - per above arguments. BugGhost🪲👻 08:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, perhaps even speedy. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

unlike p, which someone blessed with innocence could mistake for standing for "pansexual", there's just no excuse for z. speedy delete, and do not daftify cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak Keep, with a Google search I found this article from The Ethics Centre discussing the term, and the term being used in this context on a handful social media profiles and posts, but not sure if this is enough to make a case for it. As Lunamann mentioned there's no more specific place to retarget it to either: Zoophilia is somewhat possible but LGBTZ is used to refer to the community, and any LGBT controversy article would be a far stretch. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 17:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Emigration from North Koreaedit]

• Emigration from North Korea → North Korean defectors  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This may refer to multiple topics. I propose to retarget it to Category:North Korean diaspora. GZWDer (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom. The pages included in the category more throughly covers the topic. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget, but to Korean diaspora, instead, to avoid creating an unnecessary WP:CNR. - Eureka Lott 10:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  I support Eureka Lott's proposal. Yue🌙 22:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is also fine too. Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget to the category. The Korean diaspora article contains only two passing mentions of emigrants from North Korea, one simply noting the name by which they are called and the second relates only to the 1950s. Landing there provides essentially no relevant information for people using this search term, while the category isn't perfect it contains links to directly relevant information in multiple articles. In this instance the CNR is much more useful to the reader. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Historic churchedit]

• Historic church → Historic church of Cúcuta  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Anyone using this term is likely looking for the general topic of historic church buildings rather than this specific church. Historic building is itself a redirect to List of heritage registers. I'm ambivalent regarding whether this redirect should also point there or just be deleted. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 17:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Don't keep as is This is a {{R from move}}, the target article was created at this title and stayed there for 7 weeks but that was back in 2006. While it will surprised nobody to learn that "historic church" appears in many, many articles it surprised me to learn that the redirect and its target are the only times it appears in the title of pages in the article namespace. I'm honestly torn between retargetting to the list of heritage registers (on the grounds that it's better to keep the revision history where we can, and that is a better target than the current one) or deleted (on the basis that it's too generic a title to be a good disambig and the heritage registers list is two steps removed from the search term so not the most helpful). I don't support keeping it as it is, but that's about the only thing I'm sure of. Thryduulf (talk) 23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment -- History of the church exists (as a redirect to History of the Church). Historical church does not exist. Church history and Church History both exist, but as separate pages! — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 19:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Agree with Thryduulf that this is too vague to be kept as is. Delete or retarget to List of oldest church buildings, which is the target of Oldest church. Jay 💬 14:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget to List of oldest church buildings. I think it's far more likely that someone searching this is looking for buildings, and not the history of the concept of "the church". Fieari (talk) 00:02, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album)edit]

• The Hollies' Greatest Hits (1968 West German album) → The Hollies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I can't find anything in Enwiki about a 1968 album, here, or at The Hollies discography (which in any case would be a better target). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Hollies' Greatest, a 1968 Greatest Hits album by The Hollies that was released in Germany. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget per Thryduulf - looks like that's the intended article BugGhost🪲👻 09:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Hollies' Greatest is a British album released by Parlophone. Per the edit history, the West German album was released by Hansa Records. The track listings are also different, which all but confirms these are different pressings. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• I can't find any non–user generated sources, but I'm fairly certain that the West German album and Hollies' Greatest are in fact separate (they seem to have separate covers for one), so that is not a good retargeting option. Retargeting to the discography would be a good option if it was on there, but it's not, and I know too little about the area to properly search for sources to add it to the discography. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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GWR networkedit]

• GWR network → Great Western Railway  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Where could this possibly lead to? The original GWR (current target), the modern one, GWR (disambiguation), Great Western Railway (disambiguation). Who knows... Otherwise, it can be deleted since its too ambiguaious JuniperChill (talk) 12:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• This is a plausible search term that could refer to the network of multiple of the railway companies listed at Great Western Railway (disambiguation), possibly (but I don't know how likely) the network of flights operated by Aura Airlines and possibly the radio network of GWR Group. Either retargeting to the existing Great Western Railway (disambiguation) with a hatnote to one or both the other two, or a separate disambig page are the best for readers here. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think we should include Aura Airlines as while that is the ICAO airline code, I don't think anyone refers it to that (and also a relatively obscure airline), just as the code for Greater Anglia is officially (de jure) LE, but it's most commonly (de facto) shortened to GA instead. Maybe retarget to GWR instead? Since idk what should happen, we should wait for other users to see. JuniperChill (talk) 13:11, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  There are only two entries on the GWR page that could plausibly have networks and which do not appear on Great Western Railway (disambiguation) (the airline and the media group), but there are multiple railways that have networks which are listed on the longer-titled dab page but not at GWR. So if a separate dab page is not the chosen outcome, Great Western Railway (disambiguation) is, in my opinion, a better target than GWR. Obviously there is no need to take action before other people have had a chance to express their opinions. Thryduulf (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

  I (the nom) would Retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation) then. With a hatnote saying:

  {{redirect|GWR network|the airline with the ICAO code|Aura Airlines|the radio network|GWR Group}} JuniperChill (talk) 19:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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@JuniperChill: We don't put hatnotes in disambiguation pages. Jay 💬 15:44, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

I mean we don't, but don't we *do* have See Also sections? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing @Jay / @Lunamann if consensus is to retarget to Great Western Railway (disambiguation0. JuniperChill (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Elephant populationedit]

• Elephant population → Elephant#Status  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Procedural nomination for speedy deletion candidate, as requested at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 May 17. jp×g🗯️ 03:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep Simple search term leads to a section that has detailed information about the search term. This is textbook redirect usage. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per Ca. Someone searching for "Elephant population" which is unquestionably something people will search Wikipedia for, will find the information at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:07, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• List of elephant species by population is a possible retarget. —Cryptic 14:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
  • I've added a see-also link to that page at the current target as it's relevant wherever this targets. I'm happy with either target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as a very reasonable search term. Either the current target or List of elephant species by population is acceptable. Frank Anchor 22:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of elephant species by population, as redirects to more specific pages are usually preferable to redirects to sections of more general pages. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep or Retarget, Lean Keep - List of elephant species by population is in the section hatnote, which is why I'd lean towards just keeping it... but that link does provide more information than the section, so I can see the argument for just skipping straight to the point. Either way is fine by me, to be honest, and my preference for keep is VERY slight. Fieari (talk) 04:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or retarget?
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• Keep: If it goes to the list, someone will see "populations of Proboscidean species" and could get very confused, whereas the prose and elephant pictures under the Status section are clearly relevant. Also I would add "R with possibilities" as I could see the section expanding and describing the individual populations with prose - the "notes" column in the list article is quite detailed. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I've changed Proboscidean to elephant, which matches the title. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to List of elephant species by population, as per Chaotic Enby. If a user is searching for elephant population, give 'em elephant population BugGhost🪲👻 17:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to List of elephant species by population per Bugghost. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Long term, retargeting to List of elephant species by population is probably more helpful. There's currently little body text, but there probably should be more, and the only reason I see to prefer Elephant#Status at this moment is that it provides more information. The fix to that is adding information to the list article; I'd do it myself if I had any understanding of the subject, and I may tackle it anyway if nobody else does (no promises, though). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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Tom (programming language)edit]

• Tom (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• TOM (programming language) → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• TOM computer language → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• TOM programming language → Tom#Acronyms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Tom and List of programming languages only lists one programming language called Tom or TOM – Tom (pattern matching language) – so I suggest retarget, delete, delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget 1 and 2. Delete 2 Delete 3: per WhatamIdoing. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Daask (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget 1 and 2. TOM was originally an acronym meaning To One Matching, so "TOM" was the original capitalization and should not be deleted.[31] WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• 1) Retarget, 2) Retarget, 3) Delete per WhatamIdoing. Good catch. Daask (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment TOM (programming language) should not be deleted. It contains the early history of the proposed target. I have added {{Copied}} to both talk pages to indicate that. I have also added the ur-redirects TOM computer language and TOM programming language to this nomination. Their fate should be considered, too—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
  • My !vote would be to delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and retarget the other four to the proposed target.—Ketil Trout (^<><!) 17:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation). Also, move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), and target the other redirects there. Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) and TOM computer language, Move Tom (pattern matching language) to Tom (programming language), Redirect the rest to Tom (programming language) and create TOM (computer language). I know that this is somewhat of a clusterfuck of actions, but

• Delete redirects due to TOM (programming language) (disambiguation) having consensus against redirects with parenthetical disambiguation and (disambiguation) and TOM computer language per WP:CONSISTENT with redirs such as C (computer language) and per WP:PANDORA.
• Move per Steel1943.
• Redirect the rest per above.
• Create TOM (computer language) per my reasoning for deleting TOM computer language.

mwwv ^converse∫_edits 16:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:PANDORA should not be used; see user:Lunamann/Please, put Pandora back in the box

That said, support these actions; save for the citing of WP:PANDORA, all of this seems correct to me. (WP:CONSISTENT can support the deletion of TOM computer language on its own.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I want to note that the last discussion on double disambiguation that I know of (Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 14#INTDABLINK of redirects from incomplete disambiguation) ended in no consensus, so unless things have changed without my knowledge and none of those redirects have been deleted since, there is not a consensus against double disambiguation. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 20:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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International Networking Working Groupedit]

• International Networking Working Group → International Network Working Group  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This article, which I created, uses an incorrect title. I moved it to the correct title but the redirect is not a name ever used in sources for this topic, so it's not a plausible alternative name that could justify a redirect. No articles link here. Propose deleting it to avoid confusion or it becoming a Wikipedia reflection on the Internet Whizz40 (talk) 18:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawiedit]

• 'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi → Zayn al-Din Omar Savaji  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I am not good at Islamic naming or there about but I can find any clue with this particular redirect. It is also a near close and unlikely when searched on web browsers. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• This might be the same person. An expert in Persian might help with https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/ابن_سهلان_ساوجی Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

  Here's the internal link version of that external link, fa:ابن_سهلان_ساوجی, since we can do that. Steel1943 (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• A good place to check for these kinds of things is OCLC. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
  
• Delete as confusing, since there's no evident connection between the redirect and its target, and we don't even know if both are the same person. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I do not know any Arabic nor Arabic naming conventions, but the two names might refer to the same person. Encyclopædia Iranica lists him as EBN SAHLĀN SĀVAJĪ, Qāżī ZAYN-AL-DĪN ʿOMAR. The two names identify the same father and have similar first names (Omar and ʿUmar). Ca ^{talk to me!} 07:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
  • It isn't Arabic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

    My mistake, I got tripped up by the Arabic script, which apparently Persian uses. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopilliaedit]

• Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopillia → Battle of Donbas (2022)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Editor-coined term for a since-merged series of events. Not in usage anywhere outside of Wikipedia mirrors. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 21:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support This is not a named event nor are the events that the former article referred to independently notable. No good reason to keep this. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• Note that this has prior article history and is a {{R from merge}}. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep to preserve history, as content from the page continues to exist at the current target. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanaticedit]

• User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic → Template:Userbox Yuri fanatic  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Same as Gay Communist Anime Userbox redirect Ahri Boy (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep per my other comment TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 20:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Animeedit]

• User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime → Template:User Global Gay Communist Anime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unused user subpage Ahri Boy (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

FYI for future reference please nominate all related redirects you want to nominate at the same time, as explained in WP:RFDHOWTO; anyway these should be Kept, created from a page move and no reason to delete (and I'm not sure why these userspace templates were moved anyway). TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 19:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Magburnedit]

• Magburn → List of generation IV Pokémon#Magmortar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

fan speculation for its english name, on the same vein as laxbe which i nominated a little under (or was it over?) a month ago. unlike laxbe, i found a few results, but they pretty solidly established this as a fan name that was dropped in favor of its admittedly inferior official name cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep if a reference to this as a fan-name is added. If it has a few results it seems to be a decently plausible search target, however niche. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per above. 48JCL 12:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak Keep, it's a cheap, niche redirect, but I found veeery little about the speculated name online outside of a little handful of forum posts from 2006-2007 or so speculating based on the Japanese name, I don't know how useful this would be... TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 16:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Science Updateedit]

• Science Update → American Association for the Advancement of Science  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target subject unclear. Steel1943 (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Seems to be related to a website called Science Update. Their about page states that they are an "re-incarnation" of an AAAS-produced radio show of the same name. Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Few minutes of searching around on old newspapers in newspapers.com did not give anything substantial, though I did find a Boston Globe Issue. With the Common Sense Media source, a mention might be able to be added. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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P♯edit]

• P♯ → P  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous target P Sharp was PRODded. No mention of anything related to P♯ in the current target. Either delete or retarget to ♯P. Nickps (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. The redirect should have been {{Db-redirnone}}-ed after its original target was deleted ... if it weren't for a bot retargeting the redirect after the deleted article was converted to a redirect prior to being restored and deleted anyways. Steel1943 (talk) 20:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Also, do not retarget to ♯P. For what it's worth, I do not believe this is a likely or helpful misspelling of "♯P", given that the nominated redirect has already been proven to mean something specific, given the nominated redirect had a valid target with a title match previously. Steel1943 (talk) 12:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to #P as, at the very least, a plausible typo. Frank Anchor 10:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Changed to neutral based on analysis by Nickps below showing much more difference between P# and #P that I had previously thought. Frank Anchor 20:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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• I'm changing my !vote to delete per Steel. P♯ and ♯P are different things and P_♯ and P^♯ have some uses in math as well. Any potential for confusion is not worth it. Nickps (talk) 13:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

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Glory Hallelujahedit]

• Glory Hallelujah → England Keep My Bones  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Fairly common phrase (I thought of Battle Hymn of the Republic); redirect to this relatively obscure song would likely be surprising. May merit a disambig page instead. Rusalkii (talk) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per nom. There appear to be several songs with this title in addition to those songs which simply include the phrase in their lyrics. Several uses of this phrase on enwiki. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Battle Hymn of the Republic (most likely the primary topic), or disambiguate if there are other well-known songs I'm missing. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Battle Hymn of the Republic as WP:PTOPIC. Many things may use the phrase, but few have the notability or association that this one does. Fieari (talk) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget as per Fieari and Chaotic Enby. BugGhost🪲👻 16:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate per WP:DABMENTION. Searches show that there are a bunch of other songs with this title. See Danny Brooks, Hi-Fi Revival, Darrel Petties, Rico Rodriguez discography, Polly Scattergood, West Coast vs. Wessex, and possibly others. - Eureka Lott 18:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate per the above. Cremastra (talk) 12:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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Druiskedit]

• Druisk → Kaunas  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 11 § Druisk – Keep

This redirect is simply incorrect. It stems from a misinterpretation of a redirect in a paper encyclopedia printed over 100 years ago. Druysk is an agrotown in Vitebsk Oblast, Belarus, near Braslaw. It is situated over 200 km away from Kaunas, Lithuania. The mixup arose because the Jewish Encyclopedia (1906) contains the following entry:

DRUISK. See Kovno.

However, this just refers to the fact that Druysk belonged to the Kovno Governorate of the Russian Empire, an administrative division which covered a fairly large area, including Braslaw and its environs. For confirmation of this fact, one may consult this 1864 map of Kovno Governorate. Druysk (Друйскъ) is in fact the easternmost labelled locality on the whole map, found within the yellow-green (i.e., primarily Orthodox) region centered around Braslaw (Браславъ).

The Jewish Encyclopedia does this with other localities as well. For example, the entries for Dusyaty (Dusetos; Russian: Дусяты Dusyaty) and Eiragoly (Ariogala; Yiddish: אייראַגאָלע Eyragole) also redirect the reader to Kovno, and the entry for Eishishki (Eišiškės) points to Wilna.

What's even more confusing is the online version of the Jewish Encyclopedia hosted on StudyLight.org, cited in the previous RfD discussion, which includes full entries for these redirect entries that just transclude the content of the redirect target, without any indication that this is what's happening. Thus, the entry for Druisk is identical to the entry for Kovno, except for the header; the same applies to Eishishki and Wilna, and so forth.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, I would like to solidify the argument for deletion by showing that other written sources that talk about “Druisk” are in fact referring to the city in present-day Belarus and not using it as a synonym for Kaunas.

• Cholawsky, Shalom (1998). The Jews of Bielorussia During World War II. Routledge. ISBN 9057021935.

  "Druisk" is mentioned alongside other towns in Belarus (e.g. Braslav, Glebokie, Dolhinov) and eastern Lithuania near the Belarusian border (e.g. Swienciany, Podbrodzh). None of these locations are near Kaunas.

• Petronis, Vytautas (2007). Constructing Lithuania: Ethnic Mapping in Tsarist Russia, Ca. 1800-1914. Stockholm University. ISBN 978-91-89315-78-5.

  “Druisk” is described as being on the Dvina River, in the Vitebsk province. Mostly accurate, but the author (or I) might be slightly confused. Druysk is not directly on the Dvina, which actually forms the border between the nearby towns of Druya, Belarus and Piedruja, Latvia. The Dvina is approximately 10 km from Druysk. In fact, the place-names Druya, Druysk, and Piedruja all refer to the Druya/Druyka tributary of the Dvina. In any case, nothing to do with the city of Kaunas.

• Lokotko, Aleksandr; et al. (2013). Tourist Mosaic of Belarus. Belaruskaya navuka. ISBN 978-5-457-63663-7.

  “Druisk” is described as being in the region of Braslaw, listed alongside other nearby Belarusian localities such as Opsa and Ukolsk. Again, this description definitely does not apply to Kaunas.

By the way, in the course of researching this, I also noticed that Eiragoly → Eiguliai is probably another incorrect redirect. As mentioned above, this refers to Ariogala (here's a source to support the identification), not the Eiguliai neighborhood of Kaunas whose name is pretty different anyway. I hypothesize that the author of this redirect also created it based on the Jewish Encyclopedia, but in that case tried to make sense of it by finding a part of Kaunas with a somewhat similar name.

98.170.164.88 (talk) 07:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Very thorough, I'm certainly convinced. Druisk should ideally redirect to an article about Druysk if/when created. – Ploni^💬  00:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• I think per above that deletion (or retargeting) is fine if there isn't a good current target with no objection to recreation if a suitable target is found or content added to one. (I voted keep in the earlier discussion.) Skynxnex (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Discrimination in Nova Scotiaedit]

• Discrimination in Nova Scotia → Medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from the general to the specific, the redirect is a much wider topic than the target. Fram (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom, was just about to nominate them for deletion myself. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

If I made a mistake then feel free to delete, I'm not contesting the redirect deletion. --MrHaligonian (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom, nothing to do with medical misconduct scandals implied from title BugGhost🪲👻 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. As far as I've been able to find, there isn't any suitable generic article to target (everything in category:Discrimination in Canada is too specific), although the existence of the category suggests such an article possibly should exist. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Bullying in Nova Scotiaedit]

• Bullying in Nova Scotia → Medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from the general to the specific, the redirect is a much wider topic than the target. Fram (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

If I made a mistake then feel free to delete, I'm not contesting the redirect deletion. --MrHaligonian (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Searching has not revealed the existence of any targets even worth considering (e.g. one of the top search results was a specific instance of bullying in a school in the Philippines). Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Harassment in Nova Scotiaedit]

• Harassment in Nova Scotia → Medical professional misconduct scandals in Nova Scotia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect from the general to the specific, the redirect is a much wider topic than the target. Fram (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

If I made a mistake then feel free to delete, I'm not contesting the redirect deletion. --MrHaligonian (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Aside from specific incidents related to (accusations of) harassment of or by people with connection to Nova Scotia (which are even less suitable as a target than the current one) the only thing sort of relevant I found by searching was the harassment policy of the RCMP which is on a par with the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 09:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

S.K. Umesh (Retired SP)edit]

• S.K. Umesh (Retired SP) → SK Umesh  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Retired SP" is not a reasonable unnecessary disambiguator. —Alalch E. 10:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

English Constitution Partyedit]

• English Constitution Party → 2022 Southend West by-election#Results  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Target has no information about this organisation Kevin McE (talk) 07:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep. It has the information that it has stood in at least one UK Parliamentary election. JASpencer (talk) 07:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

And the link can only be found in other places where it has stood/is standing in an election. One learns absolutely nothing about the party, its history, its policies or its leadership by following the link: it is an apparent link to details that are not provided. JASpencer is the user who created the redirect. Kevin McE (talk) 07:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - per WP:RETURNTORED - If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. BugGhost🪲👻 13:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per BugGhost, better to keep it as a red link for an article to be written in the future. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

google.bbedit]

• Google.bb → Google Search  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Google.co.bb → Google Search  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Tagged by CaribDigita in May but not correctly nominated. According to him, Can be deleted, site not online.. --MikutoH ^talk! 00:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Were these ever domains used by Google? If so, keep, if not, delete. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete No mention of those links in Google/DDG, and bb isn't even a valid top-level domain. Ca ^{talk to me!} 04:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment .bb is the real ccTLD for Barbados, so if these domains have existed (they don't now anyway), they must have been Google's mirrors for that country. google.ca (for Canada), google.de (for Germany) and many other parallel sites exist and follow the same pattern. Glades12 (talk) 06:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete As it became clear to me. Wikipedia is not a collection of links I was informed WP:NOTDIR so nominated it up for deletion because it probably doesn't pass the test. That redirect you mentioned sounds like it fails NOTDIR too. CaribDigita (talk) 16:38, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, no discernible evidence of existing or being used in any way ever and thus probably not useful. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 16:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metresedit]

• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 800 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 1500 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 5000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 10,000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 3000 metres steeplechase → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 4 × 100 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 4 × 400 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 100 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 200 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 400 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 800 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 1500 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 5000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 10,000 metres → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 3000 metres steeplechase → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 4 × 100 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 4 × 400 metres relay → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's marathon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 110 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 400 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's 20 kilometres walk → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's high jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's pole vault → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's long jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's triple jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's shot put → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's discus throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's hammer throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's javelin throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Men's decathlon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Men's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's marathon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 100 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 400 metres hurdles → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 20 kilometres walk → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's high jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's pole vault → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's long jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's triple jump → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's shot put → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's discus throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's hammer throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's javelin throw → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's heptathlon → Athletics at the 2024 Summer Olympics#Women's events  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete to encourage article creation, similar to all other individual event redirects created by a now-blocked user Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 00:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, valid article topic. Star Mississippi 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

June 16

Double Disc Album

• Double Disc Album → Double album  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Technically not useful as the redirect Double disc album (the correct spelling) already exists and MediaWiki isn't case sensitive. Killarnee (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

• ...what? I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place. Keep as MediaWiki is case-sensitive, and I'd recommend withdrawing unless you want to go against the precedent of the entirety of Category:Redirects from miscapitalisations. (WP:RCAPS is also worth mentioning). Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• I often use the URL bar to type in my searches, and if I make a capitalization error there outside of the first character, it doesn't take me to the correct place.
  Here's a tip: While the URL bar is case sensitive (and has to be; we have plenty of articles where case is relevant; see MAVEN vs Maven), the Search bar isn't, unless there are extant separate articles for each capitalization. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
  • I know that much, but it's a habit that's hard to break. I do it while knowing the search function is better; who's to say there's not people that do it while not knowing much about the search function? Besides, this excerpt from WP:RCAPS shows some other areas where case-sensitivity is important: While Wikipedia's search function is generally case-insensitive, these redirects aid linking from other articles and external sites. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 17:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Horror-Coreedit]

• Horror-Core → Horrorcore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Was created as a duplicate of article Horrorcore but couldn't find any sources (checked Ngram and Scholar too) for this spelling. Killarnee (talk) 22:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - redirects are cheap, unambigious where it's intending to go. If the redirect existed in the first place then the user wouldn't have gone to the trouble of trying to create a duplicate article. BugGhost🪲👻 13:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, plausible spelling variant that a reader could search for. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as plausible spelling variant. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - reasonable variant. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 22:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

2022 United Kingdom government formationedit]

• 2022 United Kingdom government formation → Truss ministry  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The page to which this page redirects mentions nothing about any formation. So this redirect is at this moment misleading. Dajasj (talk) 15:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: also ambiguous with the formation of the Sunak ministry. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Ambiguous between the Truss and Sunak ministries but not worth a disambig page. The search engine is well equipped to handle phrases like this. Glades12 (talk) 06:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per arguments above BugGhost🪲👻 13:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Men in the Philippinesedit]

• Men in the Philippines → Filipinos  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Doesn't look like a good redirect. Could not find other countries redirecting "Men in (country)" to their respective citizens and/or nationals. Sanglahi86 (talk) 14:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Several pageviews per month (600+ in the last year), and I can't find a better target. Appears to be useful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  Actually, Ca makes a good point about the current target. Delete. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete to encourage article creation. Per WP:R#DELETE #10, the current target provides no information about men in philippines in particular, only as a people. Deleting would encourage article creation for the counterpart of Women in the Philippines.

Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete per Ca. The topic is relevant and likely notable, so having a red link is better than sending the reader to a much wider topic that doesn't mention it in detail. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:REDLINK --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Pituophis melanoleucus melanoleucusedit]

• Pituophis melanoleucus melanoleucus → Pituophis melanoleucus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The subspecies of P. m. melanoleucus is distinct from P. melanoleucus; for example, see P. melanoleucus's range vs. P. m. melanoleucus's range. As a result it is harmful to have a redirect from one to the other; this would imply that they are the same. ReadItAlready (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as the Pituophis melanoleucus article is currently the best place to direct readers for information on P. melanoleucus ssp. melanoleucus. It distinguishes the subspecies of this snake and even describes differences in the ranges of the subspecies. ― Synpath 03:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep as a redirect from a subspecies. P. m. melanoleucus is included in P. melanoleucus, therefore it makes sense to redirect the former to the latter. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Zine Tsengedit]

• Zine Tseng → 3 Body Problem (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:RDEL#10. This redirect was created by an indef blocked user, and does not link to any article. The subject person has already landed a main role in a high-profile Netflix series and had multiple personal interviews, which suggests the article currently meets GNG on the borderline and once they receive another notable role, they will likely pass NACTOR as well. The subject person is very likely to warrant an independent article, while 3 Body Problem (TV series), a project they were involved in, has zero coverage of their life or career. Therefore, I think this redirect does not have a reason to exist and should be deleted per WP:RDEL. Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 10:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Vllatava Riveredit]

• Vllatava River → Vltava  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Multiple typos, implausible typo of plausible misspelling "Vlatava", unused, nonsense for native speaker, also "Vllatava" not found by global search. Should be deleted. —Mykhal (talk) 09:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

(Well, nonsense for native speaker subreason might be somewhat misleading, as the word Vltava itself does not have (other) meaning in current Czech, too.) —Mykhal (talk) 09:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom. BugGhost🪲👻 13:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movieedit]

• BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie → BoBoiBoy Galaxy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's no movie titled "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie". M S Hassan (talk) 08:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to BoBoiBoy: The Movie BugGhost🪲👻 13:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

There's no such thing as "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie", redirecting it to BoBoiBoy: The Movie is pointless. M S Hassan (talk) 09:27, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

There's no such thing as "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie" - I am aware - I am not suggesting creating an article with that title. I am suggesting a redirect to a different article because it is very likely where the user is attempting to go to - it is not pointless. BugGhost🪲👻 13:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to BoBoiBoy Movie 2. The BoBoiBoy franchise is split between the first TV series, simply titled BoBoiBoy, and the second series, titled BoBoiBoy Galaxy. While the first BoBoiBoy movie-- BoBoiBoy: The Movie-- came out right between and was meant to be a chronological bridge between the two series (and notably has a logo quite similar to the Galaxy logo, which does lend the idea that someone could slap the Galaxy moniker on it), BoBoiBoy Movie 2 came out during BoBoiBoy Galaxy, between its first and second seasons. If any movie gets to be "BoBoiBoy Galaxy: The Movie", I believe it's BoBoiBoy Movie 2. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

(Also, for the record, I'm not terribly opposed to retargeting to BoBoiBoy: The Movie-- as stated, it immediately preceded BoBoiBoy Galaxy and its logo does resemble Galaxy's logo more than the original series's logo-- and more than Movie 2's logo does, ironically enough. If everyone else believes that to be a better target, I'm not going to put up much fight.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to BoBoiBoy Movie 2, being the movie that came out during the Galaxy TV show run. Fieari (talk) 23:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

June 15

Islamic Salvation Party

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: the page is no longer a redirect

Draft:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering

• Draft:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering → User:Immanuelle/Draft Staggering  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Useless WP:XNR. The page obviously should have never been moved to draftspace in the first place as it is not a draft. No need to leave a redirect after moving it back to the correct namespace. (I wasn't sure if WP:G6 applied so here we are.) Nickps (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

• Yeah I'm fine with deletion here. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete I see no reason for this redirect to stick around. If the page didn't belong in draftspace, then this redirect shouldn't exist either. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment: There's at least tens of similar redirects. Assuming that this redirect gets deleted (for other reasons than G7), the other ones should presumably be deleted too, though I haven't individually checked each of them for substantial page history or pageview oddities. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Gaza death campedit]

• Gaza death camp → Gaza Strip  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete for obvious severe neutrality concerns. There's also "Gaza concentration camp" and "Gaza extermination camp" which I'm too lazy to include at the moment. Anonymous 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep or retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). We have lots of non-neutral redirects, and some of them are indeed quite offensive. But I don't see how these ones in particular do any harm. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 21:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete for NPOV, per nom. Longhornsg (talk) 20:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete or Retarget to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), per WP:RNEUTRAL, redirects do not need to be neutral. The term has seen some use [32][33], however I am not sure if it qualifies as common use. However my suggested retarget contains more information about deaths in Gaza strip. Ca ^{talk to me!} 08:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Good points, I've updated my vote. —Trilletrollet [ Talk | Contribs ] 08:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget as per Ca. As mentioned, WP:RNEUTRAL dictates that redirects do not need to be neutral; not only are redirects much harder to see (your average reader isn't going to use the "what links here" tool), but also, if someone were to use a non-neutral search term for whatever reason (for example, "hey, I've heard this term being batted around, what the heck are people talking about?"), we shouldn't keep them from reaching the information we have on the topic.

I agree that the Gaza Humanitarian Crisis article is a better target than Gaza Strip. However, barring the retarget, I would prefer keep over deletion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

However, Lunamann, in your example, the person would not actually learn anything about the term and simply be redirected to a vaguely relevant article. You are certainly right that being useful is more important than neutrality when it comes to redirects, but the fact that the redirect has had exactly one view barring yesterday, having been around for about a month, does not help its case on that end either. Anonymous 18:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget as per Ca. BugGhost🪲👻 12:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, at most this is a flowery epithet. It may not even be a single term, "death camp" serves as a descriptor for Gaza [34][35][36]. The term serves no navigational use as a redirect, anyone who knows about the Gaza strip would be searching for that, and anyone who is genuinely seeking it out as a term will only be obliquely helped by redirecting to the humanitarian crisis. Another consideration is that searching Gaza death camp without quotes on google brings up actual specific camps, such as the Sde Teiman detention camp, and it does seem a plausible descriptor for that too. CMD (talk) 07:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Skymont (microarchitecture)edit]

• Skymont (microarchitecture) → Cannon Lake (microprocessor)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Skymont → Cannon Lake (microprocessor)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete, deprecated, WP:CBALL, check the talk pages for the complete rationale Artem S. Tashkinov (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete – this redirect is definitely 'obsolete' as "Skymont" now officially refers to the E-core architecture used in Lunar Lake, see sources here: [37], [38], which is completely different to the Cannon Lake processor series. The "Skymont (microarchitecture)" redirect is especially misleading, as Cannon Lake is a microprocessor series, not a microarchitecture, which are two highly different things. Though, I should mention that this redirect doesn't need to be deleted per se for someone to create an article about the Skymont E-core architecture; you can just simply overwrite the redirect with an article. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and retarget to List of Intel CPU microarchitectures#Atom lines per anandtech and chipsandcheese establishing notability. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Hmm, that would work too, but isn't it better that we delete these redirects so they are redlinks, so article creation is further encouraged? When it's a blue link, people might think there's already an article on that link. — AP 499D25 (talk) 23:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

June 14

Partisan movement

• Partisan movement → Yugoslav Partisans  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to Partisan or Partisan (military). My impression is that "Partisan movement" is a generic concept that does not imply Yugoslavia. For example, it could refer to Italian partisans, among others. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep but add a hatnote. Searches indicate that the current target is the clear primary topic for this term, but there should be a hatnote either to an existing dab page or a new specific one. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to partisan, as this is a generic term, and this is not the Balkan-topics-only Wikipedia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Cat poisonedit]

• Cat poison → Cat#Poisoning  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's no content about cat poisons in the article, and very little about toxicity of foods to cats in either this article or Cat food. There's a couple sentence stub in the article history, but I doubt it would survive AFD in its current form, so I think this can just be deleted, because I don't see a good retargeting option that I can think of. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 21:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Could potentially redirect to Cat health#Toxic substances Traumnovelle (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I just missed that. Redirect to Cat health#Toxic substances. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 22:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget as per Traumnovelle and Skarmory. Anyone looking for what might be poisonous to cats via searching "cat poison" would be well served by this new target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Retarget per above, straightforward retarget. Ca ^{talk to me!} 05:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget per the above. Glades12 (talk) 06:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The target is obvious as above, but I just want to raise the point that it's possible this redirect is unethical. Someone searching this specific phrase is likely looking for the analog to "rat poison", as in, a substance to deliberately put out to kill cats... and it sits wrong with me that we would so quickly provide that information. I know, I know, wikipedia is not censored... just want to raise the concern here. Fieari (talk) 23:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Cat health#Toxic substances per above. Fieari's concern is appreciated although my GSearch seems to show that this term's result is mostly about what to do if you suspect you're cat has been poisoned. --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Pkiro Wrokestlingedit]

• Pkiro Wrokestling → Professional wrestling  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This title is not a plausible error for "professional wrestling", to put it mildly. My searches for "Pkiro Wrokestling" didn't turn up any meaningful results, though weirdly a Facebook account mentions it.

However, it would appear that this redirect has "non-trivial page history". Its original content is identical to a past version of the main article (01:06, 12 April 2008). My guess is that the user who created it was upset that their "professional wrestling is fake" version of the article had been reverted and decided to surreptitiously create a fork by messing up with the title. Anyway, while I agree that pro wrestling is not a genuine sport, delete this redirect for being patently implausible and for not having page history worth preserving. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Any substantial page history it has is, as noted, already preserved in the history of Professional wrestling. It's not a genuine sport because it's a theatre performance. Full-contact, no-holds barred, theatre. Calling it fake is like going to a stage play and calling Macbeth fake, like yeah, it is, but is that really the point?? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Stone Temple Pilots (1994 album)edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn.

List of celebrities in The Simpsons

• List of celebrities in The Simpsons → List of recurring The Simpsons characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The title seems ambiguous over whether it should refer to guest stars in the series (in which case it would redirect to List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 21–present)) or in-universe fictional characters who are celebrities (the current purpose of the redirect). Xeroctic (talk) 15:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambig no clear primary topic and at least three targets (the two listed above and List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 1–20)). Thryduulf (talk) 17:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Football at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Women's CAF qualificationedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Megabucks (slot machine)

• Megabucks (slot machine) → Slot machine#Linked machines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "Megabucks" at the target, meaning that this redirect is confusing or unnecessary. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to International Game Technology (1975–2015)#1975–1990. There are a few mentions of a Megabucks slot machines but this is the only one that contains any detail (albeit not a lot). Thryduulf (talk) 17:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Kelvin Limedit]

• Kelvin Lim → Kelvin Lim Hock Hin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect should be deleted, as all it serves is to redirect the Singaporean Basketball player Kelvin Lim to the completely unrelated criminal Kelvin Lim Hock Hin. There is no relation mentioned anywhere online or on Kelvin Lim Hock Hin's page. JubaTuba (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete, this is a WP:PTM and nom clearly lays out how it could be harmful. I will note that unless someone makes an actual page for Kelvin Lim, this issue will still persist in a form-- the search results pulled up by searching Kelvin Lim will still likely have Kelvin Lim Hock Hin at the very top of the list due to it being a partial title match. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The nom has not established notability of the basketball player. There's no case for REDLINK, since this is a valid alternate spelling of the name for the criminal. It is his "English name" in the Singaporean context. If the basketball player gets an article, then this can be revisited. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete for safety. If someone is named Kelvin Lim, it could be devastating if someone googled their name and got this page. This is a WP:BLP-adjacent issue. Fieari (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  • The current target article's person is named "Kelvin Lim", it's right there in the infobox. Does that mean we need to delete all redirects to all criminals? Make criminal biographies impossible to find? What if there's some other person who is named "Kelvin Lim Hock Hin without an article somewhere in the world? Does that mean we need to hide this biography? There are many people in the world who share names with criminals. That's just life. People get harrassed at airports all the time because they have the same name as someone on the no-fly list. These incidents sometimes show up on local news. WP:NOTCENSORED Wikipedia is not censored. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep because practically there was no other person on a Wikipedia article with the same name by the way. But I still understand your reasons (all of them are valid) to nominate this for deletion or something, and I accept it even if the result is delete. Alternatively if in the future, another Kelvin Lim made his way into Wikipedia as another unrelated article, I suggest we can still revive the redirect to include the same Kelvin Lims into a sort of disambiguation page. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: Besides, I checked the Wikipedia and search on Google, but I did not find a Wikipedia page about the Singaporean basketball player who got the same name. --NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
    • From the Team Singapore webpage [39] it appears the basketball player's name is Kelvin Lim Hong Da -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC) [fixed typo] -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep This person has an English given name "Kelvin" and a surname "Lim" and a Chinese given name "Hock Hin", thus this is a valid redirect from the "English name" rendering of his name "Kelvin Lim". It is a valid redirect. There is no other topic article on Wikipedia who uses this name. Alternately, disambiguate with Kelvin Lim Yong Sheng, a Singaporean field hockey player and silver medalist at the Field hockey at the 2007 SEA Games. Kelvin Lim Leong Keat, a sailor who won gold for Malaysia at the 2001 SEA Games, Kelvin Lim Kok Peng, a Singaporean zoologist, for which the species Tioman Island rock gecko (Cnemaspis limi) is named for. Kelvin Lim, the defence lawyer in the Orchard Towers double murders case and Koh Swee Beng case and Yishun triple murders and Murder of William Tiah Hung Wai case. Clearly the basketball player isn't more notable. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Is this basketball player also called Kelvin Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Kelvin Lim / Kelvin Hong Da Lim / Lim Hong Da / Hong Da Lim ? [40][41]. Because, that should be the name of the basketball player's article then, and not just "Kelvin Lim" -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep - per 64.229.90.32 and NelsonLee20042020. "Kelvin Lim" is a name that Kelvin Lim Hock Hin used - it's listed in "Other names" in the infobox, and he is referred to as just "Kelvin Lim" 5 times in the body of the article. Whether or not there's also a basketball player who has a similar name the redirect is valid and correct. If the basketball player ever becomes notable enough to get an article and it's also asserted that they are recognised by the name "Kelvin Lim", then maybe a disambiguation page can be created - but for now it's fine as-is. BugGhost🪲👻 11:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

June 13

Talk:COVID-19/Current consensus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Restore and mark historical

Kazakh Guide Association

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Matriotism

• British matriotism → Patriotism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Matriotism → Cindy Sheehan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Matriotism" not mentioned in target, let alone the British flavour. Matriotism itself redirects to Cindy Sheehan, where it is also not mentioned. This article claims she "founded a movement" called matriotism, but redirecting to her (American) article would not be appropriate for this redirect in any case.

Possibly Matriotism should be retargeted to Frances Payne Adler, the coiner of the term, and then British matriotism retargeted there as well? But that's a bit of a stretch. Overall, in favor of deletion of this redirect (and retargeting Matriotism). Rusalkii (talk) 20:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Rusalkii: I have taken the liberty of adding Matriotism to this nomination. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - Adler's claim is dubious at best. See this 1894 publication. Perhaps wikt:matriotism (uncapitalized) is the way to go (for 'matriotism'), as it also lists 1894 as the origin. Matriot does not exist. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete British matriotism as we have no good target. Crosswiki Matriotism to wiktionary, which was a very interesting read actually; the diverse cited meanings and dates for those citations kinda tell a story in and of themselves! Fieari (talk) 23:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Fieari: I prefer wikt:matriotism to wikt:Matriotism; I missed the former on my first look (good catch!). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 23:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed, the lower case one is better. Fieari (talk) 01:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Delete British matriotism and Retarget Matriotism crosswiki to Wiktionary as per Fieari, it gives more meaningful info on the word itself and its variable uses and there is little evidence for the word being directly related to any "movement" of Cindy Sheehan. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 16:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• As nom, support crosswiki retarget of Matriotism to wiktionary, good find. Rusalkii (talk) 21:43, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Peanut butter burgeredit]

• Peanut butter burger → Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I cannot find any references referring to the target as such. However, on third party search engines, I did find recipes for burger sandwiches containing peanut butter and a ground beef patty, which is not what the target article is about. Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean. It's the Elvis sandwich. The article is about that. They sold peanut butter burgers at Sonic Drive-In for a while there. It was just a variant of the Elvis sandwich. Here is where the article discusses peanut butter burgers. Noah Tall (talk) 05:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about you but around here peanut butter burgers have nothing to do with Elvis. It's your standard burger, but you replace the sauce/mayonaise/condiments with peanut butter. E.g. [42] "PEANUT BUTTER BURGER: Fresh beef patty, peanut butter (on both buns), lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles, cheddar cheese, and bacon."

Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not so sure, Noah. Here's an article about the Sonic peanut butter burger, and it clearly has a ground beef patty and no bananas in sight. Also, the "discussion" in the article regarding peanut butter burgers is a single sentence, which could be easily removed from the article without breaking the flow of the article, only states that "burgers done Elvis style have become increasingly popular in the United States", and whose only source given is this recipe for an Elvis burger. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Fourth mode of transportedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Intruder alert

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Ruby and Sapphire

• Ruby and Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ruby / Sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Ruby and sapphire → Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

it pains me to say this, but the pokémon games don't seem to be the primary topic for mentions of those two specific minerals together. torn on retargeting to garnet (steven universe) as she's a fusion of the characters known as ruby and sapphire, to the list of steven universe characters as it includes ruby and sapphire, or just deleting, but will lean towards retargeting to the list cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak keep Ruby and Sapphire as marginally the primary tropic for that capitalization (over the Steven character{s}). Retarget Ruby and sapphire to Corundum as the primary topic for that capitalization. Delete Ruby / Sapphire due to ill-formatting and ambiguity. Hatnote as appropriate. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Ruby / Sapphire and Retarget Ruby and sapphire as per Godsy; his argument as per Ruby / Sapphire being ambiguous and poorly formatted is sound, and the lowercase "sapphire" means that it shouldn't be taken to be a proper name. Keep with hatnote Ruby and Sapphire; while Garnet is and remains my favorite ship (and ship name) in all of media, I find the idea that she's Primary here (over the best-selling GBA title) to be a case of WP:RECENTISM. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate Ruby and Sapphire as there are multiple possible meanings. Retarget Ruby and sapphire to the disambiguation and delete the third one as oddly formatted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Ruby / Sapphire, ambiguously weird formatting. Keep Ruby and Sapphire, considering long-term cultural significance I think the Pokémon games win the primary topic here. Weak keep Ruby and sapphire, considering the non-proper case it could be retargeted to Corundum but I think the Pokémon games still stand. Generally I oppose making a disambiguation page as I don't think there are enough notable meanings to support it. TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 15:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate Ruby and sapphire and retarget the other two there. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

2024 Dublin Bay North by-electionedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Intruder Alert! Intruder Alert!

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Technical music

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bienver metal

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Under the influence of alcohol

• Under the influence of alcohol → Alcohol intoxication  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search query Mondtaler (talk) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Redirects are cheap, and this is unambiguous. Also, it doesn't seem like an unlikely search term IMO. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Under the influence. It got 15 views last year, not sure whether that is low or high but at least it is not zero. The name seems based on shortening driving under the influence of alcohol, so under the influence is a better target. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 17:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Under the influence (a dab page) per Mathnerd314159. Someone using this is equally likely to be looking for Alcohol intoxication or Driving under the influence, both of which are listed there. Thryduulf (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to DAB page as per Mathnerd and Thryduulf, while also tagging as Incomplete Disambiguation. I will admit, I was about to recommend that the redirect be kept as per Presidentman before I saw Thryduulf note that Under the influence was a DAB page. That said, even if you take "...of alcohol" as a disambiguator, that still leaves Alcohol intoxication and Driving under the influence as potential hits, both of which are near the top of the DAB page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - I normally like DABs as redirect targets, but this one has so many entries for unrelated albums and intoxication by means other than alcohol that I feel being targeted here might cause WP:SURPRISE. The trouble is that this really does have two potential targets: Alcohol intoxication or Driving under the influence, both of which are located at that DAB amidst everything else... but again, I'm worried that the weight of the "everything else" could cause confusion. Does anyone else think a mini-DAB with just those two links would be okay, or am I impugning the intelligence of potential wikipedia users by thinking they'd get confused here? Fieari (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, the thing is, both of the potential targets here are at the very top of the Under the influence DAB, separated by exactly one non-alcohol result (Altered state of consciousness, and even that DOES have information pertaining to alcohol-- after all, ethanol itself IS a drug). Add on the fact that I'm fairly certain most of the music/media links are using "Under the Influence" as a shorthand for "Under the Influence of Alcohol", and I'd say that it shouldn't cause too much confusion or surprise. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with your reasoning in opposing simply retargeting, but I still feel this term is unambiguous enough to warrant keeping as BugGhost elaborates on below. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - if a user searches "Under the influence of alcohol", its extremely likely they want Alcohol intoxication. There's no implication they're searching for anything related to driving (you can do anything "under the influence of alcohol") and the inclusion of "of alcohol" in the term means they weren't searching for drug-based intoxication, or any of the various topics that are simply called "Under the influence" listed on the Under the influence disambig page. BugGhost🪲👻 07:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  The reason someone might be looking for Driving under the influence is that "under the influence" is specifically the term used within a DUI, whereas it's not common to speak about intoxication in those terms outside the context of the law about "no drunk driving". But you're right that someone searching the term might be interested in general alcohol intoxication as well since they expressly dropped the "driving" part of the search... which is why we've been suggesting disambiguation. Both possibilities are there for what the searcher wants. Fieari (talk) 23:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  I understand your suggestion, but this might just be a cultural thing - to me "under the influence" isn't a phrase that is linked to driving. I am aware that in North America drunk-driving is called DUI, but that isn't (as far as I am aware) a global term. There's no reason to assume they they expressly dropped the "driving" part of the search, for the same reason you can't assume anyone who went to Sandwich really was searching for Ham sandwich and but dropped the word "ham". There are a lot of usage of "under the influence of alcohol" that have no relation with driving - eg. this Nature article: [43], this Forbes article [44], this article by The Conversation: [45] - all of these directly relate to Alcohol intoxication. "Under the influence of alcohol" is a direct synonym with "Alcohol intoxication" - a redirect to any other article (or disambiguation page), in my eyes, would be incorrect. BugGhost🪲👻 14:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to the dab per Mathnerd314159. The reader is looking for context of "Under the influence" and can reasonably sort out three or four entries at the top of the dab and decide what he wants. Jay 💬 02:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Electric Turboedit]

• Electric Turbo → Porsche Taycan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Porsche Taycan 'Turbo' models don't actually have a turbocharger, it's just a namesake for a higher-performance model of a car. In that sense, it's kinda misleading. I did a google search, and 'electric turbo' doesn't seem to be a common nickname for the Taycan Turbo models either. Now, looking at retarget options, there does exist electric supercharger (I know technically there's no such thing as an "electric turbo" but that's what {{R from incorrect name}} is for), but having a look at that article, there also exists electrically-assisted turbocharger, so I'm not sure where to retarget it to. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambig between electrically-assisted turbocharger and electric supercharger. The term seems to be used for both. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to electrically assisted turbocharger - most logical destination for someone searching the term. --Sable232 (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 17:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate the term can also refer to electric-motor-assist power boost (ie. hybrid vehicle with electric assist drive mode, to add power to the gasoline engine's power output) as "turbo" can just refer to a power boost. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 07:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Szökésedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Conjunctival pallor

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Anagrams as establishment of priority

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Hurt (Witt Lowry song)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

June 12

Orange star

• Orange star → Orange Star  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Retarget to K-type main-sequence star per WP:DIFFCAPS and WP:PTOPIC: the star type is far more important and has more long-term significance. Cremastra (talk) 21:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambig. There is no clear primary topic on Wikipedia, with both current and proposed targets being in use alongside Multiple working#First-generation. On Google there is a clear primary topic but it's plants not any of the preceding. Looking closer there are at least three different types referred to an Aglaonema, Ornithogalum dubium and a Hosta cultivar. Thryduulf (talk) 22:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to K-type main-sequence star Stellar classification#Class K per WP:DIFFCAPS and WP:PTOPIC. For the plant names above... if the google hits Thryduulf mentioned qualify as WP:RS, then the information should be added, and Orange Star (with the title case) should be made into the disambiguation page (and a hatnote on the K-type main-sequence star should link to it). However, without the title case, I don't think the plant names would really count here, and capitalization matters. This is reliant on the google hits being reliable sources, however. Currently, closest mention is that Ornithogalum dubium says it is sometimes called a "sun star", not an orange star. Fieari (talk) 23:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  It doesn't matter whether uses of a term are in reliable sources or not, only that they are used. In the case of most of the hits I have no idea if they are reliable or not (it's not a topic area I'm familiar with) however the Royal Horticultural Society is definitely reliable. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  If it was a matter of being a redirect directly to one of the flowers, I'd agree that a reliable source is not needed, just evidence of use... but for creating a user-facing disambiguation page, I'd think we do need a reliable source. (Please correct me if I'm wrong though, I try to be aware of wikipedia policy, but I don't know everything.) Certainly we'd need a reliable source to put it in the articles directly, and it would be flat-out weird to have a disambiguation page pointing to an article that didn't mention what the DAB says. Fieari (talk) 23:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  I've left at note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening. Hopefully editors there will be able to assist, although it doesn't give the opinion of being very active. Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: if this redirect is retargeted, it should point to Stellar classification#Class K as {{R from avoided double redirect}}, because K-type star redirects there. Because the title of the redirect is 'Orange star' and not 'Orange main-sequence star' or 'Orange dwarf', this could also refer to subgiant, giant or supergiant stars, so it should not specifically target K-type main-sequence star and should go to K-type star (or in this case where K-type star redirects). InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 16:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  Good point! I'll adjust my !vote above. Fieari (talk) 23:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• I watch at the horticulture and gardening project, and I came here from Thryduulf's note. My impression is that the plant names, as common names, are not as useful as search terms as the Latin binomials, so I would go with retargeting the redirect according to the astronomy nomenclature, whatever that may be. It might be fairly common to refer to the Ornithogalum that way, but I think it would be somewhat atypical for Aglaonema, and downright bizarre for Hosta. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate, with Orangestar, and with a see also section for at least Orange knobby star, Orange Rising Star Award, Orange sun star, and Orange County Blue Star. BD2412 T 20:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Note: I have begun a disambiguation page for this purpose at Orange star (disambiguation). BD2412 T 20:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
  • @Cremastra, Thryduulf, Fieari, InterstellarGamer12321, and Tryptofish: - thoughts? This could be moved to Orange star, or kept at the disambiguation title with a hatnote from wherever "Orange star" is targeted. BD2412 T 20:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
    • I like that DAB page. I sort-of like the second idea, of keeping it as a DAB page and using hatnotes, but I think that depends on what the astronomy-oriented editors think about what should be the primary topic, and I'll defer to them. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
    • My feeling is that the star is still likely the WP:PTOPIC, but there should be a hatnote linking to the very good DAB you've made there. (A section hatnote in this case, since the star redirect points to a specific section.) Fieari (talk) 23:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

      The evidence from my searching is that there is no primary topic. The dab should be at the base name. Thryduulf (talk) 09:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate which would now entail moving BD2412's disambiguation onto this redirect. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Doug Lawrenceedit]

• Doug Lawrence → Mr. Lawrence  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Per the page view comparison of the current target, the nominated redirect, and Doug Lawrence (jazz) (which I have since moved to Doug Lawrence (musician), which is now included in the page view analysis), it really does not seem as though readers searching "Doug Lawrence" are intending to locate Mr. Lawrence. I'd recommend disambiguate since it is not clear that readers are looking for the jazz musician either. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate, especially as there is also a third person, Douglas Lawrence, who could/should be included on a dab page. This person is an organist, which might explain the "(jazz)" disambiguator. Rosbif73 (talk) 13:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  ...And Doug Lawrence (musician) moved to Doug Lawrence (jazz musician) because of this. I also updated the pageview analysis link to include the new title. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  ...And Doug Lawrence (disambiguation) created, now that there are >2 possible targets; the page can be moved to the redirect's title if the consensus is to disambiguate. Steel1943 (talk) 20:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

French-speakers outside of Quebecedit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 20#French-speakers outside of Quebec

Ragnarock music

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Untitled Beetlejuice sequel

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Raisi

• Raisi → Ebrahim Raisi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Raisi (disambiguation) → Ebrahim Raisi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

A quick explainer on the history of this redirect: Initially, Raisi had been a redirect to Raisi, Razavi Khorasan (an article about a tiny village). Later on, I moved the article to its present title, intending to disambiguate the base title. However, I then noticed that Raisi (disambiguation) already existed, so I made a request at WP:RM/TR, which was promptly fulfilled. Thus, Raisi became a dab page, with Raisi (disambiguation) a redirect to it. In the last chapter of this saga, IP user 2601:646:8003:6B20:894E:7841:319C:88CA redirected the page to Ebrahim Raisi, so the page Raisi (disambiguation) was automatically retargeted as well. However, since it has (disambiguation) in the title, it's eligible for deletion under G14 if kept as is.

I see two (or maybe three) options out of this strange pickle:

• Firstly (and what I advocate), we could restore the dab page at Raisi, and retarget Raisi (disambiguation) to Raisi. This restores the previous status quo.
• Secondly, we could have Raisi as a redirect to Ebrahim Raisi, and Raisi (disambiguation) be the dab page. I have at least two issues with this: firstly, that Ebrahim Raisi might not pass ten year test, despite his newfound fame due to his death. Plus, here's also the technical history of attribution when dabbing Raisi (disambiguation). However, if there's enough support for it, I could see this work.
• Thirdly, and the option I'd oppose the most, we keep Raisi, speedy delete Raisi (disambiguation), and handle disambiguation via some sort of massive hatnote(s) on the article Ebrahim Raisi. The reason I'd oppose this so much is because the hatnote(s) would have to be enormous - the previous dab page had ten entries, plus one see also.

Anyways, yeah, this is complicated.

Duckmather (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Option 1: Restore Raisi as a disambiguation page. Ibrahim Raisi was not primarily known by that name, so WP:DABPARTIAL applies. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 23:47, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• I think option 2 is best. The late president is certainly the primary topic here and most likely was even before his death. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 12:24, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Option 2, even if the president doesn't hold that much power compared to the Supreme Leader, he is still the primary topic here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• If the hatnote on top of the village article is actually correct, and there is substantial ambiguity about what a toponym of "Raisi" means in Iran, we should keep a disambiguation list. The location of the list, whether at the base name or separately, depends on whether the average English reader strongly associates the term with the person. It looks like we already have articles about Heshmat Raisi and Ahmed Naser Al-Raisi, so this word is not uncommon in anthroponymy. I'd err on the side of caution and put disambiguation at the base name, and observe traffic patterns for a few months afterwards. If we see that the preponderance of readers go for the single person, then we go for the redirect. Because of the recent death of the proposed primary topic, there's obvious WP:Recentism here. --Joy (talk) 11:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I just noticed that old content of the Raisi disambiguation page lists even more people, and has for a couple of years before this recent incident. [46] had no edit summary whatsoever and should have been reverted first. --Joy (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

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Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connoredit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

IRC +10414

• IRC +10414 → IRC −10414  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Procedural listing; a previous RfD was closed with a consensus to retarget, but InTheAstronomy32 has reverted this. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep as a misspelling. I changed the redirect target because i believe that 'IRC +10414' is a misspelling of IRC -10414 and is the better redirect target so far. An article about this star likely will be never created due to notability issues. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Two-Micron Sky Survey per previous RFD. IRC +10414 refers to this star, not IRC -10414, which is this star. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete This was never an article, and it isn't mentioned at either target. No pageviews in the last month. I really don't see how this redirect is helpful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Agreed with Presidentman here and Kusma from the prefious RfD, but I'd like to add that the naming scheme of the star is very intentional (from Two-Micron Sky Survey: index consists of two numbers - declination rounded to multiplier of 10 degrees, with sign, and star ordinal number within declination band) and if you typo the sign you should expect to be taken to a different star or nowhere. ― Synpath 23:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Retarget per the consensus of arguments in the previous RfD, which I find more compelling than the alternatives. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete, not mentioned at Two-Micron Sky Survey, and people looking for the other star and making the typo might believe that the star actually doesn't have a standalone article, while a red link can be more indicative of them having made a typo. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete it isn't a usable misspelling since it is a different star. That star is not currently in Wikipedia. so either stub up an article, or delete the redirect -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

  An article about IRC +10414 is likely to be never created, it is just a faint Mira variable that fails WP:NASTRO. Deleting also would not be helpful, it is better to retain this page as a redirect to IRC -10414 since it is a plausible misspelling. 21 Andromedae (talk) 19:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Note to closers that user 21 Andromedae was formerly called InTheAstronomy32 alluded to in the nomination, and who voted under the former name. Jay 💬 03:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Metal (group)edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

बालवीर

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Wikipedia:Michael Aarons

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete (G6) as unambiguously created in error

Bible Videos

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 20#Bible Videos

June 11

Rich young man

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

2025 United Kingdom general election

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Toyotathon

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

American Evacuation Day

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The Stand Off

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 20#The Stand Off

Mika Model (film)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Mimi from Rio (film)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Lady Business

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Ryland Adams

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Kahru

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Valinor Hills Station

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Internet Phone Operating System

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Apple Internet Phone Operating System

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Bush Derangement Syndrom

• Bush Derangement Syndrom → Public image of George W. Bush#Bush Derangement Syndrome neologism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The redirect pages Bush Derangement Syndrome and Bush derangement syndrome already exist, though when I type "Bush derangement" into the search bar, only the redirect with the misspelt title is listed, and I have to finish typing "syndrome" into the search bar in order for either of the correctly-spelt redirects to appear. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I added {{R from misspelling}} so if it is kept, it'll be categorized better. (I'm leaning weak keep since in general off-by-one misspellings can be useful although omitting trailing letters matter a bit less in general.) Skynxnex (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Extremely low utility. (3 non-RfD views in 90 days). Clearly this is not a common misspelling for such a long title. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Given Bush Derangement Syndrome and Bush Derangement Syndrom link to the same place, the fact that the misspelling appears and the correct title doesn't in the search bar is... okay-ish? Where it's NOT okay is the autocomplete feature in our editor-- if I type [[Bush Derange into the editor, it ALSO only pops up with Bush Derangement Syndrom, which is... considerably more annoying, as you then have to go back and fix the erroneous link. ...Does tagging as Misspelling impact that? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Low utility typo that makes it harder to list the proper titles. Jay 💬 03:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Drake LaRocheedit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 18#Drake LaRoche

Hendrik Sal-Saller

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Kristian Taska

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Blagger

• Blagger → Social engineering (security)#Pretexting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was flagged up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Searching for "Blagger" currently redirects to a page with no mention of the word. by user:Oathed with the comment seems weird that it doesn't link or disambig to Blagger (video game). Not sure how to mark a page for "Disambig page needed". At the very least this does need a hatnote to the video game, but I'm not acutally sure the video game isn't the primary target. Neither the present target nor Pretexting (linked as the main article) use the term. The only other uses I'm finding (Blaggers ITA (formerly known as The Blaggers) and The Blaggers Guide would be at most see-alsos on a dab page.
The video game article was created at this title but moved in March 2018 by Zxcvbnm with the summary "Merge, in order to disambiguate" but they just changed the redirect target and added a hatnote. The hatnote was removed without explanation by an IP in 2020, but the mention of "blagging" had been removed in July 2018 as part of a cull of unreferenced information by Michaelgt123. None of "blag", "blagging" or "blagger" has ever been included in the Pretext article. Thryduulf (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete and move Blagger (video game) to it.

The redirect made at least some sense at the time it was created. The article Pretext, as it appeared at the time, was about the general well-understood meaning of a "pretext"; a reason given in justification of a course of action that is not the real reason. It had only a single paragraph describing the social engineering trick.

Meanwhile, the article Social engineering (security), as it appeared at the time, in the section Pretexting, said "Pretexting..., also known in the UK as blagging". So that made at least some sense as a target (although even then, I think the video game article would have been a more appropriate target).

The video game seems pretty clearly to be the primary use for "Blagger"; if the "blagging" text is re-added to the Social engineering (security) article (as it probably should, there seems to be sufficient documentation of that, e.g., [47] at the BBC), it can be dealt with by ordinary disambiguation (hatnote or a Blagger (disambiguation) page, as appropriate). TJRC (talk) 02:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• The page mover / redirect creator Zxcvbnm was notified in the nomination, however I have just notified at the talk page as well. Jay 💬 11:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate "Blagging" is another term for social engineering (see here and here). If that isn't the primary topic, then it should be disambiguated between social engineering (security) and the game, not have the game moved back here. That would be the height of folly when it could simply be re-added with a single sentence referenced to a reliable source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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Delete, move Blagger (video game) to it, then add a hatnote. "Blagging" is an informal term in UK that has similarities to social engineering, but it's not quite the same thing - it's just a phrase that sort of means "bullshitter", someone who can make up lies quickly - social engineers will blag, but not all blaggers are social engineers. For example most improv comedians are good blaggers, but that doesn't mean they are doing anything nefarious. Seeing as Blagger (video game) exists, it should be the primary topic. BugGhost🪲👻 13:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The Big One (earthquake)edit]

• The Big One (earthquake) → San Andreas Fault#The next .22Big One.22  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 28 § The Big One (earthquake) – keep

Previously discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 28#The Big One (earthquake). However, multiple sources prove that "The Big One" does not only refer to the anticipated mega-quake in Los Angeles, but also refers to a similar feared one that can devastate Metro Manila, the Philippines. Here are some of the reliable sources that prove "The Big One" is not just a U.S. thing: from Rizal Medical Center, from DOST, from Inquirer.net, from Manila Bulletin, from a World Bank blog, from Philippine Star, and from Manila Standard Today. This redirect should be made as a disambiguation page. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate: Agree with nomination. Not everything is about the US and if there are WP:RS demonstrating the terms usage in reference to other occurrences then this redirect should be made as a disambiguation page. TarnishedPath^talk 10:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Anyone feel like drafting a disambiguation page? It seems' nobody's willing to do it, hence delete by default. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Pppery: why would/should delete be the "default" choice? It's not a "disambiguation or delete" binary, there's a strong case to make that the San Andreas Fault is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this term regardless of other uses. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  At the time I made that comment there was a consensus to disambiguate. If nobody is willing to write a disambiguation page then the closest way of implementing that agreement would be to delete and let search results perform the role of disambiguation. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep without prejudice to disambiguation. I can't find any mentions of this term being used on Wikipedia to refer to anywhere other than California. If that changes then we can disambiguate but until then keeping is best. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Thryduulf the sources at Marikina Valley Fault System use the term, but for some reason the "Big One" is not mentioned in the article itself. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 12:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  That lack of mention in that article (and other articles) is exactly why I made the recommendation I did. Thryduulf (talk) 12:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. "The Big One" is discussed at the current article but not in other articles. If there is discussion elsewhere, then we can consider other targets. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep until such time as mention of "The Big One" is added to other faultlines or earthquakes or other articles that would merit disambiguation. At such time, no objection to creating said disambiguation page, but until then, this is the WP:PTOPIC and all the information we have on anything called "The Big One". Fieari (talk) 03:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The anticipated 'megathrust' earthquake in the Cascadia subduction zone predicted to affect British Columbia, Washington state and Oregon is also referred to as the "Big One" or sometimes "Really Big One". References at Cascadia subduction zone refer to a "Big One" as well and so a DAB page might be created, but there is no mention of a "Big One" in the main text of the article. Some recent links: Global News, University of British Columbia blog, Weather Network, Canadian Geographic, CTV News. ― Synpath 02:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Chhota Bheem 1edit]

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2024 Sonsio Grand Prix at the Indiapolis Motor Speedway

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Unused already-merged Bio_coatrack et al

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2022 Ohio abortion of a 10-year old

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Virgini

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Notcoin

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Restore and AfD

June 10

Factory owner

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Hummingbird Salamander (film)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Dorothy & Alice

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The Waffle House has found its new host

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

EMBO journal & reports

• EMBO journal & reports → The EMBO Journal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

XY redirect. The subject is The EMBO Journal or EMBO Reports, not both. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• I want to say delete, as what little content this page previously had is reflected in the current, separate articles, and the old references are broken links to the Nature website. However, I vaguely remember there being licensing reasons to keep old page histories for attribution. Retarget to European Molecular Biology Organization#Conferences and journals may be the way to go if that's right. ― Synpath 04:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

  There's nothing in that redirect's history that was ported over the other articles. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

  Taking another look, I see that now - striking retarget suggestion and delete. Thanks ― Synpath 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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• The history should be merged to EMBO Reports. It seems to fit cleanly there. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as ambiguous. However nothing in the redirect appears to be copied to other articles? Still, I don't know much about guidelines regarding histmerges, so I don't have any opinions of it. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge history and delete: the title which is listed here at RFD is implausible and ambiguous, but the target title best describes the info of these two titles. Intrisit (talk) 19:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Barood (2003 film)edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Terrible Secret of Space

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Papa Emeritus 2

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 18#Papa Emeritus 2

Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTION

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Emigration from North Korea

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17#Emigration from North Korea

Carpenters

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Nicktoons (TV network)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Nicktoons (TV channel)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

㌽

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Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD

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Druisk

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June 8

Bui Quoc Huy

• Bui Quoc Huy → Bùi Quang Huy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect is protected, discussion created on behalf of 2600:6C44:117F:95BE:9460:4DA2:ADC1:9976. Their request was the following: Bui Quoc Huy and Bùi Quang Huy are 2 different names in Vietnamese. They're not interchangeable names. Bui Quoc Huy page should not be a redirect page. It should be deleted and applied article creation protection afterwards due to persistent sock activities in the past. Those socks have been trying to write a PR article on Bui Quoc Huy for years in Vietnamese Wikipedia too. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Smagzine for more information. This page is a direct result of a sock master. It was later turned into a redirect page. Tollens (talk) 19:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom unless someone can give a convincing reason for keeping. These appear to be completely different names, so I can't see why we would redirect one to the other. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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@Discospinster, Doomsdayer520, Onel5969, and Seraphimblade: pinging the participants and closer of the AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 17:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• There were too many moves happening. Pinging Materialscientist and Rosguill to throw some light. Jay 💬 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  So, for some reason the first move by Alexcreatorcaa to hijack Bùi Quang Huy ended up deleted from the page history (Special:Undelete/Bùi_Quang_Huy) and instead we just see their subsequent moves through Wikipedia space and back. It seems that other than the attempted hijack, there is no reason for there to be a redirect between these names, and we have no obligation to preserve the sockpuppet's edits, so delete seems appropriate. I think the AfD discussion erred in presuming that the redirect was somehow useful. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Template:Wikiproject WikiProject Colombian Departmentsedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Template:WikiProject WikiProject Religious Buildings, Architecture and Monasticism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted by MSGJ

Hornless unicorn

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

June 7

Various old redirects by Ecksemmess

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Shivani Pawar ( Indian Wrestler )

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Simone (singer)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Partisan movement

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Aeia

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

P♯

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Pelican Island (Western Australia) (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Jog Road

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Discrimination against women

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Office Shūji Abe

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

GWR network

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Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.

• Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven. → Andrew Jackson  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are numerous variations of what the subject apparently said on his death bed, with only some close to this topic title. That said, I can't see how two full sentences would ever be a useful search term and it isn't even the one used in the subject's article. I'd question it even if the quote was closer to what is most commonly reported. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. As OP explains, it's a highly improbable search term. I'll add that nothing in article space links to it. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 17:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Agreed with the rationale presented by Bungle and Hydrangeans. --ARoseWolf 17:43, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. An article on this topic is clearly a problem in multiple ways.

With respect to where the sense of the quote probably came from:

The most authoritative secondary source is Remini. His in-depth three volume biography as saying: Where is my daughter and Marion, God will take care of you for me. I am my God’s. I belong to him, I go but a short time before you, and I want to meet you all in heaven, both white and black. Then a bit later...What is the matter with my Dear children, have I alarmed your Oh, do not cry—be good children and we will all meet in heaven.

Remini's primary source is a letter written by Andrew Jackson Jr. to Alfred Nicholsen, which was written 9 days after Andrew Jackson, Sr.'s death. A version of this letter is available in JSTOR from the 1947 Tennessee Historical Quarterly.

An early alternative is from Jackson's first biographer, Parton, who published his work in 1860, 15 years after Jackson's death. He quotes Hannah Jackson as stating: Be good children, and we will all meet in heaven. Wtfiv (talk) 22:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Refine to § "Later life and death (1837–1845)". I'm a bit confused by the rationales here. This is a verifiable variant of a quote that is mentioned in the article. What's implausible about that? Someone could recall the quote, start typing it in, and be led to this article either by search suggestions or results either on-wiki or on an external search engine. However, since the phrase won't come up if typed literatim into ctrl+f, this should be refined to the relevant section. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 17:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Refine per Tamzin. There may be several variations, but this exact quote comes up in many websites - quotefancy, azquotes, quotescosmos, tvtropes, goodreads. Jay 💬 18:21, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirects misusing the sharp symboledit]

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----

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Hirzayi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

The social brain hypothesis

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Ford Pinto Pangra

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

June 5

Wikipedia:BOOKLINKS

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Tom (programming language)

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Macra (rivers)

• Macra (rivers) → Macra (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Macra (rivers) (disambiguation) → Macra (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

As far as I can see, there's only one river known (in Roman times) as Macra, and that's Magra (and even that claim is unsourced). I've removed a claim at the translated page Maira (river) because it isn't present in the source of the translation [[48]]. And anyway Macra (river) is red, so delete both these redirects. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep but fix articles if needed. The Magra we can see from Lib Congress subject headings. The Maira was also known as the Macra and the Merula according to A Geographical Dictionary. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 19:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC).
  
• Delete we don't have plural qualifiers for things in the singular even if there were multiple rivers with this name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

  It's a redirect so that concern shouldn't apply. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC).
  

  Having a plural redirect to the DAB may suggest to readers there is an article about multiple rivers. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

  So a random reader is looking at the DAB page, clicks "what links here" and, because he sees a plural parenthetical disambiguator, makes an assumption that there will be a page about multiple rivers on the disambiguation page he has left. Seems very unlikely to me. However we could redirect to section where that section is "Rivers". This seems to be pure in the sense that we would redirect "Mayors of Foo" to a mayors section on Foo if there was one, or a list of mayors of Foo, or a dab page, or section of a dab page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 17:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC).
  

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• 1) Keep, 2) Delete per WP:R#HARMFUL b/c the first link contains non-trivial edit history. Special:Diff/232665485 contains the (unsourced) claim that Macra is the Latin name of these rivers, which seems likely to be correct and is not reflected in any of the sources before us. Kudos to Rich Farmbrough for finding what sources we have. Daask (talk) 22:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete both as we do not have any articles about a collective group of rivers named "Macra". Steel1943 (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Karli Smithedit]

• Karli Smith → Indianapolis FedEx shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Samaria Blackwell → Indianapolis FedEx shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• John Weisert → Indianapolis FedEx shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Amarjit Sekhon → Indianapolis FedEx shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Jasvinder Kaur → Indianapolis FedEx shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Amarjeet Johal → Indianapolis FedEx shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Victims of a shooting generally do not have articles unless they become notable in their own right. It isn't appropriate to associate a search term of their names with an event which took their life. The individuals would already appear in search results on the event article without the need of an explicit redirect. I am unsure if there is specific policy around this, as WP:VICTIM merely mentions outright articles specifically. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

well other victims of shootings typically get redirected to the shooting article. Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting for example. Victims such as Allison Wyatt, Grace McDonnell etc have redirects. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 12:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Your argument that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is poor and is not in itself a reason why the aforementioned should be kept as redirects. We have to ask for what benefit and purpose does an article or redirect serve in its existence? I don't see any value in these redirects and as the victims are all deceased, cannot decide themselves if they'd want their identities associated with such an atrocity. I don't see any policy specific to this circumstance, which is probably why there is no agreed precedent. Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

well like i said, most articles on mass tragedy events have redirects with the victims names. If you think its morally wrong or u dont agree with it, you should make this a bigger discussion and not just solely on the FedEx shooting. Elizzaflanagan221 (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I hear what you're saying, but a poor existing precedent (generally speaking) isn't necessary justification to pursue further of a similar nature. That is the reason I brought them to rfd, as it's a community decision, not solely my own view. As for the bigger discussion, maybe it is warranted, but it's quite a minefield and this only concerns these redirects yet to be reviewed. If the consensus is to keep, then it's a moot point anyway, though in such a scenario i'd hope to see a better rationale than "others exist too". Bungle ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Existing precedent is the primary source of policies and guidelines, assuming that the policies Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not are to be believed. If we have no written rule against it, and it is frequently done, then it probably is the community's normal practice to do this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. I'm surprised there isn't a clear policy on this. We should be guided by WP:RPURPOSE. If the victim's name is widely known enough that "Killing of EXAMPLE" is a plausible article title and existing redirect, then I accept a redirect from "EXAMPLE" as well, because it is a plausible way that a reader might search for the relevant article, eg. Philando Castile, Jeff Doucet. Otherwise, I think we should avoid these redirects. I hold this position even, and maybe even especially, if the person is approaching notability for an article in their own right for reasons unrelated to their death. If there are other relevant articles on their life apart from their death, we don't want to usurp those by redirecting rather than showing search results. Daask (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Stubby (Pokémon)edit]

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Magburn

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Arzeus

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Zoznam.sk

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Croangunk

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Bunkin Bonuts

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Untitled Guy Ritchie project/film

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Untitled Beetlejuice sequel

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LGBTP

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Geegle Earth

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June 4

Technogypsie

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Raisi

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INDIA

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Surfjam Steve

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Kakaka

• Kakaka → Evil laughter  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Kakaka isn't necessarily an evil laugh, as much as kekeke or jajaja aren't. It is an onomatopoeia of kkk in Brazil, derived from quá-quá-quá, according to Wiktionary. Soares2000 (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. I can't find good targets here at en.wiki. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment LOL#Commonly_used_equivalents_in_other_languages, is a possibility, but I feel like it is a stretch. Ca ^{talk to me!} 07:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• If someone can substantiate/source the kkk -> kakaka thing in Brazil, add it to LOL#Commonly_used_equivalents_in_other_languages and Retarget there. Otherwise, delete. Fieari (talk) 07:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

  wiktionary has nothing on a direct link between "kkk" and "kakaka" besides an unsourced, unquoted example on "ka", experience in brazil tells me people do not want to type more letters. if you want to argue in favor of "ka" as a phonetic spelling of the letter k in portuguese, go ahead, i guess. either way, weak retarget to lol if it can be proven that anyone uses it, delete otherwise cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment purely in academic interest - there actually was an AfD in 2005 where the closer made a bold decision to redirect. Jay 💬 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Sweartgaredit]

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Stressed out

• Stressed out → Stressed Out (disambiguation)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect has targeted Psychological stress, Stressed Out (disambiguation) and Stressed Out, the Twenty One Pilots song. Its was pointing to the DAB from 2019 until last month and I changed it back to the DAB today. In terms of the discussions it seems there is a consensus that the Twenty One Pilots song is primary for the title case version per WP:DIFFCAPS, see discussions at Talk:Stressed Out and an older one at Talk:Stressed Out (A Tribe Called Quest song)#Requested move 26 November 2015. In terms of Psychological stress I understand we aren't a dictionary but at the same time it could be argued that its safest to disambiguate the lower case. In terms of the options, option A, target Twenty One Pilots song, option B, target DAB, option C, target Psychological stress. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

• B either the generic meaning or Twenty One Pilots song could be primary so its probably best to have no primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
• Option A, revert back to Stressed Out. This is the primary topic, and was the target of the Stressed out redirect until an undiscussed edit by User:Crouch, Swale in 2019.[49] Previous RMs discussing Stressed Out (Twenty One Pilots song) and Stressed Out (A Tribe Called Quest song) are not relevant to the lowercase Stressed out. I see no evidence for DIFFCAPS here; all the articles at the Stressed Out (disambiguation) dabpage are spelled with both capital letters. 162 etc. (talk) 22:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

  @162 etc.: The closer of the 1st RM Special:Diff/694445799 created a redirect to Stress (psychological) in 2015 and it was changed to the DAB page in 2016 and ended up targeting the Twenty One Pilots song as it was moved to the base name in September 2016 which seems to have been an error from the page move or just people not thinking DIFFCAPS was appropriate. It was changed back to the DAB by me in 2019 and stayed this way until last month when you changed it to the Twenty One Pilots song. I then changed it back to the DAB. So the undiscussed change to target the Twenty One Pilots song need discussion here as it could arguable be changed back to the original target. If all the uses were upper case and Psychological stress didn't exist I agree the default would be to follow the primary topic title case but there is a generic meaning though as noted I'm not sure how likely it is. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• A per 162. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 13:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
• C with a hatnote to the disambiguation page. At this capitalisation, and capitalisation matters, my judgement is that most readers are looking for the feeling of psychological stress and not a song. There's no merit in B because all the entries on the dab page are Title Case. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
• With fewer than one hit per day on average, no incoming links and no article that would actually be titled "stressed out", it could really be deleted (option D, anyone?). Although capitalization certainly does matter, it's also true searchers often do skip using the shift key. If "stressed out" really were a likely alternative search term for "psychological stress", I'd say proper capitalization wins out, but I don't see many readers expecting that, and I'd hate to put a hatnote on psychological stress pointing to list of songs, so I'd avoid option C. And just as we shouldn't assume searchers skipping the shift key want a lower-case article, we also shouldn't assume they want the upper-case title, even though with a hatnote already on Stressed Out, that's less of an issue. So option A is reasonable, but because capitalization matters and because we can't say with certainty what most of the tiny number of readers landing on the redirect want, absent deletion I lean toward option B. Station1 (talk) 06:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

  Should Stressed out be deleted, typing "stressed out" in search would result in a reader reaching the page at Stressed Out. This means that "option D" would result in the same thing as option A. 162 etc. (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

  That's a good point. And I suppose someone would just recreate a redirect eventually anyway. Station1 (talk) 23:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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• C per Shhh. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• B, but move Stressed Out (disambiguation) to Stressed out. The lowercase should be the base page name where a lowercase sense exists. BD2412 T 18:09, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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• Target to Stressed Out, regardless of whether that's kept as the current primary topic, or made into a dab page as primary. Reward the folks looking for something specifically named this. I suspect the vast majority of folks looking for information about psychological stress are going to just look up "stress" instead (already a dab page). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• C - Sorry that this is spreading out the consensus more, but I really and STRONGLY agree with Shhh's assessment that capitalization matters, and that psychological stress is the best target for this particular capitalization. As a secondary option, I would grudgingly accept the disambiguation page, but I strongly object to making this target the song as the primary topic. Capitalization matters! I also object to deletion, as there really should be a way for a user to easily reach psychological stress from this search string, and the default search is unlikely to get there easily. Fieari (talk) 23:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• C. When not written in title case, psychological stress is the clear primary topic and we do our readers a disservice by not taking them there. A hatnote to the dab page and song will cater for everyone not looking for the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Pussy in bioedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Khogyani (article disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Valinor Hills Station

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Rich young man

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2025 United Kingdom general election

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Gastrosexual

• Gastrosexual → Metrosexual  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Gastrosexuality → Metrosexual  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned. Retarget to wikt:gastrosexual if there's no mention anywhere else. --MikutoH ^talk! 04:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Soft redirect Gastrosexual to wikt, and delete Gastrosexuality. Not mentioned anywhere in enwiki. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Comment. Gastrosexuality existed as its own page before, though the correct term is gastrosexual because it's named in reference to lifestyles like lumbersexual, spornosexual, retrosexual, cosmosexual, frustrosexual, megasexual, ubersexual, ultrasexual, macrosexual, cinesexual, machosexual, and many others. --MikutoH ^talk! 19:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete both. If you want to send the latter to AFD, or even treat it as a soft delete/expired PROD, I don't think that's unreasonable either. I also don't think a soft redir to Wiktionary serves any useful purpose here, and just impedes normal searching. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect Gastrosexual to wiktionary, delete other. Wiktionary contains useful information about the subject. I am not sure how this would impede normal searching. The history is useless since the text was not incoporated anywhere, and thus carries no attribution issues in deletion. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Restore Gastrosexuality without prejudice to AfD. The discussion cited was just one person saying "do you mind?" and the other saying "I don't mind", that's not consensus for deletion. Gastrosexual should target Gastrosexuality if it is kept or wiktionary if it isn't. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Population 0edit]

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June 3

Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor

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WWE Day 1

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Glasgow Seltic

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Rani Mukerji Chopra

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Alia Bhatt Kapoor

• Alia Bhatt Kapoor → Alia Bhatt  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Subject is not known by the name "Alia Bhatt Kapoor". A redirect such as this should not exist for married women who haven't changed/added their husband's name after marriage. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I have no strong feelings about this, but when it comes to redirects it doesn't matter what the person is commonly known as. This is not the article's title. As long as some sources refer to her as such the redirect can serve a valid purpose when it comes to looking for the subject. Examples include this one which refers to the Newlywed Alia Bhatt Kapoor in the text. The name also yields results on Google. In short, redirects are cheap and they don't need to be 100% accurate; that's why we have ones such as Jennifer Pitt. Keivan.f^Talk 19:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The question isn't what they are "commonly" known as. We should not assume that a married women should take her husband's last name, and that extends to poorly researched sources that call her by that name simply because she's married. It's highly misogynistic, unless ya'll create the same redirects for Ranbir Kapoor Bhatt or Virat Kohli Sharma. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not for me to assume whether a woman or man has taken up her/his spouse's last name. When sources write something down we simply follow, and redirects are meant to ease the navigation process. Unfortunately, "Ranbir Kapoor Bhatt" doesn't yield any results anywhere, but "Alia Bhatt Kapoor" does and if someone decides to look that name up here after coming across it somewhere else, the redirect will take them to the actual article. Keivan.f^Talk 19:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Sources can call an actor many things. In this source, Kareena Kapoor Khan is called KKK, as do other sources such as this and this. Does that mean KKK should redirect to her article? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course not, because obviously Ku Klux Klan is the primary topic. However, if the name they are using for the person is inherently unique, then I don't see why it can't serve a purpose as a redirect. Keivan.f^Talk 19:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Why does it have to be unique? KKK (actress) is unique enough for a redirect. All I'm saying is that there are many ways to call a celebrity, doesn't mean they should all be redirects, especially when it comes to giving women identities that's not theirs, which is exactly what's problematic in the case of "Alia Bhatt Kapoor". Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - we don't know if she changed the name in her passport and other documents, but she did announce it. Jay 💬 18:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

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Battles of Bohorodychne and Krasnopilliaedit]

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'Umar ibn Sahlan as-Sawi

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Frances and Richard Lockridge

• Frances and Richard Lockridge → Richard Lockridge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Frances Lockridge now has her own page separate from her husband Bookworm-ce (talk) 14:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and WP:XY. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
• I’m not sure. On the one hand, WP:XY; however, on the other hand, Richard Lockridge#Personal and professional life indicates that this phrase was a by-line used by the couple for the Mr. and Mrs. North, meaning that this is a plausible search term - which is backed up by this redirect getting an average 28 views/month since its creation. Perhaps retarget to Mr. and Mrs. North? But I don’t know if that would be the most ideal thing either. Best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 16:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
• Weak delete not clear that Mr. and Mrs. North is the primary target, not suitable for dabification, and of course WP:XY. We are probably best off just letting the search engine do its job. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:BCC1:74D:C5C8:CF76 (talk) 16:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per points raised by a smart kitten. The covers of Mr. and Mrs. North books do indeed depict the names of the authors as "Frances and Richard Lockridge", thus confirming the existence of a single pen name that encompasses the names of both collaborators and enabling the existence of at least a redirect (to Mr. and Mrs. North) or even a separate article which would focus on the details of the writing collaboration. Examples of other team-based articles can be found in Wikipedia entries for such collaborations as Rodgers and Hart, Rodgers and Hammerstein, Lerner and Loewe, Kander and Ebb, Comden and Green, Holland–Dozier–Holland, etc. Each of the collaborators — Richard Rodgers, Lorenz Hart, Oscar Hammerstein II, Alan Jay Lerner, Frederick Loewe, John Kander, Fred Ebb, Betty Comden, Adolph Green, Brian Holland, Lamont Dozier, Eddie Holland, etc. — also has a separate Wikipedia article that focuses on his or her entire life, not simply the collaboration. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Merge Frances Lockridge and Richard Lockridge to a joint biography at this title. The articles are almost identical. The differences are biographical in nature and can be combined in a biography section with sub-sections dedicated to each person. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Would alternatively support proposal by Tavix. Unlike, for example, Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein II, who have extensive detail in their individual articles, independent of the Rodgers and Hammerstein collaboration, Frances Lockridge and Richard Lockridge are indeed proper candidates for a Frances and Richard Lockridge joint biography entry. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Having created the Frances Lockridge article, merging the pages seems like an OK alternative, although Richard's career continued for a decade or two after Frances' death. I just would prefer not to have a joint page directing to Richard specifically, or have only Richard have his own page but not give Frances her own, which would feel dismissive of Frances. —Bookworm-ce (talk) 13:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

• As an alternative proposal, how about dabification? This probably isn't a standard outcome for WP:XY-type redirects; however, given that this is a valid search term (as opposed to a combination of 'X' and 'Y' that isn't used anywhere else), I'm leaning towards ignoring the rules to the extent necessary for this proposal. I'd be in favour of this outcome as opposed to merging, due to the fact that (in my opinion) RfD isn't the ideal forum for considering/discussing article mergers, and I'm not sure if it's strictly within its remit -- to be clear, a merger could still be discussed, but by a process such as WP:PAM rather than at RFD. I've started a draft disambiguation page below the current redirect. Pinging previous participants: @Bookworm-ce, Presidentman, Roman Spinner, and Tavix. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 15:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure why we would need three pages where one is sufficient. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

One may turn out to be sufficient, but I don't personally feel comfortable opining on that matter in this discussion; as (to me) it's more of an article content question than one regarding redirects, and due to the fact that the two pages in question aren't aware that a merger is being considered at this RfD. If the consensus at (e.g.) WP:PAM is to merge the articles, this proposed dab page would no longer exist - however, prior to such a merger (if one occurs), this disambiguation page would serve as a navigational aid. My view is therefore that RfD could dabify this redirect, but without prejudice to a merger discussion (which would, in my view, be better suited to make that determination). All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 15:51, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Articleify into an article about their collaboration under a pen name. The articles with their individual biographies can be kept if they meet GNG outside of their collaboration, otherwise a full merge could work. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:24, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

There are a bunch of proposals here that involve outcomes outside the scope of RfD, and hence we can't force anyone to do any of those. What the RfD closing admin should do is delete and allow the merge/articlefy proposals to be done if someone actually does them. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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Steve Lacy (musician)edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

ELMatronmaker/sandbox2

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Substantial

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Pole (Venezuela)

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IRC +10414

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Kontra Code

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

June 1

2023-24 Major Clubs Limited Over Tournament

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LATAM

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1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team

• 1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team → Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect should be deleted so editors know which seasons still need to be made, otherwise every season would be a redirect. poketape (talk) 21:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to List of Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball seasons: It's a possibly useful redirect and the fact that redirects for all of the seasons haven't been created doesn't mean that this isn't useful. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. Looking at {{Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball navbox}}, blue links are articles, not redirects. 1930–31 is the odd one out, and gives the false impression that we have an article on it. Reywas92's edit summary while making the redirect said merge to main, but I don't see that a merge was done. Jay 💬 04:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Disney Jr.edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete as G6. The discussion of what name to give the target is at Talk:Disney Junior#Requested move 1 June 2024. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:ALEXAedit]

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Matthew Hardwick

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy withdrawn by nominator

The Mii Channel Theme

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Propaganda bullhorn

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British intelligence services

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

List of canon law legal abbreviations

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Numbers (Mellowhype Album) "Numbers" (Mellowhype)

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Hangkong

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May 31

Nu variant

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Sangerpedia

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Face cancer

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Astounding

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P♯

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イ・エヌ・ブロンシュテイン

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Connecticut Book Awards

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New England Book Awards

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Oggcast

• Oggcast → Podcast#Oggcast  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Whatever mention that was in the podcast article was removed in 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=942832128 Okmrman (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Dan Bloch (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - Google says that this term is strongly related to/correlated with the Ogg file format... top result says that oggcast is an RSS equivelent for ogg-format podcasts specifically, while other sources state that it is a streaming protocol for ogg format audio (of any sort). I suppose the google top result is why this redirect was created. I wonder if this term is notable enough to get a brief mention on the ogg page, and then we could redirect there... but I'm not sure, so I'll refrain from !voting at the moment. Fieari (talk) 05:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Ogg or Vorbis and add mention per Fieari. Enix150 (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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• @Dan Bloch: can comment further. While the removal mentioned in the nomination said ..no longer notable. The only third party source is from the Internet Archive., just one day prior, DanBloch had reduced the multi-sourced 3-4 paragraph section to a single liner (alongwith removing sections such as Political podcast and Podguide). Jay 💬 10:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not sure what sort of comment you're looking for from me. Per the nom, oggcast is no longer mentioned in the article (nor should it be, per WP:BALASP), so this isn't a great redirect. Redirecting to Ogg would probably be better, especially if someone added a mention there. But mostly it doesn't matter because no one uses it. As far as I'm concerned either solution is fine, or even leaving it is fine. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

  What I was looking for was comments or explanation regarding the removal I mentioned, of 11,446 bytes where the edit summary only said Variants: cleanup. From your response I now see that you removed it as per WP:BALASP. Jay 💬 11:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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Article-ify using information that ended up removed from the Podcast article by user:Danbloch in 2020 as per the edit pointed out by user:Jay. The reason that the section on Oggcasts was removed from the article was due to WP:BALASP, not because the information was non-notable. I also wouldn't be opposed to using said info to add enough information to Ogg or Vorbis to justify a Retarget. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It's also non-notable. It may have been of more interest when the content was introduced in 2011, I don't know. But there are no recent mentions. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

What does recent mentions have to do with anything? Usually wikipedians prefer older things to be written about, rather than WP:RECENTISM... Fieari (talk) 23:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

A fair point, but as I see it, it's the 2011 flurry of edits that was WP:RECENTISM and WP:TOOSOON. Oggcast did not take the world by storm. Note that it started out as a standalone article, and it had a "may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline" tag then. Dan Bloch (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Articleify per Lunamann, without prejudice to an AfD or merge. A "May not meet..." tag is one editor's opinion, not a consensus and sources may be available now that were not available 13 years ago. Thryduulf (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Germany 2024edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

May 30

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7#----

Foreign Semendyayev redirects

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Office Shuji Abe

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7#Office Shuji Abe

CS2

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Disambiguate

Redirects misusing the sharp symbol

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7#Redirects misusing the sharp symbol

Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7#Oh, do not cry. Be good children and we will all meet in Heaven.

Technofascism and Techno-fascism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: No consensus, retarget

Hisham Saleh

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Telephonics Corporation

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Wikipedia:WikiProject's Espionage, Intelligence and Mass surveillance collaboration

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

GWR network

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 7#GWR network

Blagger

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Blagger

Kim Un

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Donald Von ShitzInPantz

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep

Science Update

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Science Update

Elephant population

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Elephant population

ANDSF

• ANDSF → Access network discovery and selection function  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Likely primary topic is Afghan National Security Forces, not this internet protocol component. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

ANDSF (disambiguation) will likely be deleted unless it decided to be moved to this title. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Its prod expired, so ANDSF (disambiguation) is no more mwwv ^converse∫_edits 21:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget per nominator. Internet search results for "ANDSF" alone refer overwhelmingly to the former military. --NFSreloaded (talk) 18:40, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget and add hatnote per nom. Okmrman (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, since the current target is also known as "ANDSF" and a hatnote has already been placed there. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or Retarget?
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• Retarget to the disambiguation page (first, restore the dab, as there is WP:NOPRIMARY). Google search ANSDF is dominated by military, ANSDF abbreviation - by 3GPP. --Викидим (talk) 23:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget, restore ANDSF (disambiguation) and round-robin move them, as neither of the two articles seems to be an overwhelmingly primary topic. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• I have restored ANDSF (disambiguation) as a PROD deletion, and updated it to no primary so it doesn't get deleted immediately because of ONEOTHER. I'm neutral, and this is not an indication of my support here for NOPRIMARY. Jay 💬 10:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Afghan National Security Forces or ANDSF (disambiguation)?
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• retarget to Afghan National Security Forces, which seems primary based on my search results. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to dab and round robin, internet results heavily favor the Afghan organization, Google Scholar results heavily favor the internet protocol. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Nonius connectoredit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Nonius connector

May 27

Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 3#Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor

Alcohol drinking

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Lisa Krueger

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Ford F-100 Eluminator

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

WWE Day 1

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 3#WWE Day 1

NCAA men's ice hockey tournament

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Pole (Venezuela)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 3#Pole (Venezuela)

Shams ud Duha (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Baak (Telugu Film)

• Baak (Telugu Film) → Aranmanai 4  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Indian films sometimes do this thing were they reshoot 10% or less of the film in another language. Either way, there is absolutely no need for this redirect when Baak (film) exists. only 10% or less of people interest seeing Aranmanai 4 will likely opt to see this version due to low key release. DareshMohan (talk) 05:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: No point of existence. Kailash29792 (talk) 05:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete: I think this is the same film as Baakghost. It looks like there is no point for this. Cleo Cooper (talk) 06:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC) (Striking account globally locked as an LTA ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 16:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC))

• Keep: This is obviously linked with the Afd of Baakghost. Here too, I suggest to Keep the redirect (and then rename. Baak (Telugu film) if needed, and maybe ask for page protection. Like that, history can be kept and further work on the article is easier. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Move to Baak (film) without redirect as the title has incorrect capitalization which is arguably an RDAB error. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Okmrman (talk) 04:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete Baak (film) already exists, no point in moving stuff around. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

• Move without redirect to Baak (film) to keep the page history. Baak (film) was created by nom 5 minutes before the nomination. With regards to the target, follow the outcome of the lowercase f RfD WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 1#Baak (Telugu film). Jay 💬 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Move to Baak (film) without redirect to keep editing history. Hzh (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting together with the other similar RfD below.
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• Refine to the relevant section. Baak (film), Baak (Telugu film) and Baak (Telugu Film) all exist and all are useful and plausible search terms for the target. Plausible alternative capitalisations in the dismabiguator are no more a reason to delete a redirect than plausible alternative capitalisations outside the disambiguator are. Thryduulf (talk) 17:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Baak film redirectsedit]

• Baak (Telugu film) → Aranmanai 4  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Baakghost → Aranmanai 4  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Both of these redirects have no point. Both these redirects (Baakghost and Baak (Telugu film)) along with Baak (Telugu Film) were initially created by SenthilGugan as Articles for the Telugu dubbed version of Aranmanai 4. After seeing no need for another article, when there's already a primary article and an Afd the pages were turned to redirects. But, there is no need these many redirects, as not even the Google recognizes these names. I only included two redirects because, the other one has already been Rfded. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Vestrian24Bio, what's the reason for nominating this redirect for deletion? I could be missing a potential problem with it; but, from what I can see, this title is mentioned at the target under Aranmanai 4#Release. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 11:21, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

  I am typing it; please wait for me to post it. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:22, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

  Ah, sorry - I was confused as to why the redirect was nominated without a rationale, but that makes sense. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 11:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

  That's fine 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: It's Baak. See this. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

  Noting that the above !vote was made underneath the entry for Baakghost, before the two nominations had been combined - see [50]. Best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 12:38, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep but make the target more precise to a section in the article: Aranmanai_4#Theatrical The title in the target section of this Telugu version of the film IS Baak. The second R was Redirected after an Afd and the first BLARed as ATD, so that the pages history and credits could be kept, which is always good. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

  Agree with the first one, but the second R: A Google search of that name would give the results for Baak (Assamese folklore), so how much of an accurate redirect that would be? 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 14:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough. Then, in order to preserve history and credits for both, rename the second (but then the double redirect needs to be fixed) OR change target so that it redirects to the Assamese folklore page (which will preserve the history, only upon a different topic). A DISAMB page can also be considered. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

  I say we retarget to Baak (Assamese folklore) and move Baakghost to Baak ghost without leaving a redirect. You agree Mushy Yank? Kailash29792 (talk) 10:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

  Sure! Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Summarizing the above discussion, Keep and Re-target Baak (Telugu film) to Aranmanai 4#Theatrical while, Move Baakghost to Baak ghost without leaving a redirect and Re-target to Baak (Assamese folklore). Is that correct Kailash29792 and Mushy Yank? 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 04:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

  Yes you are right. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

  As far as I’m concerned, yes, I think that’s a good solution. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 16:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
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My comments remain the same. Hopefully this is no longer a dispute. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

I also agree that an apparent consensus seems to have been reached. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Refine Baak (Telugu film) to Aranmanai 4#Release, not #Theatrical. Delete Baakghost as a made up compound word. No need to retain the page history as a 3rd copy created by the same author in a span of 10 days. No need to salvage the page by renaming to a convoluted title of a different topic for the same reason (retaining page history). Jay 💬 17:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Refine Baak (Telugu film) per Jay. No opinion about Baakghost. Thryduulf (talk) 17:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Cedar Ridge Middle Schooledit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Hyperstar

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate and retarget

Unlabeled

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Box 850

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

May 23

Pomosexuality

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Hamich

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Astounding incident

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Astounding

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 31#Astounding

Astonishing

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Turkish bath

• Turkish bath → Hammam  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] 

The target of this redirect should likely be reconsidered. The most helpful solution may to turn this into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation). Reason: The term "Turkish bath" in a Western context is fairly generic and might also denote other types of steam baths, in addition to the mainly Islamic ones covered at Hammam. Since this was last discussed in 2021 (see here), a more fully-fledged Victorian Turkish bath article now exists. Other articles might also be relevant to link. Note: This came out of a discussion at Talk:Turkish Bath (disambiguation) between myself and Ishpoloni. Feel free to read there for more context & explanation. R Prazeres (talk) 00:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Hammam is the primary topic. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget: I don't know the correct Wiki terminology to use, but searchers from different communities seeking information on so-called 'Turkish baths' (which no longer appears as an article) could equally be looking for Hammam or Victorian Turkish baths and some type of 'See:' reference should offer these two clear redirecting link options.

Hammam is neither primary nor secondary. Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths only have in common that they are baths, and are both derived from the ancient Roman thermae. Victorian Turkish baths are not steam baths. Nor are they really, as the Hammam article states, "A variation on the Muslim bathhouse"—which is why in France and Germany they are called Roman-Irish baths.

The only guiding principle here should be: 'Save the time of the reader' Ranganathan's 4th law. Ishpoloni (talk) 13:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, we follow our own policies and guidelines, not library science (for better or for worse, I can't say). The guideline for how to deal with ambiguous terms (like Turkish bath) is WP:D. The first step is to determine whether there is a primary topic. One way to do that is to look at page traffic. The page traffic for Hammam shows that most people get to that page via an "other-search", such as searching for the term "Turkish bath" via an external search engine, but that only 15% of people then click away to Victorian Turkish baths from that article. We can infer that most readers were, in fact, looking for Hammam when they searched "Turkish bath". We can also look at comparative pageviews, which shows that Hammam gets far more views than Victorian Turkish baths. Then, if we've determined a primary topic, the guideline tells us to redirect the ambiguous term to that page, with hatnotes to the appropriate disambiguation pages. voorts (talk/contributions) 17:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

• Having had time to familiarise myself more with the often complicated Wikipedia guidance notes, I now believe that the most equitable solution is the one suggested above by R Prazeres, ie, to change the current Redirect into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation). This could either be based on the existing one or, perhaps preferably, like the Mercury page example given in the guidance notes. I believe this is a solution on which we should easily be able to reach consensus.

Reasons:

1. Of the 22 reasons for a redirect given on Wikipedia:Redirect the overwhelming majority relate to different forms of words, grammar, punctuation, etc. Not one exemplifies a redirect of one subject to another subject.

2. On Wikipedia:Disambiguation page the three important points seem to be:

(a) naming articles so each has an unique title, eg, Hammam and Victorian Turkish baths;

(b) making links so that a term points to the correct article;

(c) "Ensuring that a reader who searches for a topic using a particular term can get to the information on that topic quickly and easily, whichever of the possible topics it might be." (My emphasis)

Proposed resolution:

Change the current Redirect into a DAB, merging with Turkish Bath (disambiguation)

An allied matter:

In case there are Western European readers of this Wikipedia, there should be Redirects < Irish-Roman baths and < Roman-Irish baths > Victorian Turkish baths. Ishpoloni (talk) 07:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Turkish Bath (disambiguation) per nom. -- asilvering (talk) 03:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is there a primary topic?
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A. The identification of a primary topic only seems to apply when there are synonyms for the terms used to name a specific subject, or for grammatical clarifications (see Reason 1 in my previous reply).

B. When there are two completely different and separate subjects, ie, Hammam & Victorian Turkish baths, there cannot be a "primary topic" simply because both are types of hot-air bath, any more than there can be a "primary topic" between Apple & Pear simply because both are types of fruit.

C. Wikipedia's object in the case of multiple subjects (see 2.c above) is to enable readers to speedily find the subject wanted, whichever one it is.

D. The current situation where a reader, perhaps the (wo)man on the Clapham omnibus rather than an academic, seeks information on Turkish baths and is willy-nilly diverted to an article on hammams—and so may never discover the existence of an article on Victorian Turkish baths—cannot be equitable, or helpful.

E. The solution suggested above by R Prazeres to retarget to Turkish Bath (disambiguation) not only follows Wikipedia principles, but provides the speediest route to either of the two subjects sought. It should now be adopted as a win-win solution for both subjects, and will in practice lead readers to articles on subjects they may not previously have come across.Ishpoloni (talk) 10:19, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The argument in B is off-base, as these two topics can both be referred to as "Turkish bath" in colloquial English. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - pageviews analysis suggests that Hamam is the primary topic, with that page receiving far more views per day (of which views coming from the redirect are only a fraction). Arguably even stronger evidence is that even sources contemporary to Victorian England identify the Hamam as the Turkish bath (see page 34 onward [51]). Those looking for the Victorian topic can be directed by the existing hatnote at the current target. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Erasmus Wilson, on page 34 of his 1861 book which you mention, is specifically using the term Hamâm in describing it "…as it exists at the present moment in Constantinople", a bath which (p.36) "…is moistened with a thin vapour"—the very opposite of the dry Victorian Turkish bath. And when he describes the bath in the British Isles (p.50 et seq) the terminology moves from Arabic and Turkish terms to Roman ones, beginning a paragraph (p.96) "As the British thermae is at present in a state of infancy…". From this moment, the inspiration for British hot air bathing moves from Turkey to ancient Rome and becomes what will later be identified as the Victorian Turkish bath. Today, this is dying; in contrast, the hammam is starting a revival. This does not make the subject of the Victorian Turkish bath less important, or a "secondary topic". Ishpoloni (talk) 14:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

  The fact that these baths are distinct is not the crux of this discussion, the question at issue is, which bath is someone looking to read about if they search for the phrase "Turkish bath". The evidence available suggests that the answer to that question is Hammam. The fact that the Victorian Turkish Bath is not a hammam is the reason why we have a separate article for that topic, and why we have a hatnote at Hammam differentiating the topics; it is not a reason to have Turkish bath point to Victorian Turkish bath given current pageviews and reviews of coverage suggest that the readers searching the term are more commonly looking for the actual Turkish style of bath. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Rosguill's arguments are convincing. Thryduulf (talk) 10:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  • Retarget Have those in favour of keeping the redirect read the two articles concerned? Are they the same subject in any way other than that they are both baths? Redirect guidance has no example of a subject redirected to another subject—the proper function of a 'See also' note. Primary and secondary refers to preferred terms when the terms are synonyms or grammatical variants. Look at the two subjects in Google; there is no overlap between the pages. Contemporary sources do not refer to Victorian Turkish baths for the same reason Elizabeth I did not call herself Elizabeth I. They were only invented in 1856 and no hot-dry air bath from that date onwards was ever written about, or spoken about as a hammam by the Victorians (they more likely preferred Anglo-Roman or Irish-Roman) though a very few orientalists named their establishment '*** Hammam' or '*** Oriental baths'—sources would be welcome for 'any' discussion of these baths as hammams. There seems to be no neutral reason why a redirect to the Turkish bath disambiguation page is not an easier way for searchers to find either unique 'subject'. Ishpoloni (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

An instance. Mary Doe reads a newspaper article on The life and death of Colonel Blimp mentioning a Turkish bath. Wanting to find out what this was, she refers to 'Turkish bath' on Wikipedia and is automatically given an article on Hammams. How clever. Ishpoloni (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The data linked by voorts early in this discussion suggests that for ever Mary reading The life and death of Colonel Blimp, there are about 5.7 Elizabeths who actually wanted to read about Turkish steam baths. As for Mary, she can find the link to the correct topic in the hatnote that is at the top of the page. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

What she actually finds at the top of the Hammam page is what you call a hatnote, and is NOT (as you state) "the link to the correct topic" but a link to a disambiguation page which she should already have been given. The fact that there are two different hatlinks does not make the problem simpler, and she is lucky that there are not more than two.

Apart from the fact that some people do not understand what you call hatnotes, and that not everyone agrees that they are helpful, eg, "The_problem_with_disambiguation_hatnotes", it is totally irrelevant how many people want to read about Hammams or "Turkish steam baths" because we are not choosing here between synonyms, but between discrete subjects.

What is important is that seekers after information about a subject should be able to find it at their first attempt, or if there are complications, immediately after being given actual links to the alternative subjects available, together with brief definitions which will ensure the right page is reached at just the second attempt. Redirecting "Turkish baths" to its current disambiguation page does that absolutely perfectly, whichever of the two subjects is being sought.Ishpoloni (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

LATAMedit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#LATAM

Draft:2025 IndyCar Series

• Draft:2025 IndyCar Series → 2025 IndyCar Series  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] 

Redirect in draftspace created as a result of disruptive article creation by an IP user over an existing redirect, and NPP not reverting the disruptive edits, but instead draftifying their "work" (which consisted of a lazy, unreferenced stub). Suggest deletion. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  13:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC) HistSplit per 2601:5CC:.... ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  03:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• HistSplit or just override the redirect with the previous draft, noting attribution in the edit summary if more convenient. Too soon applies to articles, but drafts are fine. Should have been histsplit the first time as the existing redirect should not have been deleted, but we can remedy that now. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:A165:7AFC:68F9:104D (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
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• Comment - I am fine with 2601:5CC:...'s suggestion. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  03:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Severaedit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: move without redirect to Severa (software) and move Severa (disambiguation) to Severa. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Oncorhynchus mykiss ssp?edit]

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was:

Yin-Yuan

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Aromantisch

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Consecutive games

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Ron Johnson (rapper)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

May 22

2020 Games

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Islamic Insurgency in Somalia (2007-Present)

• Islamic Insurgency in Somalia (2007-Present) → 2007 timeline of the War in Somalia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] 
• Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present) → War in Somalia (2006–2009)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
• Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007-present) → 2007 timeline of the War in Somalia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ]

Not appropriate for a "2007-present" redirect to point to events from a decade ago. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history of Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present)?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

• I think this should be kept as a minimum due to the page history. Another possibility is retargeting to Somali civil war (2009-present), which does cover recent events. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Probably delete per nom. Okmrman (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

• I don't think keeping these are necessary, but if kept, I think the best target would be Somali Civil War#TFG, Islamic Courts Union, and Ethiopia (2006–2009). Sections below that one continue through present should someone be seeking more recent events. That said, the more recent events don't document any Islamist insurgencies. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - may have been useful as a search term years ago, but isn't any longer. No incoming mainspace links. -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
• Also bundle the uppercase P version Islamic Insurgency in Somalia (2007-Present). To solve the page history problem, move without redirect to a title that does not have "present" in it. Jay 💬 11:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Bundled with the uppercase redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not in favour of Thryduulf's solution as having "Present" in the redirect would be misleading per nom. Jay 💬 08:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Any misconceptions will be cleared up by reading the target. We don't help readers by making it harder for them to find the content they are looking for or by needlessly breaking old links - indeed that makes it more likely that misconceptions will remain uncorrected. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

By that logic, incorrect redirects never ought to be deleted by virtue of being old. Jay 💬 20:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Being old is always a reason to be cautious when deleting redirects (it's why R3 is limited to recently-created redirects) because there is a greater likelihood of incoming links that will be broken (and breaking links is a bad thing). However being old is not a reason on it's own to keep a redirect, just as being incorrect is not a reason on it's own to delete one. We have to balance whether it is plausible that someone will use the incorrect redirect and if so whether we have anywhere appropriate to take people. In this case it's very plausible that they will be using the redirect, not only by following links from when the conflict was still ongoing but also because they could be conflating two different conflicts in Somalia (for a variety of reasons). The disambiguation page will educate them that they have followed an outdated link and/or misremembered what is happening and take them to whichever encyclopaedia article it was they wanted to read (where they will be further educated about the topic) without having to navigate search results (which may be several clicks/taps away) and which are not guaranteed to contain the relevant article(s).

It is not true that this will apply to every redirect that is both old and incorrect - we need to evaluate each of them on their own merits, but this is why they are discussed at RfD rather than speedily deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to the War in Somalia disambiguation page where anyone using these search terms (or, more likely, following old links) can find whichever conflict they want to read about. Thryduulf (talk) 12:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball teamedit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team

Anglo-Chinese School(Independent)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Angel Eyes (Lime)(song)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

UA (India)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Shihab Chottur (walker)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Champcar

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Face cancer

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 31#Face cancer

Population 0

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 4#Population 0

Bird Pokémon

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Dulah, CA

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Odiogo

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Look how they massacred my boy

• Look how they massacred my boy → The Godfather  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] 

This redirect is categorized as follows: A meme quotation from film and television, that is not mentioned at the article. Wikipedia is not an infinite compendium of unmentioned memes. Not a helpful redirect as people who want to read about The Godfather would search for The Godfather. Specifying a meme implies a search for specific content that we don't have on WP. Delete. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Support, how often do people search for films via quotes? Regardless a simple search engine search will tell them the film's title and they can search for the title from there. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - stats show utility (WP:RFD#K5) and this is the correct target. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 09:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as per Ivanvector; people could be searching this redirect in order to find out what the quote is from. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:04, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

  It's a meme, people are attracted to the novelty, but Wikipedia isn't a collection of memes to gawk at. Searching for a phrase on Wikipedia to see the movie it comes from is an absolutely unreliable method that works 0% of the time. A google search is more effective in 100% of situations due to the usability and predictability it offers, which are two things that "typing a quote and receiving a redirect coupled with no context at the target page" does not provide. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Utility Utilization per page stats is does not necessarily indicate usefulness. Readers looking for the meme, or a context of it, will be disappointed. Jay 💬 17:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete No mention at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. If you're looking for this, knowyourmeme or google are going to get you the answer. Wikipedia will not; we don't mention it at the target. -- asilvering (talk) 03:25, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: it's a page about a meme (memes are frequently notable, or later become so) and it redirects to what the context is.

jp×g🗯️ 18:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

• keep although usually if you search it in english Wikipedia it showed wikiquote Baratiiman (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, this is a direct quote and it seems plausible someone might search for it. CMD (talk) 07:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

  Not opposed to the soft redirect to Wikiquote. CMD (talk) 13:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment — I thought about adding a mention to the article, but this was the best I found. Ca ^{talk to me!} 08:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

  The Wikiquote page for the Godfather contains context for the quote, unlike the Wikipedia article. Since this redirect has utility (130 views last month), I suggest soft-redirecting to wikiquote:The Godfather. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:19, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Cremastra (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Soft redirect to Wikiquote per Ca. Thryduulf (talk) 12:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

DZHH-AMedit]

• DZHH-AM → Philippine Air Force  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: (@subpage) ] 

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• If deleted, incoming links from 75 pages need to be fixed if we don't want this to be a redlink. Jay 💬 09:22, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
  • I think the rationale for WP:REDLINK would apply here given that we do want information on this station. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• KEEP an old station that Philippine Air Force has been dated back in 1970s. It was mentioned on YouTube like this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjKYgmgMZB4. 2001:4454:733:4100:9DA9:E768:BA8B:C7CB (talk) 05:38, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

  That's irrelevant if the target includes no information on the station. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

  REDIRECT instead. 2001:4454:718:9400:1038:10E0:F21A:D6EE (talk) 11:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Toadette^Edit! 22:44, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete unless sourced and WP:DUE information can be added at a target. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:59, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the target talk.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 16:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Best cite that I got was it exists with address at the former Nichols Air Base. With that said, I don't think we have any material to work with to warrant a mention in any related articles. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep - a redirect from a radio callsign to relevant information like where it broadcast[s|ed] from is useful, like if you saw it on an old navigation chart or something. It's not very useful but it's also harmless. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Per Ivanvector. This is the only source I found about the station's ownership. Though, I don't know which part of the article this piece of info can fit. Nonetheless, a redirect is deemed harmless. ASTIG😎🙃 10:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
• Very weak keep per Ivanvector. Although it is not mentioned, it gives information about where it broadcasts from. Queen of Hearts (talk) 20:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

If it's not appropriate to mention it at the target (for reasons Lenticel and others said) then why is it appropriate to subtly hint that it is in some vague way related without explaining how and leaving people confused. That's just mentioning it by the back door. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Keep or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: per Pppery. Cremastra (talk) 20:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and add a mention. That the station exist/existed and the location it was broadcast from is encyclopaedic information. Thryduulf (talk) 12:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete for now, and recreate/restore if a mention is added. I do disagree with an above point that it gives information about where it broadcasts from. It instead vaguely implies that there may be some connection with Philippine Air Force. Any additional "information" is reading too much into it. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The Big One (earthquake)edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#The Big One (earthquake)

Harley Quinn (pornographic actor)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Bartleby Project

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete