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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 22, 2024.

2020 Games[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. After three relists, editors remain closely divided on whether the Olympics are the primary topic for this term. signed, Rosguill talk 17:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[]

The Summer Olympics are not known simply as "Games". See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 3#2022 Games. Mia Mahey (talk) 02:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[]

  • Comment: I'll note, they are in many occasions, such as [1] [2] [3], none of which use the "summer" qualifier but do refer to the 2024 as Games. These aren't the Winter Olympics. There's the colloquial Olympics, and the Winter Olympics. The word "summer" is often dropped on most occasions when discussing the Olympics that take place in the summer, so I wouldn't consider the winter games to be on the same level. 2008 Games and 1992 Games are current redirects to their respective Olympics and have existed since 2007 and 2006, respectively. This is in conjunction with similar titles such as 2006 Winter Games and/or 2014 Winter Games as expected. These were created through AfC so I don't have a strong attachment, but if you have any alternate titles that have a higher significant usage of "2020 Games" that could be useful to note. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[]
disambiguate, or retarget to 2020 in video games, since it ignores the winter olympics and those other things people refer to almost exclusively as "games"
would suggest "2020 summer games", but that also seems to refer mostly to games released in the summer of 2020 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[]
Strong disagree on the summer games part, 2020 Summer Olympics has 50x more views than 2020 in games. Utopes (talk / cont) 20:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[]
But there were no Winter Olympics in 2020? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[]
Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 16:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Originally closed as "delete", but reopened upon request for additional consideration of the arguments above.
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Keep per Utopes, the Summer Olympics are commonly the Games, and are referred to as, say, "Games of the XXXII Olympiads". The capitalization makes it clear that this is not about, say, video games, but one specific event. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 13:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: One more try…
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Islamic Insurgency in Somalia (2007-Present)[edit]

Not appropriate for a "2007-present" redirect to point to events from a decade ago. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history of Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present)?
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Probably delete per nom. Okmrman (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
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Relisting comment: Final relist. Bundled with the uppercase redirect.
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I'm not in favour of Thryduulf's solution as having "Present" in the redirect would be misleading per nom. Jay 💬 08:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Any misconceptions will be cleared up by reading the target. We don't help readers by making it harder for them to find the content they are looking for or by needlessly breaking old links - indeed that makes it more likely that misconceptions will remain uncorrected. Thryduulf (talk) 09:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[]
By that logic, incorrect redirects never ought to be deleted by virtue of being old. Jay 💬 20:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Being old is always a reason to be cautious when deleting redirects (it's why R3 is limited to recently-created redirects) because there is a greater likelihood of incoming links that will be broken (and breaking links is a bad thing). However being old is not a reason on it's own to keep a redirect, just as being incorrect is not a reason on it's own to delete one. We have to balance whether it is plausible that someone will use the incorrect redirect and if so whether we have anywhere appropriate to take people. In this case it's very plausible that they will be using the redirect, not only by following links from when the conflict was still ongoing but also because they could be conflating two different conflicts in Somalia (for a variety of reasons). The disambiguation page will educate them that they have followed an outdated link and/or misremembered what is happening and take them to whichever encyclopaedia article it was they wanted to read (where they will be further educated about the topic) without having to navigate search results (which may be several clicks/taps away) and which are not guaranteed to contain the relevant article(s).
It is not true that this will apply to every redirect that is both old and incorrect - we need to evaluate each of them on their own merits, but this is why they are discussed at RfD rather than speedily deleted. Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[]
  • Retarget to the War in Somalia disambiguation page where anyone using these search terms (or, more likely, following old links) can find whichever conflict they want to read about. Thryduulf (talk) 12:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[]

1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#1930–31 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team

Anglo-Chinese School(Independent)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 23:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Not completely sure if this redirect is eligible for WP:X3 since both its creator created this redirect not as a {{R from move}}, and since the acronym listed for the target in the article is "ACS(I)" with no space between the "S" and "(I)" letters. But then again, there is no space between the "C" and "S" letters either, and their words are clearly separate. Vote here is for delete, but bringing it here instead of tagging since I see this as a borderline case per what I have stated. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Angel Eyes (Lime)(song)[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 23:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Not sure if this qualifies for WP:X3 since it looks like double disambiguation instead of lacking a space between the title and the disambiguator ... but either way, this redirect is as useful and as problematic as the redirects that are eligible for WP:X3. Steel1943 (talk) 21:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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UA (India)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Seems harmless enough. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (talk) 20:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[]

There is no indication that the abbreviation UA is used in any context for Uttarakhand. There is a vehicle code column in the table at States and union territories of India where UK is used for Uttarakhand, but no UA. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Please see Vehicle registration plates of India, this was the vehicle registration code for the former name of the state "Uttaranchal". Gotitbro (talk) 11:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[]
A 17-year out-of-date vehicle code seems an unlikely search term to merit a redirect from "UA (India)" to Uttarakhand. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[]
It still appears on vehicles in the state, and is also used by the state government in communications (e.g.: https://uaresults.nic.in/; main contact adresses still operating at "ua@nic.in", ua.nic.in) among others. Do not see why it would not be a likely search term. Gotitbro (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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  • Leaning keep per Gotitbro. This is listed on the disambiguation page, UA, and I see nothing else on that page that would specifically refer to India. BD2412 T 17:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Shihab Chottur (walker)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. As Caeciliusinhorto-public pointed it out, this is the wrong place to raise notability debates on an article recently deleted by concensus on AfD. Consider improving the article though feedback and submitting through WP:AfC. (non-admin closure) Ca talk to me! 07:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[]

This is an article (Shihab Chottur (walker)) with a notable WP:1E from a long walking list. Please move this article to its own main page, or take it back as an article ~~ User:Spworld2 (talk) 07:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Champcar[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) Mdann52 (talk) 12:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete as the redirect is ambiguous. Champ car is a type of racing car; Champ Car was a motorsport sanctioning body. In addition, the talk page for Champcars leads not to Champ Car World Series, but to Championship Auto Racing Teams. These were two separate organizations. RegalZ8790 (talk) 20:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Retain. The CCWS was the successor via bankruptcy of CART. In fact, the "Champ Car World Series" name was used by CART as the name of the series it sanctioned for the last season before the bankruptcy filing by CART, purchase of its assets by a group of team owners and reorganization under the CCWS name. The first question is was the split of the article (it used to be one article at Champ Car before the separate CCWS article was split out and the other article moved to the CART name) really necessary? I'd lean yes because it's a logical point for a break under summary style, not necessarily because of the legal structures (there was much more continuity than break in operations).
So the question then becomes which article is the best target for the "Champ Car" redirect (the redirects here are just alternate spellings and should point to the same place). Well, "Champ Car" was the common short name of the CCWS organization and likely primary meaning of the term. The general category of American open-wheel racing is most commonly known as IndyCar, but CART couldn't use that anymore after the Indy Racing League split (CART did use the name before, calling their series the IndyCar World Series prior to 1996) so they went with the more obscure Champ Car term after the split, but it didn't become part of the organization's name until the reorganization. As long as Champ Car redirects to the CCWS article, we should be consistent with spelling variations. oknazevad (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[]
Does Wikipedia need the unused redirects? At what point do the spelling variations simply become misspellings? Champ car, Champ Car, Champ cars, and Champ Cars already exist as redirects, in addition to a plethora of others.
But my point is that there is no obvious destination for the redirects I originally listed. They are grammatically incorrect, and could be taken by an editor to mean either a type of car, OR the sanctioning body. Using a small 'c' for car, they should probably direct to the AOWR page, but as one 'word' they are simply incorrect spellings, and I am questioning why they need to exist. RegalZ8790 (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[]
ChampCar and ChampCars also exist. Probably because IndyCar is properly written as one word prior editors assumed Champ Car was as well. WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP, so there's no particular harm in having the non-CamelCase versions kept as well. oknazevad (talk) 20:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[]
The harm is that the redirects I have placed for discussion facilitate sloppy, ambiguous writing. RegalZ8790 (talk) 04:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[]
Delete per nom due to ambiguous term. Okmrman (talk) 04:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Procedural, not properly tagged.
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Face cancer[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 May 31#Face cancer

Population 0[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 4#Population 0

Bird Pokémon[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was retarget to MissingNo. Nominally no consensus between retargeting to MissingNo., listify, and delete, defaulting to redirect in the absence of support for the status quo. signed, Rosguill talk 19:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]

not sure if this is referring to bird pokémon (like corviknight and the worse corviknight), in which case i'd say retarget to the list of pokémon or delete (more so delete) or to the unused bird type, in which case redirect to missingno without a second or first thought cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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  • Retarget to MISSINGNO. -- the other pokemon aren't "bird" type, they're "flying". @Hey man im josh: Since this is one of few times anybody on Wikipedia gives a crap about my vast knowledge of the subject I will indulge you: MISSINGNO. is famously the only "bird" type because it's a glitch that exposed certain pieces of pre-release dummy code to the player, including a "bird" type subsequently unused in the following 30 years of games. The way MISSINGNO. works, you ask? Oh I'd love to explain...
jp×g🗯️ 19:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[]
Interesting, thanks for the explanation @JPxG. Believe me, I remember MISSINGNO and the sixth item slot! I'm neutral on this now, kinda leaning to support retargeting. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[]
Comment legendary birds are also classified as bird Pokémon, such as Articuno in its official description. Hisuian Braviary is described as "ferocious bird Pokémon". I would support listifying or dabifying. --MikutoH talk! 00:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[]
the pokédex also makes mention of plenty of "bird pokémon" when it comes to bullying bug types
this usually refers to pidgey and taillow lol cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:44, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Dulah, CA[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 14:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Target does not mention Dulah at all, and per the original stub at Dulah, California, Dulah was nothing more than a rail siding located near Solimar. It's incredibly unlikely that anyone would search for a rail siding, and even if they did, they won't find any information about it here. Delete this redirect. (Nomination is a follow-up, and paraphrases the previous RfD that removed the other redirect Dulah, California.) Jay 💬 09:35, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Odiogo[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. While early participants argued for keeping and adding a mention at the current target, no effort to actually add such a mention has materialized, and subsequent editors have argued for deletion based on the status quo. No prejudice against recreation of the redirect if WP:DUE mention can be added at the target. signed, Rosguill talk 19:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Redirected to the history of podcasting after an AfD, because there was no sourced content worth merging. However, it doesn't appear at the target any longer, if it appeared to begin with if the merge idea fell through. Does not seem to be a useful redirect in the target's current form. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Still no mention at the target at this time
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Look how they massacred my boy[edit]

This redirect is categorized as follows: A meme quotation from film and television, that is not mentioned at the article. Wikipedia is not an infinite compendium of unmentioned memes. Not a helpful redirect as people who want to read about The Godfather would search for The Godfather. Specifying a meme implies a search for specific content that we don't have on WP. Delete. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[]

Support, how often do people search for films via quotes? Regardless a simple search engine search will tell them the film's title and they can search for the title from there. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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  • Keep: it's a page about a meme (memes are frequently notable, or later become so) and it redirects to what the context is.
jp×g🗯️ 18:55, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Delete or keep?
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DZHH-AM[edit]

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the target talk.
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If it's not appropriate to mention it at the target (for reasons Lenticel and others said) then why is it appropriate to subtly hint that it is in some vague way related without explaining how and leaving people confused. That's just mentioning it by the back door. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Final relist. Keep or delete?
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The Big One (earthquake)[edit]

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Harley Quinn (pornographic actor)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. plicit 03:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[]

I can't determine why this redirects here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:39, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: No mention at the target yet.
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Weak delete per above. A retarget might be needed. Ahri.boy (talk) 08:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Final relist to give Jay's changes a moment to settle in. Keep or delete?
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Bartleby Project[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 03:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Not mentioned in target. Based on the name and the target, I can guess that it is about students who would "prefer not to" take standardized tests ... but there should be more than a guess behind a redirect. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[]

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