VHS capture, analog noise gets into digital artifacts.

I have see recordings and is it full om macroblocks, even on 1024x576 at 15000 kbps but if i change it to 50000 kbps, al macro blocks are gone.

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

a 16:9 picture compressed on the sides for a 4:3 frame just like on DVD 720x576 (real widescreen is 1024x576)
no black bars.

No, widescreen VHS doesn't magically have more information stored -- it still translates to 720px.

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

I have see recordings and is it full om macroblocks, even on 1024x576 at 15000 kbps but if i change it to 50000 kbps, al macro blocks are gone.

You need good denoise. And considering you're using MJPG capture crap -- not only that.

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

here:
https://forum.videohelp.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=77687&stc=1&d=1710452595

Omg. This should be shown as an example of how NOT to rip vhs. There aren't even duplicate frames there -- they're tripled there.

maybe it is better to buy a DVD (HDD) recorder with RCA/Scart in connector? (so can direct connect the VCR without scart to HDMI converter.

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

maybe it is better to buy a DVD (HDD) recorder with RCA/Scart in connector? (so can direct connect the VCR without scart to HDMI converter.

1. Each DVD-Recorder should have RCA inputs (if not, you can use an RCA->SCART converter).
2. Composite signal is the worst possible signal.

Originally Posted by rgr

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

maybe it is better to buy a DVD (HDD) recorder with RCA/Scart in connector? (so can direct connect the VCR without scart to HDMI converter.

1. Each DVD-Recorder should have RCA inputs (if not, you can use an RCA->SCART converter).
2. Composite signal is the worst possible signal.

i'm not agree RF coax is worser.

Some very old VCRs have only coax RF out.

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

Holy shit crap efen a DVD recorder puts analog into more crap.
720x576 and 4489 kbps MPEG2, and full of macroblocks on most part. Terrible!
If i'm not false this was a Sony recorder, otherwise a Panasonic. otherwise it was at least a Samsung, although I don't remember that

However this is not from a VHS but from analog TV (but that in some way the same, only a higher resoltion)

The second is from the Samsung recorder, if i'm right.
In some way the HDMI stick is better, at least there are no macroblocks at 50.000 kbps.

Do not use DVD Recorder for recording, only as a converter to HDMI.

Of course, to use for HDMI ripping, use something good, not this HDMI stick.

And what is a good HDMI stick? Example?

Originally Posted by rgr

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

Holy shit crap efen a DVD recorder puts analog into more crap.
720x576 and 4489 kbps MPEG2, and full of macroblocks on most part. Terrible!
If i'm not false this was a Sony recorder, otherwise a Panasonic. otherwise it was at least a Samsung, although I don't remember that

However this is not from a VHS but from analog TV (but that in some way the same, only a higher resoltion)

The second is from the Samsung recorder, if i'm right.
In some way the HDMI stick is better, at least there are no macroblocks at 50.000 kbps.

Do not use DVD Recorder for recording, only as a converter to HDMI.

Of course, to use for HDMI ripping, use something good, not this HDMI stick.

Why must i'm not using DVD recorder? RCA to HDMI do mess up the colloring.
And a RCA capture stick (the one i have) downgrade it to a half CIF 352x288 resolution. for example 176x144.

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

Originally Posted by rgr

Originally Posted by anonymoustly

Holy shit crap efen a DVD recorder puts analog into more crap.
720x576 and 4489 kbps MPEG2, and full of macroblocks on most part. Terrible!
If i'm not false this was a Sony recorder, otherwise a Panasonic. otherwise it was at least a Samsung, although I don't remember that

However this is not from a VHS but from analog TV (but that in some way the same, only a higher resoltion)

The second is from the Samsung recorder, if i'm right.
In some way the HDMI stick is better, at least there are no macroblocks at 50.000 kbps.

Do not use DVD Recorder for recording, only as a converter to HDMI.

Of course, to use for HDMI ripping, use something good, not this HDMI stick.

Why must i'm not using DVD recorder?

Because MPEG2 sucks as you have already proven.

Like lodsmurf says MPEG-2 can still be fine if implementation is used correctly.

I'm still happy with my recordings

https://filetransfer.io/data-package/pUP5zzzq#link

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

Originally Posted by rgr

Because MPEG2 sucks as you have already proven.

MPEG-2 is fine. But implementation can (and often does) suck.

If the image is of good quality, MPEG2 will do the trick.
And if it's of poor quality, we can see what's going on above. And postprocessing won't help anymore

Originally Posted by rgr

Originally Posted by lordsmurf

Originally Posted by rgr

Because MPEG2 sucks as you have already proven.

MPEG-2 is fine. But implementation can (and often does) suck.

If the image is of good quality, MPEG2 will do the trick.
And if it's of poor quality, we can see what's going on above. And postprocessing won't help anymore

This is not mpeg2 specific.
Any encoder produces decent results if the bitrate is sufficiently high (means low compression). Early blu-rays were mpeg2 encoded btw.

Originally Posted by Sharc

This is not mpeg2 specific.
Any encoder produces decent results if the bitrate is sufficiently high (means low compression). Early blu-rays were mpeg2 encoded btw.

Yes, but DVD Recorder will not record with a bitrate >9.5Mbps, which is unfortunately insufficient.

Originally Posted by rgr

Originally Posted by Sharc

This is not mpeg2 specific.
Any encoder produces decent results if the bitrate is sufficiently high (means low compression). Early blu-rays were mpeg2 encoded btw.

Yes, but DVD Recorder will not record with a bitrate >9.5Mbps, which is unfortunately insufficient.

9.2Mbps is decent enough for me, quality is perfectly fine for a VHS from 96 the same goes to all other recordings I do on a HDD recorder from VHS.
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/pUP5zzzq#link

Code:

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Duration                       : 1 min 18 s
Overall bit rate mode          : Variable
Overall bit rate               : 9 869 kb/s
Frame rate                     : 25.000 FPS

Video
ID                             : 224 (0xE0)
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Format settings                : CustomMatrix / BVOP
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Width                          : 720 pixels
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Time code of first frame       : 00:46:19:17
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GOP, Open/Closed               : Closed
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Audio
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Channel layout                 : L R
Sampling rate                  : 48.0 kHz
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Service kind                   : Complete Main

Originally Posted by lojelo5

Originally Posted by rgr

Originally Posted by Sharc

This is not mpeg2 specific.
Any encoder produces decent results if the bitrate is sufficiently high (means low compression). Early blu-rays were mpeg2 encoded btw.

Yes, but DVD Recorder will not record with a bitrate >9.5Mbps, which is unfortunately insufficient.

9.2Mbps is decent enough for me, quality is perfectly fine for a VHS from 96 the same goes to all other recordings I do on a HDD recorder from VHS.
https://filetransfer.io/data-package/pUP5zzzq#link

Believe me -- it's not. It is average to good if the recorder has an LSI chipset. I've done this many times. In the case of poor tapes, it is worse than the condition of the tapes themselves.

@ rgr

I wasn't saying it wasn't good enough for everyone else but it's good enough for myself. I have been capturing VHS tapes since the early 90's I have had every capture device you can think of but when Lite-on released the lvw-5045 then later the a740gx & a760gx I have used a HDD recorder it's just been less hassle and much easier for me to use than having to mess about changing PC's all the time.

Most of the VHS tapes I record are from 1987 to 2002 and all are still in very good condition.