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Happy New Year, Starship.paint![edit]

Happy New Year!

Starship.paint,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Mann Mann (talk) 05:52, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[]

Happy New Year!
Hello Starship.paint:


Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels?

Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters.

CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:17, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[]

A New Year brings new opportunities, new possibilities also it brings more days for us to all read more of the Wikipedia!!! My wish this year is for the whole world to work together and clean up or air, so we can all be able to soar, explore and learn more about the Heavens above, So we can spread our wings and ride the waves of the Milky Way! It is, Love and light that will bring us better sight!! I hope for this New Year also, is that everyone to love a-little more and hate allot less! Because it is in our very fabric of essence that this planet we call home is destined to be great!! Happy New Year !! Tiffany D. Atkins 2601:5CC:8300:5280:A87C:D8EB:A458:1C14 (talk) 02:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[]

Splitting discussion for George Pell[edit]

An article that been involved with (George Pell) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (Name to be decided). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. _MB190417_ (talk) 14:03, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[]

Nomination of Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Oaktree b (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[]

Orphaned non-free image File:Adrian Adonis with rose.jpg[edit]

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DYK for Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer[edit]

On 14 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that according to media outlet WLOS, surveillance footage appears to contradict the initial police account of the shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer at his home in Murphy, North Carolina? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[]

Laptop[edit]

What was this about? I was responding to TFD's assertion as to what "we believed". There's no problem presenting a contrary possibility on the talk page. It's not article text. Maybe the rhetorical device was too indirect, certainly it appears for Ernie, but I would not have expected such a response from you. The point was that there are large swaths of text on that page that do not follow the sources. There is no source that verifies the existance of a laptop, e.g. I'm only bugging you about this because I have no doubt that your comment will empower those who continue to push such unverified text. Cheers SPECIFICO talk 13:02, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[]

FYI Mr Ernie (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[]
@SPECIFICO: - I think there are enough sources that accept the existence of the laptop. We can disagree on that. starship.paint (exalt) 00:06, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[]
I have been surprised to find, when I go back and read the cited sources very closely, that the recent ones are careful to attribute or qualify their statements. I had taken the recent NY Magazine bit as a valid example of a source that reported the Mac Isaac narrative as fact. But I was surprised to see that they're actually reporting it as a tale while acknowledging that we currently don't know whether Mac's tale is correct. It's interesting that the extended Fox News RfC at RSN appears to show a decisive willingness to discard unsubstantiated political content such as the Murdoch's are prone to publish. Many of the editors who personally believe in Fox and Fox-adjacent narratives seem to have become more careful in their evaluations of sourcing and narratives, including the understandable but flawed practice of googling to cherrypick RS that are consistent with parts of Fox's stories. This will all be resolved in time. Cheers. SPECIFICO talk 12:10, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[]

Mistaken non-ping[edit]

I meant to ping you on this edit, but, clearly, failed. Sorry about that!--Jerome Frank Disciple 14:09, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[]

The meta-question is clearly prior to any particular choices. Putting it within the poll, -- rather than my initial temporary hatting of the poll -- was a compromise solution. It clearly does not belong after all the !votes as an afterthought, so I am asking you to reinstate it up top as an option in the poll. Placing it after the entire poll as if it were a comment is not appropriate. SPECIFICO talk 14:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[]

As I see it, SPECIFICO's poll is, essentially, a request for an early closure (and scrapping) of your poll. I don't really see why that needs to be up top, but, given that you started the poll, I think, absent some consensus otherwise, you should have say as to where it goes.--Jerome Frank Disciple 14:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[]

No, it is not a request to close. It is a request to conduct a poll after there is some agreement as to what the poll should contain. That was the problem the previous poll had, and the result in such cases is always that the poll becomes fragmented without a solid outcome. Please restore the meta-question to its location, where the group can decide whether to formalize the discussion at this time or to workshop the decision more on talk. We made some progress previously and this premature poll is not helpful right now. SPECIFICO talk 14:35, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[]

Thank you all for notifying me of your issues, @Jerome Frank Disciple, SPECIFICO, and Space4Time3Continuum2x: Unfortunately, I am rather busy at this time to edit much, and defer to the judgment of other editors on such issues. starship.paint (exalt) 23:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[]

Shooting of Aderrien Murry[edit]

The notability is in this case not about the number of sources, but about whether it will be a news event only, or something with WP:SUSTAINED coverage. If the latter is lacking, then it isn't a notable subject, no matter how many good sources you have. Fram (talk) 12:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[]

Signing[edit]

Gaah. I've gotten so used to the auto-sign feature of the new reply tool (and many other newer scripts), I find I'm often forgetting to manually add my signature when I need to. Thanks for covering for me. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[]

  • @RoySmith: - you should thank voorts [1], who noticed you didn't sign your post, but didn't notice that you were the closer, meanwhile, I did actually read your close, but I actually didn't notice that you didn't sign it. starship.paint (exalt) 14:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[]

Helping Star[edit]

The Helping Hand Barnstar
Thanks for the user talk page help! Springee (talk) 02:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[]

Blurb[edit]

I've added a nom on In the news - not totally sure about the blurbs; any thoughts/want to tweak? Iskandar323 (talk) 07:31, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[]

It's a bit of a balancing act of length vs clarity. New blurbs might be precise, but a bit wordy ... Iskandar323 (talk) 07:47, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[]
@Iskandar323: - I'm not sure how to cut it down. We can let others suggest a shorter blurb? Thanks for the nomination and the credit. starship.paint (exalt) 07:49, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[]

Speedy deletion nomination of Jason Chee (disambiguation)[edit]

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DYK nomination of Shooting of Aderrien Murry[edit]

Hello! Your submission of Shooting of Aderrien Murry at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mhhossein talk 07:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[]

Essay critique[edit]

I have created a new essay and would welcome some critique on the talk page there:

Valjean (talk) (PING me) 22:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[]

Nomination of Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shooting of Jason Harley Kloepfer (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Oaktree b (talk) 02:32, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[]

DYK for Shooting of Aderrien Murry[edit]

On 15 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Shooting of Aderrien Murry, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that police in Indianola, Mississippi, shot an unarmed 11-year-old African-American boy after responding to his 9-1-1 call for help at his home? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shooting of Aderrien Murry. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Shooting of Aderrien Murry), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[]

Hook update
Your hook reached 8,536 views (711.4 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of July 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[]

r/place source[edit]

Hello! I have seen that you removed this primary source from the r/place article. Now, I know secondary sources are preferred, but in this case I believe that the primary source can be kept. If you were to check the secondary source from "the guillotine" part, you can see that it used one similar Reddit post as its source (this one). Also, though used less, in some cases primary sources can still be used on Wikipedia (see WP:PRIMARY). Of course, if a secondary source covering this appears, we can replace the primary one. Thank you! Alin2808 (talk) 12:33, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[]

August 2023 Good Article Nominations backlog drive[edit]

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(t · c) buidhe 05:15, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[]

24-BRD violation -- Donald Trump rape[edit]

Hello Starship.
You've violated the 24-BRD page restriction at Donald Trump by repeating your addition of content concerning the details of Trump's sexual abuse of E. Jean Carroll. The sequence is

  1. Addition of "fingers" detail - here.
  2. Addition is reverted - removal, with edit summary.
  3. Repeat addition of the detail same "fingers" text.

Please self-revert you reinstatement of that content and use the article talk page if necessary. This wording is UNDUE and unencyclopedic detail for the main Trump page and it comes off as rather salacious, irrelevant, and weird when the central fact is that the judge found that her rape statement was reasonable and that Trump continued to defame her.
Thanks SPECIFICO talk 13:20, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[]

Help with Wikipedia policies?[edit]

I noticed that User:Jerome Frank Disciple retired after suffering a number of things, including accusations and incivility by User:SPECIFICO. I wanted to raise concerns because I believe User:SPECIFICO pattern of behavior often results in editors getting discouraged/abandoning.

You seem both experienced and familiar with SPECIFICO, so you seemed like the right person to go to in helping.

What I've noticed[edit]

I believe he may be engaged in WP:BRD misuse or WP:BRRR. I'm not sure: I'm not very experienced, so there may be a different way to interpret the pattern.

1. Excessive reverts of good edits

2. Quality of talk page discussion

3. Bad-faith and excessive warnings on user talk pages

NPOV-pushing can be more subjective, so I'm trying to focus solely on the meta-pattern of behavior. More specifically:

Detail[edit]

1. At times he has been an extremely frequent reverter for a number of significant pages, including hot-topic issues like Hunter Biden laptop controversy, Donald Trump.

2. These reverts seem excessive not just by their quantity, but because they are not thought out or are willfully ignorant of the specifics: e.g. [2] he reverted an edit that was supported by reliable statements because there were additional sources that were not reliable; he could have simply removed the unreliable source. He reverts an edit here [3] because it is a "primary source"; however, the primary source is justifying the statement "[Source] stated [statement]". The fact that he makes frequent reference to them suggests that he is not unfamiliar with them; when it misapplies them, it looks less like a misunderstanding and more like intentional misuse.

3. He posts an excessive number of talk-page warnings, many of which seem designed to intimidate, especially new users, and makes serious false accusations "by mistake" In the last month alone: [4] [5] [6]

4. He makes frequent reference to WP policies as justification in situations where they do not apply.

5. He has an extremely active and direct style. This is normally good, but when a reasonable fraction of edits are non-constructive, it can overwhelm normal discourse. When his directness is factored in, it can emotionally drain editors.

6. A long-time editor redited because of his accusations[7] and incivility[8]

Possible BRD misuse[edit]

Put together, it begins to look like not the intended use of BRD:

1. He makes an excessive number of reverts, not all of which are well-considered, in order to force discussion onto the talk page.

2. His reverts are often based on "no consensus" and/or "mistaken" application of WP rules, without opening talk page discussions.

3. On the talk page, he does not always engage in the best, substantive discussion, but seems to try to holds off the achievement of what he sees as "consensus". Sometimes he is constructive, but frequently he does not refute central points.

4. He makes frequent reference to the WP:BRP cycle to "educate" users, e.g.: [9]

5. In pursuit of ad-hominem, he posts an unreasonable number of warnings and accusations on other user's talk pages.

A good edit cycle means discussion. However, when this style is excessively and selectively applied, it begins to look like WP:BRD misuse.

I'm not sure how to put this all together: perhaps you have a better interpretation of what is going on.

What to do?[edit]

Four days after this user joined Wikipedia, he ended up on ANI for edit warring. [10] He has been topic-banned and wiki-banned repeatedly. However, as soon as bans expire, he seems to act the same way as before. Editing Wikipedia is usually a pleasant experience; today it was not, and I think many editors feel the same way after interacting with him. It's too bad the process allows this to happen.

Frankly, I found it exhausting, so I'll be taking a break from Wikipedia for a while. DenverCoder9 (talk) 22:51, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[]

  • @DenverCoder19: - I've reviewed your evidence and as it stands, your evidence is not strong enough. You need stronger evidence of misconduct, and there are some things you have misunderstood. starship.paint (exalt) 06:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[]
    • Details #1, 4 and 5 needs actual evidence.
    • (2a) Detail #2, on MSNBC, I suppose you are referring to this [11], is AdWeek reliable? I'm not sure, and anyway this can be passed of as a simple mistake.
    • (2b) Detail #2, on Nassim Nicholas Taleb [12], this is actually a good edit. Information on Wikipedia should be WP:DUE, based on reliable secondary sources, not just anything a person, even the article subject, posts on Twitter.
    • (3a, 3b) Detail #3, warning DarrellWinkler and ElijahPepe with a blue box is fine if they have not been warned with a blue box on the same topic within the past one year.
    • (3c) Detail #3, talk post message for Dissident93, I would say SPECIFICO is correct, the WP:ONUS is on those who want to include disputed content to achieve consensus. It does not seem that SPECIFICO exhaustively explained their actions for reverting, but then again a talk page discussion was never started by Dissident93. ** (6a) Detail #6, the incivility, I believe, was responded to by the community with a one-month topic ban.
    • (6b) Detail #6, the accusations, there's a point there, as admin Newyorkbrad said that this is being referred to as SPECIFICO seeking revenge for a sanction imposed against herself, and it is hard to avoid that conclusion ... SPECIFICO's conduct loathsome ... reward sanction-gaming. However, admin Newyorkbrad did not take any action towards SPECIFICO. While this action wasn't good, it is not necessarily worth a sanction on its own.
    • (7) Possible BRD misuse #4, I do not see any issue with that notification. starship.paint (exalt) 06:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[]

Support[edit]

I support your proposal here: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC_on_Module:Find_sources_-_replace_New_York_Times_with_Associated_Press) but I'm unable to comment as I'm blocked. I'm not T-Banned from the topic though. Feel free to copy over my indication of support as a member of the community if you so wish. I support it for the same reasons as you have identified in your vote of support below the proposal. Jack4576 (talk) 08:08, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[]

@Starship.paint, Tamzin, and Jack4576: Starship, just saw this as I reviewed the RfC at Village Pump. Posting at VP appears to fall within Jack's block from W space pages. I don't understand their point about not being banned from "the topic" - whatever topic that may be? Topic of references? Am I missing something, because this appears to be a violation of their sanction? SPECIFICO talk 19:24, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[]

I am currently on hiatus from adminship. Pinging @Jayron32 as original sanctioning admin. I have no opinion here. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 19:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[]
Hi Tamzin, sorry to bother you. I thought it had been you originally. SPECIFICO talk 21:24, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[]
If Jayron or another admin thinks it is a violation I will remove it. starship.paint (RUN) 23:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[]
No admin has raised an issue with it, so I'm not sure why you removed it. No matter though. Jack4576 (talk) 03:27, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[]
I’m not posting there another user is relaying my opinion there. It’d be a block violation if I socked, which this is not. Am I missing something? I was invited to make a contribution and I provided one for another user to copy over
I’ve been able to comment in WP space ANI discussions in the past despite my block from that space because other users copying the comment
Im not banned from contributing to discussions on this topic
If an admin wants to remove it I don’t mind. Let others be so vigilant if such strong views are held. I was invited to provide an opinion and don’t feel especially strongly
Jack4576 (talk) 00:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[]
You shouldn't be doing that. Read WP:MEAT. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 04:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[]
You misunderstand the policy
I was invited to contribute to a discussion; and this is not an example of canvassing; nor is it a covert attempt to coordinate off-site to bring about a false consensus. I invite you to read the policy you have linked more closely User:Valjean Jack4576 (talk) 03:26, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[]

Vanguard RfC[edit]

Thanks for the closing. Could you please go ahead and configure the list of deprecated sources accordingly since I, being the discussion initiator, do not feel it'd be right for me to do so? -The Gnome (talk) 13:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[]

Yes[edit]

WP:TWL, or something. Levivich (talk) 16:28, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[]

A barnstar for your efforts[edit]

The Death Barnstar
For your efforts contributing to the page Palestinian genocide accusation. Awarded by Cdjp1 (talk) 12:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[]

WP:Requested moves/Current discussions[edit]

You can't (effectively) edit that page directly. Its entire contents are built every few minutes on-the-fly by a bot, so changes made to it will quickly be erased. If you need to fix something in an RM listing, that has to be done at the RM at the talk page of the page proposed to be moved/renamed.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[]

  • @SMcCandlish: - thank you for informing me. I think I did already take those alternative actions. The move has now been closed, making this moot. But I appreciate your help! starship.paint (RUN) 02:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[]

AN thread[edit]

I missed the whole thing because I'm at a reading group with friends, but want to quickly note some things before I return to it. Frankly it got me scared to see I was at AN again, though quickly dissipated since by the time I saw it the thread was already closed.

1) I appreciated your support and don't think you have anything against me. I think we disagree on a few things but I've seen you around and generally trust your judgement as an editor. I found the near unanimous support touching and a sign that regardless of what people thought about my original case, people agreed my editing has improved and I wouldn't be an issue from now on. 2) nothing I said was disingenuous. I spent over a month drafting that appeal and part of that length of time was trying to balance the pragmatic/cynical advice to confess to everything with my principles that I will not admit to something I didn't do. I meant every word I said in that appeal. I said it a lot more tactfully than in the past, and very intentionally tried not to be rash or run my mouth off and generally carry myself with the decorum expected of me. I was under the impression that's part of what the community wanted from me. I'll note I have a reputation of being honest to a fault (for better or worse according to my critics and supporters lol) 3) the following is a hill I will die on: "you are biased against anti-trans groups and activists, therefore you are a danger to any article vaguely related to trans people" - was a grossly disproportionate response. My work in GENSEX was not a monolith and it was hurtful a specific subset of it (and I emphasize, specifically regarding hate groups and quacks) was generalized to all of it. Apples to oranges. I would not have appealed early in the first place if the ban had originally been a lighter/more targeted sanction on editing regarding anti-trans groups. All I ask is you try and put yourself in my shoes and consider how the scope of the ban relative to the charges felt. 4) like I said in my rant, and my recent appeal, and my earlier appeal(s) - I'm in no rush to edit about anti-trans groups again. I want to write about queer history again, the collateral damage of my original case per point 3. It's a purely factual statement that all my articles have had a long time consensus they're written according to NPOV, RS, and FRINGE. Also a factual statement that SPAs repeatedly said they're not, and have been refuted by consensus. I have no reason or motivation to edit them because as I've repeatedly said and fully believe, I have faith in the Wikipedia community to steward and improve them without my input. 5) like I said, I've had my lips stapled shut for months. Sure, it was a rant, but frankly I think anyone banned is entitled to a rant when unbanned to let it out of their system before editing again. In my opinion it's much better, for both Wikipedia and the individual editor, to vent honestly and openly and decompress before editing than it is to bottle it up and not be honest about the psychological effects of the ban. 6) for my curiosity, what parts of my rant did you consider factually incorrect? You quoted a few things, but I'm not sure what parts you actually objected to.

Best regards (on my phone and I've yet to update my sig so I think the new username won't show yet lol), TheTranarchist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 04:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[]

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VA discussion of Plymouth, Massachusetts and Salem, Massachusetts[edit]

Hello, I believe it was improper to close that discussion at 4-3 and have reopened it. pbp 14:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[]

DYK for Nakba denial[edit]

On 12 January 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nakba denial, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nakba denial is a form of historical negationism pertaining to the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nakba denial. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nakba denial), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Vital[edit]

I now avoid vital rankings completely, but would urge you to renominate Nuper rosarum flores and Missa Pange lingua. Simply put, Nuper rosarum is the most important work by the most important European composer of the entire 14th century. Missa Pange lingua is the most famous work by the most important composer of the entire Renaissance... At the moment, early music coverage on the list is highly skewed towards later works. Aza24 (talk) 23:37, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[]

Presenting patterns[edit]

Please don't present patterns of the likely nationality, religion, or ethnicity of other editors when discussing their responses to an RFC. It's never constructive and can end poorly. There's really no reason to compile information on editors to present at an RFC in any situation. If you have evidence rather than hunches about possible canvassing or other disruption present your evidence in the right venue. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[]

  • @ScottishFinnishRadish: - I didn't post patterns of "nationality, religion or ethnicity", I posted on activity on he.wiki. It doesn't matter if editors are Israeli (or not), Jewish (or not). That said, if you don't want me to post patterns of edits on a wiki, then alright. starship.paint (RUN) 03:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[]

ITN recognition for Kelvin Kiptum[edit]

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Wrong discussion archived.[edit]

Uh starship.paint, you accidentally archived the William T. Anderson debate on the VA project, not the Tarana Burke discussion. SailorGardevoir (talk) 01:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[]

Just undid that archive, even though I’m certain that Wikipedia is not going to like that a new user like me just did that. SailorGardevoir (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[]
@SailorGardevoir: - thank you for catching that. I used the OneClickArchiver tool and something went wrong. starship.paint (RUN) 03:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[]

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Always precious[edit]

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[]

see my talk - great opera yesterday, such things --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[]

Minor clarification to the edit of your close[edit]

Diff for context

Apologies if you were already aware :) FortunateSons (talk) 14:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[]

@FortunateSons: - I was not aware, and in any case, no need to apologise, thank you. I updated the close. starship.paint (RUN) 00:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[]
Thank you very much :) FortunateSons (talk) 06:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[]

Thank you[edit]

I attempted to edit the Kristi Noem article late last night, but I was too bleary-eyed to do it competently. I went to bed cringing about the way the newly-added section was written, particularly because, as you pointed out, the article generates huge traffic. I planned to hit it first thing this morning and was hugely relieved by your well-written, neutral, and concise edit. Thank you. JSFarman (talk) 17:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Exactly. (It doesn't seem that dramatic as a diff, but when I read it this AM it made a huge difference.) JSFarman (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[]
@JSFarman: - I see. Well, it is my hope that the details of the story (and her defense) fairly reflect her side of the story. Readers can come to whatever conclusion they wish. When the story gets condensed too much, you can't really understand why she took these actions. starship.paint (RUN) 07:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Professional wrestling notification for May 19[edit]

See no evil and fear no bologna. That is all. I tried to work in something about a chestnut tree, but simply did not. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[]

Cheers, you called it! I mean, aside from Sister Alexa the Flamingo (or whatever). Maybe she's too obvious, maybe my guy's too heelish, it doesn't matter. Five out of six is absolutely perfect. Have a hot dog, you earned it! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Notifications[edit]

Some of the notifications you issued appear inappropriate, such as the one to Wikiproject South Africa. BilledMammal (talk) 05:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]

@BilledMammal: it’s apartheid. starship.paint (RUN) 05:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Your point is? This accusation isn’t related to South Africa. BilledMammal (talk) 05:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@BilledMammal: - the current discussion is literally about apartheid, which South Africa quite famously had. starship.paint (RUN) 05:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
That doesn’t explain why this accusation, that does not involve South Africa, is relevant to their WikiProject. Please remove the notification, to prevent any potential WP:CANVASS issues. BilledMammal (talk) 05:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@BilledMammal: - the editors there may be more familiar with apartheid, the subject of the RfC. No, I won’t remove it, but if you want to remove it, you can take action. starship.paint (RUN) 05:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
To be clear, you are giving me permission to remove it? BilledMammal (talk) 05:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@BilledMammal: - no, I’m not, but you don’t need my permission to remove it. It is within your ability to revert my notification. I will simply note it in the RFC discussion. starship.paint (RUN) 05:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I'm not going to edit another editors comment, outside of blatant talk page policy violations, without their permission. I had hoped you would do it yourself; the justification for making the notification is tenuous at best, and as such now concerns have been expressed it would be best practice to remove it. BilledMammal (talk) 05:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Sure, up to you. No, I won’t remove it myself just because of your concerns. But if anyone reverts, I won’t be edit warring or reporting to WP:AE/ANI, though maybe other editors will. starship.paint (RUN) 06:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Wow, that seems like a weak justification. So do Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, and Malaysia. It would be inappropriate to notify WikiProject Germany for an RfC on accusations of genocide in the lede of Indonesia. Zanahary (talk) 02:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
At the risk of solving 0 problems and pissing off everyone, would notifying Judaism not be the appropriate remedy? Then we would have added a project with similar distance? FortunateSons (talk) 08:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@FortunateSons: - do it if you wish, you won't see me complaining about that, though I can't speak for everyone, of course. With this RfC, I think I can change my name to Joe Biden. starship.paint (RUN) 08:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Thank you. I’ll wait for a second person to respond, just to make sure.
Yeah, ARBPIA can be though, Mr. President. ;) FortunateSons (talk) 08:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I've just noticed that BilledMammal wrote "Some of the notifications..." rather than "One of the notifications...". Is there more disagreement than I first realized? For the record FortunateSons, I don't object to any Wikiproject notifications. I think it's better to focus on increasing participation because it solves multiple problems at once. My reading of the guidelines is that there is a lot of wiggle-room in the terms like 'related' and 'may have interest in the topic under discussion' when the objective is "broadening participation". Notifying projects Israel and Palestine is an obvious choice. The Discrimination, Human Rights and South Africa notifications match the projects involved with the Crime of apartheid article. There are multiple projects involved with the Israel article so maybe there should be some more notifications based on interest in that article. I suppose there are risks of bias with all of the notifications, but it could be argued that Wikiprojects are inherently biased by design, or you could say focused. I think ARBPIA RfCs should be illuminated from lots of different directions. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Sean.hoyland: - I am pretty sure that "Some" equals "One" because at the time BilledMammal first posted on my talk page, I had not yet notified Discrimination / Law / Human rights. starship.paint (RUN) 10:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Right. I could have figured that out myself by maybe doing some due diligence before posting a comment... Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]

<- This conversation is both funny and confusing. The accusation isn’t related to South Africa, but it is related to apartheid, which Wikiproject South Africa participants presumably know something about, so we can conclude...(I have no idea what goes here). Good luck with that. Would it be appropriate or inappropriate to notify Wikiproject Cambodia or Wikiproject Rwanda for genocide accusation related RfCs? I have no idea. Either way, I would like to commend Starship.paint's efforts to increase the community population sample size for the RfC. Low participation numbers for ARBPIA related RfCs etc. seems to be quite a common issue. Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Yes, I saw the other notifications. It made me think about objective or different ways to decide who to notify and increase participation. What got my attention is that you and BilledMammal seem to be using quite different methods. I guess you are both doing some kind of distance estimation, how close is A to B, but with different (conceptual) landscapes and yardsticks e.g. for you, apartheid to SA is a short distance, but for BilledMammal it's Israel to SA, and that is a large distance, too far. Maybe there should be some random Wikiprojects for every RfC, who knows. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Certainly Sean.hoyland, I appreciate that this is a grey area, and I do not begrudge BilledMammal for thinking that way. One more thing to note is that Israel and apartheid has over 60 mentions of either "South Africa" or "South African" in article text, so it seems that South African certainly isn't independent of this topic. starship.paint (RUN) 08:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
That was one of the ways I was thinking about. Get all internal wiki links in an article with counts, then get all the Wikiprojects for those linked articles, and rank them by count. Could be wildly misleading, or useful. Hard to tell without trying. Sean.hoyland (talk) 08:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Since FortunateSons notified the Judaism project, I see no reason not to do same for the Islam, Christianity and Arab projects. M.Bitton (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
The purpose was counterweight for any alleged issues with the SA notification. I could have also gone for USA/Germany, but the idea was not having every single project notified. FortunateSons (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Now that said notifications have happened, I believe that the appropriate neutrality of notification is no longer given. In addition, the issue with the SA vote is no longer appropriately addressed. FortunateSons (talk) 15:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Which is more relevant to the RfC, Judaism or the others (Islam, Christianity and Arabs)? As for South Africa, as well as being associated with the word "apartheid", there is also what the South Africans think of this. M.Bitton (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I would say Judaism definitely is closer than Christianity and arguably closer than Islam, with about equivalent proximity between SA and Judaism. I would say that Arab is definitely too far away.
However, the primary issue here is balance within the notifications. FortunateSons (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
"Closer" how? Is Israel's Apartheid against them or against the Palestinians (who are Arabs, Christians and Muslims)? M.Bitton (talk) 15:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I’m basing it on the proximity between this issue and every other issue (basically: would it be unreasonable to inform the group of every other comparable or closer issue.) To make it simple: if this was the standard, we would have to notify Christianity of every single case where a prosecuted group is partially Christian, and that would be disproportionate.
Israels alleged apartheid would be directed against Palestinians (as in: people who are not Israelis), the claims of that group including Arab citizens of Israel (which would then be based on religious/ethnic membership instead of nationality) is a lot more dubious. FortunateSons (talk) 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
You still haven't explained how Judaism is "closer". M.Bitton (talk) 16:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
That’s always an intuitive measure, however (data is slightly old):
  1. 40% of Jews life in Israel
  2. in the USA (where about the other 40% live), Eight-in-ten U.S. Jews say caring about Israel is an essential or important part of what being Jewish means to them
  3. 76 % of people in Israel are Jewish
Therefore, I would say it’s reasonable that there is a close connection between many Jews and Israel. FortunateSons (talk) 16:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I'm not buying it. The close connection between the word apartheid and the ones who are subjected to it (based on their religions and ethnicity) is way more important than the religion of those who are perpetrating it, but since one may argue that they are interlinked and you already notified the latter, then there is no reason not to notify the former. M.Bitton (talk) 16:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I think this is about the point in time where we need third-party input:
a) was my notification appropriate?
b) were @M.Bittons notifications appropriate?
c) would notifying one or more adequate projects be inappropriate to counterbalance any potential bias-issue due to b (regardless of the outcome of b)?
@BilledMammal@Sean.hoyland@Starship.paint FortunateSons (talk) 16:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I justified the notifications based on yours (using the exact words). I'm done here, so please don't ping me again. M.Bitton (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I think looking at this in terms of two other persecutions would be helpful. Would you describe The Holocaust as relating more to Judaism or Christianity? The Crusades as relating more to Christianity or Islam? In the first example, most people would associate The Holocaust with Judaism, the religion being persecuted. In the second example, I think most Westerners at least would associate the Crusades with Christianity, those doing the persecuting. In a sense, you're both correct. Just because we think ourselves that one group is more significantly attached to an event, policy, idea, conflict, etc. doesn't mean it isn't relevant to something else. Not that I think notifying all of these groups is particularly helpful, but I can see some merit in both sides of this argument. I think now may be the time to just disengage and continue making useful contributions to the encyclopaedia elsewhere. Adam Black talk • contribs 16:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Thank you for the thoughtful contribution. You’re probably right about a) and b) (from which I intend to disengage). However, I would appreciate a response to c), if you are willing to give one? :) FortunateSons (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]
In my opinion, notifying as many relevant projects as possible is never a bad thing. Including all sides of an argument is important, there are enough accusations of bias against Wikipedia as it is. As long as you can reasonably justify the notifications which I think has been done here. For example, notifying WP:WikiProject Mammals would be inappropriate as, even though everyone involved is a mammal, it's hardly relevant to that project's aims. Judaism and Israel and inexorably linked; accusations of Israeli apartheid are relevant to Islam, Christianity and Arabs. So, I see no real harm in these notifications, other than perhaps it going a little overboard. Adam Black talk • contribs 17:01, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Well, I certainly didn’t expect all of this! @FortunateSons and M.Bitton: - sorry to notify you again. I’m now willing to undo my WT:ZA notification if both of you can also agree to undo your notification(s). How does that sound? Shall we all undo, or all leave the notifications as is? Offer’s on the table. starship.paint (RUN) 00:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]

@BilledMammal I think South Africa is fine? My understanding is that it is really not South Africa as a country making the apartheid accusation, it is the African National Congress, which just lost its majority in parliament for the first time in democratic history. Wafflefrites (talk) 03:22, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Are you maybe confusing the apartheid accusation (which is a long-standing characterization that I don't think is associated with any particular country as its author) with the genocide accusation (which the ANC has brought to an international court)? Zanahary (talk) 03:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
😞 Yes, I am very confused now. Some sources mention South Africa accusing Israel of apartheid in the UN court. [14] I think some people in South Africa may think Israel is committing apartheid, and others not, based on video interviews I have seen. Seems the citizens of South Africa have pretty divided opinions on this too, which is why I didn’t think notifying the Wikipedia South Africa project is necessarily a biased action. Wafflefrites (talk) 03:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
It seems like it was mentioned in South Africa's case at the ICJ. See South Africa's genocide case against Israel. Second paragraph in the lead, including what South Africa described as Israel's 75-year apartheid (reference 1 includes a relevant quote). Adam Black talk • contribs 04:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
With respect, I'm sure it's been mentioned in national resolutions or statements by the governments of Syria, Iran, and Russia, too. That is not a reason to notify their Projects. Zanahary (talk) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
My latest comment wasn't an endorsement of notifying WikiProject South Africa, it was simply a reply to your comment about confusing the apartheid accusations and the genocide case (apartheid was mentioned in the case) and Wafflefrites' response to that comment, providing a little extra context. Anyway, like I said to the other editors above, I think it's time to disengage. Everyone has made their opinions clear, it's done now, what is to be gained by debating the merits of this notification ad nauseum? Adam Black talk • contribs 04:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
This "Seems the citizens of South Africa have pretty divided opinions on this too" is one of the ways I thought about the SA project notification too, as a kind of sanity check, like notifying WikiProject Thailand for an RfC about a Thai food festival or whatever in Idaho. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I’m happy undo my notifications if everyone else is willing, and thank you for your offer :) FortunateSons (talk) 05:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Right, so, if M.Bitton can agree to undo, we'll all undo, but if M.Bitton does not agree, then we'll leave them as is. starship.paint (RUN) 07:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Sounds good FortunateSons (talk) 07:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Leave them. With a bit of luck, they might attract much needed input to the RfC that was previously closed for lack of participation, among other things. M.Bitton (talk) 19:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@FortunateSons: - ^ we are leaving the notifications there. starship.paint (RUN) 01:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Alright, thank you for your suggestion anyway :) FortunateSons (talk) 08:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[]

<- It's quite tempting to notify WP:WikiProject Mammals just to see what would happen...foiled by the pesky WP:NOTLAB policy again. There might be arguments in favor of doing random things like that sometimes for potentially contentious RfCs in polarized topic areas. Borrow one of evolution's tricks to randomize the sampling of a search space a bit via mutation (of the guidelines in this case). Sean.hoyland (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Out of line[edit]

You are taking an extreme action for which there is no consensus. You cannot do this. At the very least, ask ScottishFinnishRadish who closed the discussion about the best next steps. There is the alternative simpler approach of re-closing my RfC by another editor; this is a position many people endorsed.

Taking the step of creating a new nearly-identical RfC is a massive waste of time, and I'm also concerned that the new artificial wording you proposed is basically designed to make things more favourable for the pro-Israel POV. It is a very unnatural wording. JDiala (talk) 08:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]

  • @JDiala: - SFR literally said I suggest that this be retried with a neutral RFC statement and widely advertised at Wikiprojects that may be interested in order to address the concerns of uninvolved parties at AN that this RFC did not gather enough participation and was not widely advertised. The wording I proposed was based on the discussion section of your RfC. I checked the sources and indeed, HRW, Amnesty and B'tselem have said that it amounts to apartheid. starship.paint (RUN) 08:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
  • @JDiala: - I would advise you to tread carefully in the topic area, if you continue actions like nuking the RfC, you'll probably be taken to WP:AE by another editor, it won't need to be me. starship.paint (RUN) 08:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Starship.paint: This is a threat. The only one who "nuked" anything was you. I refer you to WP:ASPERSIONS. There was absolutely no consensus in the discussion for a new RfC, and in the closing statement of that discussion there was no mention of closing the RfC. Even if SFR said that separately on Talk:Israel, he has no authority to unilaterally make these calls. You need to take next steps via consensus. JDiala (talk) 09:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
On the contrary, there is consensus that there are significant concerns about the last RfC, and that opening a new one would be an effective remedy. Particularly on this topic, a ‘clean’ RfC with a high amount of proper participation is almost mandatory, and there is no reason to be this critical of @Starship.paint.
I would kindly ask you to make an effort to be nicer to your fellow editors, as was asked by both @ScottishFinnishRadish and me before. FortunateSons (talk) 09:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@FortunateSons: There was no consensus to create a new RfC. This is incorrect. You can read the closing statement and the opinions of the editors there. There were several people of the view that it could be simply be re-closed by another uninvolved editor. It is ironic that you are accusing others of being "not nice" while you falsely accused editors of being antisemetic. JDiala (talk) 09:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@JDiala:, no, it's not a threat, I don't intend to take you to WP:AE, and I'm not talking on behalf on anyone else, so I am not threatening you on behalf of others. I simply want to impress upon you the precarious position that you are in, which literally anyone could report. You closed your own RFC in favour of your favoured position, and then you deleted the replacement RFC. That's two controversial actions. Now you're finding conflict with FortunateSons as well. I just wouldn't do all of that. You're in a controversial topic area. starship.paint (RUN) 09:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Starship.paint:It is a threat. How would you describe saying to a woman "don't wear that skirt, someone might rape you". This is how I feel. I feel attacked and vulnerable. You also haven't engaged with my arguments. There simply was not consensus for your particular action. The closer on WP:AN is also at fault as he should have ideally clearly indicated next steps. JDiala (talk) 09:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
???? FortunateSons (talk) 09:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@JDiala: - well, if you feel you haven't done anything wrong, please proceed however you please. I'm sorry for having contributed to your negative feelings. The way I see it, SFR gave several avenues to proceed. Since no one re-closed the original RFC, and no one modified the original RFC, I decided to start a new one. In my view, I took one of several valid avenues. starship.paint (RUN) 09:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Starship.paint: As a matter of courtesy, you could have discussed the matter briefly with others before taking the radical step. I note that the decision to eliminate the prior RfC wastes not only my time, but also that of every voter in the prior RfC who took the time. JDiala (talk) 09:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@JDiala: - acknowledged and I will try to remember that for the future. Though, I did ping everyone (I think) from the previous RFC, and past comments can still be copied. starship.paint (RUN) 09:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Well, me describing that comment as I perceived as misguided at best and that I believe a reasonable person can interpret as antisemitic at worst. is reasonable, and considering I said it on an admin talk page, I don’t think that it was a significant policy violation.
I’m don’t particularly care that you’re reacting like that to me, I understand that me being the (indirect) cause of you having to remove that content from your user page probably doesn’t feel great. However, this is both becoming a pattern and affecting other users in a way that seems disproportional, and that’s the point in time where it stops being unpleasant and starts being disruptive. FortunateSons (talk) 09:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
False allegations of antisemitism are far more serious than anything I have said or done. I'd suggest looking in the mirror before faulting others. JDiala (talk) 09:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I’m honestly not sure how to even respond to this FortunateSons (talk) 09:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@FortunateSons: - I'm not saying you have done anything wrong, I'm just suggesting you disengage. starship.paint (RUN) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Yeah, that’s probably a good idea. Thanks FortunateSons (talk) 09:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]
  • (talk page stalker) Indeed, there was no clear need to close the original RfC, and I can't think of a supporting policy. Ongoing RfCs are not normally closed by third parties on a whim. There will always be editors who dislike specific RfC options, and the best course of action is to propose alternative wording. Now, however, there's no point to relitigate – the RfC has been closed and a new one opened with good participation. JDiala, feel free to propose a better wording in this RfC – you're welcome to add it as another option if you like. — kashmīrī TALK 11:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Constitutional Barnstar
Your decision to procedurally close and re-open the RfC at Talk:Israel was the right move and you should be applauded. I don't think it's likely to change the outcome, but the process will definitely be fairer and more broadly representative. Adam Black talk • contribs 00:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]

I mentioned you in an AE report[edit]

The thread is JDiala.

Thank you.

Editor was not directly named, that was a stylistic and not a policy choice, so is being notified later FortunateSons (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Antioch churches[edit]

What’s is your affiliation with Antioch or All Peoples Church? You clearly have a connection. 2600:1011:B068:385C:CA3:E51F:4EF1:9A53 (talk) 20:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Archive[edit]

Hi, was this the correct archive to use? Why level 2? Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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