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New Articles (May 20 to May 26)[edit]

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{{PCGamingWiki}} seems strange to have, no? It reminded me of the AfD on the GameFAQs template. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[]
But at the same time we still have {{MobyGames}} & co. IceWelder [✉] 22:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[]
The WP:WHATABOUTX (or even "WP:ALLORNOTHING") about MobyGames also came up in that discussion. Does linking to a page on PCGamingWiki mean the reader gets a greater understanding of the subject? Their wiki onBioShock Infinite for instance is great if you want to skip the introduction video, add a Turkish fan translation or disable lens flare effects, but how does that help the general reader? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[]
AfD'ed. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 08:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Demos[edit]

I guess this is as good a time to bring it up as any. Sometimes I find fairly detailed articles in reliable sources that discuss a released game, but the very last line of the article is something like "I hope the final version is as fun as this demo that I just played." And I do a facepalm because I just wasted all that time reading an article about a demo. But it is coverage, so maybe it counts toward establishing notability? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]

I don't see why it wouldn't count towards GNG, as a demo is almost always pretty heavily representative of the final game. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Yeah, no reason at all why it wouldn't both be suitable for GNG purposes, and also for being cited for gameplay and the like. All GNG requires is in-depth coverage of the subject. An in-depth article about a game soon to come out is also suitable for GNG. There's no reason why we can't attribute information to an article that talks about only a part of the full game. Heck, if we required all reviews to have played the full game, we wouldn't have many citations at all. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Maybe it's because I'm a programmer, but I don't think using demos to describe the gameplay of a released game is such a good idea. A demo is not "part of the full game", it's an entirely different product. It's a pain in the ass to maintain two different code bases, which is why some demos are removed from distribution. If the demo is still available, maybe. But if it has been deleted because it's so out of date that it's no longer representative of the game, no. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I was suggesting to use common sense. There's plenty of demos that are simply parts of the main game. There's obviously some demos that contain things that aren't in the main title, but in most cases it's mostly the same stuff.
Obviously, if the gameplay does vary significantly from what's in a demo review, then it's not suitable. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Definitely establishes notability. I think as long as proper context is given - the Wikipedia prose establishing that it about a demo in some capacity - you're good to go. Sergecross73 msg me 15:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Previews can establish notability like reviews or other coverage. Sometimes the writer hasn't even played the game, for example in behind closed doors presentations. --Mika1h (talk) 18:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Good article reassessment/Afd for Haytham Kenway[edit]

A good article Haytham Kenway has been nominated for deletion. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the AfD page. Thank you. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 06:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Request for feedback at Naming conventions[edit]

Hello, I hope this is allowed or the right place for it. I would like to request some feedback in a section in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (video games). The discussion regards a rule/guide in the Naming conventions page's Disambiguation section that seems to be inconsistently followed. I wasn't sure if it was something worth looking into fixing or if there was a reason for the discrepancy. Thanks! Ringtail Raider (talk) 16:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Merge proposal for Neo Geo Pocket/Color[edit]

I propose merging Neo Geo Pocket Color with Neo Geo Pocket (mono). I attempted to find more information on Neo Geo Pocket (mono) to see if it was notable on its own, but I couldn't find much. It only existed for one year, released 9 titles, and was immediately replaced by its color version. On top of that, only released in Japan and Hong Kong apparently. it reminds me of the WonderSwan where both the mono and the color version are under one article.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 13:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[]

bumpBlue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 13:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I think the best course of action is to be bold. If anyone objects, I'm happy to discuss it further.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 17:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I support it. The mono is pretty short as is. Sergecross73 msg me 18:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[]

New Articles (June 10 to June 16)[edit]

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Infobox question[edit]

Hi, quick question. I recently ran into an infobox issue on Shin Megami Tensei V (which I'm planning on doing an expansion/future GAN on) relating to the user XeronTokyo. It started with a disagreement about Hiroshi Sasazu's status as an artist rather than a game designer (credits don't make clear), and now onto the large number of writers added in with the release of the Vengeance version. Putting aside what I think about the user's habit of adding in what I would count as excessive or inaccurate staff information to infoboxes, what is the sensible limit for how many staff to include? I was teetering towards an edit war situation, and I'd like some solid Wikipedia policy to fall back on. ProtoDrake (talk) 13:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Template:Infobox video game has a guide for different credit fields. --Mika1h (talk) 13:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]
WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE also outlines that they should be used similar to how we write a WP:LEAD - we should generally only be including items in the infobox that are covered further later in the article body. So that could be used to help trim some items too, hypothetically. Might get some pushback though, like I do when I enforce it, because I don't think our content area always does so well in following this guidance.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Usually we try to limit to just the lead staff of that field, ideally around three or so. In Shin Megami Tensei V's case, I'd argue against adding any enhanced edition staff, which just bloats up the infobox, and adding them in prose if notable/relevant. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 13:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Opinions on notability of Free Fire (video game)[edit]

This article gets a great deal of traffic, but I happened to notice that most of the sources are either unreliable or trivial. I am having serious trouble finding anything that would show it passed GNG in the slightest. Since it appears to be so major, I am looking for a second opinion as to whether it is notable, especially as it was made under dubious circumstances (the original creator is blocked). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[]

The article is a mess, but I see focused sustained coverage by reliable sources already in use, including (just going down the list): Straits Times (a newspaper), Sensor Tower (an accepted source on mobile statistics), Pocket Gamer, GameSpot, IGN (numerous editions), Dot Esports (not my favorite source but we accept it as reliable), Game Pressure, Esports Insider, all the usual Valnet suspects, News 18 (newspaper), Yahoo, ANN, The Verge, TechCrunch (an inconclusive). Notably, I didn't list the multiple Indian newspapers, as some of them are under active discussion as generally unreliable, such as the Times of India, but they are all present. There's nothing dubious about the creation: The editor was blocked years later for unrelated concerns. -- ferret (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Proposal for an alternate approach to splitting platform-based video game lists[edit]

As it stands, certain platform-based video game lists (ex. List of PlayStation games (A–L), List of Nintendo DS games (0–C)) are overwhelmingly large, and the alphabet-based method of dividing them seems arbitrary in where exactly the splits are made. Over at the Japanese Wiki, I've noticed that their video game lists for the most prolific platforms are divided by year rather than alphabetically, which from my point of view seems more efficient; apart from divisions by release year being more objective, each of the lists for, example, the PlayStation number in the few hundreds, which is a sufficient size without being either scant or daunting. I figured I'd run this approach by the Project and hopefully put it into consideration as a potential method of overhauling these lists for the sake of making them more manageable. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 04:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[]

I'm not sure if it's "more objective" persay, since release years can be confusing if they can differ by years. Someone who's sure that a DS game came out in 2006, for example, would be confused that it's not in there, since they don't know it was originally released in 2005. Harryhenry1 (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Another thing to point out is that Japanese games typically get a earlier release in Japan than in other regions. For example, Final Fantasy XIII came out in 2009 in Japan but wouldn't see a worldwide release until 2010. That might get a little confusing. Famous Hobo (talk) 05:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Yeah, some games have different release years depending on the region and that would get really confusing really quickly. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[]

In-game dialogue as a source[edit]

I used a lot of tutorial dialogue to source gameplay elements in the Spark the Electric Jester and Spark the Electric Jester 2 articles. I did this after looking at the Sonic After the Sequel article and figured it was fine; it didn't seem to be a problem in the GA nomination process for both articles either. I don't see much difference between citing something like an in-game tutorial and an instruction manual, but I rarely see articles do the former so I'm wondering if this is problematic. Although the games are lean on coverage I could definitely rewrite the gameplay sections for both to omit details sourced from the dialogue. To be honest I feel like these games only borderline meet notability so I'm admittedly worried about drawing attention to this, but I'd rather rip that bandage off now. I just wanna be sure what the future of these articles will be and if they're problematic in any way. LBWP (talk) 01:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Based on the current sources, I'd agree with the assessment of both being borderline. We've deleted plenty of articles before with only a couple SIGCOV in reliable sources and those don't seem much different. They're both at extreme risk of deletion, IMO.
Sourcing things to ingame dialog isn't technically bad, but if you have to do it for the gameplay, it usually means that the significant coverage needed to fully flesh out the article doesn't exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Well, I didn't necessarily have to do it for the gameplay, but I wanted to describe it greater detail so I went with the in-game refs. I've played around with omitting details sourced from the games in sandbox and they could definitely still exist, I just wouldn't be able to describe some specific attacks or mechanics. You'd still be getting a satisfactory outline of the gameplay, and I'd be willing to implement those changes in the articles if enough people had a problem with it. Regardless, I'll stick exclusively to secondary sources for a Spark the Electric Jester 3 article. That's apparently coming to Switch soon so game journalists will finally be forced to pay attention to this series lmfao. LBWP (talk) 18:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[]
  1. https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/spark-the-electric-jester-is-more-than-mere-homage
  2. https://hardcoregamer.com/previews/spark-the-electric-jester-is-a-shockingly-fine-platformer/160521/
  3. https://www.siliconera.com/genesis-style-platformer-spark-the-electric-jester-should-be-out-early-2016/
A lot of the time when seeing if something meets the WP:GNG, someone will ask you for your best WP:THREE examples. I believe this lineup would probably keep you from getting the article deleted if anyone ever tried... Sergecross73 msg me 18:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[]
The last one, from Siliconera, I would argue is not SIGCOV. It's simply an announcement listing the game's devteam, there's no analysis or critique there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[]
It's an RS writing an article dedicated entirely to the subject. To each their own, but I've saved articles at AFD with less. Sergecross73 msg me 18:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Article rejected based on sources[edit]

Please see below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Goodboy_Galaxy

How is NintendoLife for example not a reliable secondary source in regards to video games? Oz346 (talk) 12:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

I'm not sure I particularly agree with that rejection, but it's not exactly a home run either. There's very little content and only a handful of reliable sources. Nintendo life is reliable, but barely and not exactly high quality. Eurogamer and Time Extension are both reliable sources, but the articles are pretty brief. Sergecross73 msg me 13:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Nintendo Life is listed as a reliable source at WP:VG/S. Vacant0 (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]
The same goes for TechRadar, EuroGamer and Time Extension. Vacant0 (talk) 13:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Nintendo Life is a reliable source but Time Extension review is the only one I'd call significant coverage, others are just short announcements. Retro101 is not a reliable source. --Mika1h (talk) 13:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Articles for creation is generally voluntary. As long as you don't have a conflict of interest, you're not being paid, or something like that, you can just move the article into mainspace yourself. However, if there isn't significant coverage, the article is likely to be nominated for deletion. How much coverage is required kind of depends on the person, but this project seems to lean toward a more deletionist POV. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

FAC looking for reviews[edit]

Heyo, my FAC for Teardown is currently looking for reviews. I can reciprocate with FA/GA/PR reviews if you need. Please find the FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Teardown (video game)/archive1. Cheers! IceWelder [✉] 13:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Will take a look at it. Vacant0 (talk) 13:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Help with notable sources for 'Draft:The Last Clockwinder'[edit]

My draft article for 'The Last Clockwinder' was rejected due to the references not containing significant coverage and the reviewer @Bonadea recommended asking here for help (thank you!).

This is my first attempt at an article so I'd love any help making it better! I've since found some more sources that could qualify as significant coverage - would these be considered as reliable and would they improve the article?

  1. PSU: The Last Clockwinder Review
  2. Road to Vr: ‘The Last Clockwinder’ Review – So Much More Than Just Robots Picking Fruit
  3. 6DOF: The Last Clockwinder Review
  4. Dexerto: The Last Clockwinder PS VR2 review – Virtual ingenuity at its finest
  5. The Sixth Axis: The Last Clockwinder PSVR2 Review

If not, any recommendations for what kind of articles I should use instead or where to look? JuniperLightning (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

WP:VG/S has a massive list of sources to use or stay away from, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 15:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Seems like a notable game. Looking at Metacritic & WP:VG/S: Push Square, Multiplayer.it, Play UK, and Edge are reliable sources. --Mika1h (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

New Articles (June 17 to June 23)[edit]

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Metroid games and genres[edit]

I've seen this referenced in a few Metroid articles that suggest to read the discussion from ten (!) years ago here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 104#FPS vs First person action adventure. While I generally agree with personally, the genre has since been applied across almost all the Metroid game articles since and most of them had no citations to back it up. This becomes especially problematic to just make a bold sweep of these, as the reception to games like Metroid Prime 3 have said that it played more like a shooter game than the others. These all require sources, and I'm surprised they lasted this long as so many of them are featured articles and good articles.

The previous discussion wasn't backed up by any sources and sort of just what I'd describe as "feeling it out", so I'm just sort of re-bringing it up as the last discussion did not come up with a solution that follows WP:RS, WP:OR and WP:SUBJECTIVE. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

I would think that the logical genres for most Metroid games is metroidvania, with the bulk being also platforms, while the Prime series being FPS (in the same way Portal is a puzzle game and FPS).
While action adventure may apply, the more specific subgenre of metroidvania is clear here. — Masem (t) 20:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Two points to follow these up.
This won't be a popular opinion, but this is why it's bad to organize an encyclopedia using neologisms and marketing terms. You'll find that sources are more consistent if you focus on less trendy names, particularly when Metroid and Castlevania games were simply called action-adventure games. It's fine to note their later marketing as metroidvanias in the prose, but because this will be inconsistent, it's better to avoid this for categorization. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]
See this is the issue with going by assumptions of what things are/were called among press.
1980s:
"Another one of those famous platform arcade adventures" source
  • Computer Entertainer (1987): "Adventure fans will have a wonderful time with this solid and well constructed adventure. [...] If you enjoy action_ adventures, don’t miss this one!" source
Retrospective:
  • AllGame: "Shooter -> Style Platform Shooter" [1]
  • IGN: " The game is an action/platformer, a side-scroller that puts you in the role of galactic bounty hunter Samus Aran." here
  • GameSpot: "Genre: Action" here
  • GameSpot: "the overall package just doesn't measure up to today's action adventure standards." here
  • GameSpot: "rendition of Metroid was considered a classic in the 2D action adventure genre." here.
So from this, action adventure does come off a bit more, but there are several other terms used which don't seem clear to me. In this case it's good, but this is why we need to go by a case by case basis for these things. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[]
It helps that platforms are categorized as a type of action game, so platform adventure is at least verifiable as a type of action adventure. Shooterwalker (talk) 10:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]

IHRA Professional Drag Racing 2005 and IHRA Drag Racing: Sportsman Edition developer[edit]

Bethesda Game Studios is listed as developer for both of these games on their own page but the sources for both don't explicitly list BGS as the developer for these. Should we change the developer to just Bethesda Softworks? Timur9008 (talk) 05:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Bethesda Game Studios was established in 2001 as development division and Bethesda Softworks focused only on publishing.[2] So it's very likely that Game Studios developed those titles, but I guess that constitutes as WP:OR, so we still have to go what the sources say and list the developer as "Bethesda Softworks". --Mika1h (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[]
User:IceWelder what do you think? Timur9008 (talk) 05:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]
BGS's logo is shown on the website for 2005 and the box for Sportsman Edition, so I think listing it should be fine. IceWelder [✉] 17:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]
Didn't even notice that. Thanks! Timur9008 (talk) 21:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Second opinion needed for Klefki GAN[edit]

Bringing this up here because it's been left on hold for awhile, but there's been a longstanding request for a second opinion over at Talk:Klefki/GA1 to assess the article if anyone's able to give it a hand. I helped with the article so I feel unqualified to be able to objectively. Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Request for further comment at Merge discussions[edit]

There are a few ongoing merge discussions related to video game characters that would appreciate some further input from other editors at Talk:The_Stanley_Parable#The Narrator (The Stanley Parable) merge discussion and Talk:Anor_Londo#Ornstein_and_Smough_Merge_Proposal. All comments are appreciated in order to settle on a consensus. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Video game RfD discussions[edit]

There are two redirects from video games listed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 26 that are in the interest of this WikiProject. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 05:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Sega development divisions[edit]

There is a discussion in regards to the future of the pages for the development divisions that are within Sega such as moving the pages from their brand names to their division names, to avoid possible further confusion (in regards to games that are not Sonic or Yazkuza/Like a Dragon done by the big two divisions: CS1 (RGG Studio) & CS2 (Sonic Team)). Any advice or input is very appreciated, more info on this can be found on the Sega talk page. VenezuelanSpongeBobFan2004 (talk) 15:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[]

D. C. Douglas[edit]

Can someone take a look at this? Article is already loaded with unreliable sources, but it also have COI and OWN issues. The editor, who is apparently Douglas kept reverting edits that he doesn't like. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 03:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[]

While I agree that this is a pretty apparent case of COI and should be dealt with, this actor has absolutely nothing to do with video games. He has never done voice work for a video game, and he's not even under this project. I don't really see how he's relevant to us specifically. (Nevermind, apparently he has) He might be relevant to Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga, though. I'd also recommend bringing this up at the conflict of interest noticeboard. λ NegativeMP1 03:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[]
He actually voiced two video game characters (and is known to voice Wesker), but I guess I may be wrong. Since I already posted here, I don't think its necessary to expound more. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 04:08, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[]
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