Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 24
June 24[edit]
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 24, 2024.
Wikipedia:FM[edit]
- Wikipedia:FM → Wikipedia:WikiProject Freemasonry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I think we should disambiguate, there are so many topics for this like WikiProject FSM (Federated states of micronesia), File Mover, Featured media, the wikiproject film filmmaking task force, wikiproject film, wikiproject french military history and more. I personally think disambiguate but I'm wondering if anyone objects to this. 48JCL 22:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate with WP:WikiProject Radio, WP:WikiProject Radio stations, WP:FSMicronesia -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not well experienced with precedent on internal shortcuts but my gut is saying Keep, maybe add the other projects to the current hatnote. These internal shortcuts are only useful if they're consistent - I assume people don't use them by typing
WP:(some acronym they assume relates to the topic)and hoping for the best, but by remembering the specific shortcuts for the specific topics. They aren't like search terms, which require occasional disambiguation, they're concrete shortcuts to specific places - they either link to the correct place or they're useless. Are there any existing examples of a WP: shortcut going to a disambiguation? Feels incorrect to me, but happy to be proven wrong BugGhost🪲👻 15:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)- eg. WP:A just goes to WP:Attribution, not a disambig between WP:Administrators, WP:Articles, WP:Arbcom, WP:Autobiography, etc. BugGhost🪲👻 15:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are many WP-space disambiguation pages. WP:1st (disambiguation) has the parenthetical, while WP:PT does not, but does has the redirect WP:PT (disambiguation) -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for digging out some examples - Looks like WP:1st (disambiguation) was only created to reduce an unwieldy hatnote on a page aimed at new users. Going through WP:PT's history it looks like it faced a couple of takeovers (for Portugal, and Primary Topic) which led to a disambiguation page to compromise. I don't think those rationales apply to this case, as WP:FM's history is unchanged since 2006, and more topics could be added to the hatnote if necessary. BugGhost🪲👻 08:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- WP:ASK is a disambiguation page, making it completely useless as a shortcut. Thryduulf (talk) 09:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for digging out some examples - Looks like WP:1st (disambiguation) was only created to reduce an unwieldy hatnote on a page aimed at new users. Going through WP:PT's history it looks like it faced a couple of takeovers (for Portugal, and Primary Topic) which led to a disambiguation page to compromise. I don't think those rationales apply to this case, as WP:FM's history is unchanged since 2006, and more topics could be added to the hatnote if necessary. BugGhost🪲👻 08:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are many WP-space disambiguation pages. WP:1st (disambiguation) has the parenthetical, while WP:PT does not, but does has the redirect WP:PT (disambiguation) -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per BugGhost. I similarly can't think of any Wikipedia-namespace disambig pages; most to all disambiguation in WP namespace is done via extensive hatnoting. Similarly, WP:UPPERCASE is not a reason to delete or retarget WP-namespace shortcut redirects, but instead something for the editor citing said redirects to keep in mind. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose disambiguation. Most project space shortcuts are ambiguous, and disambiguating them is very rarely a good solution. No expressed opinion on a target (though my sympathies certainly lie with radio, my rationality does not). — Godsy (TALKCONT) 08:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. All the incoming links indicate that when it is used it is used with the expectation of it linking to where it has done for 18 years. Retargetting would break links unnecessarily and change the meaning of old comments, disambiguation would break links without brining any benefits. Thryduulf (talk) 09:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic[edit]
- User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Userbox Yuri fanatic → Template:Userbox Yuri fanatic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Same as Gay Communist Anime Userbox redirect Ahri Boy (talk) 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per my other comment TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 20:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Unless requested by the user themselves, there is rarely a reason to delete a redirect from a user subpage, and only extremely rarely when it is the result of a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime[edit]
- User:Arado Ar 196/Userbox/Global Gay Communist Anime → Template:User Global Gay Communist Anime (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Unused user subpage Ahri Boy (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI for future reference please nominate all related redirects you want to nominate at the same time, as explained in WP:RFDHOWTO; anyway these should be Kept, created from a page move and no reason to delete (and I'm not sure why these userspace templates were moved anyway). TappyTurtle [talk | contribs] 19:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Unless requested by the user themselves, there is rarely a reason to delete a redirect from a user subpage, and only extremely rarely when it is the result of a page move. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
SearXNG[edit]
The original Searx is no longer supported, and SearXNG is different enough to warrant its own article. I've started a draft here: Draft:SearXNG Benpiano800 (talk) 18:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Bird (company)[edit]
- Bird (company) → Bird Global (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Redirect to Bird (disambiguation)#Businesses and organisations. Ambiguous, other companies named Bird 162 etc. (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to make less ambiguous. Benpiano800 (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambig per nom BugGhost🪲👻 10:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
List of Pokémon (0)[edit]
- List of Pokémon (0) → MissingNo. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
pretty funny, but not a list, and could also apply to victini. thought about redirecting to the list of gen 1 pokémon, but that seems even more implausible. thoughts? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Error: MissingRedirect. (This is a delete vote.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as inaccurate at best --Lenticel (talk) 01:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Highly implausible search term. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
redirects to unmanned combat aerial vehicle[edit]
- Military drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Combat drones → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Armed drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Weaponized drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Attack drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Battlefield UAV → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- battlefield unmanned aerial vehicle → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Non-US battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (2) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs (1) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- International Battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
These need retargetting, as these are not specific to UCAV. Military drones can be unarmed, such as the Global Hawk, and most target drones (Q-planes) like the QF-4 (retired fighter converted to target drone). Armed drones are not restricted to UCAVs, such as sea drones operated by Ukraine that have sunk many Russian ships. On the Ukrainian battlefield, armed and unarmed land drones (unmanned ground vehicle -- UGV) also are being used, as are armed and unarmed aerial drones (UAV - unmanned aerial vehicle). Both the US and China have demonstrated drone tanks and robot dogs with machine guns. Police have tracked ground drones armed with shotguns, so not just militaries have armed drones. UXOD and landmine clearing also use military ground drones.
-- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment International Battlefield UAVs (1) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and International Battlefield UAVs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) should probably have a round robin swap, since the edit history is located at (1) and no significant history is located at the base name. That would allow deletion of (1) and International Battlefield UAVs (2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as useless numbered redirects from old swaps -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment if there is no better target, they should retarget to drone (disambiguation) page, that lists various types of drones. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete International Battlefield UAVs and International Battlefield UAVs (2), as they appear to have been created during a botched round robin move. Then move International Battlefield UAVs (1) to International Battlefield UAVs without leaving a redirect, as its revision history is likely worth keeping. At the moment, I'm not sure what to do about the rest, but I agree that their current target is not optimal. - ZLEA T\C 05:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Upon further thought, I believe the best course of action for the others would be to make Military drone a disambiguation page and retarget the rest to it. - ZLEA T\C 17:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
List of articles every Wikipedia should have[edit]
- List of articles every Wikipedia should have → meta:List of articles every Wikipedia should have (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Navelgazing, fails WP:SSRT. Note that this is not a deletion nomination of Wikipedia:List of articles every Wikipedia should have, which is a good soft redirect. But this is not a common search term for our readers. Fram (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete not content for the readership, this is for the editorship -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per IP above: the Meta page is purely project-related, so the redirect in the Wikipedia namespace makes sense but an article-space redirect does not. Tollens (talk) 05:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and IP. I expected this to be an ancient holdover from before namespaces existed, but it actually dates from this month. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per WP:XNR, nom, and Thryduulf. I get that Meta isn't technically a namespace, but the argument against cross-namespace redirects also applies here; as stated by IP, this redirect does not belong in article-space. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above, this is something that makes sense for projectspace, not for articlespace. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 04:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 June 1#Template:Wikimedia Meta-Wiki redirect. If kept, that template will need to be restored. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:57, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
Vacuum circuit breaker[edit]
- Vacuum circuit breaker → Circuit breaker (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Retarget to vacuum interrupter. A redirect to circuit breaker as current is a bit surprising (WP:PLA) as users wont search VCB in order to get to circuit breakers. Couruu (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. It is so obvious that you can go ahead and do it under WP:BEBOLD.
- Constant314 (talk) 13:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Porch monkey[edit]
- Porch monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
- Porch Monkey → List of ethnic slurs#P (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
No longer mentioned at target. The second redirect is fully protected, so I cannot tag it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is mentioned at List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity, although that article does seem like a WP:CFORK to me. 162 etc. (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that List of ethnic slurs and epithets by ethnicity and List of ethnic slurs have a CFORK problem; the only difference scope-wise is sorting order, with the original target being alphabetically sorted by the slurs and the other list being sorted by target ethnicity. This issue should probably be resolved (and the two pages possibly re-merged) before we figure out where this should target. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note I've added the RfD tag to the second redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Kart[edit]
Retarget to Go-kart. "Kart" refers to the vehicle itself. Seems uncontroversial, but it's pointed at the current target for 20 years and there's a fair number of incoming links, so I'm putting up for discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 01:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It appears that Kart was a standalone article merged into Kart racing in 2004. Go-kart was then expanded into a standalone article in 2011. 162 etc. (talk) 02:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Go-kart per nom. Fieari (talk) 05:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Also, closing admin, please be sure to move the hatnote from Kart racing to Go-kart to match. Given the close association between the two subjects (Go-karts being the type of vehicle used in kart racing), there shouldn't be too much in the way of issues regarding off-site incoming links; we only need to worry about onsite links. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment would Shifter kart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) also need retargetting to go-kart ? That is also a term used for the racing vehicle, and not the sport -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Currently "Shifter kart" is not mentioned at Go-kart. I've just added a section move tag on the Kart racing article that would resolve this. Support. 162 etc. (talk) 15:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)