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Will Ashcroft Flooding in Nepal leaves at least 193 people dead, including 37 in the nation's capital, Kathmandu. In Australian rules football, the Brisbane Lions defeat the Sydney Swans to win the AFL Grand Final (Norm Smith Medal winner Will Ashcroft pictured). Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah is killed by an Israeli airstrike in Dahieh, Lebanon. Hurricane Helene leaves more than 100 people dead across the southeastern United States. British actress Maggie Smith dies at the age of 89. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Roy Clay Fredric Jameson Mercury Morris Sayuri Dick Diamonde David Graham view — page history — related changes — edit

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September 30

Portal:Current events/2024 September 30

September 30, 2024 (2024-09-30) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli ground operation in Lebanon September 2024 Lebanon strikes Five children belonging to the Imam al-Mahdi Scouts are killed in an airstrike in Charkiyeh, southern Lebanon. (Anadolu Agency) Israel tells the United States it will launch an imminent ground invasion of Southern Lebanon. The military operation will focus on clearing out Hezbollah infrastructure near Israeli border communities, according to officials. (The Washington Post) Three militants of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are killed during an Israeli airstrike in Kola District, Beirut, Lebanon. Separately, Hamas's commander in Lebanon, Fatah Sharif, is killed alongside his family in Tyre. (Al Jazeera) A Lebanese Army soldier is killed in an Israeli drone strike in Wazzani, Lebanon. (The Times of Israel) Business and economy Coal phase-out, Energy in the United Kingdom The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom shuts down in Ratcliffe-on-Soar, Nottinghamshire, ending the 142-year history of coal-fired electricity in the UK. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents Twelve people are killed, ten are missing, and 29 are rescued after a boat capsizes off the coast of Djerba, Tunisia. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Gavin Creel

Article: Gavin Creel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 18:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Humberto Ortega

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Article: Humberto Ortega (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:

• Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nicaraguan general, brother to President Daniel. Article needs work but we can expect substantial obits to make it easier. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dikembe Mutombo

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Article: Dikembe Mutombo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Support: Article looks in shape. Death of a legend. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station closure

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Article: Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom, Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station, closes after 142 years of country's fossil fuel usage. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Although national level, this looks like a certain milestone with the background of Industrial Revolution that will probably be mentioned in the textbooks on clean energy and history. Brandmeister^talk 13:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: article looks good, and agreed that this closure takes on broader significance as the end of a (long) story of coal use in Britain, with all of the tie-ins with the history of industry implied by that. The fact that this is being reported in non-British news sources adds weight here, I think. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is in a good shape and I think it is notable enough per the nom. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Last bit of the blurb ("closes after 142 years of country's fossil fuel usage") doesn't really make sense. AusLondonder (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  How about "closes, 142 years since the first use of coal power there during the Industrial Revolution?" This isn't, sadly, the end of fossil fuel power in the UK. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's rather misleading as coal has mainly been supplanted by natural gas from beneath the North Sea and that's a more convenient fossil fuel whose use will continue. My house in London used to have a coal shed and open fires. It still has fireplaces and chimneys per Chim Chim Cher-ee but is now mostly heated by a natural gas boiler. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Well, Gawd bless ya, Moiry Pappins! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe I've missed it, but after 2015, when Thoresby Colliery closed, where did the coal come from? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  That was a deep mine. See open-pit coal mining in the United Kingdom. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Do you think the article should mention this? (The UK imported 3.4 million tonnes of coal in 2023, 45% of this coming from the USA). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weak opppse sadly this is the type of article and story that falls between the gap of ITN and DYK. The news is interesting but on the significance of news, very minor (if this meant the UK was fully on nuclear and renewables, that might be different), and the article is not appropriate for DYK due to age and small update size. I'd love to find a solution for these interesting news blips with good quality articles to be featured, and maybe that is ITN but we'd need to tighten down how these are selected as well. Masem (t) 15:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose belongs in a did you know blurb, not ITN. Scuba 15:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - seems rather minor and local. And yes seems like there's a hook here for a DYK - especially as they have about triple the space that ITN gets. Nfitz (talk) 16:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not allocated space by some higher power; its lack of space just reflects its lack of productivity. DYK is about 20 times more productive and so has decided to expand lately to cope with the volume of its entries. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Haha, higher power. See what you did there. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Park Ji-ah

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Article: Park Ji-ah (actress, born 1972) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Korea Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A4F3:9501:BEE:C932 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Valenzuela400 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

South Korean actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:A4F3:9501:BEE:C932 (talk) 08:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Aside from the unsourced filmography, the article is basically a stub. No section talking about her career whatsoever. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Much work needs to be done, as currently the article only hosts basic information about her personal life and, besides two tables, minimal information on her acting career. ArkHyena (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article is a stub with about ~110 words long prose and unsourced filmography. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article consists of a single sentence about her divorce, and an uncited filmography. needs major work to be in good enough shape. Scuba 17:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Typhoon Krathon

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Typhoon Krathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon (pictured) leaves at least 1 people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon (pictured) leaves at least one people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan.
News source(s): [2] [3] [4]
Credits:

• Created and nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Category 4-equivalent typhoon, Very strong typhoon on JMA. TyphoonAmpil ^{[citation needed]} 04:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait or close. This nomination suffers from many of the same issues as the first nomination of Hurricane Helene for ITN. Currently, no significant impacts have been caused by Krathon. Though this may change should its forecasted landfall on Taiwan verify, it is inappropriate to nominate this to ITN before the fact. ArkHyena (talk) 04:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait for more significant impacts, as per the Hurricane Helene nomination. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 29

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 29

September 29, 2024 (2024-09-29) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike United States senator Mark Kelly confirms that it was U.S. produced and provided 2,000-pound bunker buster BLU-109 bombs that were used by Israel to assassinate Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut. (Reuters) A total of 105 people are killed by Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon, including 32 in Ain El Delb and 21 in Baalbek-Hermel. 359 others are injured. (Al Jazeera) Hezbollah confirms that Nabil Qaouk, the group's senior official, and Ali Karaki, a senior commander, were killed in Israeli airstrikes in Dahieh, Lebanon. (AP) (Al Arabiya) Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war Red Sea crisis 29 September 2024 Israeli attacks on Yemen Following the Houthis' launch of a ballistic missile from Yemen towards Ben Gurion Airport prompting air raid sirens in Tel Aviv, the Israeli Air Force launches airstrikes against seaports and power stations operated by the Houthis in Al Hudaydah Governorate, Yemen, killing four people and injuring 29 others. (Al Jazeera) (Al Arabiya) Syrian civil war Twelve pro-Iranian militiamen are killed in airstrikes of unknown origin in Deir ez-Zor Governorate, Syria. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene The death toll from Hurricane Helene rises to at least 116 people, including 46 in North Carolina, 27 in South Carolina, 25 in Georgia, and 13 in Florida. (CBS News) Approximately 17,000 people are ordered to evacuate their homes and more are ordered to shelter in place after a fire, potentially causing hazardous chlorine contamination, occurs at a BioLab facility in Conyers, Georgia, United States. (CNN) Seven people are killed and 85 others are injured after a head-on collision between a bus and a private vehicle in Majayjay, Laguna, Philippines. (Manila Bulletin) Law and crime Thirty-one people are injured in a double arson and vehicle-ramming attack in Essen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. The perpetrator, a 41-year-old Syrian national, is arrested shortly after the attacks. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 Austrian legislative election Austrians vote for the 183 members of the 26th National Council. (Reuters) The far-right Freedom Party of Austria wins the most seats with 58 but falls short of a majority, with other parties expressing an unwillingness to form a coalition government with them. (BBC)

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RD: Ozzie Virgil Sr.

Article: Ozzie Virgil Sr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

First Domincan-born player in Major League Baseball. —Bagumba (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Minus the awfully large quote in the middle of his playing career, this article is virtually a stub and needs more expanding along with some MOS fixes. Kline • talk • contribs 14:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the career section mostly consists of a quote and there is no information about his life after 1988. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • I will add more later today. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Nepal floods

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Article: 2024 Nepal floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding in Nepal leaves at least 193 people dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flooding in Nepal leaves at least 193 people dead, including 37 in the nation's capital, Kathmandu
News source(s): Economic Times, Reuters, NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Flooding caused by the heaviest rainfall in the country's recent history, with a death toll that's likely to rise. ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Notable disaster, high death toll, article is honestly in good shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Very notable disaster with high death tolls. High Admiral JMT (talk) 03:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. High death toll, and the article is in an adequate shape. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There are a few sentences about flooding in July. I’m not sure if those sentences should be in this article. It also seems like the death toll of 170 includes people who died in July. It’d be good if there was more clarity about the death toll in the current floods. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article tells us that this has been happening since July as it's the monsoon season. Flooding is common all over the world and so we need a high bar for such stories. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • I have to tend to agree here. The deaths are spread out over a long period of time, and like 2024 China floods, these deaths unfortunately happen every year around this time with monsoon/typhoon season in SE Asia. It is not like a signular weather event that caused the deaths. — Masem (t) 12:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

    In this case, the ~190 deaths have occurred over 2 days of flooding, not over the course of months. ForsythiaJo (talk) 14:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

    Which I think is not made very clear in the article, as the impression is that this is a cumulative toll. — Masem (t) 14:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  • We regularly post cyclones with much lower casualties during their season, so it strikes me a bit why floods should be less notable than cyclones.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

    We post too many cyclones too. This is routine weather and that's specifically the sort of stuff that we're not suppose to cover per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NEWSEVENT. ITN seems to have a cabal of cyclone chasers who systematically crank these things out but that's a systemic bias. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support The 170 death toll appears to be specifically about the September floods, in fact sources are saying the death toll is now higher. This is not just a regular occurrence as it has been reported that Kathmandu experienced its highest daily rainfall since 1970. Article is in reasonable shape with good sourcing. AusLondonder (talk) 07:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Some sentences give the impression that the death toll from these floods is 170. However, 1 sentence says “Over 170 Nepalese residents in total were reported to have been killed as a result of flooding in 2024 by 29 September, with 126 having been killed by rainfall in late September.” That’s why I wrote that more clarity is needed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• There's a justified "lead too short" tag that would have to go first before posting can be considered. Schwede66 09:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Lead too short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support lede seems to be adequate now and death toll in September is significant enough but I am not sure about the images bemuse it looks like copyrighted work being passed off as own work. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Just my thoughts. I've had a look around and nominated the file for deletion. Schwede66 20:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Not the greatest article we've ever had, but consensus is to post this. I've done some tidy up work to make it slightly more presentable. Schwede66 20:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Austrian legislative election

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Article: 2024 Austrian legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The far-right Freedom Party of Austria wins a plurality of votes in the 2024 Austrian legislative election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Freedom Party of Austria wins a plurality in the 2024 Austrian legislative election.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: National election per ITN/R; preliminary results announced. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until the official results come out. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support regardless of the offical results which will take some time to trickle out, every media outlet is treating this as a FPO victory. If the official count has something different that in itself would be a major news event. For reference: AP, Al Jazeera,Reuters, WaPo. Scuba 22:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Im not sure what the norm for this is but shouldn't a picture of Herbert Kickl be included in the blurb? Scuba 22:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready Referencing is in rough shape. Also, we don't include editorial descriptives such as "far right, far left etc." in blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'd hardly call widely accepted descriptors as "far-right", "far-left", (or "centrist", ...) as editorial! Nfitz (talk) 23:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  They are when they are used in wiki-voice. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  I disagree. What's significant here is the far-right aspect - which I don't think any English-speaking media dispute. Nfitz (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  We report election results. To the best of my memory we have never made comments about anybody's political ideology in our blurbs. When Fidel Castro died we did not refer to him as far left, a communist or a dictator. Nor should we have though he was unquestionably all of those things. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  And Friend Computer reminds everyone not to overlook, a commie, a mutant, a traitor, and a commie mutant traitor! Have a fantastic day-cycle! (I mean, he survived all those assassination attempts, after all...) --Slowking Man (talk) 03:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  What's different here though, is that a huge part of the story is that the party is far-right. No policy precludes us from mentioning it at ITN, and we certainly frequently refer to that party as far-right in Wikivoice - such as at Freedom Party of Austria and 2024 Austrian legislative election. Nfitz (talk) 03:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  • There's a difference between covering it in an article where it can be discussed and whacking it on the front page. I don't recall any time when an ideological descriptor was used for an election win in an ITN blurb. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 04:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem: that's not true I have nominated numerous election blurbs and frequently use the descriptor "conservative", "liberal", "centre-right" etc. and no-one has ever objected to this. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  But were they ever posted like that? Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Scuba. I consider this a victory as well. 64.114 etc 23:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per 64.114 and Scuba. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:3571:D430:3C7B:6CB9 (talk) 23:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Any support reviews can be reasonable, and this is where what I said comes in. 2605:8D80:400:1A30:5C75:6C5F:45EC:6DDB (talk) 00:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - SchroCat (talk) 01:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - the election result doesn't have as much meaning with FPO having almost zero change of forming a government. Wait until there's clearer indication where this will land. Nfitz (talk) 03:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • That doesn't matter. This is a national election that deserves to be included per ITN/R. The only argument you can make is if the article isn't ready to be included, ie: it has too many errors to be included. Scuba 04:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
    • The results of the election are ITNR - not the election. Perhaps 'Wait until we know what results from this election. Presumably there's a process, and/or the PM will make a statement - I'm not seeing it in this article. Nfitz (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Article looks ready, one tag but it's a relatively minor issue so that doesn't bother me. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 04:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now The “Contesting parties” section is orange-tagged. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Dozens of CN tags that need to be addressed properly. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Just putting it here as there are a lot of multiple-way conversations going on above about this matter, but I have never seen a political spectrum description be posted on a politics blurb, unless it is a proper noun like the Centre-right coalition (Italy). I don't doubt that FPO is a far right party and the headlines reflect this, but it has to be consistent. We haven't said the political orientation of Sri Lanka's new president, which is very much part of the news coverage: the BBC say it is a shock result that will give the island its first leader from the left. [5] Were people upholding the status quo when they didn't post he was from the left, or did they just not find it notable? Personally, I find that a lot more notable than this story. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose there is an orange tags and multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

September 28

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 28

September 28, 2024 (2024-09-28) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike Hezbollah announces the death of its leader Hassan Nasrallah in yesterday's Israeli airstrikes in Beirut, Lebanon. (Reuters) Interim Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati announces the country will have a national mourning period of three days for Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, starting on Monday. (Al Jazeera) Iran confirms that Abbas Nilforoushan, an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps deputy commander, was killed in yesterday's airstrikes in Beirut. (Al Arabiya) The Israel Defense Forces begin a blockade of Beirut–Rafic Hariri International Airport in order to prevent the shipment of Iranian weapons to Lebanon. The blockade will not affect the operation of civilian flights at the airport. (The Jerusalem Post) Iran–Israel proxy conflict Red Sea crisis The Houthis launch a ballistic missile from Yemen towards Ben Gurion Airport in Israel, prompting air raid sirens in Tel Aviv and most of Central Israel. (Reuters) Insurgency in Balochistan In Pakistan, seven workers from Punjab Province are killed and another injured during a mass shooting at a rented house in Panjgur District, Balochistan Province. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Ten people are killed and 22 others are injured in a Russian double tap strike on a medical facility in Sumy, Ukraine. (Reuters) Somali Civil War At least six people are killed and ten others are injured when a car bomb explodes outside a restaurant in Mogadishu, Somalia. (Reuters) (VOA Somali) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene The death toll from Hurricane Helene in the United States increases to at least 64 people, including 21 in South Carolina and 18 in Georgia. (AP) 2024 Mari Petroleum Mil Mi-8 crash A Mil Mi-8 helicopter carrying Mari Petroleum employees crashes in North Waziristan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing six people and injuring eight others. (AP) 2024 Nepal floods At least 170 people are killed and 59 others are missing in floods and landslides in Nepal. (The Journal) Nine people are killed, 27 others are rescued, and 48 others are missing when a boat carrying migrants capsizes off the coast of El Hierro in the Canary Islands, Spain. (AP) Health and environment United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres declares a warning at the UN General Assembly for nearly a billion people living in low-lying coastal areas due to the risk of rising sea levels caused by climate change potentially resulting in catastrophic flooding, coastal erosion, and climate migration. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime 2024 Lusikisiki shootings Seventeen people are killed and 1-6 others are injured in two mass shootings at homes in Lusikisiki, Eastern Cape, South Africa. (Reuters) Sports 2024 AFL premiership season The Brisbane Lions defeat the Sydney Swans 120–60 in the Australian Football League Grand Final to win their fourth AFL premiership title. (The Guardian Australia)

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RD: Drake Hogestyn

Article: Drake Hogestyn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Santixd12 (talk · give credit), Livelikemusic (talk · give credit) and Rusted AutoParts (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kris Kristofferson

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Article: Kris Kristofferson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 22:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now RIP :( There's a lot of uncited paragraphs. I'll try to work on some of it in the following days. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  • As will I. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready per above. Referencing is so poor I didn't bother with CN tags as it would have involved carpet bombing the page. I've orange tagged the article for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait: vast swaths of the article are uncited. See orange tag. Scuba 23:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready. Will need some work as there are several cn tags in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Picture We had a really good free picture of Maggie Smith but failed to use it so let's not make that mistake again. "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  You blinked and missed Smith's photo being on the main page. Schwede66 09:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  I was sleeping for most of those five hours. I had supposed that being posted into third place had been the problem but now see that she was overtaken by a routine football game. Thanks for the update. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's different from "failed to use" which you had originally purported. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there are multiple cn tags and the first table in the awards and nomination section is unsourced, but when the article is ready, I would also support posting his Picture. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Czech Senate election

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Article: 2024 Czech Senate election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Opposition party ANO led by Andrej Babiš (pictured) wins the most contested seats during the 2024 Czech Senate election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2024 Czech Senate election, opposition party ANO (leader Andrej Babiš pictured) wins the most contested seats, while the governing Spolu alliance maintains its majority.
News source(s): AP politico
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kroulacek (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: National election per ITN/R, also the results have caused several ministers in the government to resign. Scuba 15:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Is the blurb even correct? While ANO did do better than at any other Senate election and was the single party that gained most seats, it only won 8 seats, while the SPOLU coalition won 15 (according to the article). SPOLU also still has the majority in the Senate, given only one third of the seats were up for election. Also, not sure we should post the elections results for an upper chamber with only quite limited powers. Khuft (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  • I am not aware how Czech senate elections work, just reflecting what the news articles say. Scuba 21:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
    • The AP newssource highlighted has it in its title: "Main Czech opposition party wins most seats in election for a third of Senate". Only a third of the Senate was up for grabs. ANO did well, no doubt, but the blurbs are wrong (in particular AltBlurb II) - ANO is not the largest party in the full Senate. Khuft (talk) 22:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
      • Thanks for clarifying, I'll make a new Alt Blurb. Scuba 22:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, the blurbs are misleading. Per OPs AP source, the ruling coalition is still has majority in the senate, the blurbs implies otherwise. Edit: Comment withdrawn as blurbs have changed significantly since posting. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  • The single largest party is the winner, regardless of coalition talks. Scuba 21:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as the article is far too short. Propose ALT1 as well - sums things up a bit clearer. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think we typically tend to cover upper house elections that are on the off-year from the lower house ones, and to my understanding I don't believe it has resulted in a change of government either. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - the Czech Senate (like most upper houses) is relatively powerless. Also, this for only 1/3 of the seats. It's the lower-house election that is of note in this country. Nfitz (talk) 16:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final

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Article: 2024 AFL Grand Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Australian Football League, the Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final after defeating the Sydney Swans by 60 points for their first premiership win since 2003. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Fishonlegs (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

• Wait No game described and the rest is in a mix of past and future tense. Resolved at 11:42. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready Match summary, Radio broadcasters and some other sections are unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 11:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Severely lacking in citations, including the entire match summary. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - article's been cleaned-up and cited, should be good to post. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• wait lots of orange tags, but the article should eventually be added when it's in better shape. Scuba 20:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC) Support article looks good now orange citations resolved. Scuba 15:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready, CN tag still at top, the article needs more citations. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, seems to be okay for now.Moraljaya67 (talk) 13:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Citation problems have been solved. 64.114 etc 15:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per Moraljaya67 and 64.114 etc. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:613D:F091:F548:35C7 (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support The orange CN tag doesn’t appear to be there anymore. The article is good to go. 2605:8D80:400:1A30:5C75:6C5F:45EC:6DDB (talk) 15:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is good to go. 70.70.59.204 (talk) 19:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good now. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment That's a super-long blurb. Next thing, somebody will want "best player on the ground Will Ashcroft" added to it as well (plus the pictured) and then it's longer still. Can we not have something a tad more concise? Schwede66 01:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - SchroCat (talk) 01:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Propose altblurb: "In the Australian Football League, the Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final, their first premiership since 2003." More concise, thanks to @Schwede66 for bringing that up (I was going to if he hadn't). Aydoh8^[contribs] 02:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike

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Article: Assassination of Hassan Nasrallah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah (pictured) is killed following airstrikes in Beirut. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Secretary-General of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah (pictured) is assassinated in an Israeli airstrike in Dahieh, Lebanon.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Secretary-General of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah (pictured) is murdered together with his underage daughter by an Israeli airstrike in Dahieh, Lebanon.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)

If confirmed, this will be a massive escalation regarding the situation in the Middle East. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

This will take time to clarify what happened, so I would wait. Also, there is a disputed tag on the article. Tone 09:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation by other sources other than IDF. Strong support, it's ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 09:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. It's still unconfirmed whether he was assassinated or not. If other sources apart from Israel says that he was killed, then that is a support. Full Support and Keep . Very late to say it, but now his assassinated is indeed confirmed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for a confirmation from an independent source other than Israel. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support Since Hezbollah has confirmed Nasrallah’s death, I am changing my vote and this should be posted as soon as the bolded and Nasrallah’s articles are up-to-date. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 11:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 10:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Strong support - very notable that my father woke me up cus of it Abo Yemen✉ 12:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

*Wait until confirmed by local or other independent sources. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Twistedaxe, Midori No Sora, PrinceofPunjab, TyphoonAmpil, and Prodrummer619: Hezbollah confirms his death, per the Times. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 11:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the reminder! Changing my stance now. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Seems like the vast majority of sources are describing him as killed. The annihilation of Hezbollah's command and control structure in the last few days should be blurbed in some form imo PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - We should blurb about the elimination of the command leadership as a whole instead of just this one terrorist. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  • The current blurb would fall (besides just news) being under a death blurb where the manner of death was the newsworthy factor. It likely makes sense to focus on this specific death, as long as the article itself speaks to this being the culmination of several attacks. — Masem (t) 11:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    His death isn't unexpected. Israel has been fairly vocal and transparent about 86'ing Hezbollah leaders for the past few months. He is in no way significant enough of a figure to warrant a blurb, regardless. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    This is absolutely an "unexpected" death. "Expected" death is dying from old age or from a long-known medical condition. Anything else is "unexpected", even in a case like this where Israel was vowing to kill him. — Masem (t) 12:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    Manner of deathwise, the words you probably want are "natural" and "unnatural". InedibleHulk (talk) 12:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    He was the head of one of the major political parties in Lebanon, along with heading its most powerful militia. In what world is his assassination not significant enough? nableezy - 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Yikes to the original oppose, even bigger yikes for the rationale and subsequent comments. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - We should specify in the blurb they were Israeli or IDF airstrikes, even when obvious.Kiwiz1338 (talk) 11:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: appears to be confirmed now (per BBC) UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 11:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Alter the blurb to state that it was an IDF strike. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now confirmed by Hezbollah. [8] Personisinsterest (talk) 12:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Assassinated not killed, and by Israeli air strikes not following them, but other than that support. nableezy - 12:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose on quality though. nableezy - 14:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note bolded article has quality issues. Someone unilaterally moved the article while RM was in progress. The background section not only has NPOV violations, but also WP:V violations. I really hope those are resolved before we put this on the main page.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support – suggest blurb something like "...killed in an Israeli airstrike in Beirut" ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 12:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The article is 50% background information which shouldn't be necessary with all the articles on the ongoing topic around. Also several sourcing and POV issues, as well as a possible name change. We have confirmation, but we need a quality article about this. --Masem (t) 12:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  +1 Bitspectator ⛩️ 12:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Change to Support: I think this has been addressed. Bitspectator ⛩️ 14:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Bitspectator, @Masem the article September 2024 Lebanon strikes is looking in better shape. Can we use that as the bolded article instead? The assassination is so far considered a subtopic of it.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think it makes sense to have the bolded text link to anything but the article on his assassination. Bitspectator ⛩️ 13:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Agree with Bitspectator - the death of the Hezbollah leader is the lede here. Note that the quality issues are fixable, but it may take some time (like, one news cycle day) for all the better details to get into place. We are in no rush to post blurbs on even breaking news unless the quality is there. --Masem (t) 13:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support – Already getting confirmation from news statements and the events are as it is. --cyrfaw (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The Israel-Lebanon strikes are covered by Ongoing entries and there are numerous such casualties as the Israelis are specifically targeting the leadership of their foes. And the topics tend to be problematic as they are contentious and so commonly have orange tags for POV issues. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  numerous such casualties He was #1 in Hezbollah, no one else at his level. starship.paint (RUN) 15:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The #1 is the Supreme Leadership Authority and Israel seems to be working through the chain of command. Reuters now reports that he has been "taken to a secure location..." while the UN is told that "There is no place in Iran that the long arm of Israel cannot reach..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Very strong support. Hezbollah and multiple news sources have now confirmed this. 64.114 etc 14:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major political leader and head of a notable militia force. We don't get too many completed assassinations coming through, and this one is significant. (Strongly oppose Alt 2 - what is an "underage daughter" - that's nonsensical: underage for what - buying cigarettes?) - SchroCat (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Hezbollah has confirmed his death. He is the leader of a significant military group participating in an active and significant military conflict. starship.paint (RUN) 15:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The article is, rightly, no longer titled "Assassination of..." The title and blurbs should reflect that accordingly. Zaathras (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted based on strong emerging consensus following confirmation. Sandstein 15:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Pull The article is now orange tagged for POV. That's a showstopper. Either the tag has to be removed PDQ or the article has to be pulled until whatever issues exist are resolved. We do not link orange tagged articles on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support pullComment This is an incredibly contentious subject matter that has seen multiple blurbs pulled in the past few weeks. It shouldn't have been posted in such haste given the turmoil in this topic area. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The tag has been removed already Abo Yemen✉ 16:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's still there as of this comment. Right on top of the background section. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oh didn't see it Abo Yemen✉ 16:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like the tag has been removed for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  It looks like it was drive-by removal; no significant changes were made in that section since it was introduced. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  And now I've added a verifiability tag after repeated additions of unverifiable material. See Talk:2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike#WP:V and NPOV violation in the background again. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Change killed to assassinated. That’s what any number of sources are calling it, and that is usually what the targeted killing of a political or military opponent is called. nableezy - 17:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'm seeing quoted analysts and political sources refer to it as an assassination, but RSes (mostly) appear to be holding off and using "killed" instead. See Al Jazeera, AP, ABC News, Time, DW, Reuters, and so on.

  The only ones I've found that clearly uses "assassination" in their own voice are the NYT and Euronews, while Axios has used both at times. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  At any rate, "assassinated by an airstrike" sounds weird. Like, a troupe of hitmen falling from the sky, knife between teeth? It's a bombing. Sandstein 18:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The proper wording is probably "assassinated following an airstrike." Ornithoptera (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  That would imply that he was first bombed and then killed some time later. Sandstein 19:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Then say assassinated in an Israeli bombing. nableezy - 20:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting support per same criteria as Haniyeh in August. Significantly notable moment in the conflict that overrides the ongoing item. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Also oppose the use of "assassinated" for now - comparatively few RSes appear to be using that in their own voice, and unlike Haniyeh's assassination, Nasrallah was in an active combat zone of sorts. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: If a commander is actively participating in military operations or holds a leadership role within the armed forces, they are considered a legitimate military target. International humanitarian law (IHL), as codified in the Geneva Conventions, allows for attacks on military targets, including enemy commanders, during armed conflicts.While "assassination" is the unlawful killing of a person outside of the context of an active combat operation, often with political motives.Light show (talk) 17:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Legitimate target or not, I'm not sure how that justifies a full-scale oppose vote. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The blurb currently posted on main says "killed". "Assassination", being not a legal term but an informal one, is applied at times by people regarding various killings in the context of war and armed conflict: the killing of Isoroku Yamamoto, the IJN admiral who commanded the attack on Pearl Harbor, by the US military (during a formal state of war between the US and Japan) has been called an "assassination" by some (for instance see a cited source in our article, Zengel, Patricia: "Assassination and the Law of Armed Conflict," 1992, Mercer Law Review: Vol. 43 : No. 2 , Article 3, retrieved September 26, 2021). WP will follow whatever wording a preponderance of WP:RS say; this is not a moot court of international law and not the place for debating legal topics. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

However, the article's first sentence states " the secretary-general of Hezbollah, was assassinated . . ."Light show (talk) 21:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure that's the case. Whichever is not properly reflecting the RS ought to be edited to bring it into alignment. 'Fraid I can't help ya there, because it's one of those articles which is why eg it is under WP:GS. I don't go near 'em, since (even w/stuff like sanctions) they are toxic firepits of people there to engage in combat in their outside-WP disputes on WP (just, for the more careful, politely so they don't wind up at the business end of Arbcom enforcement actions) as another battleground, not to work on neutral encyclopedia articles. Not the sort of thing I like to engage myself in as an uncompensated volunteer hobby. (Understand that this being true for many people is the ultimate cause of "why there are these Issues™ with content in Contentious Topic Areas" in the first place.) Slowking Man (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Hi, don't know how to request this in a formal way but if someone is able to give me ITN recognition for the nomination, that would be appreciated! Ornithoptera (talk) 18:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Ornithoptera done! The Kip ^(contribs) 18:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you The Kip! Apologies, I know this definitely was not the right venue to ask but I wasn't sure where else to do so. If anyone does know what is the best way to do so, please let me know! Ornithoptera (talk) 18:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Please don't embolden the critics of ITN, this is very much "in the news" on a global basis, is clearly highly significant and we have a reasonable and improving article to link to. AusLondonder (talk) 18:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting stating what ought to be obvious: WP simply goes with what "the sources" are saying. "Killed/assassinated" is obviously the correct wording to use: whichever the preponderance of RS are using. (Frankly I would personally prefer a simple bright-line policy of always using "dies/is killed" for all deaths period no exceptions. "X died" is a simple objective neutral statement about facts of observable verifiable testable external physical reality: Is X dead, or not? Do they currently have ongoing cardiopulmonary function, Y/N? Everything else is already delving head-first into the realm of subjectivity and opinions, which are things intrinsically not falsifiable, not ever "true/false" or "correct/not correct". Hence these are things people can and do argue and disagree with others about, endlessly, a pastime they need to take to someplace other than WP appropriate to such matters. "Assassination", at least, has the generally-accepted meaning "an intentional killing done with political motives/intent".) --Slowking Man (talk) 20:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Pull Currently the page is NPOV and V orange tagged. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  • @Kcmastrpc: - you have voted three times in this discussion within 10 hours. At 11:45, 16:26 and 21:27 of 28 Sept. starship.paint (RUN) 23:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    The article is suffering from tag whiplash, fwiw. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Just checked and the problems were non-existent or already fixed in the section, and the lead one is not even clear what it is the problem here, redirecting to discussions at 2024 Lebanon pager explosions instead. Cambalachero (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Cambalachero, there very much is a problem. Did you see: Talk:2024_Hezbollah_headquarters_strike#WP:V_and_NPOV_violation_in_the_background_again and Talk:2024_Hezbollah_headquarters_strike#What_happened_on_October_8?. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep for now This is easily notable enough for a blurb & there aren’t any orange tags at the moment. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• The article is orange-tagged still and its title has been changed to 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike. You see contentious topics are, by definition, not stable, especially when they are breaking news. Posting them is just asking for trouble. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• The solution, besides just "never post Contentious Topics on the main page at all period", which I suspect might not find a consensus in favor of doing, is probably a policy of automatically full-protecting any such article while it is on main, and forking a /Draft subpage where people can work on a newer version. After its time on the main page is through, the draft can be merged back to the article. (Any major Issues identified in the fullprot version can be handled by edit request, something already a part of the protection policy.) There would be no showstopper problems with doing this; Mediawiki makes it fairly simple. WP:There is no deadline, and for topics touched upon by BLP it's more important to "get it right the first time". Priority #1 is to serve readers. --Slowking Man (talk) 14:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep for now This is odd, almost makes me feel someone purposefully trying to add orange tags to remove it from the main page. Either way, this is literally THE in the news story. I havent seen a story so in the news since the start of the russian invasion of the ukraine. keep it up! Kasperquickly (talk) 15:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I've lost count on how many times the tags have been reintroduced at this point. WP:ARBPIA is an incredibly contentious topic area and it's not uncommon for articles in this space to find themselves orange tagged. I would presume admins would know this and be wary of featuring articles on the front page that are so heavily sanctioned. I concur with @Slowking Man that caution should be exercised in this area and full protection be introduced for the duration the article is features on the main page. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Fully agree with full protection of all ARBPIA articles that go on the main page. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 01:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Such articles are commonly dominated by partisans who try to spin them to their side. If you protect such a page then you freeze it with a particular partisan POV. This is a significant quality issue as WP:NPOV is a core policy. Such topics are best left to the high-level overview of the Ongoing entries. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  I have no strong feelings on the idea, but policy already allows for reversion of a fullprot article to an earlier version without "problematic" content, as well as for admins to copy over to the prot version changes which gain consensus on the talk page. The intent is to halt edit warring and force people to discuss, not to "prefer" whichever version "wins" and manages to "make it in" right before the page is protected. Slowking Man (talk) 15:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This is the second time I check the article in order to fix whatever caused the orange tag so that the article can stay in the main page, only to find out that there was nothing to fix. In the talk page they said that the article had to mention that Hezbola says that they would cease the hostilities if Israel stops its operations at Gaza, but the article already says that. Cambalachero (talk) 12:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

September 27

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 27

September 27, 2024 (2024-09-27) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Ministry of Defense claims soldiers captured the village of Marynivka in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Al Arabiya) Kryvyi Rih strikes At least one person is killed and five others are injured in a Russian missile strike on a police department in Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Nuclear risk during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko warns that Belarus will use Russian nuclear weapons if the country is attacked by NATO. (Anadolu Agency) Southern Ukraine campaign Russian loitering munitions hit the city of Izmail in Odesa Oblast, Ukraine, killing three people and wounding fourteen. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Israel carries out several airstrikes using bunker buster bombs on Beirut, Lebanon, killing six people, injuring about a hundred and destroying six buildings. These also targeted Hezbollah's central headquarters to assassinate its leader, Hassan Nasrallah. (L'Orient le Jour) (Al Jazeera) (Ynet News) A second wave of airstrikes hits three buildings in Beirut. (Al Jazeera) Israel launches an airstrike against a Syrian military post in the countryside near Damascus, killing five soldiers and injuring another. (Al Arabiya) Israel–Hamas war An aid worker of a United States-based charity is shot and killed in her car by Palestinian gunmen near Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip. Gazan government officials claim that the gunmen had mistakenly identified the vehicle. (Al Arabiya) Haitian crisis The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights reports that at least 3,661 people, including 100 children, have been killed in the first six months of the year by ongoing gang violence in Haiti. (Al Jazeera) Sudanese civil war At least 18 people are killed when the Rapid Support Forces attack a market in Al-Fashir, Sudan. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene At least 17 people are killed and more than 900,000 people are reported to be without power due to high winds and flooding caused by Hurricane Helene in Georgia, United States. A rare flash flood emergency is also issued for the Atlanta metropolitan area. (CNN) The Walters Dam in Tennessee suffers a catastrophic failure due to ongoing heavy rainfall, with Cocke County Mayor Rob Mathis ordering the immediate evacuation of parts of the nearby city of Newport. (WVLT-TV) The Emergency Management department of Rutherford County, North Carolina, issues a warning for the "imminent" failure of the Lake Lure Dam due to significant rainfall, and orders immediate evacuations. (USA Today) 2024 Pacific hurricane season Hurricane John Tropical Storm John brings over 950 mm (37 inches) of rainfall to southern Guerrero, Mexico, twice eclipsing the amount of rainfall dropped by Hurricane Otis on the same area in 2023. (Reuters) Fifteen people are killed when an illegal gold mine collapses in Solok Regency, West Sumatra, Indonesia. (Reuters) Thirteen people are killed and 23 are injured after an explosion at a fuel station near Makhachkala, Dagestan, Russia. (AP) International relations Iran–United States relations, Iran–Israel relations The Iranian Foreign Ministry accuses Israel of using United States-produced and gifted 5,000 lbs bunker buster munitions to strike Hezbollah targets in residential areas in and around Beirut, Lebanon. (Reuters) Iraq–United States relations, Operation Inherent Resolve Iraq and the United States agree to end the U.S.-led coalition mission in Iraq by September 2025, with all remaining American troops withdrawing by the end of 2026. (Reuters) Law and crime Iran–United States relations The United States Justice Department charges three members of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps for hacking Republican candidate Donald Trump's presidential campaign and "trying to disrupt the 2024 presidential election". (Reuters) Hamburg Police seize two tons of cocaine worth €100 million ($112 million) and arrest twelve suspects in Hamburg, Germany, including several foreigners. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election Shigeru Ishiba defeats Sanae Takaichi in a runoff election to become the next president of the Liberal Democratic Party and prime minister designate. (Kyodo News) Sports 2024 Chicago White Sox's 121st loss, Worst Major League Baseball season win–loss records The 2024 Chicago White Sox earn their 121st loss against the Detroit Tigers, breaking the Major League Baseball record for the most amount of losses in a post-1900 season. (AP)

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RD: Abbas Nilforoushan

Article: Abbas Nilforoushan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-vows-revenge-for-top-irgc-officer-killed-in-beirut-strike-that-took-out-nasrallah/
Credits:

• Created by Razgura (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Elserbio00 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Iranian brigadier general of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. 18:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Fabián Caballero

Article: Fabián Caballero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Mirror
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Argentine-Paraguayan professional footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Several sections are unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait there are some statements that lack citations, career stats section needs sourcing too. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Sorry, it's too stubby for my liking. Please expand the article. In addition, the article has a poor structure, with half the lead's content not present in the body of the article. Schwede66 22:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Too stubby? It has double the prose of the current top blurb article and more than the #2 too. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pappammal

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Article: Pappammal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mandtplatt (talk · give credit) and Suneye1 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian organic farmer. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment She was 109 and still fairly active. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support it is a short article, but I think it is good enough. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support seems to check out! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted: first RD, then blurb) Blurb/RD: Maggie Smith

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Article: Maggie Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British actress Maggie Smith (pictured) dies at age of 89. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Famous actress. Household name and winner of the Triple Crown of Acting. Davey2116 (talk) 13:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Needs some work at the moment with citations, but RD only once it is up to standard. Not transformative, impactful or at the level for a blurb, and - despite all the support votes, being "famous" does not equate to a blurb, nor does appearing in popular films. - SchroCat (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  this has become a joke of an item on the wiki homepage.

  a small group of commentators judging lives, whether they've lived a worthy life for the sacred RD section.

  judgmental jokes.

  obv she deserves to be there.

  you ppl should take a look at yourselves. Skootamassa (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oh dear. Sorry you don't understand how this place works, or what the criteria are for inclusion in different bits of the ITN section. Maybe you could read up on that before commenting next time? And there are no jokes, judgemental or otherwise. - SchroCat (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's not about living a worthy life, it's about having enough reliable sources and media coverage. A blurb usually comes only when the death has a far-reaching impact beyond the event itself, such as Elizabeth II. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose On quality. Would Support a blurb if the article had some sort of legacy section that reflected her impact on the acting industry. One of the few actors to earn the Triple Crown of Acting and her death will undoubtedly be making global headlines, I think that's some reasons why I'd back a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  tbh I think it will come in time. This literally just broke the news not that long ago. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Unfortunately obits are always full of puffery, rather than balanced analysis, which is what skews many articles (and ITN voting). - SchroCat (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - “Famous actress” is of course an understatement. Iconic is more like it. She won every relevant award possible, and is known worldwide for her work in the Harry Potter movies. Add in her acting in Downton Abbey and decades of top-notch acting in major movie roles, and you have an ITN blurb. RIP Maggie! Jusdafax (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Obviously. She's famous for sure, but no more so than Kirk Douglas or Vera Lynn. Blurbs are, and have always been, for people of a Mandela or Thatcher stature, people where a "death and funeral of..." article would be strongly considered. Despite her many great achievements, Smith does not rise to this level. RIP anyway, I've really enjoyed her work over the years.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic actress whose roles and achievements have made her known across the world. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, a few citation needed tags to be resolved. Actress with a lasting legacy and well-written article. Almost ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Begin Photo RD It's time. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I support this. Ktin (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb As the nom mentioned she has won Oscar, Emmy and Tony awards. She has starred in some if the most famous pop culture works of recent time. Here even in rural Punjab, people recognize her. However, there are some minor issues that needs to be resolved first ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Also, to prove the point that she is very well know here in Punjab and India, the two of best selling Punjabi language newspapers, Daily Ajit and Jagbani, published the news about her death in their 28th September editions, here and here. I think the last any Hollywood celebrity's death to be reported on Punjabi newspapers was of Sean Connery, nearly four years ago. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 04:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb — Per Amakuru. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb subject to issues being fixed. Mjroots (talk) 14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb While there is a section to discuss the numerous awards she has won, winning awards does not equate to someone that has had a lasting legacy or impact on their field. We're also going to see the same "popular/famous/iconic/household name" arguments that do not fly in demonstrating someone as a great or major figure in their field. (ETA) I would note that if this legacy section can be expanded to show how she influenced the field of acting (which might be possible), then I would be more ready to accept a blurb, but right now with just awards and fame, that's not sufficient, as far too many actors would qualify for a blurb on that facet alone. Oppose RD on current quality issues with several CNs all over the place.Masem (t) 14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb She was an very famous actress and had some really famous iconic roles throughout her career and has won two Oscars. LiamKorda 14:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support Blurb Iconic, lauded, craft-defining actress. Revered by her profession; adored by the public. She is the kind of figure for whom a blurb is a no-brainer. Already the most-read story at the BBC, the Guardian, The NYT. Blurb now. Dr Fell (talk) 14:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb Iconic actress, top of her field, world renowned, triple crown of acting winner. Blurb is a no-brainer RachelTensions (talk) 14:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Now Supporting RD Article is much improved. Neutral on a blurb. She was certainly an important figure, but we have been routinely declining to blurb other giants in the field. "One can't go to pieces at the death of every foreigner. We'd all be in a constant state of collapse whenever we opened a newspaper." Lady Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Highly regarded at the top of her field, won numerous awards and recognised worldwide. I'd support the blurb and will look to help with the current tags. Though I would suggest the image we use should really be of her in her McGonnagal and after phase of life as that's how many recognise her. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb I'm not sure how she could be considered as influential of an actor as the recently deceased James Earl Jones, who has an EGOT, where Maggie Smith does not. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I wholeheartedly agree she should be an RD only (not transformative), but while not EGOT, she outdid JEJ in awards, given she had two Oscars, five BAFTAs, four Emmys, three Golden Globes and a Tony. She also had six Laurence Olivier Award nominations and had the Triple Crown of Acting. - SchroCat (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Clear example of WP:OTHERSTUFF. Not a valid rationale as I see it. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 20:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Quite the opposite; she doesn't have an EGOT. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Doesn't matter in the slightest per WP:OTHERSTUFF, your failure to understand that policy is frankly rather disappointing. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  There is no requirement for actor to have EGOT to be blurbed, Grammy is after all a musical award.

  Besides, there were arguments against blurbing James Earl Jones on grounds of him being awarded an Honorary Oscar. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Very Strong Support Blurb I believe this worldwide famous actor should be featured. She has been the star of many films including both Downton Abbeys and has captured the hearts of many, such a shame we have lost such an icon of the film industry.

The photo does need to be updated on the Wikipedia page, but I strongly support this blurb. 2H-Writer (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The photo is from the period when she won her first Oscar. That's the period where she became most celebrated. We don't need to bow to populism - she was more than Harry Potter and Downton; her damehood, for example, preceded those roles. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Blurb The article is still being edited, and she doesn't have enough due weight to merit a blurb. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD: as others have said, I struggle to see a blurb argument given the standards we imposed for James Early Jones, but the article is good and the person clearly notable. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic to say the least. Few actresses have managed to stay in high profile, diverse roles for as long as she did. Recognized world over. Cart (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb She dominated stage and screen for decades and will be remembered as a legend of an era.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• RD only, very notable actor but not the same importance/notability as a world leader. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 17:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, she was very famous worldwide and her death is reported by major media around the world right away; Their Majesties the King and Queen, together with former and current Prime Ministers all paid tributes to her. The recognition and importance of this sad news are indeed sufficient. — Boreas. 17:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb per conversations around James Earl Jones and other recent actors. Scuba 18:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The fact that James Earl Jones could and should have been blurbed but wasn't won't have influence the decision to blurb another person. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Bummer, but if the consensus is Jones didn't deserve a blurb, than Smith doesn't deserve one either. Scuba 19:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

IMO as an actress and in achievements, Smith was several rungs above Jones. Cart (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

To prove my point, Swedish radio is just doing a tribute program to Smith, Jones wasn't even mentioned on the news. Cart (talk) 20:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the consensus was that James Earl Jones didn't deserve one - the discussion timed out, but there was a majority in favour. The problem is that every time a non-political figure is nominated for a blurb, there's a hard core of RD regulars who have their own (not necessarily matching) criteria that they repeatedly assert are the death-blurb criteria, and they make every discussion of this kind into a battleground to try and win once and for all. I'm heartily sick of it. We have too few stories reaching ITN as it is, and this just makes these kinds of nominations a bitter business to have to deal with. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb. Won Academy Award two times, was in spotlight for around sixty years. A larger than life personality that was a household name and worldwide known, so the information about her death will be useful to many people. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• RD only - Many notable scientists are mentioned in RD only, so famous actors should fall in the same ballpark. -Abhishikt (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support for RD. Definitely a legendary actor of long experience and achievements - Triple Crown actors are far from common. Article looks thoroughly sourced now. I am not certain if she does or does not merit a blurb, for my part. Challenger l (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb She is an actress at the top of her field, with a career spanning decades (including recent award-winning roles), who has a rare "triple crown" of victories. If she is not nominated, then we may as well just set the precedent that no blurbs for actors or actress who die of natural causes ought be posted because this is as notable as you can get. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, absolutely and finally, we may as well just set the precedent. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I think it would be a bad thing if we decided that politicians' lives deserve special mention and leading cultural figures do not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  This goes for all purely tributary RDs, with lives general audiences remember but deaths featuring age. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Certainly consistent and a view I can see myself being a little sympathetic to. All I want is some objective criteria/on, to avoid recurring angels, pin, etc debates revolving around subjective things like "major and influential". (I would in the event such a thing were adopted suggest making RD a bit more visible/"standing out". Might need to tweak the main page layout a little. Also a "temporarily 'pinning' high-traffic RDs so they don't get pushed off quickly" thing would be a good idea, to better serve readers.) Slowking Man (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  That creates a bias towards popular topics, which we should absolutely not be doing, since that will weigh far more in favor of Western/English ones. Masem (t) 00:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  The die in that regard was cast the moment the English Wikipedia decided to have an "In the news" section on the "front page" (so to speak), since that, naturally, is going to reflect most closely what is currently "in the English-language news". Unless the project and WMF bent over backwards to attract lots of polyglot en-speakers to enwp, and, if anything more importantly, to keep them engaged and willingly contributing to the project. Or, something like retaining a paid bureau of professional translators for WP to call upon to translate content into English. Kind of hard to write things reliably about things covered mostly by sources you can't understand. (For ex. serious historians (meaning people whose job titles are things like "Professor of X History", not people making "pop history" Content™) basically must learn at least some of the languages relevant to their chosen field(s) of study, eg historians of the ancient Mediterranean world will as a matter of course pick up at the least some ancient Latin and Greek.)

  The Old Grey Lady and the Beeb aren't going to focus some of their resources on greater coverage of not-majority English-as-first-lang parts of the world because some people at Wikipedia asked them to very politely, I'm afraid. The only other way, under WP's control, to cut through that Gordian knot (mixing some metaphors tonight) is to deep-six the ITN section altogether. Slowking Man (talk) 01:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  While it is true the news (and topics at ITN) will weigh more heavily on Western media, we absolutely do not need to perpetuate that bias that by the suggestion that we keep a highly-viewed/popular article in the ITN box longer than other items (the "temporarily pinning" idea). That's a facet we absolutely can control to minimize our own biases. Masem (t) 02:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Is it what readers want, Y/N? Asking rhetorically as I certainly don't know myself. That's the thing that matters most. (I would be thrilled with a well-designed survey of a representative sample of main page visitors (logged-in or not) about things of this nature. Sounds like something the WMF could stand to devote some resources to! I believe there have in fact been at least a couple of such things in the past about certain topics?) Slowking Man (talk) 03:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  If we go by what readers want, we'd basically be writing a popular culture TVTropes wiki, and that's how WP was when it was first created but has moved well beyond that. We know that some topics will draw more interest, but our goal being on the main page is to feature a wide range of topics including those people do not know anything about as well as the familiar. We should absolutely not give excessive weight to popular topics, which is why we routinely ignore those !votes that claim we should be driving ITN via pageviews. Masem (t) 03:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Additional comment and with regards to everyone complaining about the inconsistency if she is posted but not James Earl Jones... I completely agree. JEJ should have been posted, and that was a bad decision on the community's part. But two wrongs a right does not make. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, neutral on blurb. Obviously a very important figure. -insert valid name here- (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - greatly awarded and prolific actor, with an exceptionally long career. I'm not sure saying she isn't a famous politician, or what-aboutims mean much. Nfitz (talk) 20:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Ready for RD, based on when I previously commented, the only sourcing issue I see is confirming a notable movie co-starring credit which is trivial to fix. All CNs have been addressed. --Masem (t) 20:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posting as RD; blurb discussion ongoing (give me a few minutes to post it correctly; it's been a minute). Among the half dozen people who bothered to mention article quality (instead of the RD/blurb worthiness feud), there's a consensus the article is ready now. The article seems solid, and a lot of readers will be interested in seeing it now, rather than in 3 days when the RD/blurb issue is done. So I'm posting as an RD, and the discussion about a blurb can continue. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Very strong support blurb. She has been an iconic, top-notch actress (especially in movies) for decades who won dozens of awards (multiple times), and has worked for many famous pop culture works. Blurb now. 64.114 etc 21:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

VS Support per 64.114 etc and others. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:C5D1:A387:2E8:5DFD (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Also a very strong support. The reviews are reasonable. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• For those pushing for a blurb, you would strongly help your case by using the numerous obits that have come out to show how much of an impact or legacy she has in her field. There's a rather large number of these (compared even to JEJ) so there's fair game for a blurb, but let's please have stronger evidence based (via sources) that shows this is what reliable sources also state, rather than making original research claims here. --Masem (t) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

This is a reasonable request. I'd much rather this was both the tone and the direction in these kinds of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb — due to the popularity of Harry Potter films. STSC (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC
• Support blurb Incredibly iconic actress known far and wide for her multitude of roles — not just for Harry Potter and Downtown Abbey. If Smith doesn't get in, then which actor/actress does? Do death blurbs become exclusive for former presidents? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic. Everyone loves Harry Potter Kasperquickly (talk) 02:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'm iconic and (like Star Wars, Downton Abbey and the National Theatre) I haven't even seen it. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I most assuredly do not like Harry Potter. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb - not transformative, not in the upper echelon of famous and important actors. Can easily tell the story of film/television without her. Not especially well-known. I don't think a minor role in one of the most successful franchises of all time should mean very much. 2601:5C2:0:A6F0:5D8A:2DAE:87E0:4CF7 (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Just realized I wasn't logged in - replying for attribution purposes. LocoTacoFever (talk) 03:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

'Not especially well-known' - this claim, in particular, is in the teeth of the evidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb not a serving head of state or government. Manner of death not notable. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Again, 'either a serving head of state or government, or died in a notable manner' is not and never has been the unique criterion for these things, and your repeated thumping on it does not make it so. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

And neither have popularity. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support blurb The consensus for a blurb is clear. Further dithering merely reduces the utility of ITN to users. Dr Fell (talk) 03:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Further dithering might help prevent another all-too-unfresh grinning Alberto Fujimori situation (inshallah); twelve days of mourning is simply 300% too much. Plus, you've already voted. That's coming on 100% too "strong". InedibleHulk (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  If we turned over a few more of these stories, no-one's face would be hanging around for 12 days. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Well, yeah, but we won't. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb Not infulential enough to have a blurb. High Admiral JMT (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Professor McGonagall is one of her most iconic roles that has influenced one generation, and just like Sean Connery, who was on ITN after his death for his legency on his portrayal of the roles like Bond, Smith should be the same. Unnamelessness (talk) 03:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  If, as you claim, the role of a McGonagall as "influenced one generation", then you should be able to find citations for such a claim and add it to the article. - SchroCat (talk) 04:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Well-known "Big-Time Actor etc", Triple Crown, on "all the news pages" at the moment. Good enough for me to thumbs-up a blurb (standard qualifier of article being of suitable quality, all that). Currently most-viewed article on enwp per Wikishark, with #2/3 being bios of people connected to her. Seems like plenty of readers are interested in WP's content relating to this topic currently "in the news", one might say! (I could say much more, but I think I'm saving it for the RfC re: ITN that appears to be a-brewin'.) --Slowking Man (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I may be wrong, but ITNs are not chosen based on pageviews - that particular criteria does not appear anywhere and has been rejected several times when raised (given there's already a link on the MP and given the high volume of traffic, it's an empty argument, as people are getting to the right page anyway). - SchroCat (talk) 06:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I honestly couldn't care less about the minutae of "the criteria". If X best serves the reader public (why we are all here to begin with), then good on it. If X does not, it is a Bad Thing™ and ought to be disregarded and done away with. Slowking Man (talk) 00:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Wikishark seems to undercount the number of views but she's top either way. FYI, here's the official pageviews tool which shows how she compares with other famous deaths this year. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Page views show what has been read, the purpose of ITN is direct people to things we would like them to read. The causal connection runs the wrong way. Please for the love of all that's holy stop citing page views as evidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

The page views show the level of interest and coverage. But not everyone follows the news closely and so ITN helps those who may have missed the announcement. And another goal is to "to emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource". This is best done by posting blurbs frequently rather having a static, stale selection. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Aside from the fact her name is already on the front page, with a handy link, over 2 million people found there was to the article without the need for a blurb. I'm not sure people will have missed the news elsewhere and only be able to see it if it's blurbed here... - SchroCat (talk) 09:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Not meaning this in any hostile kind of way, but I sincerely don't get where in WP:ITNPURPOSE the things we would like them to read stuff follows from. The closest-seeming part to me is point 3: To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them. But that only talks about things we think they may take interest in, upon seeing them presented at ITN. (Which already is kind of a problematic matter of us trying to predict readers' desires and interests, since most aren't freely volunteering that information without even being asked.) Also I will note that bullet point #1 is about helping main page visitors get quickly to things "in the news" they might be searching for (I don't know whether this is intended to reflect any kind of "ranking").

A principle always important to note regarding statistics (such as page views) is they only tell you what they measure, not what they don't. It may be that page view figure represents just about everyone in the world who visits enwp semi-regularly and has interest in reading an article about X. It's also possible a bunch more people exist who would be interested if it were more prominently highlighted. You can't know either way based upon that stat. (Somewhat relatedly: "[A] dissatisfied customer does not complain: he just switches." Oliver Beckwith (1947), an adage often referenced by W. Edwards Deming.) Slowking Man (talk) 02:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb This is a good time to remind ourselves who we've blurbed so far this year: Franz Beckenbauer, Sebastián Piñera, Kelvin Kiptum, Brian Mulroney, Akira Toriyama, Peter Higgs, O. J. Simpson, Saulos Chilima, Willie Mays, Nguyễn Phú Trọng, Alberto Fujimori. Notice that they are all men; every single one of them. But the Thatcher-Mandela standard has 50-50 representation of the sexes and so we have some catching up to do. This candidate is clearly blurb-worthy as over two million readers rushed to read the article on the news of the death. That's more than most and more than James Earl Jones too. She therefore a prime candidate. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  We didn't blurb O. J. Simpson certainly. Are you sure we blurbed all others, particularly Brian Mulroney? BilboBeggins (talk) 08:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  We did blurb Simpson (see Wikipedia:In_the_news/Posted/April_2024#April_16) - SchroCat (talk) 09:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Some of them died in unnatural circumstances, some were acting head of states which automatically makes them blurbed if the quality is enough, some were former heads that puts them into consideration.

  I haven't found note on Saulos Chilima talk page that he was blurb, the article is saud to be start class. Was he really mentioned in blurb or it was just crash that was blurbed? By the way, there was Malawi's forner first lady there too. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  See Chilima, Simpson, Mulroney. That's three strikes so you're out! Andrew🐉(talk) 13:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb - An actress with a career spanning stage and screen, and multiple generations of viewers, who was awarded at the highest levels multiple times. Her death immediately made the leading headline on the BBC News. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

A good source showing illustrious career: "Maggie herself was determined to remind her audience – and to reassure herself – that she had played opposite Olivier, played Hedda Gabler for Ingmar Bergman, made films with John Ford, George Cukor, Joe Mankiewicz"[9] BilboBeggins (talk) 08:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb - I saw a bit of discussion about James Earl Jones earlier in this nomination, asking why he wasn't blurbed but the consensus is leaning towards Maggie Smith getting one. I was one of those people who argued against James Earl Jones being blurbed and I stand by it; JEJ was a popular and highly-esteemed actor but I would argue Smith was a few rungs above him; like JEJ, she was widely known for roles in popular franchises but she was more closely associated with those roles than he was by virtue of them not being voice parts. I am not suggesting voice acting is less important than acting but, from a recognition angle, a lot of people around the world wouldn't recognise James Earl Jones as the actor who voiced Darth Vader and I would suggest many more would be able to identify Maggie Smith as McGonagall and Crawley. Being a recognisable face from something people can stream on Netflix only gets you so far, of course. What is more important is that Smith was one of the very most celebrated and decorated actors of her generation. You only need to look at her lede - two acting Oscars, five BAFTAs, four Emmys, three Golden Globes, a Tony, the BFI fellowship and the Bafta fellowship. She was awarded a CBE in 1970, a higher order than the OBE Judi Dench received that same year, and became a dame way back in 1990. She was consistently high-profile whether working in film, television or the theatre. She qualifies from all directions, in my opinion. When it comes to living actors born in the first half of the 1930s, there aren't many others who I think would qualify - maybe Clint Eastwood, Michael Caine, Judi Dench, Sophia Loren and that's yer lot. Humbledaisy (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Good exposition, thanks. It’s been 24 hours, and in my view consensus is clearly in favor of a blurb. Let’s have an admin step up and do the right thing. Jusdafax (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per all above. Nothing else to add. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb. Outstanding actor, very long career, on stage, silver screen and television, more Triple Crown of Acting awards (Σ(Oscars, Emmies, Tonies)) than anyone else ... ---Sluzzelin talk 15:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Vote Tally By my count, the current tally is 28 votes in support to 16 opposed (just a few votes shy of a 2:1 ratio). I don't think this ratio is likely to significantly change, so a passing admin should probably assess and make a decision. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Consensus is not vote count driven, it is strength of the arguments. Masem (t) 17:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The best argument for giving Smith a blurb, is to just read the article where all of her accomplishments during an unusually long career are heaped for all to see. We are into day two of this, and this is still front page stuff. [10] [11] [12]. I also agree with Andrew's comment that it's about high time we give another woman an RD blurb. The irony of writing this while reading the top banner on this page (Celebrate Women's Voices: Join the #SheSaid Campaign!) is not lost on me. Cart (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Accomplishments are nice, but that doesn't necessarily equate to being the type of major/great figure in their field; anyone with a long career in entertainment likely will have a similar list of awards. I've commented above that obits and other sources since her death have far more beyond simple accomplishments to flesh a much stronger legacy section to make the blurb case far more sensible since we are giving the reader context for why we are featuring her death. Masem (t) 00:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Exactly my thoughts. I'm finding it really disappointing that there are several people in this discussion who are completely ignoring WP:OTHERSTUFF and opposing purely on the fact that someone else wasn't blurbed. This sort of argument should IMO be considered very weak. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 19:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  That's the stupidest thing ever, why even bother to vote if the votes don't count? Scuba 21:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No one said "votes don't count", but consensus is not determined by vote count. This is one of Wikipedia's tenets, and is further clarified at WP:NHC Consensus is not determined by counting heads or counting votes, nor is it determined by the closer's own views about what action or outcome is most appropriate. The closer is there to judge the consensus of the community, after discarding irrelevant arguments. Natg 19 (talk) 21:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb per above. Yes, I'm still salty JEJ wasn't posted, but let's not make that mistake again for someone who very clearly meets the bar. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  There was no reason for a blurb on JEJ. Maggie Smith is significantly better known and more so around the world. Still, I'm neutral on a blurb, I wonder if we're going to blurb Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Merryl Streep, Dustin Hoffman, Clint Eastwood etc.

  I again remind everyone that Alain Delon didn't get an RD. This is clear Anglo Saxon imperialism Varoon2542 (talk) 19:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Smith has a triple handicap when it comes to ITN, wasn't from the US, she's a woman and she's not famous for any sports achievement. Cart (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  James Earl Jones was a male American actor who had a similar amount of notability as Smith & he wasn’t blurbed. Most people who’ve been blurbed in 2024 haven’t been Americans. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Don't forget, never held high natl. elective office/otherwise was a head of state (eg monarch). (As far as I know? Free fanfic idea for the taking there!) Slowking Man (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Delon wasn’t blurbed due to article quality issues. I’d note that Jean-Luc Godard did get a death blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Alain Delon didn't got RD because his article was a mess, filed with unsourced and unnecessary statements. That wasn't due to any "Anglo Saxon imperialism". ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 05:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. A wonderful actress, but she didn't transform the profession. Jheald (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb A high profile actress. ArionStar (talk) 22:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb: I am not against non-politicians getting blurbed, but I just don't feel Maggie Smith has had the same impact in the world of acting/entertainment as other actors who have died recently.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 03:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Could someone come to a decision whether to blurb or not? BangJan1999 04:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  For those who want the article to be posted I would rather suggest adding more to legacy section, using obits. The Guardian, for instance, provided much cover, but there are also Variety articles. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb—A true icon. Kurtis ^(talk) 11:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - If we had as our RD criteria: transformative of our hearts and minds (and therefore a major figure in their field), then Maggie Smith at the very least should have an RD photo posted here. My autistic son (age 29) had tears in his eyes when he told me about her death as he was frantically texting his mom. That’s how we know that someone deserves a blurb. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 12:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb – The "Legacy" subsection of her article is only a list of awards and accolades, no in-depth analysis of how transformative her work allegedly was. Though Smith may have achieved a higher amount of awards than others, collecting awards is something most high-profile actors/actresses achieve. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  It would help if editors !voting support could provide sources that show that she was transformative. See also Masem's comments above. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Comment - I don’t disagree with your assessment. But the protocol for assessment and approval of an RD/Blurb is flawed. Just look at Fredric Jameson’s RD below before it goes off our board. It was only approved a few hours ago. It’s been Ready (in my opinion) for at least 24 hours. But now we’ve run out of time for a meaningful Blurb discussion. I did not realize Fredric Jameson was a leading and transformative figure in his field until I first edited his page 2 days ago. I think it’s fairly obvious that Jameson should’ve been blurbed based on the criteria you and Masem have pointed out. Unfortunately, I don’t really believe Jameson would’ve had a Blurb approved in any case, whether we had a discussion or not. Did anyone else here read his BLP, and realize he was a transformative figure in his field? I doubt it because it was never mentioned. Not to be cynical here. It’s just the reality here in this forum. For an RD to receive serious Blurb consideration, two things must happen: (1) the person nominated must be well-known to the general public (Jameson is not known to the general public and that explains why his RD was all but ignored), and (2) they must be a leading and transformative figure in their own field, and the BLP article must document that with solid/approved sources, citations, and references. That’s why we need to have a compromise and at the very least approve the RD/photo option which, by-the-way, had solid support on our Talk Page this past summer (check the archives for June, July, and August!: 3 months of discussion before it went stale). Jameson should have his photo posted here, at the very least. Just as Maggie Smith should have her photo posted here, too. Nice work you all, I see a picture was posted. Very savvy! - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Very strong support blurb, a very iconic actress, who has worked for franchises such as Harry Potter, etc. Article is also good to go. 70.70.59.204 (talk) 19:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Largely agree with Masem. For those citing her work in Harry Potter, is she the protagonist? or anywhere close to that? IIRC, there are ~10 more important characters. The rest of her career is noteworthy too, but I'm not seeing an impact anywhere. I've said before and I'll say again that actors rarely influence other actors' or directors' styles. With JEJ, there's his influence as a trailblazing black actor, but Smith's legacy section is, as has been previously mentioned, just awards. Sincerely, Dilettante 20:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted (or at least, I'm about to post this). I've had a read of the entire discussion and weighed votes by their strengths of argument. Poorly argued cases for and against a blurb are about equal. Apart from a handful of neutral votes, the remaining votes for a blurb far outweigh the opposers. The strongest oppose argument, referred to a number of times, is that the legacy section is merely a list of awards and accolades, but does not show her impact on the acting profession. Editors seem to argue that such impacts exist, it's just not documented in the article. Be that as it may, there is rough consensus to post a blurb. Schwede66 22:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. Also, aren't we publishing the news in order of posting? BilboBeggins (talk) 08:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Kinda feel her news blurb should be atop Hurricane Helene IMO. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  No, it should be below. The impact of Hurricane Helene is still being felt. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Clive Everton

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Article: Clive Everton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports ,Daily Express, The Guardian, BBC, World Snooker Tour
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Professional snooker and English billiards player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. GA article. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article is currently GA without any CN's or valid orange tags at the moment. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Seems OK. A sad one for me. I must have used his work many hundreds of times to add info to Wikipedia. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support GA article and it has been updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Article seems ready! High Admiral JMT (talk) 13:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(On hold until October 1) Shigeru Ishiba / 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election

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Articles: Shigeru Ishiba (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) wins the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party leadership election and will succeed Fumio Kishida as Prime Minister of Japan. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), Faustino Sojo (talk · give credit), ValenciaThunderbolt (talk · give credit) and ギルディアス156世 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

While this is a party election and Ishiba has not yet taken office, it is the politically significant election and is in the news now. Sandstein 09:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Just a comment that he is expected to take office in four days, so it could be an option to just wait until he is officially Prime Minister. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 10:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking about. Don't we normally blurb things like this once they take office? Plus Ishiba's Personal life section is unsourced so we could take the time until he assumes office to polish up his article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support once he takes office. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Once Ishiba's article is properly sourced and he becomes PM of Japan on 1 October, we should post this. That's a few days from now on so it'll still be in the news. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially becomes Prime Minister. Tofusaurus (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per Usual InedibleHulk (talk) 11:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Hold until he formally becomes PM This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 11:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Support: Very notable news. I should say wait for him to inaugurate. High Admiral JMT (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. Supporting once he officially becomes the Prime Minister. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially takes the post. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait He has not became Prime Minister yet. LiamKorda 14:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially takes over as Prime Minister. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 17:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until he is officially PM. Scuba 19:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support as soon as he takes office as Prime Minister. 64.114 etc 21:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until he becomes PM, then very strong support. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait. Shigeru Ishiba has not become Prime Minister yet. When he is inaugurated come October 1st, I will also support very strongly. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:4D24:45D6:9490:51F3 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Sayuri

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Article: Sayuri (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cwek (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Japanese Singer-Songwriter, known for singing the ED themes for several animes notably My Hero Academia and Lycoris Recoil. Death occured on September 20 but news was only released publicly today. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Shocking news but unfortunately, there are too many unsourced sections at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Support Wait until more things get sourced. Shocking news though. High Admiral JMT (talk) 07:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready various unsourced statements and might be need to be reedited into paragraphs as most of the article currently consists of one lines. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Almost ready. I've cleaned up the article with more sourcing and better statement organization per the above's input. Now all that's left is to expand the lede and possibly see if more can be translated from the jawiki article. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now I've addressed both issues and the page should be ready. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Question/Suggestion Is that hikigatari album a studio album? If so, maybe include it with them. This is not an impediment to posting. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I've renamed the header to "remix album" since it consists of acoustic versions of previously released songs. Also added additional prose to clarify the matter. Harushiga (talk) 04:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Clarity is cool and additional prose can be; Support. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article seems much better. High Admiral JMT (talk) 03:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  You already !voted. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article has been significantly improved; I don't see any major issues that would prevent RD anymore. Link20XX (talk) 05:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

September 26

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September 26, 2024 (2024-09-26) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Lebanese displacement during the Israel–Hezbollah conflict Over 22,000 Lebanese residents have crossed into Syria in order to escape ongoing Israeli bombardment and a potential escalation of the conflict. (Barron's) Two people, including Mohammad Hussein Srour, a senior commander in Hezbollah, are killed and 15 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike in Beirut, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) At least 92 people are killed and 153 others are injured in airstrikes across Lebanon, bringing the total death toll from the airstrikes to more than 700 people. (Al Jazeera) Israel rejects proposals from the United States, Australia, and the European Union to initiate a temporary 21-day ceasefire with Hezbollah. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Defense Ministry claims that Russian forces have taken the city of Ukrainsk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (The Moscow Times) United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Prior to a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, U.S. President Joe Biden announces a military aid package of more than $8 billion for Ukraine and directs The Pentagon to allocate all remaining security funds to Ukraine by the end of his presidential term in January 2025. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The United States grants Israel a $8.7 billion military aid package, with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin stating that the U.S. will not change its commitment to providing military aid to Israel. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Eight Pakistani Taliban militants are killed in a shootout with soldiers in North Waziristan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene Hurricane Helene makes landfall in Florida, United States, as a Category 4 hurricane, with sustained winds of 140 mph (230 km/h) and a minimum central pressure of 938 millibars. (National Hurricane Center) Tropical storm conditions occur across western Florida, with an automated weather station recording sustained winds of 54 mph (87 km/h) with gusts up to 68 mph (109 km/h) near Tampa Bay. (National Hurricane Center) 2024 India floods 2024 Jivitputrika tragedy At least 46 people, including 37 children, who were taking part in Jivitputrika festivities in Bihar, India, drown in rivers and bodies of water swollen by ongoing flooding across India. (Reuters) Up to 275 mm (10.8 in) of rain falls across Mumbai, India, causing at least four deaths. (Al Arabiya) A bus crashes into a river in Wolaita, Ethiopia, killing 28 people and wounding 19 more. (Barron's) A United States defence official claims that a Chinese nuclear attack submarine, the first of the new Zhou-class, likely sank during construction earlier this year. (ABC News) International relations Algeria–Morocco relations Algeria imposes visa requirements on Moroccans, accusing them of criminal activity in Algeria, including "espionage" and "drug and human trafficking". (Al Arabiya) Law and crime 2024 Lebanon pager explosions Norwegian police issue an international search request for a Norwegian-Indian man linked to the sale of pagers to Hezbollah that exploded last week. (Times of Israel) Capital punishment in the United States The U.S. state of Alabama executes a man via inert gas asphyxiation using nitrogen in the country's second ever execution by this method. (AP) A Mallorcan football fan is sentenced to one year in prison for yelling racist insults at football players Vinícius Júnior and Samuel Chukwueze. (Al Jazeera) Iwao Hakamada, the world's longest-serving death row inmate, is acquitted in Japan following a retrial. (BBC News)

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RD: John Ashton

Article: John Ashton (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

GreatCaesarsGhost 17:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joe Wolf

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Article: Joe Wolf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBA.com, AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:189A:8A9A:87CE:E53E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Rikster2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American basketball player and coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:189A:8A9A:87CE:E53E (talk) 12:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there is no information about this life prior to his professional career and that section is almost entirely unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Keki N. Daruwalla

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Article: Keki N. Daruwalla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The HinduThe Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian poet.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Due to the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait needs some work, which is currently carried out. Will check out later to see if it is ready. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Hurricane Helene makes landfall

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Article: Hurricane Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene (pictured) makes landfall near Perry, Florida, United States, as a category 4 hurricane. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene leaves at least 6 people dead across the Southeastern United States.
News source(s): National Hurricane Center
Credits:

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)

Now that the hurricane has made landfall before midnight on the 26, it can be here. Three deaths have been confirmed, as well, but I can't find a good-quality source with all three in one, and the death toll will likely become apparent and easier to cite once this gets posted, which it most likely will be. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 03:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• I have added an altblurb that more aligns with tropical cyclone related blurbs. I do believe "Southeastern United States" is worth having in the blurb because a good chunk of this region has felt the impacts of this system. Still would like to wait a tad for more precise impacts to come in, but I do imagine we'll run this eventually. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait and Support I should say wait until the death toll has been confirmed and the hurricane dissipated, but, support. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment view closed Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Closed)_Tropical_Storm_Helene_(2024). same nom. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 04:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, but likely support for altblurb. Very impactful storm that, unfortunately, is already becoming a deadly one. However, we should wait a bit further until impacts become more known, especially given the forecasted rainfall threat inland at time of writing. ArkHyena (talk) 06:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but Support. Much better than the previous nomination (as it was too early). However, I'd wait until the full impact of the hurricane becomes clear. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support I think the article is in a good shape and I think it can be posted now since it has made landfall. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable storm by sheer size alone. Impact is already apparent, and will only continue to progress over the next 12-24h. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment Updates: Flash Flood emergency issued in Atlanta and insured damage range has now been set between 4 and 6 billion dollars (2024 USD). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Growing death toll and damage assessments make a blurb advisable. Jusdafax (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support and be ready to update: I think it's already notable enough and will only become more so. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in good shape and the hurricane is now relevant ITN due to making landfall. Scuba 17:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment Updates: The Lake Lure reservoir in North Carolina is threatened with immediate failure, and per the aggregated total of fatalities on the Helene page, the death toll is now around 30 and likely to continue to rise. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Scu ba and Kcmastrpc. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 20:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

September 25

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 25

September 25, 2024 (2024-09-25) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Hezbollah launches a ballistic missile targeting the Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv, Israel, which is intercepted, while Israel conducts an additional 260 airstrikes across Lebanon, killing at least 72 people. (ABC News) (Al Jazeera) The United States, the European Union, and several other countries call for an immediate 21-day ceasefire along the Blue Line on the Israel–Lebanon border, which has been rejected by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. (Reuters) Sectarian violence in Pakistan, Shia–Sunni relations At least 25 people are killed and dozens are injured in clashes between Shia and Sunni Muslim tribes in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, since September 20. (AP) Business and economy Pakistani economic crisis The International Monetary Fund approves a $7 billion loan for Pakistan to help its economy, with $1 billion being disbursed immediately and the rest in instalments over 37 months. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Argentina wildfires Intense and widespread wildfires in Córdoba Province, Argentina, destroy 40,000 hectares (400 km2) of forests and farmland, including several farm structures, and also kill large numbers of cattle. (Reuters) A blimp promoting Brazil soccer team São Paulo FC crashes into houses in the Brazilian municipality of Osasco, injuring the pilot. (Fox News) International relations Brazil–Ukraine relations, China–Ukraine relations Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accuses Brazil and China of using their proposed peace plan for ending the Russo-Ukrainian War to increase their geopolitical power "at Ukraine's expense" by urging developing nations to agree to the peace plan. (Reuters) Georgia–United States relations The United States withdraws Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze's invitation to attend a summit of national leaders hosted by U.S. President Joe Biden during the ongoing United Nations General Assembly session, and refuses any further delegator meetings with Georgia, due to the "anti-democratic actions, disinformation, and negative rhetoric towards the U.S. and the West" resulting from Georgia's recently-passed foreign agents law. (Reuters) Law and crime Crime in France, Immigration to France The center-right Macron-appointed Barnier government expresses a willingness to work with the far-right National Rally's proposals to strengthen French immigration and crime laws following the murder of a 19-year-old woman in Paris last week. The suspect, who was arrested in Geneva, Switzerland, is a Moroccan convicted rapist who was released from prison this month and was meant to be deported. (Reuters) Criminal investigations into the Eric Adams administration New York Mayor Eric Adams is indicted on federal charges following a corruption investigation, becoming the first mayor of New York City, United States, to face criminal charges while in office. (The New York Times) Four people are killed and two others are critically injured in a shooting spree in Nuoro, Sardinia, Italy. The perpetrator later commits suicide. (ANSA) A man hijacks a Los Angeles Metro Bus in South Los Angeles, California, United States, later killing one of the two passengers. The bus is driven at gunpoint for more than 7 miles (11 km) before the man surrenders to police. (AP) Six people are injured when a bomb explodes in a courthouse in Santa Maria, California, United States. A suspect is later arrested. (CNN) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election, United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson demands that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismiss Ukrainian ambassador to the United States Oksana Markarova after Zelenskyy visited an ammunition factory in Pennsylvania with several Democratic politicians, which Johnson claims represented foreign electoral intervention. (Reuters) Cross-strait relations The Japanese Navy sends a warship into the Taiwan Strait for the first time to reportedly "convey a message" to China, according to Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun. (DW) German Green Party leaders Omid Nouripour and Ricarda Lang state that they will step down following significant defeats in recent elections including the 2024 Brandenburg state election. (The Guardian) Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau survives a no-confidence vote by a vote of 211–119. (BBC News)

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RD: William Lucy (labor leader)

Article: William Lucy (labor leader) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://aflcio.org/press/releases/labor-movement-celebrates-extraordinary-life-and-career-bill-lucy
Credits:

• Updated by RedAuburn (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American trade union leader. 18:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a good copyedit to remove close paraphrasing; Earwig is showing 48% for good reason. Schwede66 21:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dick Caine

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Article: Dick Caine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://swimswam.com/australian-hall-of-fame-swim-coach-dick-caine-charged-in-sexual-abuse-allegations/
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian Olympic swimming coach and convicted sex offender. 18:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose More than half of the content is about his child sex offences and that violates WP:BLPBALANCE in my books. His bio would have to be expanded quite a bit to address that. As it stands, it's almost an attack page. If there's nothing else to say about him, then it's simply not main page worthy. Schwede66 21:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Tropical Storm Helene (2024)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting on Caribbean Sea. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting in Caribbean Sea.
News source(s): [13] [14] [15]
Credits:

• Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 2024 Atlantic storm. Lowest pressure is 979. Category 3 Hurricane on September 27 †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 13:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Can we wait until there's actual estimates of damage/casualties? Why this frantic hurry to be the first to nominate something? Way too premature. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose and close WP:CRYSTALBALL. Renominate once this actually impacts land, once deaths / injuries or damage becomes clear. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. Right now is absolutely not an appropriate time to post this, as Helene's impacts have (so far) been relatively limited and minimal. This may or may not change upon its eventual landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast, but this is no guarantee of an exceptionally impactful storm yet. ArkHyena (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait as with every single storm that is proposed to ITN, the proposer consistently adds it before it's notable. I feel like we should establish some sort of criteria for when to post these, such as when they make landfall, or when they cause significant casualties, but that's beyond the scope of this proposal. Scuba 16:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy close. Way too early to nominate such an article before any real impacts have occurred. I'd support closing this nom and waiting to renominate when impacts actually occur. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy close Way too early to nominate this, and waste of editors time. Check back in a few days. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Both "hitting on" and "hitting in" are awkward to use in this context. Hitting on (at least in the U.S.) is a synonym of flirting. Hitting in, on the other hand, I have never heard of the term "hitting in" before, the closest term "hit in" means to target or set a bounty. TansoShoshen (talk) 17:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hitting on is more related to sexual harassment I'd think these days. Nfitz (talk) 19:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and re-educate nominator that we don't need to post every time it rains (and speaking of which, isn't the unexpected collapse of the Saharan high which has very much diminished the current North Atlantic storm season more notable, though much less in the news). Nfitz (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Reminder WP:BITE; some of these comments are unnecessarily harsh, there's no need to do anything other than clearly state your case, without lambasting the nominator: WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

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September 24

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 24

September 24, 2024 (2024-09-24) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes The death toll from the ongoing Israeli airstrikes across Lebanon increases to 558 people, including 50 children, with 1,835 others injured. (Al Jazeera) The Israeli government declares a nationwide state of emergency until September 30. (Anadolu Agency) Ibrahim Qubaisi, Hezbollah's missiles and rocket force commander, is killed after an airstrike in Beirut, Lebanon. Five other people are also killed in the attack. (The Guardian) The United Kingdom deploys 700 troops to Cyprus ahead of a planned evacuation of thousands of British nationals from Lebanon. The UK has advised all of its citizens to leave Lebanon immediately if they can. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes At least three people are killed and 22 others are injured in a Russian guided bomb attack on an apartment building in Kharkiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Mexican Drug War The death toll from the ongoing shootouts between rival factions of the Sinaloa Cartel increases to at least 77 people, with the finding of two corpses on a highway today. (Infobae) Disasters and accidents 2024 South American wildfires 2024 Brazil wildfires Over thirty environmental organizations condemn Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva's actions that contradict his calls for further global action against climate change, such as requests for drilling oil reserves near the Amazon River and paving the BR-319 roadway through the Amazon that they state contribute to ongoing wildfires. (AP) 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Helene forms in the Gulf of Mexico and is expected to become a major hurricane before making landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast on September 26. (National Hurricane Center) 2024 Pacific hurricane season Three people are killed in flooding caused by remnants of Hurricane John in Mexico. (Reuters) The USNS Big Horn of the United States Navy runs aground and is damaged off the coast of Oman while operating in the Middle East after replenishing the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group. (AP) Law and crime Attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Florida Ryan Wesley Routh is formally charged for attempting to assassinate former U.S. President and Republican Party nominee Donald Trump at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, United States. (NBC News) Human rights in Belarus Belarusian independent news outlet Reform.news reports that Jörg Dornau, an Alternative for Germany member of the Saxony parliament, has allegedly used political prisoners as labor on a Belarusian onion plantation owned by his agricultural firm. (Politico) Murder of Felicia Gayle Marcellus Williams is executed by the state of Missouri shortly after the U.S. Supreme Court denies a request to delay the execution. (CBS News) Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand Thailand passes the marriage equality law allowing same-sex couples to be legally wed starting in January 2025. (AP) Politics and elections Argentine President Javier Milei proposes an "agenda of freedom" with economic, social, and foreign policies that directly contradict the United Nations' "Pact for the Future", which he calls a model to "repress, restrict and curtail" humanity's freedom and ineffective at preventing conflicts. (Reuters) Newly-elected Sri Lankan President Anura Kumara Dissanayake dissolves the Parliament and calls for snap elections on November 14. (Reuters) (AP) Science and technology Scientists from the University of Waterloo announce that they have positively identified bones found on King William Island in Nunavut, Canada, as those of James Fitzjames, captain of HMS Erebus during Franklin's lost expedition. (CBC News) A Monash University-led study on the Ordovician meteor event provides evidence that rings may have existed around Earth approximately 446 million years ago. (Forbes) Sports The Lebanese Football Association suspends all football matches indefinitely amid Israeli airstrikes on the country. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Michael Sladek

Article: Michael Sladek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): taz
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Pioneer of green power together with his wife. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Solid article. Long enough and every statement sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 15:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Captain James Fitzjames' remains

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Article: James Fitzjames (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The remains of HMS Erebus captain James Fitzjames (pictured) are identified after 177 years. (Post)
News source(s): CBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by InedibleHulk (talk · give credit)
• Created by Wbatters (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Joshmaul (talk · give credit)

Article updated

• Wait (as Nominator) I realize these three main articles, when taken together, "kinda suck" from a "quality" standpoint. But I recently saw a bunch of us who didn't know Sycho Sid from Sid Vicious one day whip up a plate of wholly presentable Sid Justice six days later, before it went stale. I also realise such a legendary feat may not reasonably come around twice in one lifetime, but still, wait. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  What does this mean? If you are voting wait, you might as well withdraw the nomination. Natg 19 (talk) 05:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  If I wanted to withdraw it, I just wouldn't have mentioned it. I'm advising not voting on quality grounds till the lot does or doesn't improve (otherwise it gets five opposes in two-thirds of a day and snowclosed, discouraging potential helpers). The story's nominated now because it happened on this date, not because any related article is ready yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Question Do you have to include Franklin's lost expedition, which has 24 {cn} tags? The James Fitzjames article has only two. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC) p.s. and why isn't Fitzjames' article the one to be bolded? Thanks.

  No need whatsoever and you're welcome, it was just there. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Now the bio's bold in an altblurb; remember to replace the updater and creator if taking this "easy" way forward. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  "cool". We have to be careful to use HMS Erebus (1826). But the good news is, that article has no {cn} tags? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Clarified (and yeah, no tags now). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Well that strategy failed to work. You have a ton of opposes right now. Natg 19 (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  It was a bit of advice, intended for consideration; that some leave it rather than take it is always expected (and fine). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:55, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The articles are not there quality wise. 139.164.154.34 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The Franklin's lost expedition article by itself has 23 CN tags. The article has a lot of room for improvement, quality-wise. Support when quality issues are resolved. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The target article has had a {one source} tag for over 5 years (Battersby, 2010). Not sure if this affects eligibility for posting. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment In addition to the quality issue, to me, this is where we probably should have blurbed when they found the Eberus in 2014, which I can't find any record of any nomination for that. The identification of remains from one of the captains seems very minor relative to that. --Masem (t) 11:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  There was a blurb when the Terror was found in September 2016. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose – If this serves as a good conclusion to the story of the Erebus excavation, then this is a pretty great target for a blurb. I really don't appreciate nominating with the knowledge that the article still needs a lot of work, though. This shouldn't be the place for that. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:03, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  That's already pretty normal here, I find, and why many stories are eventually marked "Ready" or "Needs Attention". Anyway, it led to an altblurb that solved most of that problem. And yes, it serves as a good conclusion to that ship's story, because he was her captain. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Probably not a conclusion, if some canny businessman decides to set up a commercial submersible tourist company. So let's not rush... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose 22 CN tags. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 12:28, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  Not for the target of the alt blurb (although no-one's added to the two existing ones yet). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's the main blurb now; too many people were getting confused. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

  I think that's sensible. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC) p.s. just his jawbone, it seems, but with cut marks indicating that those who survived him had taken to cannibalism.

• Oppose on quality but support in principle This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose but man I wish this article was good enough. This is a major event and should be in ITN, but the article just isn't ready. Scuba 15:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. A very fascinating discovery. Would love to see this on the ITN but unfortunately, the article has too many CN tags. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 22:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Neat factoid, but sounds like something that’d be a better fit for a “did you know?” blurb more so than an in the news highlight. RPH (talk) 00:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - a unique and notable event as an end of sorts to the long saga of the Lost Expedition (I remember reading a book as a kid doubting that either ship would ever be found), but the target articles are in poor shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:36, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  HMS Erebus (1826) is in pretty good shape? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I live in little old New Zealand and if I may offer an observation, it is this: whatever gets posted at ITN makes our 6pm news. This one is the exception. I therefore wonder whether this is really in the news internationally, or whether it's popular here because it happened in North America. Maybe others from outside of North America would want to comment, too. Schwede66 22:13, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  I believe the prolific Mr. Evans, without whom this'd be doomed already, is fairly Welsh (and the fascinated Midori No Sora plainly Japanese). I don't believe the Chess Olympiad made the New Zealand evening news. I'd like to believe the others are waiting. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  You are right about the Chess Olympiad. Schwede66 04:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  HMS Erebus was built in Pembroke Dock, I'll have you know, boyo. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Then there's the not-at-all misleadingly named Jalapeño, who's taught me a valuable lesson about overlooking Croatians in the Netherlands. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  And, for what it's worth, I'm a Canadian man but Commonwealth Wikipedian. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  ITN items should not be exclusively those that get front page/major news program attentions, that creates a bias. We do give more weight to those with broader covers, but we do not penalize a story that has some but limited news coverage nor not making the front page news. This allows us to highlight stories along the lines of science, medicine, history (like this), and so forth, topics that rarely ever get leading headline coverage. Masem (t) 04:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Stephen:, I’ve BOLDly re-opened this nom - from my reading of it, the vast majority of oppose votes are on quality grounds rather than notability, and as such I don’t think it’s entirely fair to close quite yet, given those issues can (and hopefully will) be addressed. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, at least for now. I'm hardly wowed by the expansion of Fitzjames's article from how much we tend to want from an ITN perspective. It's neither long nor properly explains how substantial of a discovery his remains are. Improvement on these fronts MAY sway me. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: For me, this news does not seem very important, at least not for the ITN. High Admiral JMT (talk) 07:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Would have loved to see this one posted but sadly the quality of the article is not good enough due to lack of sources, but it is improving. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's certainly lacking sources. But I'm not sure that's the same thing. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Peter Jay (diplomat)

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Article: Peter Jay (diplomat) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a bit of work to get it into shape, but should be manageable. - SchroCat (talk) 05:01, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Mainly because of the orange tag. Changing to Support. Issue has been resolved. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support No tags. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks good. Scuba 15:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support looks alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:57, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Expanded the lead a bit. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

September 23

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 23

September 23, 2024 (2024-09-23) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Over 492 people are killed and 1,645 others are injured when the Israeli Air Force conducts over 1,400 airstrikes in Lebanon targeting Hezbollah, the deadliest day of conflict since the 2006 Lebanon War. (New York Times) (Al Jazeera) (AP) Hezbollah launches dozens of rockets and drones at Israel in retaliation for the airstrikes. (CBS News) The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon advises all posted civilian employees to evacuate southern Lebanon. (The Jerusalem Post) The Israeli military advises Lebanese civilians in southern Lebanon to evacuate north. (AP) The United States deploys additional military forces to the Middle East following significantly escalating conflict between Israel and Hezbollah and a potential wider regional conflict, adding to the 40,000 U.S. troops already present in the region. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine August 2024 Kursk Oblast incursion The Russian Foreign Ministry reports that at least 56 Russian civilians were killed and 266 others were injured by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Kursk Oblast, Russia, which the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry denies as Russian propaganda. (Reuters) Business and economy Swedish lithium-ion technology developer Northvolt announces revised company operational scopes and its intention to layoff 1,600 workers in the country. (CBC) Disasters and accidents 2024 Pacific hurricane season Hurricane John makes landfall near Marquelia, Guerrero, Mexico, as a Category 3 hurricane. (AP) (NHC) Mediterranean Sea migrant smuggling At least four people are found dead after a small boat carrying migrants sinks off the coast of Samos, Greece. (AP) At least 30 decomposing bodies are found in a boat off the coast of Dakar, Senegal. (Reuters) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic The World Health Organization announces that nearly 30,000 suspected mpox cases have been reported in Africa so far this year, primarily in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, as the death toll from mpox surpasses 800 people. (Reuters) Deforestation of the Amazon rainforest Climate researchers report that since 1985, deforestation in the Amazon has caused the loss of an area of rainforest equal to the combined area of France and Germany. (France 24) International relations Argentina–Venezuela relations A court in Argentina orders the arrest of Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro and interior minister Diosdado Cabello, accusing them of crimes against humanity. (Infobae) The Supreme Court of Venezuela orders the arrest of Argentinian President Javier Milei after Argentina detains a Venezuelan aircraft. (AP) Japan–Russia relations Japanese fighter jets fire warning flares at a Russian aircraft that violated Japanese airspace off Rebun Island. (Reuters) Law and crime 2021 Boulder shooting Ahmad Alissa, the gunman responsible for killing ten people at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado, United States, in 2021, is convicted of ten counts of first-degree murder and sentenced to ten consecutive life sentences. (AP) 2024 social unrest in Martinique The Government of France sends the Companies for Republican Security riot police unit to Martinique, following resistance from cost of living and social inequality protesters against French-issued bans on demonstrations. (AP) German police announce that they found 95 kg (209 lb) of cocaine worth €7 million ($7.8 million) hidden inside banana crates in supermarkets across North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. (DW) Sports 2024 AFL season 2024 Brownlow Medal In Australian football, Patrick Cripps wins his second Brownlow Medal with 45 votes, the most votes since the current voting system was introduced, and also becomes the seventeenth player to win the award more than once. (ABC News Australia)

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RD: Dick Moss

Article: Dick Moss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ungathering (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Death announced 23 September. Thriley (talk) 18:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Meets the minimum requirements. If an infobox could be added to the article, that would be great. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Articles don't typically have an "Introduction". They have leads. (Kudos.) If those are combined and the "Personal life and death" section doesn't start with him already dead, then yeah, maybe all it needs is an infobox (and perhaps less promotional tone). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• The final sentence seems particularly unbelievable, given how he didn't have a Wikipedia article till yesterday and it still doesn't contain any prehumous references. Those three obituaries could probably be covered by one. I'd keep two, if I were editing, since it'd otherwise be open to an orange tag about relying on a single source. While I'm nitpicking, I don't think Ungathering deserves credit as an updater. Fine fleshing out, no doubt, but Thriley broke the news here. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• The article violates WP:LPNAME. Schwede66 21:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The article looks ready now. Thriley (talk) 17:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Norbert Lohfink

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Article: Norbert Lohfink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jesuiten, Evangelische Zeitung
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

German Catholic priest, theologian and member of the Jesuits. Grimes2 (talk) 10:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment He taught exegesis of the Old Testament in Frankfurt and in Rome, and was influential internationally. That doesn't yet show enough for my taste, - I'll try to add a bit. There's much more in German in his case. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good. Scuba 14:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 23:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Looks good, let's post. Bremps... 03:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support seems good enough to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Posted. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) New moon

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Article: 2024 PT5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A newly-discovered near-Earth object will be captured by Earth's gravity on September 29. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, CNN, LA Times, NYT, Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Starcluster (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sdsds (talk · give credit)

Article updated

We don't seem to have a good free image yet but I suppose one is coming. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait, it’s not Sep 29 yet. 64.114 etc 21:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose should be nominated next week. But also this article is just a stub. Natg 19 (talk) 21:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until it actually comes into orbit, but also Oppose on quality - article is a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait interesting, but not news yet This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment given that there is estimated to be one Temporary satellite in orbit at any time, and per the see also list we've identified a previously unknown case once every two years, roughly, this seems to fall more on a trivia side suited for DYK than ITN. Masem (t) 21:58, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  • Every two years since 2020, anyway. —Cryptic 01:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
  • It isn't eligible for DYK (still a stub, and more than 7 days old), but it could be in the future if someone manages to 5x expand it in a few days. Right now, it's neither suited for DYK nor (at least until September 29) for ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, pretty cool and notable but hasn't happened yet Personisinsterest (talk) 23:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait A new moon for Earth is a major note in astronomy and can be very interesting to non-astronomers too. I should say wait for September 29 to post though. High Admiral JMT (talk) 00:05, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• While Masem's overstating his case a bit, I think everyone else is doing the same for theirs, too. This is a 10m-wide rock; I can't find a prediction for maximum expected apparent magnitude, but current observations are about +22.1, and the back of my envelope says it can't possibly get brighter than +19.4. Some of the sources above say it "won't be visible to the naked eye", which is one heck of an understatement; it'll be at least 200x dimmer than Pluto, you're going to need a serious telescope to see it, and while Andrew's right that we'll probably get free images of it, expect it to look a lot closer to our ones of Eris than our ones of Eros. I'm all for posting interesting news, especially interesting astronomy news, but c'mon. We don't even post lunar eclipses, and at least people can go outside and look at those. —Cryptic 02:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, now and whenever this is nominated again. This is hardly a situation worth calling Earth getting a "new moon". It's a rock that will be here a bit and then it will be gone. Yawn. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: this is popsci trivia. Even the byline for the NYTimes article that was linked says It’s just a little guy, and not everyone agrees that it’s actually a mini-moon. Also, Despite its possible lunar ancestry, the object may not technically count as a mini-moon. To normally qualify, an asteroid must orbit Earth fully at least once; 2024 PT5 will perform a horseshoe-shaped orbit. “It certainly won’t complete one full revolution in the Earth-moon system this fall, so I’m not sure I would classify it as a mini-moon’” said Lance Benner, the principal investigator of the asteroid radar research program at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 04:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per Cryptic and Bait30. This isn't really a rare occurrence either, quite a few objects have been altered by Earth's gravitational field that we have characterized in the past few years especially with the advent of higher quality observational tools helping us identify more objects within our cosmic neighborhood. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:09, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  ITN subjects don't have to be rare as ITN mainly publishes lots of repetitive and routine items such as deaths, elections and sport. Instead, ITN entries have to be "in the news", and this one is. The only other NEO which seems to have gotten attention this year seems to have been 2008 OS7 and that's still a red link. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per others: it's trivia that we have a rock temporarily orbiting us for a while and then not doing so. - SchroCat (talk) 11:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until September 29 as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait and maybe support. An interesting astronomy fact and very much in the news. Regarding the fact that this happens every few years, we do post other events (elections, etc.) with this regularity too. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose now, support when it's the 29th and it's actually in orbit Scuba 15:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - if this small rock is a moon, then a comet is a planet. Hugely overly sensational headline! Nfitz (talk) 17:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait for now but on 29th Sept, My vote will be Support. I am all for these types of science ITN items. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Bait30 & Ornithoptera. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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(Pulled) 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes

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Article: 23 September 2024 Lebanon strikes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon leave 492+ dead and 1,645+ wounded in the single deadliest attack since the 2006 Lebanon War (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel fires hundreds of airstrikes towards Lebanon, killing at least 492 and injuring at least 1,640 in the deadliest Israeli attack in the country since the 2006 Lebanon War.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Lebanon, Israeli airstrikes targeting Hezbollah kill at least 492 people and injure over 1,600, in the deadliest day since the 2006 Lebanon War.
News source(s): NYTNBCWPABCReutersAP
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Huge escalation of the conflict in the middle east, every single media outlet is talking about it. Scuba 19:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Agreed with other opposers. This is just another part of the ongoing conflict. More escalations will occur and it seems unnecessary to post every escalation as they happen. We should really only post grandiose escalations (large-scale death tolls [perhaps five-thousand people as the minimum threshold] or widespread destruction). In relative terms, this bit of news is not that huge when compared to the conflict as a whole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viridianwindow (talk • contribs) 18:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now, this is a major escalation in the conflict. A such large death toll and that too in Lebanon makes this attack blurbworthy. I think I am gonna change my vote on the ongoing entry as well now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 19:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is significant, but this is still relatively commonplace. Also keep in mind that there will likely be further escalations. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Support in the event of major escalation, more casualties and maybe I should change my vote on the upcoming and split of the conflicts. QalasQalas (talk) 20:08, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The pager attack was novel but Israeli airstrikes are commonplace, just like Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthi rocket attacks. As a daily occurrence, they are best covered by Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered by ongoing. Jehochman ^Talk 20:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

  Which ongoing? this is Israel hezbollah war, not hamas Afif Brika1 (talk) 03:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support — Significant, even within the broader Middle East crisis. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Andrew. While larger than usual, Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon aren't uncommon, and this is moreso part of the pager attacks' wave of escalation rather than being uniquely escalatory themselves. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:48, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Seeing as it'll likely be posted at this point, propose ALT2. Better wording IMO, and virtually all RSes mention that the strikes were at least intended to target Hezbollah, though they've unsurprisingly resulted in massive collateral damage/civilian casualties too. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support These are the deadliest attacks in Lebanon since the 06 war. It's a stretch to argue this is covered by ongoing. This should replace or be added to the blurb about the pager attacks.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:07, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - > 10 times the causalities of the pagers and radios. To those claiming covered by ongoing, I do not see Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) listed in ongoing. starship.paint (RUN) 00:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support not covered by ongoing, and with 500 people dying in a single day, it's pretty blurbworthy. Kline • talk • contribs 01:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 02:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support a very major attack on a sovereign nation by an another sovereign nation. We posted the pager attack and the number of deaths is 10x than that attack. LiamKorda 03:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. Very clearly NOT covered in ongoing and a fairly large escalation of conflict between Israel and Lebanon. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Significant number of casualties and not covered in ongoing. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 04:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Support Can't see why not at this point. Bremps... 05:11, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Support big body death toll Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:53, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Doesn't matter if its covered by ongoing or not. With that many casualties, it's highly notable. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:02, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Support With 500 deaths and 2 thousand injuries, this is most definitely NOT covered by ongoing. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. We now have 2 Lebanon blurbs live, but I suppose the pagers one will roll off soon. Perhaps an ongoing nomination should be considered. Sandstein 07:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  This is already covered by Ongoing. The strikes are just the latest cycle of tit-for-tat which started with Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on 7 Oct 2023. And we cover this with multiple entries in Ongoing. The timeline has multiple entries for Lebanon on Sep 23. And the lead of Israel–Hamas war says "There have also been an ongoing exchange of strikes between Lebanon's Hezbollah and Israel, risking the eruption of another full-scale war." And that article has a large section for the Israel–Lebanon border.

  So, what ITN has now is excessive duplication as this conflict has four separate entries: two blurbs and two ongoing links. Tsk.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 09:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  Respectfully, I think there's a big difference between saying that X led to Y and saying that X and Y are the same thing. It's true that the beginning of the Gaza war nearly a year ago started a chain of dominoes that eventually brought us to the present day. But that does not mean that the airstrikes in Lebanon are not a meaningfully distinct subject from those in Gaza, or that these events were not significant enough to warrant their own article and their own ITN entry to assist readers in finding it.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 10:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  The main point is that the claims above that this is not covered by Ongoing are wrong -- there have been multiple updates about this incident in the articles linked by Ongoing. The only issue seems to be that the titles of the Ongoing links are not broad enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  The issue is that this is an event with very high casualties, is a large escalation in the Israel-Hezbollah conflict, and was around 10 times more deadly than the pager explosions, which were blurbed (you !voted to wait in that discussion). Such a major attack on Hezbollah is not something that would usually be covered by ongoing. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 15:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'm confused @Andrew Davidson. What's the second ongoing link? Ukraine or Sudan? Though if Russia ever killed that many people in an attack on Kiev, I'd expect we'd end up blurbing that too. Nfitz (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Link 1 = Israel–Hamas war
  • Link 2 = Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (13 July 2024 – present)

  Both of these report the facts of the blurb in question such as the number of casualties. And, altogether, the first page refers to Lebanon 68 times and Hezbollah 47 times. For the second page, the count is 102 and 114. The claim that this front is not covered by the Ongoing pages is misinformation. Clear?

  Note BTW that the timeline page seems to have been orange-tagged since August. Is no-one but me actually reading these things?

  Andrew🐉(talk) 18:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

• Day 2+ The strikes have continued for another day and show no sign of stopping. So, the scope and title of the article is now uncertain and under discussion. This further demonstrates the ongoing nature of the topic. The existing timeline copes with this without any hiccup as it has numerous detailed entries each day which cover the full range of the strikes and other incidents throughout the complete theatre. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Noting that the blurb has been pulled due to an ongoing NPOV dispute over the lead. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:06, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

  I see an NPOV in the background not the lede. Scuba 18:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's probably shifted since I posted this note. Point is there's still an orange tag. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  @The Kip, @Scu ba, I have just removed the last POV tag, hoping the article remains stable and NPOV. At least on talk, there seem to be no unresolved NPOV issues. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Vice regent probably better to ping @Firefangledfeathers, who I believe pulled it initially - I'm just the messenger here, lol. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Not in a place to look into this. Maybe post at WP:ERRORS? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

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