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October 2

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October 2, 2024 (2024-10-02) (Wednesday)

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October 1

Portal:Current events/2024 October 1

October 1, 2024 (2024-10-01) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2024 Iran–Israel conflict Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war The Syrian military intercepts several drones or missiles over Damascus. Several of them explode in the Mezzeh neighbourhood, killing three people and injuring nine others. (Al Jazeera) (AFP via Barron's) (Jerusalem Post) (Reuters) October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel Iran launches a wave of ballistic missile attacks against Israel in retaliation for the 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike, killing a Palestinian civilian and injuring two others. The U.S. State Department had previously warned of an imminent Iranian attack, saying that such an attack would carry "severe consequences for Iran". (The Guardian) (CBS News) (CNN) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Battle of Vuhledar Russian forces capture the town of Vuhledar in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, after Ukrainian forces retreat from the town. (The Daily Telegraph) Southern Ukraine campaign Seven people are killed and 12 others are injured in Russian strikes in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, Ukraine. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israeli forces enter southern Lebanon in order to begin a ground operation against Hezbollah. (Al Jazeera) (Jerusalem Post) A rocket explosion is reported in Tel Aviv, Israel, with the debris severely injuring a man. Separately, a drone is intercepted by Israeli forces over the Mediterranean Sea. (Al Jazeera) Israel launches an airstrike in the Ain al-Hilweh refugee camp in Sidon, Lebanon, in order to target Munir al-Maqdah, an official of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. (Al Jazeera) Israeli–Palestinian conflict 2024 Jaffa shooting Two Palestinian gunmen open fire on pedestrians in Jaffa, Israel, killing at least seven people and injuring at least 17 others. The gunmen are subsequently shot and killed by armed civilians and police. (Reuters) (Times of Israel) Business and economy 2024 United States port strike Over 45,000 dockworkers of the International Longshoremen's Association operating at thirty-six United States ports, primarily along the East Coast and the Gulf Coast, begin a labor strike, following the failure of the ports to reach a deal for worker compensation and a ban on automation. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season The death toll from Hurricane Helene surpasses 160 people, with most of the deaths occurring in North Carolina, making it the second-deadliest hurricane to strike the contiguous United States in the past fifty years, behind only Hurricane Katrina. (CNN) 2024 famine in Haiti An Integrated Food Security Phase Classification report declares famine conditions in Haiti, with nearly 48% of Haitians suffering from Stage 4 "crisis" levels of food insecurity and nearly 6,000 in starvation. (Al Jazeera) (AP) 2024 Lam Luk Ka bus crash A bus crashes and catches fire in Lam Luk Ka District, Pathum Thani Province, Thailand, killing 23 people. (BBC News) Rwanda Marburg virus disease outbreak Rwanda reports eight deaths from Marburg virus. (AP News) (US News) Law and crime Three people are killed and fifteen others are injured in a mass stabbing at a supermarket in Songjiang district, Shanghai, China. Police arrest a 37-year-old man at the scene, adding that the man had come to Shanghai in order to "vent his anger due to a personal economic dispute". (Reuters) (BBC News) Politics and elections 2024 Japanese general election Shigeru Ishiba is sworn in as the 65th prime minister of Japan, succeeding Fumio Kishida. (Mainichi) (AP) 2024 United States presidential debates The U.S. Vice President debate is held between Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and U.S. Senator JD Vance. (Business Insider) (CBS News) 2024 Mexican general election Claudia Sheinbaum is inaugurated as the 66th president of Mexico, becoming the first female Mexican president. (USA Today) Jimmy Carter, the 39th president of the United States, celebrates his 100th birthday, becoming the first centenarian former U.S. president. (BBC News) Former Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte is installed as the 14th Secretary General of NATO, succeeding Jens Stoltenberg. (DW)

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Mark Rutte installed as Secretary General of NATO

Article: Mark Rutte (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte (pictured) is installed as the Secretary General of NATO, succeeding Jens Stoltenberg (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mark Rutte (pictured) succeeds Jens Stoltenberg as Secretary General of NATO
News source(s): https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/natos-long-time-chief-hands-former-dutch-premier-114375028
Credits:

• Nominated by Anomynous (talk · give credit)

• Weak support Neither ITNR nor a national leader, but certainly an extremely influential position, and Stoltenberg had been SG for a decade. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support Although not a national leader, the Secretary General of NATO is still an important and influential position. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support Good Candidate, Per nom. TyphoonAmpil ^{[citation needed]} 03:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support(?) Nato Secretary General falls into a grey-area for ITN/R, but I think(?) we included Ursula von der Leyen being re-elected EU Commission president, so we should include Rutte too. Scuba 04:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

US port strike

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Article: 2024 United States port strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dockworkers strike at East and Gulf Coast ports in the United States (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/01/east-coast-ports-strike-ila-union-work-stop-billions-in-trade.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · give credit)

This may impact supply and inflation and is newsworthy. Interstellarity (talk) 21:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - this may not last long. And hasn't exactly been getting anything other than local reporting. What other strikes have we ITN'ed? I'd have thought it would have had to be more of a general strike, or something unusual like the 1981 US Air Traffic Controllers strike, when they simply fired all the strikers. If we ITNed all similar strikes, we'd have a few a month just for France! :) Nfitz (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Comment US East Coast / Gulf ports process close to half of the value of imports coming into the USA, and if I'm not mistaken, the US is the biggest importer on the planet. Also, I believe we blurbed the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike which was entertainment workers, not people who oversaw trade. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike was blurbed in July 2023: see the posted blurb page. There was also coincidentally a blurb for a large-scale strike in France earlier that month. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Purely by the numbers, a French strike does not have the same economic impact as one that impacts the entire East and Gulf Coast ports, which as noted process about half of all imports/exports. IF this lasts long (more than a few days), it could be one of the largest strikes in decades. Wqwt (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support – From the Impact section of the article, we can see the massive effects this strike has. First strike of this sort in nearly fifty years. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 21:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  There have been many, many, dockworkers strikes. It isn't even the first one this week - Montreal. The only difference is the rest of us don't rush here as fast as we can for local news. Nfitz (talk) 21:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait for a while to see if this is resolved very quickly (i.e. under 24 hours), but otherwise strong support. CNBC estimates a weeklong strike at East Coast / Gulf ports could cause up to 3.6 billion in economic loss, and compare that to 6.5 billion over a full 105 days for the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike, which was also blurbed. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait/Weak Support If this goes longer than 72h then the impact could be rather severe. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/support per Kcmastrpc and George. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Hold for now, suggest 48h as the threshold for a revisit This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for at least 48/72 hr to see how this develops and how the wind blows in terms of negotiations to end it. The Impact section should likely be expanded to explain better about how much cargo goes through the eastern ports relative to other ports (known factors), as that will help put the dollar figures mentioned in better perspective. --Masem (t) 01:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Significant event that could have an important impact on the US economy and the US election. Tradedia^talk 04:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Amos

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Article: John Amos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rusted AutoParts (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Amos passed 21 August 2024; it was announced 1 October 2024. Staraction (talk | contribs) 19:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose large chunks of article are uncited. Scuba 20:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment. I am shocked to see that they didn't let public know before 40 days passed. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready Referencing is extremely poor. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Iran strikes Israel

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Article: October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iran launches strikes against Israel following Israel's ground invasion of Lebanon. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Iran launches a missile attack against Israel.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Iran launches a missile attack against Israel in retaliation for the assassinations of Hezbollah and Hamas leaders Hassan Nasrallah and Ismail Haniyeh, and of Iranian general Abbas Nilforoushan.
News source(s): WaPo CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by RockinJack18 (talk · give credit)

Early, but could have crucial consequences in the conflict - RockinJack18 17:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Altblurb1 until Iran's attack is directly connected to the invasion of Lebanon. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 17:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait - not much is known yet about the scale, impact, etc. Fog of war is still very much in effect. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm satisfied with the combined blurb. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Thousands of missiles launched simultaneously, with many dozens of missies making it through the Iron Dome and causing massive damage. Count Iblis (talk) 17:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Do we have sources for thousands of missiles launched, with dozens causing massive damage? It was hundreds and a handful with no indications of the degree of damage when I was looking. But at the same time, surely this is why we should Wait. Nfitz (talk) 17:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait we don't the scale or the impact of these missiles, let the dust settle a little. Also, currently the article coinsists mostly of the background information and has no information about the strikes itself. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• It's been widely reported that this is in response to Israel's actions against Hezbollah which could be covered under the ongoing item for Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) RachelTensions (talk) 17:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. This was a major, highly newsworthy attack that is important enough to have its own entry. Jerdle (talk) 18:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait We don't know enough at this point. However, if this results in a major direct military conflict between Iran and Israel, I suspect some kind of blurb will be justified. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Support - I know it's tempting to bundle together the crazy events in the last 2 days but I think this is a notable development on its own. A nuclear-armed state has been directly bombarded by a foreign nation. Tel Aviv and Jerusalem have had hundreds of missile strikes, the entire country is in lockdown, by far the biggest confrontation between Israel and Iran ever. This will have major ramifications for the future of the conflict. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I feel there's significant exaggeration in your statement User:PrecariousWorlds. It's not the "biggest confrontation between Israel and Iran ever". With less than 200 missiles fired, it's not even the biggest confrontation this year - as there was over 300 in April 2024. Also, with less than 200 missiles fired, what sourcing are you using for the "hundreds of missile strikes"? Surely the majority of the missiles were shot down, and didn't strike. Can you provide some kind of back-up for your comment, or edit it? Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 20:37, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait/Oppose until we see if this has wider ramifications. Iran launched missiles at Israel just this year, in April, as a response to Israel killing five members of Iran’s revolutionary guards, but there was no larger effects. The middle east is a powder keg right now, and we should not be posting every salvo that occurs between all these nations. Natg 19 (talk) 18:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. a whole country waiting for missiles coming from +1000miles away to fall on its head, in what might spark a (choose your superlative / descriptor) war, is important enough. TaBaZzz (talk) 18:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support This is a big breaking news live coverage on every major news network around the world. It should be "Alternative blurb" because blurb is original research that is probably wrong. Tradedia^talk 19:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Covered in ongoing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb. We shouldn't try to read tea leaves about why Iran did this, nor should be broadcast their explanations. The article will cover all that. What's important to cover in the blurb is what happened. Hundreds of ballistic missiles were fired. Add casualty figures if there were any, as they become available, because we customarily include them. Jehochman ^Talk 19:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• comment reports say most of the missiles were shot down, and the few that landed did little damage with maybe perhaps one casualty. This would make this similar to the previous missile strike this year. It is probably better to try to keep it to one facet of this conflict, being the lebanon invasion. Masem (t) 19:39, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Support original blurb unless there is a separate posting for the Lebanon invasion. Two for one. Bitspectator ⛩️ 19:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Question Is the consensus that this nomination and the below nomination regarding the Israel invasion of Lebanon from September 30th are mutually exclusive? On the one hand, the two events are directly connected and closely related, so it seems logical to group them in a blurb. But on the other hand, this attack by Iran has been in the works for a while - is it an oversimplification to imply causation by saying "After Israel does x, Iran does y"? In any event, support some blurb being posted. The admin who reviews this probably should assess and decide on the nomination for the invasion at the same time. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support the original blurb here with both launches strikesand Israel's ground invasion of Lebanon to be bolded. We can use one blurb to document two very related events.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 19:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Vice regent Not true, the IRGC said it was for the assassinations Personisinsterest (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose covered by ongoing.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 19:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Observation 1: No one (of the general reader public, to a first approximation) notices/sees the "ongoing" items down there. See banner blindness. Might as well just remove the individual entries, just retain the "Ongoing events" link, enlarge text size a bit. Move all the "here are various Major Global Events" stuff to the top of that page. There, frees up space in the already crowded ITN box (this helps in making individual items stand out more). (Wikimedia really needs to hire a professional UI designer. The Right Thing to do would be for them to make suggestions on improvements, and work on things requested by the projects.)

Observation 2: Assume waaaaay less general background & world events knowledge of a general audience (the audience Wikipedia is supposed to be written towards). Lowest common denominator. What % of the total English-as-a-first-language population do you estimate would be able to without looking up anything, correctly answer: Name a country that Hezbollah has something to do with? Which countries are immediately adjacent to Israel? Okay now do total world English speakers. Those things being necessary prerequisite knowledge, to know that for some kind of News related to "Israel" "Iran" "Lebanon", you might want to go looking under "Israel—Hezbollah war". --Slowking Man (talk) 20:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

on the ·second point, we don't assume readers are dumb as rocks and there is some degree of WP:CIR for readers, it's why we normally do not link country or major city names unless we are specifically talking about that as a geographic place, because we assume that readers have a decent knowledge of world geography. Masem (t) 20:33, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

To be fair, it's hard to keep track of axis of the three H-terrorist groups, and what they currently occupy, for a casual reader. I think a simple "Israeli wars" or "Fighting in the Middle East" might cover it better. Nfitz (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I have some possibly bad news for you about the median level of geography knowledge of the general public. (Yes that's the right link though the website might look unexpected, they apparently commissioned the survey.) Hmm wonder what kind of results you'd get from a survey of one of the top 5 countries here after the US (the total # of which are in Europe: 0) Slowking Man (talk) 01:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC) (Clarifying addendum: top 5 by total # of en speakers --Slowking Man (talk) 04:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC))

• Posted I've written a combined blurb with the 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, but phrased so that we don't imply that Iran attacked because of the Lebanon invasion. The blurb I've removed was the 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike, partly so that we don't overload ITN with middle eastern affairs, and partly because Maggie Smith was posted later than the blurbs above. Schwede66 22:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Thai school bus crash

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Article: 2024 Lam Luk Ka bus crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 20 school children and 3 other are killed in a bus crash (pictured) in Pathum Thani, Thailand (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A school bus crashes (pictured) in Pathum Thani, Thailand, leaving 20 school children and 3 other dead
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, Bangkok Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Chainwit. (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit) and Miwako Sato (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Bus carrying school children crashes and catches fire in Thailand, leaving 20 children and 3 other dead. Significant both in term of number of fatalities and that of the fact that most of which are children. PS Feel free to edit the blurb as appropriate. I'm not sure about its writing style. --Chainwit. (talk) 16:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that image AI generated? See the hose on the right disappearing and the nearly unintelligible Mercedes-Benz written in English. That, or this image was taken at a low resolution and upscaled, keeping the sparse details. Either way, I don't believe this image is a good fit for ITN. Neutral on the blurb, seems to be a relatively major safety incident more than it is as a loss of life, as the article states that over 20,000 traffic fatalities are reported yearly in Thailand. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Image is not AI generated I can confirm. It just happen so to be a screenshot from a low-res live stream on YouTube. And yes, the bus indeed bears a Mercedes logo. -- Chainwit. (talk) 17:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose The loss of life is horrific. However we almost never post traffic accidents, even really bad ones. And as GeorgeMemulous noted, Thailand has a bad reputation for traffic safety. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose a tragic accident, but I don't think this will any sort of long term impact or effect. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose, tragic but ultimately routine news. For anyone curious, on the livestream, we can see that there's a twist and fold in the hose making it flatter at one angle, and giving the impression that it's disappearing into the ground (and reappearing), especially with the low resolution. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support Sigh... with respect, I find myself once again needing to correct the record and point out a double standard in relation to a bus crash which occurs outside of the western world. In March of this year, after 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash was nominated, there was strong opposition with many claiming that we do not post "routine bus crashes" (similar to what is happening here). At that time, I pointed out that, quite contrary to those claiming we never post automobile accidents, we had actually in fact posted both the Carberry highway collision and Humboldt Broncos bus crash with minimal, if any, opposition. To post those accidents from the Western world but not one with more casualties from a non-western country, would leave ITN readers with the impression that white bus crash victims dying is notable where African or Asian bus crashes are not. In the end, the 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash was posted to ITN. For consistency and to avoid systemic bias, that precedent should be upheld. This is a devastating event for Thailand and it is being widely reported by global news outlets and there is no reason to break from the precedent we set earlier this year. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  I understand your position, but in my opinion, the Carberry bus crash would get an oppose vote from me. Of the four mentioned, I'd say the Humboldt Broncos bus crash and 2024 Mmamatlakala bus crash are the only ones that would deserve a blurb, given the former having important and notable passengers killed and the latter having a very high death toll of one identifiable group. That being said, Oppose the 2024 Thai bus crash until if and when a major new development occurs. If all is said and done, it'll stay oppose. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Not interesting to our readers. Tradedia^talk 20:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  this is not a forum to discuss if articles are interesting but rather to post articles that are in the news ( WP:ITNPURPOSE ) so no offense but that argument is not valid (keep your oppose vote though not invalidating that!) Ion.want.uu (talk) 01:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per above. Absolutely tragic, but limited impact and likely to have a limited legacy. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support event is significant due to high fatality rate and the circumstance of it being children. Being "not interesting" to readers just because it didn't occur in the Western world shouldn't be any reason to oppose and doesn't diminish its significance and impact. Happily888 (talk) 01:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is the type of event article that at the present time, it is not clear if it has the enduring coverage that we'd expect for event articles, as is the case for most road traffic accidents, even with the large toll. This is the trouble that we have overall with keeping the encyclopedia to covering news topics that are appropriate for an encyclopedia, with a long tail and influence elsewhere, and not for any current event that gets a burst of news coverage (even if worldwide). Maybe there is some long tail of a story here, but its definitely not obvious, and until it is, we really shouldn't even have an article on it (that's more what Wikinews is for). --Masem (t) 04:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Jimmy Carter turns 100

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Article: Jimmy Carter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former U.S. president Jimmy Carter turns 100, the first U.S. president to do so. (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post, The Hill, USA Today, Al Jazeera, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Moonreach (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: A milestone for a record-holder. Carter is the oldest living U.S. president, the longest-lived president in U.S. history, the president who has lived longest after their presidency ended, and the first to reach the age of 100.

• Oppose Trivia, not the type of news we post. Masem (t) 14:18, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Good for him, but this isn't really news, it's basically trivia, as Masem already said. TomMasterReal^TALK 14:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The people over at DYK will probably love this one, good faith nom though. TwistedAxe [contact] 14:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. However, I'd set the criteria for a blurb at being older than Chau Sen Cocsal Chhum, age 103 years 4 months 21 days, the oldest state leader of all time. That or if he dies before then; either way Jimmy Carter is going to get at least one blurb by March 2027 (assuming no other leaders take the title before then). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 15:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above; a birthday isn't exactly ITN. Send this over to the DYK folks instead and let them have at it. qw3rty 15:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support For once, it would be good to report someone continuing to live rather than dying. The topic is making headlines across the world and so qualifies here at ITN. It definitely does not qualify for DYK for several reasons -- it's not a new article or recent GA, it's already a GA and it has previously been run at DYK in 2021. OTD might be a possibility as they do anniversaries but I don't know the ropes there so well. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Now I check, I find that it's already at OTD but it's easy to miss as it's buried down the bottom "Jimmy Carter (b. 1924)". Andrew🐉(talk) 16:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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• Post-close clarification: please DO NOT send this to DYK either. The article exists since more than a week, a five-fold expansion is simply out of the question, and it has already been promoted to GA. There's no possible way for the Jimmy Carter article to meet WP:DYKNEW. Cambalachero (talk) 16:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Post-post-close: I already nominated it for OTD a few days ago and it is running today, so we couldn't have had it elsewhere on the main page either way. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Inauguration of Claudia Sheinbaum

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Claudia Sheinbaum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Claudia Sheinbaum (pictured) is inaugurated as the 66th President of Mexico, becoming the first woman to ever hold the office. (Post)
News source(s): NPR, NBC
Credits:

• Nominated by The Wikimonger (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: It's the first time a woman has ever held the presidency in Mexico, also being particularly groundbreaking as the first woman ever elected to be head of state in one of the three major North American countries

• Oppose Already commemorated as an election winner in June. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Also, Queen Victoria more or less founded Canada in 1867. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Not only that. Elizabeth II more recently ruled Canada for 70 years.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  And not only that, but Mary Simon is more or less wielding that mace singlehandedly lately. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  😆 Also 4 of the last 5 have been female + Sauve. Nfitz (talk) 11:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  And if we're playing Devil's semanticist here, there's Kim Campbell, more or less "elected". InedibleHulk (talk) 12:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I don't see anything that's changed since the June ITN. Nfitz (talk) 11:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose we already posted her winning the election. Scuba 16:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think we post the presidential inaugurations. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: The news is when the candidate wins the elections. Unless notable for something else, the inauguration is trivial when it happens. Cambalachero (talk) 17:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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New Prime Minister of Japan

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Articles: Shigeru Ishiba (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Japan, succeeding Fumio Kishida. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Japan, after winning the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party leadership election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After winning the Liberal Democratic Party leadership election, Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) becomes the Prime Minister of Japan, succeeding Fumio Kishida.
News source(s): NHK, Japan Today, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Midori No Sora (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit), TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), Faustino Sojo (talk · give credit), ValenciaThunderbolt (talk · give credit) and ギルディアス156世 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Shigeru Ishiba has officially been accepted as the 102nd Prime Minister of Japan by the Diet. However, the article still needs some work done. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Duplicate nomination with the 27 September one, and the item should be posted ASAP. Unnamelessness (talk) 05:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

That nomination was closed with consensus to wait till inauguration. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Election article is good sourcing wise, but the background info is lacking info between 9/11 to 9/27 and that's a huge/crucial part of the election coverage. Ishiba's article also has a few cn tags, given the overall improved state of the article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per ITN/R Scuba 16:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

amended as ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support both the the PM's article and the election article are in good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Still an orange tag in the election article, and agree with TDKR that the post-9/11 coverage is still lacking. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Support because it's a new head of state and ITN/R. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 23:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@JohnAdams1800, if something is ITN/R, then the only matter to comment on is whether article quality is up to scratch. Schwede66 23:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

September 30

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 30

September 30, 2024 (2024-09-30) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes At least 95 people are killed and 172 others are injured in Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Five children belonging to the Imam al-Mahdi Scouts are killed in an Israeli airstrike in Charkiyeh in southern Lebanon. (Anadolu Agency) Three militants of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine are killed in an Israeli airstrike in the Kola District of Beirut, Lebanon. Separately, Hamas's commander in Lebanon, Fatah Sharif, is killed alongside his family in Tyre. (Al Jazeera) A Lebanese Army soldier is killed in an Israeli drone strike in Wazzani, Lebanon. (The Times of Israel) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israel informs the U.S. State Department that it will launch an imminent ground invasion of southern Lebanon in order to clear out Hezbollah infrastructure near Israeli border communities. (The Washington Post) Lebanese troops withdraw from the Israeli border ahead of an Israeli ground offensive. (Reuters) Lebanese displacement during the Israel–Hezbollah conflict The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees reports that at least 100,000 people have crossed from Lebanon into Syria in order to flee from Israeli strikes. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Coal phase-out, Energy in the United Kingdom The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom shuts down in Ratcliffe-on-Soar, Nottinghamshire, England, ending the 142-year history of coal-fired electricity in the UK. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents 2024 Nepal floods The death toll from the floods and landslides in Nepal increases to 204 people, with 30 others missing. This is the highest recorded monsoon rainfall in Nepal in the past two decades. (The Guardian) Twelve people are killed, 29 others are rescued, and ten others are missing after a boat capsizes off the coast of Djerba, Tunisia. (Al Jazeera) International relations Australia–Tuvalu relations, Climate change in Tuvalu Tuvalu's climate minister denounces the Australian Labor government's decision to expand three coal mines as an existential threat to the nation, due to the role of the mines in causing rising sea levels that have forced mass displacement across Tuvalu's low-lying islands. (The Guardian)

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RD: Ken Page

Article: Ken Page (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RadioTimes.com, Extra
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by InedibleHulk (talk · give credit) and Võ T. Kiên (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 10:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support American voice and stage actor of several memorable characters, aged precisely 70. A lot of the Career section might look unsourced, until you follow the Wikilinks. I, for one, don't mind following the Wikilinks. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose vast swaths of article are uncited, including most of his biography and his entire filmography and discography. Scuba 16:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pete Rose

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Article: Pete Rose (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support seems to be fairly well-written article pbp 23:27, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose several unreferenced sections; no section on death, it seems. Therapyisgood (talk) 23:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready This one is going to take some work before it can be posted. Referencing is dreadful. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Picture A famous name from his era and we have a good baseball-card style picture. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Whether that image is actually legit free (in this case, published w/o copyright) is extremely unclear based on the source it was pulled from, given that it was just added today to Commons — Masem (t) 12:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good and Rose was the face of baseball. So much so that I think we should consider a blurb for him. Scuba 16:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

I would not say that Rose was the face of baseball. However, I would be willing to support a blurb as he does have the most hits (a record unlikely to be broken). Unfortunately, I am doubtful that a blurb is happening, as he is not a Pele or a Maradona. Natg 19 (talk) 18:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple cn tags and many unsourced statements. Also, I am also oppose to a blurb. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready: a few CN tags. Once article is of good quality, support RD (major figure in a major sport), but oppose blurb.

-insert valid name here- (talk) 17:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb. Not that much famous or transformative. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Israel launches a ground operation in Lebanon

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Article: 2024 invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel launches a ground invasion of Lebanon aimed to clear Hezbollah's border infrastructure. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel launches a cross-border ground operation in Lebanon aimed to clear Hezbollah's border infrastructure.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Israel launches a ground invasion of Lebanon as part of the current Israel–Hezbollah conflict
Alternative blurb III: ​ Israel begins a ground operation in Lebanon aimed to clear Hezbollah's border infrastructure.
News source(s): https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/09/30/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-hamas-war-news-gaza/
Credits:

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
• Created by PopularGames (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit), IvanIOOfficial (talk · give credit), Braganza (talk · give credit) and Bitspectator (talk · give credit)

Yet another escalation to Israel's war against Hezbollah. Not sure if "invasion" or "operation" is correct here, so I added both as altblurbs. Article isn't up to ITN levels yet. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• support - i think "invasion" is more fitting as the title while "operation" sounds more fitting for the blurb Braganza (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support maybe we should just move the Israel-Hezbollah war to ongoing? Scuba 21:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This was added to ongoing several days ago, listed as Israel–Hezbollah conflict. Natg 19 (talk) 22:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• I'll support on significance too, but as GeorgeMemulous says, the article's not quite there. We can put the war in ongoing when this rolls off. Oh, duh, ack, last time I looked at the ongoing discussion it was headed for rejection (at least for the time being), and like a dolt I didn't actually look at the template. —Cryptic 21:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose/wait nothing has happened yet, Israel has only made this intention known. Masem (t) 21:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We already have Israel–Hezbollah conflict in Ongoing and this is just today's latest operation. The topic is contentious and so its quality is unlikely to be stable. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait - I'm not sure this has started yet. Support Alt II. Bitspectator ⛩️ 22:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Support: Wait until more happens. By then, my vote will be support. High Admiral JMT User talk:High Admiral JMT 23:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support, large scale incursion into Lebanon, confirmed by the media Personisinsterest (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose covered by the ongoing entry Israel–Hezbollah conflict. Natg 19 (talk) 23:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose It's in ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  so you would add it in a few weeks? Braganza (talk) 06:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose We knew that the Israeli invasion of Lebanon (which is all about destroying Hezbollah) was coming when the ongoing was added. This is in the already doubled ongoing. Nfitz (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC) See below.
• Update the current blurb to say Israel launched a ground [whatever] following the assassination of Nasrallah. Levivich (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  This guy gets it. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Support. Bitspectator ⛩️ 01:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Support This is the way. RachelTensions (talk) 03:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose - This blurb implies that the assassination of Nasrallah is linked to the beginning of this incursion, when they are two mutually exclusive events. There's no reason to combine them together. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hwat? I'm pretty sure they're not mutually exclusive considering they both actually happened... also, pretty sure they're linked. Levivich (talk) 13:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support it's a major development. Banedon (talk) 01:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I think its reasonable to say that this invasion/operation is covered by ongoing Hungry403 (talk) 02:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  No more reasonable than to say the same about Hassan Nasrallah's featured and connected murder; once combined, they can roll off together and whatever happens afterward can remain Ongoing (unless it's bigger, maybe). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment With respect, "It's covered by ongoing" is not, without more, a useful contribution to this notability discussion. There is no ITNC rule which states that the two are mutually exclusive and there are obviously some circumstances where a blurb for a major development within an ongoing conflict is necessary. IMHO, future discussion should address the actual substance of whether it is a sufficiently notable development to merit a blurb.

As for my personal view, I would wait and then support for accuracy - if the scale of the incursions is as big as initial reports, this is one of the most geopolitical notable events of the decade and marks a major spread of active boots on the ground warfare in the Middle East. The article is not there yet though and that is owing in part to the situation still rapidly evolving/literally under way overnight as we speak. Flip^andFlopped ツ 04:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. One sovereign state officially invading another sovereign state always merits a blurb even if it is technically covered by ongoing, since it is a massive escalation. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, possibly to replace the Nasrallah blurb. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 06:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think replacement's possible, but addition's popular. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:52, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  @InedibleHulk and UndercoverClassicist: how about @Levivich's proposal Braganza (talk) 07:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Literally and figuratively. The man's an idea machine. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, that's what I had in mind. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 07:59, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - This is basically the biggest development in the conflict since October 7th, even with ongoing this is a major development that is notable enough to be blurbed. The ongoing item should probably be renamed to something like 'Israeli invasion of Lebanon' (maybe rephrase somehow to reflect Hezbollah being the main target rather than Lebanon itself). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom and above. TyphoonAmpil ^{[citation needed]} 09:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support alternative blurb II. We really shouldn't be putting Netanyahu's POV so explicitly on our main page. Netanyahu claims this is a "limited ground operation", similar to how Putin claims the invasion of Ukraine was "a special operation". Let's not take sides and just state the facts.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 09:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Can an admin WP:SNOW move the article before it gets posted? I see 22 supports to 1 oppose.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 09:58, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Can someone explain why this isn't covered by the Hezbollah ongoing we added only 4 days ago in a discussion that contemplated this very invasion? Nfitz (talk) 12:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  After reflection, this is just too big not to blurb. Support but remove from ongoing until this rolls off and remove the current assassination blurb (but post this at top). Support Alt 2. Sorry User:Kcmastrpc. Nfitz (talk) 12:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  No need to apologize, you're making good arguments. I would lean towards support if the ground incursion could be confirmed larger in scope, but at the moment it appears to be targeted and limited. If that changes, then I will reconsider my position. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  It's hard to tell what they are thinking. Aggressors frequently play down their operations for logistical reason. And on the other hand, if Iran does, as the US is claiming they are about to do, and launch ballistic missiles at Israel, will we see yet another blurb? And another when USA fires ballistic missiles at Iran? I keep flipping on this. Nfitz (talk) 16:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Per above, the point of ongoing was to capture the evolving headlines that arose out of this conflict, including the well anticipated ground incursion. What's the use of ongoing if we're just going to blurb every major development on this topic? Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  If it wasn't for the lesser development currently still posted on its own, I'd hear you. You're making perfect sense, clearly. But there's a cognitive dissonance (in me), and we all know that's what everyone wants stopped at all costs (in each's own). So what? Pull it? InedibleHulk (talk) 12:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, I'd considered that, but I had also opposed the posting of the HQ strike as a standalone blurb. The pager attack seemed novel and what turned out to be the beginning of a very deliberate campaign by Israel, so that seemed warranted. If this develops into a full blown invasion, per above, I could be convinced to support a blurb, but at the moment this is a well-anticipated (albeit sad) development in an ongoing conflict. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  It's not sad for the children of the profiteers (and their children), at least, who also need to eat. Tolerance and wisdom are complicated, sometimes too winding. I haven't quite !voted either way yet, technically, so I'll let you choose for me and then just try not to think about it. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:00, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I feel that the addition of "ongoing" a few days ago is enough for now Tradedia^talk 14:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support As per above, I believe this shouldn't just be ongoing since it is such a major escalation. Support for Levivich's suggestion, and push it to the top as well Sharrdx (talk) 14:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support and support swapping out Israel-Hezbollah war for this article in ongoing. Scuba 16:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait - I'm going to change my mind again. This is moving too quickly, and all the blurbs are likely out of date with Iran's attack. Let's see what happens in the next few hours. Nfitz (talk) 16:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment IMHO, this is why we have ongoing, because the situation is always evolving. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I think adding this would be having far too many stories about this conflict in a fortnight, that's what we have ongoing for. Even, if this does end up getting posted then Nasrallah's death news should be removed. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose It’s a highly notable development, hence a weak oppose rather than a full one, but between the airstrikes (that ended up pulled), death of Nasrallah, this, and now the Iranian missile strikes, we don’t want to overwhelm ITN solely with blurbs relating to this conflict - that’s literally why we added it to ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm satisfied with the combined blurb. The Kip ^(contribs) 00:39, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose covered by an ongoing entry. LiamKorda 17:49, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support. Of course this event is related to the Ongoing item, but this is, really, the most significant event of the conflict. If it needs to happen, I think the best solution would be to delist the Ongoing item and post this. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb 2 It's an invasion, not an "operation", Mr. Putin. And, even if it's related to Ongoing, it's still very much significant beyond routine war coverage. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt II: Very significant escalating event in the conflict. We just decided to include the assassination of Hassan Nasrallah, even though that is also part of the conflict. I don't see the problem. BappleBusiness^[talk] 22:01, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted a combined blurb with October 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel. Schwede66 22:57, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Gavin Creel

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Article: Gavin Creel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 18:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support article needs some citations but overall looks good Scuba 16:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support a such heartbreaking news, gone far too soon. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Humberto Ortega

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Article: Humberto Ortega (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): France24
Credits:

• Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nicaraguan general, brother to President Daniel. Article needs work but we can expect substantial obits to make it easier. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose vast swaths of the article are uncited. Scuba 16:48, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose majority of the information on the article is unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Dikembe Mutombo

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Article: Dikembe Mutombo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Support: Article looks in shape. Death of a legend. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in good shape. Scuba 16:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article seems in a good shape. It is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station closure

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Article: Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom, Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station, closes after 142 years of country's fossil fuel usage. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom, Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station, closes 142 years since the first use of coal power there during the Industrial Revolution.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ratcliffe-on-Soar (pictured), the last coal-fired power station in the United Kingdom, closes.
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Although national level, this looks like a certain milestone with the background of Industrial Revolution that will probably be mentioned in the textbooks on clean energy and history. Brandmeister^talk 13:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: article looks good, and agreed that this closure takes on broader significance as the end of a (long) story of coal use in Britain, with all of the tie-ins with the history of industry implied by that. The fact that this is being reported in non-British news sources adds weight here, I think. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is in a good shape and I think it is notable enough per the nom. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Last bit of the blurb ("closes after 142 years of country's fossil fuel usage") doesn't really make sense. AusLondonder (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  How about "closes, 142 years since the first use of coal power there during the Industrial Revolution?" This isn't, sadly, the end of fossil fuel power in the UK. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 14:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's rather misleading as coal has mainly been supplanted by natural gas from beneath the North Sea and that's a more convenient fossil fuel whose use will continue. My house in London used to have a coal shed and open fires. It still has fireplaces and chimneys per Chim Chim Cher-ee but is now mostly heated by a natural gas boiler. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Well, Gawd bless ya, Moiry Pappins! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe I've missed it, but after 2015, when Thoresby Colliery closed, where did the coal come from? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  That was a deep mine. See open-pit coal mining in the United Kingdom. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Do you think the article should mention this? (The UK imported 3.4 million tonnes of coal in 2023, 45% of this coming from the USA). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Added altblurb1 as per suggestion by UndercoverClassicist, as not to imply the UK has moved away from fossil fuels. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose sadly this is the type of article and story that falls between the gap of ITN and DYK. The news is interesting but on the significance of news, very minor (if this meant the UK was fully on nuclear and renewables, that might be different), and the article is not appropriate for DYK due to age and small update size. I'd love to find a solution for these interesting news blips with good quality articles to be featured, and maybe that is ITN but we'd need to tighten down how these are selected as well. Masem (t) 15:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose belongs in a did you know blurb, not ITN. Scuba 15:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - seems rather minor and local. And yes seems like there's a hook here for a DYK - especially as they have about triple the space that ITN gets. Nfitz (talk) 16:11, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not allocated space by some higher power; its lack of space just reflects its lack of productivity. DYK is about 20 times more productive and so has decided to expand lately to cope with the volume of its entries. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support This has actually made global headlines. Adding the historical context that Great Britain was the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, it looks like the energy transformation is well underway into a new era. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, despite the Tories' best efforts. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Weak Oppose I believe that this is an interesting development and important enough to be on ITN, but the part of the article covering the actual closure of the plant is too short. It should be expanded or made into another article entirely. Hungry403 (talk) 02:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Coal production by country

• It was Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government that broke the power of the coal miners and pushed for alternatives. I did some work on the government's systems at that time and was impressed at seeing the Payable Order for the regular subsidy for the National Coal Board as it was about £600M. You see deep coal mining was uneconomic then and it's even more so now. Open cast mining is much cheaper and great quantities of it are shovelled up in Australia to be burnt in China's power stations. UK coal production peaked at about 300 million tons a year but that was a hundred years ago. China now consumes over ten times that. It's their coal usage that matters most. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Kind of puts things in perspective, alas? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Added altblurb2 for conciseness --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral, added photo for photo. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:47, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Tradedia^talk 19:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: saw this on Canadian news last night. C F A 💬 23:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support original blurb There are multiple categories of things that can be "in the news". Sometimes they are tragedies (a death, a war), sometimes victories (an election, a sports team). Other times, global headlines is just things human beings find interesting. "Interesting" alone is not good enough for ITN, but if the reason for the interest is something historic or symbolic, I think that's the type of story we should have at ITN. In this case, the news is both interesting and symbolic of a major shift in our society (the former industrial capital of the world no longer uses coal). I say blurb it. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Park Ji-ah

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Article: Park Ji-ah (actress, born 1972) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Korea Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A4F3:9501:BEE:C932 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Valenzuela400 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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South Korean actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:A4F3:9501:BEE:C932 (talk) 08:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Aside from the unsourced filmography, the article is basically a stub. No section talking about her career whatsoever. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Much work needs to be done, as currently the article only hosts basic information about her personal life and, besides two tables, minimal information on her acting career. ArkHyena (talk) 10:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose article is a stub with about ~110 words long prose and unsourced filmography. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article consists of a single sentence about her divorce, and an uncited filmography. needs major work to be in good enough shape. Scuba 17:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Typhoon Krathon

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Article: Typhoon Krathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon (pictured) leaves at least 1 people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Typhoon Krathon (pictured) leaves at least one people dead in the Philippines and Taiwan.
News source(s): [3] [4] [5]
Credits:

• Created and nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Category 4-equivalent typhoon, Very strong typhoon on JMA. TyphoonAmpil ^{[citation needed]} 04:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait or close. This nomination suffers from many of the same issues as the first nomination of Hurricane Helene for ITN. Currently, no significant impacts have been caused by Krathon. Though this may change should its forecasted landfall on Taiwan verify, it is inappropriate to nominate this to ITN before the fact. ArkHyena (talk) 04:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait for more significant impacts, as per the Hurricane Helene nomination. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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September 29

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 29

September 29, 2024 (2024-09-29) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike United States senator Mark Kelly confirms that it was U.S. produced and provided 2,000-pound bunker buster BLU-109 bombs that were used by Israel to assassinate Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah in Beirut. (Reuters) A total of 105 people are killed by Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon, including 32 in Ain El Delb and 21 in Baalbek-Hermel, and at least 359 people are injured. (Al Jazeera) Hezbollah confirms that Nabil Qaouk, the group's senior official, and Ali Karaki, a senior commander, were killed in Israeli airstrikes in Dahieh, Lebanon. (AP) (Al Arabiya) Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war Red Sea crisis 29 September 2024 Israeli attacks on Yemen Following the Houthis' launch of a ballistic missile from Yemen towards Ben Gurion Airport prompting air raid sirens in Tel Aviv, the Israeli Air Force launches airstrikes against seaports and power stations operated by the Houthis in Al Hudaydah Governorate, Yemen, killing four people and injuring 29 others. (Al Jazeera) (Al Arabiya) Syrian civil war Twelve pro-Iranian militiamen are killed in airstrikes of unknown origin in Deir ez-Zor Governorate, Syria. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene The death toll from Hurricane Helene rises to at least 116 people, including 46 in North Carolina, 27 in South Carolina, 25 in Georgia, and 13 in Florida. (CBS News) 2024 Conyers Biolab fire Approximately 17,000 people are ordered to evacuate their homes and more are ordered to shelter in place after a fire, potentially causing hazardous chlorine contamination, occurs at a BioLab facility in Conyers, Georgia, United States. (CNN) Seven people are killed and 85 others are injured after a head-on collision between a bus and a private vehicle in Majayjay, Laguna, Philippines. (Manila Bulletin) Law and crime Thirty-one people are injured in a double arson and vehicle-ramming attack in Essen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. The perpetrator, a 41-year-old Syrian national, is arrested shortly after the attacks. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 Austrian legislative election Austrians vote for the 183 members of the 26th National Council. (Reuters) The far-right Freedom Party of Austria wins the most seats with 58 but falls short of a majority, with other parties expressing an unwillingness to form a coalition government with them. (BBC)

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(Posted) RD: Ozzie Virgil Sr.

Article: Ozzie Virgil Sr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

First Domincan-born player in Major League Baseball. —Bagumba (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Minus the awfully large quote in the middle of his playing career, this article is virtually a stub and needs more expanding along with some MOS fixes. Kline • talk • contribs 14:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the career section mostly consists of a quote and there is no information about his life after 1988. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • I will add more later today. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment @Kline and PrinceofPunjab: The quote has been paraphrased, and some bits added. Feedback appreciated. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 04:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Article seems good enough now to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:25, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:51, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Nepal floods

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Article: 2024 Nepal floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Flooding in Nepal leaves at least 193 people dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Flooding in Nepal leaves at least 193 people dead, including 37 in the nation's capital, Kathmandu
News source(s): Economic Times, Reuters, NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit) and ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Flooding caused by the heaviest rainfall in the country's recent history, with a death toll that's likely to rise. ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Notable disaster, high death toll, article is honestly in good shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Very notable disaster with high death tolls. High Admiral JMT (talk) 03:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. High death toll, and the article is in an adequate shape. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There are a few sentences about flooding in July. I’m not sure if those sentences should be in this article. It also seems like the death toll of 170 includes people who died in July. It’d be good if there was more clarity about the death toll in the current floods. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The article tells us that this has been happening since July as it's the monsoon season. Flooding is common all over the world and so we need a high bar for such stories. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • I have to tend to agree here. The deaths are spread out over a long period of time, and like 2024 China floods, these deaths unfortunately happen every year around this time with monsoon/typhoon season in SE Asia. It is not like a signular weather event that caused the deaths. — Masem (t) 12:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

    In this case, the ~190 deaths have occurred over 2 days of flooding, not over the course of months. ForsythiaJo (talk) 14:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

    Which I think is not made very clear in the article, as the impression is that this is a cumulative toll. — Masem (t) 14:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  • We regularly post cyclones with much lower casualties during their season, so it strikes me a bit why floods should be less notable than cyclones.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

    We post too many cyclones too. This is routine weather and that's specifically the sort of stuff that we're not suppose to cover per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NEWSEVENT. ITN seems to have a cabal of cyclone chasers who systematically crank these things out but that's a systemic bias. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support The 170 death toll appears to be specifically about the September floods, in fact sources are saying the death toll is now higher. This is not just a regular occurrence as it has been reported that Kathmandu experienced its highest daily rainfall since 1970. Article is in reasonable shape with good sourcing. AusLondonder (talk) 07:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Some sentences give the impression that the death toll from these floods is 170. However, 1 sentence says “Over 170 Nepalese residents in total were reported to have been killed as a result of flooding in 2024 by 29 September, with 126 having been killed by rainfall in late September.” That’s why I wrote that more clarity is needed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• There's a justified "lead too short" tag that would have to go first before posting can be considered. Schwede66 09:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Lead too short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support lede seems to be adequate now and death toll in September is significant enough but I am not sure about the images bemuse it looks like copyrighted work being passed off as own work. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Just my thoughts. I've had a look around and nominated the file for deletion. Schwede66 20:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Not the greatest article we've ever had, but consensus is to post this. I've done some tidy up work to make it slightly more presentable. Schwede66 20:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Austrian legislative election

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Article: 2024 Austrian legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The far-right Freedom Party of Austria wins a plurality of votes in the 2024 Austrian legislative election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Freedom Party of Austria wins a plurality in the 2024 Austrian legislative election.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: National election per ITN/R; preliminary results announced. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until the official results come out. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 18:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support regardless of the offical results which will take some time to trickle out, every media outlet is treating this as a FPO victory. If the official count has something different that in itself would be a major news event. For reference: AP, Al Jazeera,Reuters, WaPo. Scuba 22:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Im not sure what the norm for this is but shouldn't a picture of Herbert Kickl be included in the blurb? Scuba 22:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready Referencing is in rough shape. Also, we don't include editorial descriptives such as "far right, far left etc." in blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'd hardly call widely accepted descriptors as "far-right", "far-left", (or "centrist", ...) as editorial! Nfitz (talk) 23:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  They are when they are used in wiki-voice. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  I disagree. What's significant here is the far-right aspect - which I don't think any English-speaking media dispute. Nfitz (talk) 00:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  We report election results. To the best of my memory we have never made comments about anybody's political ideology in our blurbs. When Fidel Castro died we did not refer to him as far left, a communist or a dictator. Nor should we have though he was unquestionably all of those things. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  And Friend Computer reminds everyone not to overlook, a commie, a mutant, a traitor, and a commie mutant traitor! Have a fantastic day-cycle! (I mean, he survived all those assassination attempts, after all...) --Slowking Man (talk) 03:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  What's different here though, is that a huge part of the story is that the party is far-right. No policy precludes us from mentioning it at ITN, and we certainly frequently refer to that party as far-right in Wikivoice - such as at Freedom Party of Austria and 2024 Austrian legislative election. Nfitz (talk) 03:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  • There's a difference between covering it in an article where it can be discussed and whacking it on the front page. I don't recall any time when an ideological descriptor was used for an election win in an ITN blurb. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 04:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem: that's not true I have nominated numerous election blurbs and frequently use the descriptor "conservative", "liberal", "centre-right" etc. and no-one has ever objected to this. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  But were they ever posted like that? Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Scuba. I consider this a victory as well. 64.114 etc 23:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support per 64.114 and Scuba. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:3571:D430:3C7B:6CB9 (talk) 23:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Any support reviews can be reasonable, and this is where what I said comes in. 2605:8D80:400:1A30:5C75:6C5F:45EC:6DDB (talk) 00:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - SchroCat (talk) 01:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - the election result doesn't have as much meaning with FPO having almost zero change of forming a government. Wait until there's clearer indication where this will land. Nfitz (talk) 03:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
  • That doesn't matter. This is a national election that deserves to be included per ITN/R. The only argument you can make is if the article isn't ready to be included, ie: it has too many errors to be included. Scuba 04:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
    • The results of the election are ITNR - not the election. Perhaps 'Wait until we know what results from this election. Presumably there's a process, and/or the PM will make a statement - I'm not seeing it in this article. Nfitz (talk) 16:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support – Article looks ready, one tag but it's a relatively minor issue so that doesn't bother me. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 04:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now The “Contesting parties” section is orange-tagged. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 07:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Dozens of CN tags that need to be addressed properly. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Just putting it here as there are a lot of multiple-way conversations going on above about this matter, but I have never seen a political spectrum description be posted on a politics blurb, unless it is a proper noun like the Centre-right coalition (Italy). I don't doubt that FPO is a far right party and the headlines reflect this, but it has to be consistent. We haven't said the political orientation of Sri Lanka's new president, which is very much part of the news coverage: the BBC say it is a shock result that will give the island its first leader from the left. [6] Were people upholding the status quo when they didn't post he was from the left, or did they just not find it notable? Personally, I find that a lot more notable than this story. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose there is an orange tags and multiple cn tags. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, article looks good without tags. Shadow4dark (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

September 28

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 28

September 28, 2024 (2024-09-28) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike Hezbollah announces the death of its leader Hassan Nasrallah in yesterday's Israeli airstrikes in Beirut, Lebanon. (Reuters) Interim Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati announces the country will have a national mourning period of three days for Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, starting on Monday. (Al Jazeera) Iran confirms that Abbas Nilforoushan, an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps deputy commander, was killed in yesterday's airstrikes in Beirut. (Al Arabiya) The Israel Defense Forces begin a blockade of Beirut–Rafic Hariri International Airport in order to prevent the shipment of Iranian weapons to Lebanon. The blockade will not affect the operation of civilian flights at the airport. (The Jerusalem Post) Iran–Israel proxy conflict Red Sea crisis The Houthis launch a ballistic missile from Yemen towards Ben Gurion Airport in Israel, prompting air raid sirens in Tel Aviv and most of Central Israel. (Reuters) Insurgency in Balochistan Seven workers from Punjab Province are killed and another injured during a mass shooting at a rented house in Panjgur District, Balochistan Province, Pakistan. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Ten people are killed and 22 others are injured in a Russian double tap strike on a medical facility in Sumy, Ukraine. (Reuters) Somali Civil War At least six people are killed and ten others are injured when a car bomb explodes outside a restaurant in Mogadishu, Somalia. (Reuters) (VOA Somali) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene The death toll from Hurricane Helene in the United States increases to at least 64 people, including 21 in South Carolina and 18 in Georgia. (AP) 2024 Mari Petroleum Mil Mi-8 crash A Mil Mi-8 helicopter carrying Mari Petroleum employees crashes in North Waziristan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing six people and injuring eight others. (AP) 2024 Nepal floods At least 170 people are killed and 59 others are missing in floods and landslides in Nepal. (The Journal) Nine people are killed, 27 others are rescued, and 48 others are missing when a boat carrying migrants capsizes off the coast of El Hierro in the Canary Islands, Spain. (AP) Health and environment United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres declares a warning at the UN General Assembly for nearly a billion people living in low-lying coastal areas due to the risk of rising sea levels caused by climate change potentially resulting in catastrophic flooding, coastal erosion, and climate migration. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime 2024 Lusikisiki shootings Seventeen people are killed in two mass shootings at homes in Lusikisiki, Eastern Cape, South Africa. (Reuters) Sports 2024 AFL premiership season The Brisbane Lions defeat the Sydney Swans 120–60 in the Australian Football League Grand Final to win their fourth AFL premiership title. (The Guardian Australia)

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RD: Winfield Dunn

Article: Winfield Dunn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D454:FB13:C677:B659 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BlueShirtz (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former governor of Tennessee. 240F:7A:6253:1:D454:FB13:C677:B659 (talk) 03:28, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose orange tag in the legacy section needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Drake Hogestyn

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Article: Drake Hogestyn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7], [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Santixd12 (talk · give credit), Livelikemusic (talk · give credit) and Rusted AutoParts (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose substantial unsourced information. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kris Kristofferson

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Article: Kris Kristofferson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 22:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now RIP :( There's a lot of uncited paragraphs. I'll try to work on some of it in the following days. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  • As will I. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready per above. Referencing is so poor I didn't bother with CN tags as it would have involved carpet bombing the page. I've orange tagged the article for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait: vast swaths of the article are uncited. See orange tag. Scuba 23:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready. Will need some work as there are several cn tags in place. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Picture We had a really good free picture of Maggie Smith but failed to use it so let's not make that mistake again. "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  You blinked and missed Smith's photo being on the main page. Schwede66 09:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  I was sleeping for most of those five hours. I had supposed that being posted into third place had been the problem but now see that she was overtaken by a routine football game. Thanks for the update. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's different from "failed to use" which you had originally purported. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  The numbers are in now and the views for Kristofferson were greater than James Earl Jones but not quite as much as Maggie Smith. With over a million views, this makes them quite blurb-worthy. Note for comparison that the current top blurb – 2024 Nepal floods – has a tiny readership – just 3,432 yesterday. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there are multiple cn tags and the first table in the awards and nomination section is unsourced, but when the article is ready, I would also support posting his Picture. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

2024 Czech Senate election

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Article: 2024 Czech Senate election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Opposition party ANO led by Andrej Babiš (pictured) wins the most contested seats during the 2024 Czech Senate election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2024 Czech Senate election, opposition party ANO (leader Andrej Babiš pictured) wins the most contested seats, while the governing Spolu alliance maintains its majority.
News source(s): AP politico
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kroulacek (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: National election per ITN/R, also the results have caused several ministers in the government to resign. Scuba 15:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Is the blurb even correct? While ANO did do better than at any other Senate election and was the single party that gained most seats, it only won 8 seats, while the SPOLU coalition won 15 (according to the article). SPOLU also still has the majority in the Senate, given only one third of the seats were up for election. Also, not sure we should post the elections results for an upper chamber with only quite limited powers. Khuft (talk) 18:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  • I am not aware how Czech senate elections work, just reflecting what the news articles say. Scuba 21:26, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
    • The AP newssource highlighted has it in its title: "Main Czech opposition party wins most seats in election for a third of Senate". Only a third of the Senate was up for grabs. ANO did well, no doubt, but the blurbs are wrong (in particular AltBlurb II) - ANO is not the largest party in the full Senate. Khuft (talk) 22:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
      • Thanks for clarifying, I'll make a new Alt Blurb. Scuba 22:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, the blurbs are misleading. Per OPs AP source, the ruling coalition is still has majority in the senate, the blurbs implies otherwise. Edit: Comment withdrawn as blurbs have changed significantly since posting. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
  • The single largest party is the winner, regardless of coalition talks. Scuba 21:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as the article is far too short. Propose ALT1 as well - sums things up a bit clearer. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think we typically tend to cover upper house elections that are on the off-year from the lower house ones, and to my understanding I don't believe it has resulted in a change of government either. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - the Czech Senate (like most upper houses) is relatively powerless. Also, this for only 1/3 of the seats. It's the lower-house election that is of note in this country. Nfitz (talk) 16:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final

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Article: 2024 AFL Grand Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Australian Football League, the Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final after defeating the Sydney Swans by 60 points for their first premiership win since 2003. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Fishonlegs (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

• Wait No game described and the rest is in a mix of past and future tense. Resolved at 11:42. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready Match summary, Radio broadcasters and some other sections are unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 11:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Severely lacking in citations, including the entire match summary. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - article's been cleaned-up and cited, should be good to post. The Kip ^(contribs) 02:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

• wait lots of orange tags, but the article should eventually be added when it's in better shape. Scuba 20:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC) Support article looks good now orange citations resolved. Scuba 15:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready, CN tag still at top, the article needs more citations. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support, seems to be okay for now.Moraljaya67 (talk) 13:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Citation problems have been solved. 64.114 etc 15:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per Moraljaya67 and 64.114 etc. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:613D:F091:F548:35C7 (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support The orange CN tag doesn’t appear to be there anymore. The article is good to go. 2605:8D80:400:1A30:5C75:6C5F:45EC:6DDB (talk) 15:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is good to go. 70.70.59.204 (talk) 19:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good now. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment That's a super-long blurb. Next thing, somebody will want "best player on the ground Will Ashcroft" added to it as well (plus the pictured) and then it's longer still. Can we not have something a tad more concise? Schwede66 01:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - SchroCat (talk) 01:51, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Propose altblurb: "In the Australian Football League, the Brisbane Lions win the 2024 AFL Grand Final, their first premiership since 2003." More concise, thanks to @Schwede66 for bringing that up (I was going to if he hadn't). Aydoh8^[contribs] 02:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)Moot. Aydoh8^[contribs] 00:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
• Post-Posting Observation A man nobody voted for was later pictured in this slot. The article that came with that photo contains multiple unsourced paragraphs about a living person. That is all. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

  You know how things work around here, we find an image for the topmost item that can have one. And for sport that's typically the person of the match. Your perennial whining about images is becoming disruptive. Stephen 01:09, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike

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Article: Assassination of Hassan Nasrallah (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Leader of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah (pictured) is killed following airstrikes in Beirut. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Secretary-General of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah (pictured) is assassinated in an Israeli airstrike in Dahieh, Lebanon.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Secretary-General of Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah (pictured) is murdered together with his underage daughter by an Israeli airstrike in Dahieh, Lebanon.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)

If confirmed, this will be a massive escalation regarding the situation in the Middle East. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

This will take time to clarify what happened, so I would wait. Also, there is a disputed tag on the article. Tone 09:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation by other sources other than IDF. Strong support, it's ready. TwistedAxe [contact] 09:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. It's still unconfirmed whether he was assassinated or not. If other sources apart from Israel says that he was killed, then that is a support. Full Support and Keep . Very late to say it, but now his assassinated is indeed confirmed. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for a confirmation from an independent source other than Israel. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support Since Hezbollah has confirmed Nasrallah’s death, I am changing my vote and this should be posted as soon as the bolded and Nasrallah’s articles are up-to-date. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 11:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 10:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Strong support - very notable that my father woke me up cus of it Abo Yemen✉ 12:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

*Wait until confirmed by local or other independent sources. Prodrummer619 (talk) 10:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• @Twistedaxe, Midori No Sora, PrinceofPunjab, TyphoonAmpil, and Prodrummer619: Hezbollah confirms his death, per the Times. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 11:39, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the reminder! Changing my stance now. TwistedAxe [contact] 11:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Seems like the vast majority of sources are describing him as killed. The annihilation of Hezbollah's command and control structure in the last few days should be blurbed in some form imo PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - We should blurb about the elimination of the command leadership as a whole instead of just this one terrorist. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  • The current blurb would fall (besides just news) being under a death blurb where the manner of death was the newsworthy factor. It likely makes sense to focus on this specific death, as long as the article itself speaks to this being the culmination of several attacks. — Masem (t) 11:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    His death isn't unexpected. Israel has been fairly vocal and transparent about 86'ing Hezbollah leaders for the past few months. He is in no way significant enough of a figure to warrant a blurb, regardless. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    This is absolutely an "unexpected" death. "Expected" death is dying from old age or from a long-known medical condition. Anything else is "unexpected", even in a case like this where Israel was vowing to kill him. — Masem (t) 12:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    Manner of deathwise, the words you probably want are "natural" and "unnatural". InedibleHulk (talk) 12:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    He was the head of one of the major political parties in Lebanon, along with heading its most powerful militia. In what world is his assassination not significant enough? nableezy - 14:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Yikes to the original oppose, even bigger yikes for the rationale and subsequent comments. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - We should specify in the blurb they were Israeli or IDF airstrikes, even when obvious.Kiwiz1338 (talk) 11:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: appears to be confirmed now (per BBC) UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 11:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Alter the blurb to state that it was an IDF strike. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now confirmed by Hezbollah. [9] Personisinsterest (talk) 12:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Assassinated not killed, and by Israeli air strikes not following them, but other than that support. nableezy - 12:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oppose on quality though. nableezy - 14:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Note bolded article has quality issues. Someone unilaterally moved the article while RM was in progress. The background section not only has NPOV violations, but also WP:V violations. I really hope those are resolved before we put this on the main page.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 12:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support – suggest blurb something like "...killed in an Israeli airstrike in Beirut" ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 12:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. The article is 50% background information which shouldn't be necessary with all the articles on the ongoing topic around. Also several sourcing and POV issues, as well as a possible name change. We have confirmation, but we need a quality article about this. --Masem (t) 12:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  +1 Bitspectator ⛩️ 12:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Change to Support: I think this has been addressed. Bitspectator ⛩️ 14:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Bitspectator, @Masem the article September 2024 Lebanon strikes is looking in better shape. Can we use that as the bolded article instead? The assassination is so far considered a subtopic of it.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think it makes sense to have the bolded text link to anything but the article on his assassination. Bitspectator ⛩️ 13:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Agree with Bitspectator - the death of the Hezbollah leader is the lede here. Note that the quality issues are fixable, but it may take some time (like, one news cycle day) for all the better details to get into place. We are in no rush to post blurbs on even breaking news unless the quality is there. --Masem (t) 13:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support – Already getting confirmation from news statements and the events are as it is. --cyrfaw (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The Israel-Lebanon strikes are covered by Ongoing entries and there are numerous such casualties as the Israelis are specifically targeting the leadership of their foes. And the topics tend to be problematic as they are contentious and so commonly have orange tags for POV issues. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  numerous such casualties He was #1 in Hezbollah, no one else at his level. starship.paint (RUN) 15:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The #1 is the Supreme Leadership Authority and Israel seems to be working through the chain of command. Reuters now reports that he has been "taken to a secure location..." while the UN is told that "There is no place in Iran that the long arm of Israel cannot reach..." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Very strong support. Hezbollah and multiple news sources have now confirmed this. 64.114 etc 14:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Major political leader and head of a notable militia force. We don't get too many completed assassinations coming through, and this one is significant. (Strongly oppose Alt 2 - what is an "underage daughter" - that's nonsensical: underage for what - buying cigarettes?) - SchroCat (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Pachu Kannan (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Hezbollah has confirmed his death. He is the leader of a significant military group participating in an active and significant military conflict. starship.paint (RUN) 15:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The article is, rightly, no longer titled "Assassination of..." The title and blurbs should reflect that accordingly. Zaathras (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted based on strong emerging consensus following confirmation. Sandstein 15:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Pull The article is now orange tagged for POV. That's a showstopper. Either the tag has to be removed PDQ or the article has to be pulled until whatever issues exist are resolved. We do not link orange tagged articles on the main page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Support pullComment This is an incredibly contentious subject matter that has seen multiple blurbs pulled in the past few weeks. It shouldn't have been posted in such haste given the turmoil in this topic area. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The tag has been removed already Abo Yemen✉ 16:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's still there as of this comment. Right on top of the background section. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oh didn't see it Abo Yemen✉ 16:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like the tag has been removed for now. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:28, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  It looks like it was drive-by removal; no significant changes were made in that section since it was introduced. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  And now I've added a verifiability tag after repeated additions of unverifiable material. See Talk:2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike#WP:V and NPOV violation in the background again. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Change killed to assassinated. That’s what any number of sources are calling it, and that is usually what the targeted killing of a political or military opponent is called. nableezy - 17:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'm seeing quoted analysts and political sources refer to it as an assassination, but RSes (mostly) appear to be holding off and using "killed" instead. See Al Jazeera, AP, ABC News, Time, DW, Reuters, and so on.

  The only ones I've found that clearly uses "assassination" in their own voice are the NYT and Euronews, while Axios has used both at times. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:58, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  At any rate, "assassinated by an airstrike" sounds weird. Like, a troupe of hitmen falling from the sky, knife between teeth? It's a bombing. Sandstein 18:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The proper wording is probably "assassinated following an airstrike." Ornithoptera (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  That would imply that he was first bombed and then killed some time later. Sandstein 19:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Then say assassinated in an Israeli bombing. nableezy - 20:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting support per same criteria as Haniyeh in August. Significantly notable moment in the conflict that overrides the ongoing item. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Also oppose the use of "assassinated" for now - comparatively few RSes appear to be using that in their own voice, and unlike Haniyeh's assassination, Nasrallah was in an active combat zone of sorts. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: If a commander is actively participating in military operations or holds a leadership role within the armed forces, they are considered a legitimate military target. International humanitarian law (IHL), as codified in the Geneva Conventions, allows for attacks on military targets, including enemy commanders, during armed conflicts.While "assassination" is the unlawful killing of a person outside of the context of an active combat operation, often with political motives.Light show (talk) 17:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Legitimate target or not, I'm not sure how that justifies a full-scale oppose vote. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The blurb currently posted on main says "killed". "Assassination", being not a legal term but an informal one, is applied at times by people regarding various killings in the context of war and armed conflict: the killing of Isoroku Yamamoto, the IJN admiral who commanded the attack on Pearl Harbor, by the US military (during a formal state of war between the US and Japan) has been called an "assassination" by some (for instance see a cited source in our article, Zengel, Patricia: "Assassination and the Law of Armed Conflict," 1992, Mercer Law Review: Vol. 43 : No. 2 , Article 3, retrieved September 26, 2021). WP will follow whatever wording a preponderance of WP:RS say; this is not a moot court of international law and not the place for debating legal topics. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

However, the article's first sentence states " the secretary-general of Hezbollah, was assassinated . . ."Light show (talk) 21:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sure that's the case. Whichever is not properly reflecting the RS ought to be edited to bring it into alignment. 'Fraid I can't help ya there, because it's one of those articles which is why eg it is under WP:GS. I don't go near 'em, since (even w/stuff like sanctions) they are toxic firepits of people there to engage in combat in their outside-WP disputes on WP (just, for the more careful, politely so they don't wind up at the business end of Arbcom enforcement actions) as another battleground, not to work on neutral encyclopedia articles. Not the sort of thing I like to engage myself in as an uncompensated volunteer hobby. (Understand that this being true for many people is the ultimate cause of "why there are these Issues™ with content in Contentious Topic Areas" in the first place.) Slowking Man (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Hi, don't know how to request this in a formal way but if someone is able to give me ITN recognition for the nomination, that would be appreciated! Ornithoptera (talk) 18:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Ornithoptera done! The Kip ^(contribs) 18:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you The Kip! Apologies, I know this definitely was not the right venue to ask but I wasn't sure where else to do so. If anyone does know what is the best way to do so, please let me know! Ornithoptera (talk) 18:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Please don't embolden the critics of ITN, this is very much "in the news" on a global basis, is clearly highly significant and we have a reasonable and improving article to link to. AusLondonder (talk) 18:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting stating what ought to be obvious: WP simply goes with what "the sources" are saying. "Killed/assassinated" is obviously the correct wording to use: whichever the preponderance of RS are using. (Frankly I would personally prefer a simple bright-line policy of always using "dies/is killed" for all deaths period no exceptions. "X died" is a simple objective neutral statement about facts of observable verifiable testable external physical reality: Is X dead, or not? Do they currently have ongoing cardiopulmonary function, Y/N? Everything else is already delving head-first into the realm of subjectivity and opinions, which are things intrinsically not falsifiable, not ever "true/false" or "correct/not correct". Hence these are things people can and do argue and disagree with others about, endlessly, a pastime they need to take to someplace other than WP appropriate to such matters. "Assassination", at least, has the generally-accepted meaning "an intentional killing done with political motives/intent".) --Slowking Man (talk) 20:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Pull Currently the page is NPOV and V orange tagged. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
  • @Kcmastrpc: - you have voted three times in this discussion within 10 hours. At 11:45, 16:26 and 21:27 of 28 Sept. starship.paint (RUN) 23:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

    The article is suffering from tag whiplash, fwiw. Kcmastrpc (talk) 23:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Just checked and the problems were non-existent or already fixed in the section, and the lead one is not even clear what it is the problem here, redirecting to discussions at 2024 Lebanon pager explosions instead. Cambalachero (talk) 22:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  @Cambalachero, there very much is a problem. Did you see: Talk:2024_Hezbollah_headquarters_strike#WP:V_and_NPOV_violation_in_the_background_again and Talk:2024_Hezbollah_headquarters_strike#What_happened_on_October_8?. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 22:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep for now This is easily notable enough for a blurb & there aren’t any orange tags at the moment. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• The article is orange-tagged still and its title has been changed to 2024 Hezbollah headquarters strike. You see contentious topics are, by definition, not stable, especially when they are breaking news. Posting them is just asking for trouble. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• The solution, besides just "never post Contentious Topics on the main page at all period", which I suspect might not find a consensus in favor of doing, is probably a policy of automatically full-protecting any such article while it is on main, and forking a /Draft subpage where people can work on a newer version. After its time on the main page is through, the draft can be merged back to the article. (Any major Issues identified in the fullprot version can be handled by edit request, something already a part of the protection policy.) There would be no showstopper problems with doing this; Mediawiki makes it fairly simple. WP:There is no deadline, and for topics touched upon by BLP it's more important to "get it right the first time". Priority #1 is to serve readers. --Slowking Man (talk) 14:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep for now This is odd, almost makes me feel someone purposefully trying to add orange tags to remove it from the main page. Either way, this is literally THE in the news story. I havent seen a story so in the news since the start of the russian invasion of the ukraine. keep it up! Kasperquickly (talk) 15:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I've lost count on how many times the tags have been reintroduced at this point. WP:ARBPIA is an incredibly contentious topic area and it's not uncommon for articles in this space to find themselves orange tagged. I would presume admins would know this and be wary of featuring articles on the front page that are so heavily sanctioned. I concur with @Slowking Man that caution should be exercised in this area and full protection be introduced for the duration the article is features on the main page. Kcmastrpc (talk) 20:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Fully agree with full protection of all ARBPIA articles that go on the main page. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 01:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Such articles are commonly dominated by partisans who try to spin them to their side. If you protect such a page then you freeze it with a particular partisan POV. This is a significant quality issue as WP:NPOV is a core policy. Such topics are best left to the high-level overview of the Ongoing entries. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  I have no strong feelings on the idea, but policy already allows for reversion of a fullprot article to an earlier version without "problematic" content, as well as for admins to copy over to the prot version changes which gain consensus on the talk page. The intent is to halt edit warring and force people to discuss, not to "prefer" whichever version "wins" and manages to "make it in" right before the page is protected. Slowking Man (talk) 15:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This is the second time I check the article in order to fix whatever caused the orange tag so that the article can stay in the main page, only to find out that there was nothing to fix. In the talk page they said that the article had to mention that Hezbola says that they would cease the hostilities if Israel stops its operations at Gaza, but the article already says that. Cambalachero (talk) 12:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 27

September 27, 2024 (2024-09-27) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Ministry of Defense claims soldiers captured the village of Marynivka in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Al Arabiya) Kryvyi Rih strikes At least one person is killed and five others are injured in a Russian missile strike on a police department in Kryvyi Rih, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Nuclear risk during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Belarusian involvement in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko warns that Belarus will use Russian nuclear weapons if the country is attacked by NATO. (Anadolu Agency) Southern Ukraine campaign Russian loitering munitions hit the city of Izmail in Odesa Oblast, Ukraine, killing three people and wounding fourteen. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Israel carries out several airstrikes using bunker buster bombs on Beirut, Lebanon, killing six people, injuring about a hundred and destroying six buildings. These also targeted Hezbollah's central headquarters to assassinate its leader, Hassan Nasrallah. (L'Orient le Jour) (Al Jazeera) (Ynet News) A second wave of airstrikes hits three buildings in Beirut. (Al Jazeera) Israel launches an airstrike against a Syrian military post in the countryside near Damascus, killing five soldiers and injuring another. (Al Arabiya) Israel–Hamas war An aid worker of a United States-based charity is shot and killed in her car by Palestinian gunmen near Khan Yunis in the Gaza Strip. Gazan government officials claim that the gunmen had mistakenly identified the vehicle. (Al Arabiya) Haitian crisis The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights reports that at least 3,661 people, including 100 children, have been killed in the first six months of the year by ongoing gang violence in Haiti. (Al Jazeera) Sudanese civil war At least 18 people are killed when the Rapid Support Forces attack a market in Al-Fashir, Sudan. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene At least 17 people are killed and more than 900,000 people are reported to be without power due to high winds and flooding caused by Hurricane Helene in Georgia, United States. A rare flash flood emergency is also issued for the Atlanta metropolitan area. (CNN) The Walters Dam in Tennessee suffers a catastrophic failure due to ongoing heavy rainfall, with Cocke County Mayor Rob Mathis ordering the immediate evacuation of parts of the nearby city of Newport. (WVLT-TV) The Emergency Management department of Rutherford County, North Carolina, issues a warning for the "imminent" failure of the Lake Lure Dam due to significant rainfall, and orders immediate evacuations. (USA Today) 2024 Pacific hurricane season Hurricane John Tropical Storm John brings over 950 mm (37 inches) of rainfall to southern Guerrero, Mexico, twice eclipsing the amount of rainfall dropped by Hurricane Otis on the same area in 2023. (Reuters) Fifteen people are killed when an illegal gold mine collapses in Solok Regency, West Sumatra, Indonesia. (Reuters) Thirteen people are killed and 23 are injured after an explosion at a fuel station near Makhachkala, Dagestan, Russia. (AP) International relations Iran–United States relations, Iran–Israel relations The Iranian Foreign Ministry accuses Israel of using United States-produced and gifted 5,000 lbs bunker buster munitions to strike Hezbollah targets in residential areas in and around Beirut, Lebanon. (Reuters) Iraq–United States relations, Operation Inherent Resolve Iraq and the United States agree to end the U.S.-led coalition mission in Iraq by September 2025, with all remaining American troops withdrawing by the end of 2026. (Reuters) Law and crime Iran–United States relations The United States Justice Department charges three members of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps for hacking Republican candidate Donald Trump's presidential campaign and "trying to disrupt the 2024 presidential election". (Reuters) Hamburg Police seize two tons of cocaine worth €100 million ($112 million) and arrest twelve suspects in Hamburg, Germany, including several foreigners. (DW) Politics and elections 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election Shigeru Ishiba defeats Sanae Takaichi in a runoff election to become the next president of the Liberal Democratic Party and prime minister designate. (Kyodo News) Sports 2024 Chicago White Sox's 121st loss, Worst Major League Baseball season win–loss records The 2024 Chicago White Sox earn their 121st loss against the Detroit Tigers, breaking the Major League Baseball record for the most amount of losses in a post-1900 season. (AP)

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RD: Abbas Nilforoushan

Article: Abbas Nilforoushan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-vows-revenge-for-top-irgc-officer-killed-in-beirut-strike-that-took-out-nasrallah/
Credits:

• Created by Razgura (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Elserbio00 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Iranian brigadier general of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. 18:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Support a little short, but properly cited. Scuba 16:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Fabián Caballero

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Article: Fabián Caballero (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Mirror
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Robby.is.on (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Argentine-Paraguayan professional footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Several sections are unsourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait there are some statements that lack citations, career stats section needs sourcing too. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Sorry, it's too stubby for my liking. Please expand the article. In addition, the article has a poor structure, with half the lead's content not present in the body of the article. Schwede66 22:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Too stubby? It has double the prose of the current top blurb article and more than the #2 too. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pappammal

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Article: Pappammal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mandtplatt (talk · give credit) and Suneye1 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian organic farmer. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment She was 109 and still fairly active. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support it is a short article, but I think it is good enough. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support seems to check out! Ornithoptera (talk) 07:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted: first RD, then blurb) Blurb/RD: Maggie Smith

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Article: Maggie Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  British actress Maggie Smith (pictured) dies at age of 89. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Famous actress. Household name and winner of the Triple Crown of Acting. Davey2116 (talk) 13:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Needs some work at the moment with citations, but RD only once it is up to standard. Not transformative, impactful or at the level for a blurb, and - despite all the support votes, being "famous" does not equate to a blurb, nor does appearing in popular films. - SchroCat (talk) 13:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  this has become a joke of an item on the wiki homepage.

  a small group of commentators judging lives, whether they've lived a worthy life for the sacred RD section.

  judgmental jokes.

  obv she deserves to be there.

  you ppl should take a look at yourselves. Skootamassa (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Oh dear. Sorry you don't understand how this place works, or what the criteria are for inclusion in different bits of the ITN section. Maybe you could read up on that before commenting next time? And there are no jokes, judgemental or otherwise. - SchroCat (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  It's not about living a worthy life, it's about having enough reliable sources and media coverage. A blurb usually comes only when the death has a far-reaching impact beyond the event itself, such as Elizabeth II. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose On quality. Would Support a blurb if the article had some sort of legacy section that reflected her impact on the acting industry. One of the few actors to earn the Triple Crown of Acting and her death will undoubtedly be making global headlines, I think that's some reasons why I'd back a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  tbh I think it will come in time. This literally just broke the news not that long ago. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Unfortunately obits are always full of puffery, rather than balanced analysis, which is what skews many articles (and ITN voting). - SchroCat (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb - “Famous actress” is of course an understatement. Iconic is more like it. She won every relevant award possible, and is known worldwide for her work in the Harry Potter movies. Add in her acting in Downton Abbey and decades of top-notch acting in major movie roles, and you have an ITN blurb. RIP Maggie! Jusdafax (talk) 13:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Obviously. She's famous for sure, but no more so than Kirk Douglas or Vera Lynn. Blurbs are, and have always been, for people of a Mandela or Thatcher stature, people where a "death and funeral of..." article would be strongly considered. Despite her many great achievements, Smith does not rise to this level. RIP anyway, I've really enjoyed her work over the years.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic actress whose roles and achievements have made her known across the world. Noah, BSBA^Talk 13:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, a few citation needed tags to be resolved. Actress with a lasting legacy and well-written article. Almost ready for the main page. Flibirigit (talk) 13:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Begin Photo RD It's time. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I support this. Ktin (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb As the nom mentioned she has won Oscar, Emmy and Tony awards. She has starred in some if the most famous pop culture works of recent time. Here even in rural Punjab, people recognize her. However, there are some minor issues that needs to be resolved first ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Also, to prove the point that she is very well know here in Punjab and India, the two of best selling Punjabi language newspapers, Daily Ajit and Jagbani, published the news about her death in their 28th September editions, here and here. I think the last any Hollywood celebrity's death to be reported on Punjabi newspapers was of Sean Connery, nearly four years ago. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 04:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb — Per Amakuru. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb subject to issues being fixed. Mjroots (talk) 14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb While there is a section to discuss the numerous awards she has won, winning awards does not equate to someone that has had a lasting legacy or impact on their field. We're also going to see the same "popular/famous/iconic/household name" arguments that do not fly in demonstrating someone as a great or major figure in their field. (ETA) I would note that if this legacy section can be expanded to show how she influenced the field of acting (which might be possible), then I would be more ready to accept a blurb, but right now with just awards and fame, that's not sufficient, as far too many actors would qualify for a blurb on that facet alone. Oppose RD on current quality issues with several CNs all over the place.Masem (t) 14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb She was an very famous actress and had some really famous iconic roles throughout her career and has won two Oscars. LiamKorda 14:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Support Blurb Iconic, lauded, craft-defining actress. Revered by her profession; adored by the public. She is the kind of figure for whom a blurb is a no-brainer. Already the most-read story at the BBC, the Guardian, The NYT. Blurb now. Dr Fell (talk) 14:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb Iconic actress, top of her field, world renowned, triple crown of acting winner. Blurb is a no-brainer RachelTensions (talk) 14:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Now Supporting RD Article is much improved. Neutral on a blurb. She was certainly an important figure, but we have been routinely declining to blurb other giants in the field. "One can't go to pieces at the death of every foreigner. We'd all be in a constant state of collapse whenever we opened a newspaper." Lady Violet, Dowager Countess of Grantham -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Highly regarded at the top of her field, won numerous awards and recognised worldwide. I'd support the blurb and will look to help with the current tags. Though I would suggest the image we use should really be of her in her McGonnagal and after phase of life as that's how many recognise her. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb I'm not sure how she could be considered as influential of an actor as the recently deceased James Earl Jones, who has an EGOT, where Maggie Smith does not. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  I wholeheartedly agree she should be an RD only (not transformative), but while not EGOT, she outdid JEJ in awards, given she had two Oscars, five BAFTAs, four Emmys, three Golden Globes and a Tony. She also had six Laurence Olivier Award nominations and had the Triple Crown of Acting. - SchroCat (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Clear example of WP:OTHERSTUFF. Not a valid rationale as I see it. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 20:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Quite the opposite; she doesn't have an EGOT. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Doesn't matter in the slightest per WP:OTHERSTUFF, your failure to understand that policy is frankly rather disappointing. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  There is no requirement for actor to have EGOT to be blurbed, Grammy is after all a musical award.

  Besides, there were arguments against blurbing James Earl Jones on grounds of him being awarded an Honorary Oscar. BilboBeggins (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Very Strong Support Blurb I believe this worldwide famous actor should be featured. She has been the star of many films including both Downton Abbeys and has captured the hearts of many, such a shame we have lost such an icon of the film industry.

The photo does need to be updated on the Wikipedia page, but I strongly support this blurb. 2H-Writer (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The photo is from the period when she won her first Oscar. That's the period where she became most celebrated. We don't need to bow to populism - she was more than Harry Potter and Downton; her damehood, for example, preceded those roles. Humbledaisy (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Blurb The article is still being edited, and she doesn't have enough due weight to merit a blurb. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD: as others have said, I struggle to see a blurb argument given the standards we imposed for James Early Jones, but the article is good and the person clearly notable. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic to say the least. Few actresses have managed to stay in high profile, diverse roles for as long as she did. Recognized world over. Cart (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb She dominated stage and screen for decades and will be remembered as a legend of an era.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• RD only, very notable actor but not the same importance/notability as a world leader. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 17:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, she was very famous worldwide and her death is reported by major media around the world right away; Their Majesties the King and Queen, together with former and current Prime Ministers all paid tributes to her. The recognition and importance of this sad news are indeed sufficient. — Boreas. 17:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, oppose blurb per conversations around James Earl Jones and other recent actors. Scuba 18:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

The fact that James Earl Jones could and should have been blurbed but wasn't won't have influence the decision to blurb another person. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Bummer, but if the consensus is Jones didn't deserve a blurb, than Smith doesn't deserve one either. Scuba 19:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

IMO as an actress and in achievements, Smith was several rungs above Jones. Cart (talk) 20:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

To prove my point, Swedish radio is just doing a tribute program to Smith, Jones wasn't even mentioned on the news. Cart (talk) 20:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the consensus was that James Earl Jones didn't deserve one - the discussion timed out, but there was a majority in favour. The problem is that every time a non-political figure is nominated for a blurb, there's a hard core of RD regulars who have their own (not necessarily matching) criteria that they repeatedly assert are the death-blurb criteria, and they make every discussion of this kind into a battleground to try and win once and for all. I'm heartily sick of it. We have too few stories reaching ITN as it is, and this just makes these kinds of nominations a bitter business to have to deal with. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb. Won Academy Award two times, was in spotlight for around sixty years. A larger than life personality that was a household name and worldwide known, so the information about her death will be useful to many people. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• RD only - Many notable scientists are mentioned in RD only, so famous actors should fall in the same ballpark. -Abhishikt (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support for RD. Definitely a legendary actor of long experience and achievements - Triple Crown actors are far from common. Article looks thoroughly sourced now. I am not certain if she does or does not merit a blurb, for my part. Challenger l (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb She is an actress at the top of her field, with a career spanning decades (including recent award-winning roles), who has a rare "triple crown" of victories. If she is not nominated, then we may as well just set the precedent that no blurbs for actors or actress who die of natural causes ought be posted because this is as notable as you can get. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, absolutely and finally, we may as well just set the precedent. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I think it would be a bad thing if we decided that politicians' lives deserve special mention and leading cultural figures do not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  This goes for all purely tributary RDs, with lives general audiences remember but deaths featuring age. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Certainly consistent and a view I can see myself being a little sympathetic to. All I want is some objective criteria/on, to avoid recurring angels, pin, etc debates revolving around subjective things like "major and influential". (I would in the event such a thing were adopted suggest making RD a bit more visible/"standing out". Might need to tweak the main page layout a little. Also a "temporarily 'pinning' high-traffic RDs so they don't get pushed off quickly" thing would be a good idea, to better serve readers.) Slowking Man (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  That creates a bias towards popular topics, which we should absolutely not be doing, since that will weigh far more in favor of Western/English ones. Masem (t) 00:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  The die in that regard was cast the moment the English Wikipedia decided to have an "In the news" section on the "front page" (so to speak), since that, naturally, is going to reflect most closely what is currently "in the English-language news". Unless the project and WMF bent over backwards to attract lots of polyglot en-speakers to enwp, and, if anything more importantly, to keep them engaged and willingly contributing to the project. Or, something like retaining a paid bureau of professional translators for WP to call upon to translate content into English. Kind of hard to write things reliably about things covered mostly by sources you can't understand. (For ex. serious historians (meaning people whose job titles are things like "Professor of X History", not people making "pop history" Content™) basically must learn at least some of the languages relevant to their chosen field(s) of study, eg historians of the ancient Mediterranean world will as a matter of course pick up at the least some ancient Latin and Greek.)

  The Old Grey Lady and the Beeb aren't going to focus some of their resources on greater coverage of not-majority English-as-first-lang parts of the world because some people at Wikipedia asked them to very politely, I'm afraid. The only other way, under WP's control, to cut through that Gordian knot (mixing some metaphors tonight) is to deep-six the ITN section altogether. Slowking Man (talk) 01:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  While it is true the news (and topics at ITN) will weigh more heavily on Western media, we absolutely do not need to perpetuate that bias that by the suggestion that we keep a highly-viewed/popular article in the ITN box longer than other items (the "temporarily pinning" idea). That's a facet we absolutely can control to minimize our own biases. Masem (t) 02:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Is it what readers want, Y/N? Asking rhetorically as I certainly don't know myself. That's the thing that matters most. (I would be thrilled with a well-designed survey of a representative sample of main page visitors (logged-in or not) about things of this nature. Sounds like something the WMF could stand to devote some resources to! I believe there have in fact been at least a couple of such things in the past about certain topics?) Slowking Man (talk) 03:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  If we go by what readers want, we'd basically be writing a popular culture TVTropes wiki, and that's how WP was when it was first created but has moved well beyond that. We know that some topics will draw more interest, but our goal being on the main page is to feature a wide range of topics including those people do not know anything about as well as the familiar. We should absolutely not give excessive weight to popular topics, which is why we routinely ignore those !votes that claim we should be driving ITN via pageviews. Masem (t) 03:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Additional comment and with regards to everyone complaining about the inconsistency if she is posted but not James Earl Jones... I completely agree. JEJ should have been posted, and that was a bad decision on the community's part. But two wrongs a right does not make. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, neutral on blurb. Obviously a very important figure. -insert valid name here- (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - greatly awarded and prolific actor, with an exceptionally long career. I'm not sure saying she isn't a famous politician, or what-aboutims mean much. Nfitz (talk) 20:29, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Ready for RD, based on when I previously commented, the only sourcing issue I see is confirming a notable movie co-starring credit which is trivial to fix. All CNs have been addressed. --Masem (t) 20:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posting as RD; blurb discussion ongoing (give me a few minutes to post it correctly; it's been a minute). Among the half dozen people who bothered to mention article quality (instead of the RD/blurb worthiness feud), there's a consensus the article is ready now. The article seems solid, and a lot of readers will be interested in seeing it now, rather than in 3 days when the RD/blurb issue is done. So I'm posting as an RD, and the discussion about a blurb can continue. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Very strong support blurb. She has been an iconic, top-notch actress (especially in movies) for decades who won dozens of awards (multiple times), and has worked for many famous pop culture works. Blurb now. 64.114 etc 21:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

VS Support per 64.114 etc and others. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:C5D1:A387:2E8:5DFD (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Also a very strong support. The reviews are reasonable. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• For those pushing for a blurb, you would strongly help your case by using the numerous obits that have come out to show how much of an impact or legacy she has in her field. There's a rather large number of these (compared even to JEJ) so there's fair game for a blurb, but let's please have stronger evidence based (via sources) that shows this is what reliable sources also state, rather than making original research claims here. --Masem (t) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

This is a reasonable request. I'd much rather this was both the tone and the direction in these kinds of discussions. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb — due to the popularity of Harry Potter films. STSC (talk) 00:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC
• Support blurb Incredibly iconic actress known far and wide for her multitude of roles — not just for Harry Potter and Downtown Abbey. If Smith doesn't get in, then which actor/actress does? Do death blurbs become exclusive for former presidents? Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Iconic. Everyone loves Harry Potter Kasperquickly (talk) 02:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I'm iconic and (like Star Wars, Downton Abbey and the National Theatre) I haven't even seen it. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I most assuredly do not like Harry Potter. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Never cared for HP, loathe JKR. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb - not transformative, not in the upper echelon of famous and important actors. Can easily tell the story of film/television without her. Not especially well-known. I don't think a minor role in one of the most successful franchises of all time should mean very much. 2601:5C2:0:A6F0:5D8A:2DAE:87E0:4CF7 (talk) 03:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Just realized I wasn't logged in - replying for attribution purposes. LocoTacoFever (talk) 03:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

'Not especially well-known' - this claim, in particular, is in the teeth of the evidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb not a serving head of state or government. Manner of death not notable. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Again, 'either a serving head of state or government, or died in a notable manner' is not and never has been the unique criterion for these things, and your repeated thumping on it does not make it so. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

And neither have popularity. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 15:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support blurb The consensus for a blurb is clear. Further dithering merely reduces the utility of ITN to users. Dr Fell (talk) 03:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Further dithering might help prevent another all-too-unfresh grinning Alberto Fujimori situation (inshallah); twelve days of mourning is simply 300% too much. Plus, you've already voted. That's coming on 100% too "strong". InedibleHulk (talk) 03:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  If we turned over a few more of these stories, no-one's face would be hanging around for 12 days. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Well, yeah, but we won't. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I stand corrected. I wouldn't call it a pleasant surprise, seeing two cultural figures of such magnitude photomourned for roughly one day between them. But when choosing between two sad options, less is more. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:14, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb Not infulential enough to have a blurb. High Admiral JMT (talk) 03:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Professor McGonagall is one of her most iconic roles that has influenced one generation, and just like Sean Connery, who was on ITN after his death for his legency on his portrayal of the roles like Bond, Smith should be the same. Unnamelessness (talk) 03:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  If, as you claim, the role of a McGonagall as "influenced one generation", then you should be able to find citations for such a claim and add it to the article. - SchroCat (talk) 04:51, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Well-known "Big-Time Actor etc", Triple Crown, on "all the news pages" at the moment. Good enough for me to thumbs-up a blurb (standard qualifier of article being of suitable quality, all that). Currently most-viewed article on enwp per Wikishark, with #2/3 being bios of people connected to her. Seems like plenty of readers are interested in WP's content relating to this topic currently "in the news", one might say! (I could say much more, but I think I'm saving it for the RfC re: ITN that appears to be a-brewin'.) --Slowking Man (talk) 05:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I may be wrong, but ITNs are not chosen based on pageviews - that particular criteria does not appear anywhere and has been rejected several times when raised (given there's already a link on the MP and given the high volume of traffic, it's an empty argument, as people are getting to the right page anyway). - SchroCat (talk) 06:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I honestly couldn't care less about the minutae of "the criteria". If X best serves the reader public (why we are all here to begin with), then good on it. If X does not, it is a Bad Thing™ and ought to be disregarded and done away with. Slowking Man (talk) 00:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Wikishark seems to undercount the number of views but she's top either way. FYI, here's the official pageviews tool which shows how she compares with other famous deaths this year. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Page views show what has been read, the purpose of ITN is direct people to things we would like them to read. The causal connection runs the wrong way. Please for the love of all that's holy stop citing page views as evidence. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

The page views show the level of interest and coverage. But not everyone follows the news closely and so ITN helps those who may have missed the announcement. And another goal is to "to emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource". This is best done by posting blurbs frequently rather having a static, stale selection. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Aside from the fact her name is already on the front page, with a handy link, over 2 million people found there was to the article without the need for a blurb. I'm not sure people will have missed the news elsewhere and only be able to see it if it's blurbed here... - SchroCat (talk) 09:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Not meaning this in any hostile kind of way, but I sincerely don't get where in WP:ITNPURPOSE the things we would like them to read stuff follows from. The closest-seeming part to me is point 3: To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them. But that only talks about things we think they may take interest in, upon seeing them presented at ITN. (Which already is kind of a problematic matter of us trying to predict readers' desires and interests, since most aren't freely volunteering that information without even being asked.) Also I will note that bullet point #1 is about helping main page visitors get quickly to things "in the news" they might be searching for (I don't know whether this is intended to reflect any kind of "ranking").

A principle always important to note regarding statistics (such as page views) is they only tell you what they measure, not what they don't. It may be that page view figure represents just about everyone in the world who visits enwp semi-regularly and has interest in reading an article about X. It's also possible a bunch more people exist who would be interested if it were more prominently highlighted. You can't know either way based upon that stat. (Somewhat relatedly: "[A] dissatisfied customer does not complain: he just switches." Oliver Beckwith (1947), an adage often referenced by W. Edwards Deming.) Slowking Man (talk) 02:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb This is a good time to remind ourselves who we've blurbed so far this year: Franz Beckenbauer, Sebastián Piñera, Kelvin Kiptum, Brian Mulroney, Akira Toriyama, Peter Higgs, O. J. Simpson, Saulos Chilima, Willie Mays, Nguyễn Phú Trọng, Alberto Fujimori. Notice that they are all men; every single one of them. But the Thatcher-Mandela standard has 50-50 representation of the sexes and so we have some catching up to do. This candidate is clearly blurb-worthy as over two million readers rushed to read the article on the news of the death. That's more than most and more than James Earl Jones too. She therefore a prime candidate. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  We didn't blurb O. J. Simpson certainly. Are you sure we blurbed all others, particularly Brian Mulroney? BilboBeggins (talk) 08:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  We did blurb Simpson (see Wikipedia:In_the_news/Posted/April_2024#April_16) - SchroCat (talk) 09:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Some of them died in unnatural circumstances, some were acting head of states which automatically makes them blurbed if the quality is enough, some were former heads that puts them into consideration.

  I haven't found note on Saulos Chilima talk page that he was blurb, the article is saud to be start class. Was he really mentioned in blurb or it was just crash that was blurbed? By the way, there was Malawi's forner first lady there too. BilboBeggins (talk) 08:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  See Chilima, Simpson, Mulroney. That's three strikes so you're out! Andrew🐉(talk) 13:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb - An actress with a career spanning stage and screen, and multiple generations of viewers, who was awarded at the highest levels multiple times. Her death immediately made the leading headline on the BBC News. GenevieveDEon (talk) 07:54, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

A good source showing illustrious career: "Maggie herself was determined to remind her audience – and to reassure herself – that she had played opposite Olivier, played Hedda Gabler for Ingmar Bergman, made films with John Ford, George Cukor, Joe Mankiewicz"[10] BilboBeggins (talk) 08:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Blurb - I saw a bit of discussion about James Earl Jones earlier in this nomination, asking why he wasn't blurbed but the consensus is leaning towards Maggie Smith getting one. I was one of those people who argued against James Earl Jones being blurbed and I stand by it; JEJ was a popular and highly-esteemed actor but I would argue Smith was a few rungs above him; like JEJ, she was widely known for roles in popular franchises but she was more closely associated with those roles than he was by virtue of them not being voice parts. I am not suggesting voice acting is less important than acting but, from a recognition angle, a lot of people around the world wouldn't recognise James Earl Jones as the actor who voiced Darth Vader and I would suggest many more would be able to identify Maggie Smith as McGonagall and Crawley. Being a recognisable face from something people can stream on Netflix only gets you so far, of course. What is more important is that Smith was one of the very most celebrated and decorated actors of her generation. You only need to look at her lede - two acting Oscars, five BAFTAs, four Emmys, three Golden Globes, a Tony, the BFI fellowship and the Bafta fellowship. She was awarded a CBE in 1970, a higher order than the OBE Judi Dench received that same year, and became a dame way back in 1990. She was consistently high-profile whether working in film, television or the theatre. She qualifies from all directions, in my opinion. When it comes to living actors born in the first half of the 1930s, there aren't many others who I think would qualify - maybe Clint Eastwood, Michael Caine, Judi Dench, Sophia Loren and that's yer lot. Humbledaisy (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Good exposition, thanks. It’s been 24 hours, and in my view consensus is clearly in favor of a blurb. Let’s have an admin step up and do the right thing. Jusdafax (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per all above. Nothing else to add. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb. Outstanding actor, very long career, on stage, silver screen and television, more Triple Crown of Acting awards (Σ(Oscars, Emmies, Tonies)) than anyone else ... ---Sluzzelin talk 15:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Vote Tally By my count, the current tally is 28 votes in support to 16 opposed (just a few votes shy of a 2:1 ratio). I don't think this ratio is likely to significantly change, so a passing admin should probably assess and make a decision. Flip^andFlopped ツ 16:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Consensus is not vote count driven, it is strength of the arguments. Masem (t) 17:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  The best argument for giving Smith a blurb, is to just read the article where all of her accomplishments during an unusually long career are heaped for all to see. We are into day two of this, and this is still front page stuff. [11] [12] [13]. I also agree with Andrew's comment that it's about high time we give another woman an RD blurb. The irony of writing this while reading the top banner on this page (Celebrate Women's Voices: Join the #SheSaid Campaign!) is not lost on me. Cart (talk) 18:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Accomplishments are nice, but that doesn't necessarily equate to being the type of major/great figure in their field; anyone with a long career in entertainment likely will have a similar list of awards. I've commented above that obits and other sources since her death have far more beyond simple accomplishments to flesh a much stronger legacy section to make the blurb case far more sensible since we are giving the reader context for why we are featuring her death. Masem (t) 00:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Exactly my thoughts. I'm finding it really disappointing that there are several people in this discussion who are completely ignoring WP:OTHERSTUFF and opposing purely on the fact that someone else wasn't blurbed. This sort of argument should IMO be considered very weak. 80.42.195.111 (talk) 19:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  That's the stupidest thing ever, why even bother to vote if the votes don't count? Scuba 21:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No one said "votes don't count", but consensus is not determined by vote count. This is one of Wikipedia's tenets, and is further clarified at WP:NHC Consensus is not determined by counting heads or counting votes, nor is it determined by the closer's own views about what action or outcome is most appropriate. The closer is there to judge the consensus of the community, after discarding irrelevant arguments. Natg 19 (talk) 21:14, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb per above. Yes, I'm still salty JEJ wasn't posted, but let's not make that mistake again for someone who very clearly meets the bar. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  There was no reason for a blurb on JEJ. Maggie Smith is significantly better known and more so around the world. Still, I'm neutral on a blurb, I wonder if we're going to blurb Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Merryl Streep, Dustin Hoffman, Clint Eastwood etc.

  I again remind everyone that Alain Delon didn't get an RD. This is clear Anglo Saxon imperialism Varoon2542 (talk) 19:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Smith has a triple handicap when it comes to ITN, wasn't from the US, she's a woman and she's not famous for any sports achievement. Cart (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  James Earl Jones was a male American actor who had a similar amount of notability as Smith & he wasn’t blurbed. Most people who’ve been blurbed in 2024 haven’t been Americans. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Don't forget, never held high natl. elective office/otherwise was a head of state (eg monarch). (As far as I know? Free fanfic idea for the taking there!) Slowking Man (talk) 00:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Delon wasn’t blurbed due to article quality issues. I’d note that Jean-Luc Godard did get a death blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Alain Delon didn't got RD because his article was a mess, filed with unsourced and unnecessary statements. That wasn't due to any "Anglo Saxon imperialism". ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 05:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. A wonderful actress, but she didn't transform the profession. Jheald (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb A high profile actress. ArionStar (talk) 22:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb: I am not against non-politicians getting blurbed, but I just don't feel Maggie Smith has had the same impact in the world of acting/entertainment as other actors who have died recently.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 03:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• @Admins willing to post ITN: Could someone come to a decision whether to blurb or not? BangJan1999 04:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  For those who want the article to be posted I would rather suggest adding more to legacy section, using obits. The Guardian, for instance, provided much cover, but there are also Variety articles. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb—A true icon. Kurtis ^(talk) 11:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - If we had as our RD criteria: transformative of our hearts and minds (and therefore a major figure in their field), then Maggie Smith at the very least should have an RD photo posted here. My autistic son (age 29) had tears in his eyes when he told me about her death as he was frantically texting his mom. That’s how we know that someone deserves a blurb. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 12:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb – The "Legacy" subsection of her article is only a list of awards and accolades, no in-depth analysis of how transformative her work allegedly was. Though Smith may have achieved a higher amount of awards than others, collecting awards is something most high-profile actors/actresses achieve. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  It would help if editors !voting support could provide sources that show that she was transformative. See also Masem's comments above. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Comment - I don’t disagree with your assessment. But the protocol for assessment and approval of an RD/Blurb is flawed. Just look at Fredric Jameson’s RD below before it goes off our board. It was only approved a few hours ago. It’s been Ready (in my opinion) for at least 24 hours. But now we’ve run out of time for a meaningful Blurb discussion. I did not realize Fredric Jameson was a leading and transformative figure in his field until I first edited his page 2 days ago. I think it’s fairly obvious that Jameson should’ve been blurbed based on the criteria you and Masem have pointed out. Unfortunately, I don’t really believe Jameson would’ve had a Blurb approved in any case, whether we had a discussion or not. Did anyone else here read his BLP, and realize he was a transformative figure in his field? I doubt it because it was never mentioned. Not to be cynical here. It’s just the reality here in this forum. For an RD to receive serious Blurb consideration, two things must happen: (1) the person nominated must be well-known to the general public (Jameson is not known to the general public and that explains why his RD was all but ignored), and (2) they must be a leading and transformative figure in their own field, and the BLP article must document that with solid/approved sources, citations, and references. That’s why we need to have a compromise and at the very least approve the RD/photo option which, by-the-way, had solid support on our Talk Page this past summer (check the archives for June, July, and August!: 3 months of discussion before it went stale). Jameson should have his photo posted here, at the very least. Just as Maggie Smith should have her photo posted here, too. Nice work you all, I see a picture was posted. Very savvy! - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 20:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Very strong support blurb, a very iconic actress, who has worked for franchises such as Harry Potter, etc. Article is also good to go. 70.70.59.204 (talk) 19:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Largely agree with Masem. For those citing her work in Harry Potter, is she the protagonist? or anywhere close to that? IIRC, there are ~10 more important characters. The rest of her career is noteworthy too, but I'm not seeing an impact anywhere. I've said before and I'll say again that actors rarely influence other actors' or directors' styles. With JEJ, there's his influence as a trailblazing black actor, but Smith's legacy section is, as has been previously mentioned, just awards. Sincerely, Dilettante 20:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted (or at least, I'm about to post this). I've had a read of the entire discussion and weighed votes by their strengths of argument. Poorly argued cases for and against a blurb are about equal. Apart from a handful of neutral votes, the remaining votes for a blurb far outweigh the opposers. The strongest oppose argument, referred to a number of times, is that the legacy section is merely a list of awards and accolades, but does not show her impact on the acting profession. Editors seem to argue that such impacts exist, it's just not documented in the article. Be that as it may, there is rough consensus to post a blurb. Schwede66 22:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. Also, aren't we publishing the news in order of posting? BilboBeggins (talk) 08:47, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  Kinda feel her news blurb should be atop Hurricane Helene IMO. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 12:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

  No, it should be below. The impact of Hurricane Helene is still being felt. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Clive Everton

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Article: Clive Everton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo Sports ,Daily Express, The Guardian, BBC, World Snooker Tour
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Professional snooker and English billiards player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support. GA article. No problems found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article is currently GA without any CN's or valid orange tags at the moment. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Seems OK. A sad one for me. I must have used his work many hundreds of times to add info to Wikipedia. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support GA article and it has been updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Article seems ready! High Admiral JMT (talk) 13:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:56, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

(On hold until October 1) Shigeru Ishiba / 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election

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Articles: Shigeru Ishiba (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shigeru Ishiba (pictured) wins the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party leadership election and will succeed Fumio Kishida as Prime Minister of Japan. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), Faustino Sojo (talk · give credit), ValenciaThunderbolt (talk · give credit) and ギルディアス156世 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

While this is a party election and Ishiba has not yet taken office, it is the politically significant election and is in the news now. Sandstein 09:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Just a comment that he is expected to take office in four days, so it could be an option to just wait until he is officially Prime Minister. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 10:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking about. Don't we normally blurb things like this once they take office? Plus Ishiba's Personal life section is unsourced so we could take the time until he assumes office to polish up his article. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support once he takes office. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Once Ishiba's article is properly sourced and he becomes PM of Japan on 1 October, we should post this. That's a few days from now on so it'll still be in the news. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially becomes Prime Minister. Tofusaurus (talk) 11:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait per Usual InedibleHulk (talk) 11:13, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Hold until he formally becomes PM This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 11:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Support: Very notable news. I should say wait for him to inaugurate. High Admiral JMT (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. Supporting once he officially becomes the Prime Minister. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially takes the post. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait He has not became Prime Minister yet. LiamKorda 14:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until he officially takes over as Prime Minister. 31.44.224.222 (talk) 17:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until he is officially PM. Scuba 19:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support as soon as he takes office as Prime Minister. 64.114 etc 21:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait until he becomes PM, then very strong support. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:6C6D:3321:DFBB:31D2 (talk) 22:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait. Shigeru Ishiba has not become Prime Minister yet. When he is inaugurated come October 1st, I will also support very strongly. 2605:8D80:325:5E2:4D24:45D6:9490:51F3 (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Sayuri

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Article: Sayuri (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cwek (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Japanese Singer-Songwriter, known for singing the ED themes for several animes notably My Hero Academia and Lycoris Recoil. Death occured on September 20 but news was only released publicly today. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Shocking news but unfortunately, there are too many unsourced sections at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait and Support Wait until more things get sourced. Shocking news though. High Admiral JMT (talk) 07:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready various unsourced statements and might be need to be reedited into paragraphs as most of the article currently consists of one lines. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Almost ready. I've cleaned up the article with more sourcing and better statement organization per the above's input. Now all that's left is to expand the lede and possibly see if more can be translated from the jawiki article. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Now I've addressed both issues and the page should be ready. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Question/Suggestion Is that hikigatari album a studio album? If so, maybe include it with them. This is not an impediment to posting. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  I've renamed the header to "remix album" since it consists of acoustic versions of previously released songs. Also added additional prose to clarify the matter. Harushiga (talk) 04:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  Clarity is cool and additional prose can be; Support. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:47, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article seems much better. High Admiral JMT (talk) 03:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

  You already !voted. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article has been significantly improved; I don't see any major issues that would prevent RD anymore. Link20XX (talk) 05:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

September 26

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 26

September 26, 2024 (2024-09-26) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Lebanese displacement during the Israel–Hezbollah conflict Over 22,000 Lebanese residents have crossed into Syria in order to escape ongoing Israeli bombardment and a potential escalation of the conflict. (Barron's) Two people, including Mohammad Hussein Srour, a senior commander in Hezbollah, are killed and 15 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike in Beirut, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) At least 92 people are killed and 153 others are injured in airstrikes across Lebanon, bringing the total death toll from the airstrikes to more than 700 people. (Al Jazeera) Israel rejects proposals from the United States, Australia, and the European Union to initiate a temporary 21-day ceasefire with Hezbollah. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign The Russian Defense Ministry claims that Russian forces have taken the city of Ukrainsk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (The Moscow Times) United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Prior to a meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, U.S. President Joe Biden announces a military aid package of more than $8 billion for Ukraine and directs The Pentagon to allocate all remaining security funds to Ukraine by the end of his presidential term in January 2025. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The United States grants Israel a $8.7 billion military aid package, with U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin stating that the U.S. will not change its commitment to providing military aid to Israel. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Eight Pakistani Taliban militants are killed in a shootout with soldiers in North Waziristan District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Helene Hurricane Helene makes landfall in Florida, United States, as a Category 4 hurricane, with sustained winds of 140 mph (230 km/h) and a minimum central pressure of 938 millibars. (National Hurricane Center) Tropical storm conditions occur across western Florida, with an automated weather station recording sustained winds of 54 mph (87 km/h) with gusts up to 68 mph (109 km/h) near Tampa Bay. (National Hurricane Center) 2024 India floods 2024 Jivitputrika tragedy At least 46 people, including 37 children, who were taking part in Jivitputrika festivities in Bihar, India, drown in rivers and bodies of water swollen by ongoing flooding across India. (Reuters) Up to 275 mm (10.8 in) of rain falls across Mumbai, India, causing at least four deaths. (Al Arabiya) A bus crashes into a river in Wolaita, Ethiopia, killing 28 people and wounding 19 more. (Barron's) A United States defence official claims that a Chinese nuclear attack submarine, the first of the new Zhou-class, likely sank during construction earlier this year. (ABC News) International relations Algeria–Morocco relations Algeria imposes visa requirements on Moroccans, accusing them of criminal activity in Algeria, including "espionage" and "drug and human trafficking". (Al Arabiya) Law and crime 2024 Lebanon pager explosions Norwegian police issue an international search request for a Norwegian-Indian man linked to the sale of pagers to Hezbollah that exploded last week. (Times of Israel) Capital punishment in the United States The U.S. state of Alabama executes a man via inert gas asphyxiation using nitrogen in the country's second ever execution by this method. (AP) A Mallorcan football fan is sentenced to one year in prison for yelling racist insults at football players Vinícius Júnior and Samuel Chukwueze. (Al Jazeera) Iwao Hakamada, the world's longest-serving death row inmate, is acquitted in Japan following a retrial. (BBC News)

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RD: John Ashton

Article: John Ashton (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

GreatCaesarsGhost 17:10, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose orange tag needs to be resolved. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 17:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joe Wolf

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Article: Joe Wolf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBA.com, AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:189A:8A9A:87CE:E53E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Rikster2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American basketball player and coach. 240F:7A:6253:1:189A:8A9A:87CE:E53E (talk) 12:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there is no information about this life prior to his professional career and that section is almost entirely unsourced. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:48, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Keki N. Daruwalla

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Article: Keki N. Daruwalla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The HinduThe Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian poet.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Due to the usual reason. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 10:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait needs some work, which is currently carried out. Will check out later to see if it is ready. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Still nowhere near good enough. Schwede66 01:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Hurricane Helene makes landfall

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Article: Hurricane Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene (pictured) makes landfall near Perry, Florida, United States, as a category 4 hurricane. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Helene leaves at least 6 people dead across the Southeastern United States.
News source(s): National Hurricane Center
Credits:

• Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)

Now that the hurricane has made landfall before midnight on the 26, it can be here. Three deaths have been confirmed, as well, but I can't find a good-quality source with all three in one, and the death toll will likely become apparent and easier to cite once this gets posted, which it most likely will be. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 03:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• I have added an altblurb that more aligns with tropical cyclone related blurbs. I do believe "Southeastern United States" is worth having in the blurb because a good chunk of this region has felt the impacts of this system. Still would like to wait a tad for more precise impacts to come in, but I do imagine we'll run this eventually. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait and Support I should say wait until the death toll has been confirmed and the hurricane dissipated, but, support. High Admiral JMT (talk) 04:17, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment view closed Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Closed)_Tropical_Storm_Helene_(2024). same nom. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 04:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait, but likely support for altblurb. Very impactful storm that, unfortunately, is already becoming a deadly one. However, we should wait a bit further until impacts become more known, especially given the forecasted rainfall threat inland at time of writing. ArkHyena (talk) 06:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but Support. Much better than the previous nomination (as it was too early). However, I'd wait until the full impact of the hurricane becomes clear. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support I think the article is in a good shape and I think it can be posted now since it has made landfall. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 12:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support Notable storm by sheer size alone. Impact is already apparent, and will only continue to progress over the next 12-24h. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment Updates: Flash Flood emergency issued in Atlanta and insured damage range has now been set between 4 and 6 billion dollars (2024 USD). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Growing death toll and damage assessments make a blurb advisable. Jusdafax (talk) 14:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Support and be ready to update: I think it's already notable enough and will only become more so. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 16:04, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Support article is in good shape and the hurricane is now relevant ITN due to making landfall. Scuba 17:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment Updates: The Lake Lure reservoir in North Carolina is threatened with immediate failure, and per the aggregated total of fatalities on the Helene page, the death toll is now around 30 and likely to continue to rise. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 17:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Scu ba and Kcmastrpc. Flip^andFlopped ツ 19:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 20:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

September 25

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Portal:Current events/2024 September 25

September 25, 2024 (2024-09-25) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict September 2024 Lebanon strikes Hezbollah launches a ballistic missile targeting the Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv, Israel, which is intercepted, while Israel conducts an additional 260 airstrikes across Lebanon, killing at least 72 people. (ABC News) (Al Jazeera) The United States, the European Union, and several other countries call for an immediate 21-day ceasefire along the Blue Line on the Israel–Lebanon border, which has been rejected by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. (Reuters) Sectarian violence in Pakistan, Shia–Sunni relations At least 25 people are killed and dozens are injured in clashes between Shia and Sunni Muslim tribes in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, since September 20. (AP) Business and economy Pakistani economic crisis The International Monetary Fund approves a $7 billion loan for Pakistan to help its economy, with $1 billion being disbursed immediately and the rest in instalments over 37 months. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2024 Argentina wildfires Intense and widespread wildfires in Córdoba Province, Argentina, destroy 40,000 hectares (400 km2) of forests and farmland, including several farm structures, and also kill large numbers of cattle. (Reuters) A blimp promoting Brazil soccer team São Paulo FC crashes into houses in the Brazilian municipality of Osasco, injuring the pilot. (Fox News) International relations Brazil–Ukraine relations, China–Ukraine relations Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accuses Brazil and China of using their proposed peace plan for ending the Russo-Ukrainian War to increase their geopolitical power "at Ukraine's expense" by urging developing nations to agree to the peace plan. (Reuters) Georgia–United States relations The United States withdraws Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze's invitation to attend a summit of national leaders hosted by U.S. President Joe Biden during the ongoing United Nations General Assembly session, and refuses any further delegator meetings with Georgia, due to the "anti-democratic actions, disinformation, and negative rhetoric towards the U.S. and the West" resulting from Georgia's recently-passed foreign agents law. (Reuters) Law and crime Crime in France, Immigration to France The center-right Macron-appointed Barnier government expresses a willingness to work with the far-right National Rally's proposals to strengthen French immigration and crime laws following the murder of a 19-year-old woman in Paris last week. The suspect, who was arrested in Geneva, Switzerland, is a Moroccan convicted rapist who was released from prison this month and was meant to be deported. (Reuters) Criminal investigations into the Eric Adams administration New York Mayor Eric Adams is indicted on federal charges following a corruption investigation, becoming the first mayor of New York City, United States, to face criminal charges while in office. (The New York Times) Four people are killed and two others are critically injured in a shooting spree in Nuoro, Sardinia, Italy. The perpetrator later commits suicide. (ANSA) A man hijacks a Los Angeles Metro Bus in South Los Angeles, California, United States, later killing one of the two passengers. The bus is driven at gunpoint for more than 7 miles (11 km) before the man surrenders to police. (AP) Six people are injured when a bomb explodes in a courthouse in Santa Maria, California, United States. A suspect is later arrested. (CNN) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election, United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson demands that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dismiss Ukrainian ambassador to the United States Oksana Markarova after Zelenskyy visited an ammunition factory in Pennsylvania with several Democratic politicians, which Johnson claims represented foreign electoral intervention. (Reuters) Cross-strait relations The Japanese Navy sends a warship into the Taiwan Strait for the first time to reportedly "convey a message" to China, according to Japanese newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun. (DW) German Green Party leaders Omid Nouripour and Ricarda Lang state that they will step down following significant defeats in recent elections including the 2024 Brandenburg state election. (The Guardian) Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau survives a no-confidence vote by a vote of 211–119. (BBC News)

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RD: William Lucy (labor leader)

Article: William Lucy (labor leader) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://aflcio.org/press/releases/labor-movement-celebrates-extraordinary-life-and-career-bill-lucy
Credits:

• Updated by RedAuburn (talk · give credit) and Connormah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American trade union leader. 18:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs a good copyedit to remove close paraphrasing; Earwig is showing 48% for good reason. Schwede66 21:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dick Caine

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Article: Dick Caine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://swimswam.com/australian-hall-of-fame-swim-coach-dick-caine-charged-in-sexual-abuse-allegations/
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian Olympic swimming coach and convicted sex offender. 18:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose More than half of the content is about his child sex offences and that violates WP:BLPBALANCE in my books. His bio would have to be expanded quite a bit to address that. As it stands, it's almost an attack page. If there's nothing else to say about him, then it's simply not main page worthy. Schwede66 21:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Tropical Storm Helene (2024)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting on Caribbean Sea. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Helene (2024) (pictured) currently hitting in Caribbean Sea.
News source(s): [14] [15] [16]
Credits:

• Nominated by TyphoonAmpil (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 2024 Atlantic storm. Lowest pressure is 979. Category 3 Hurricane on September 27 †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - Tools) 13:06, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Can we wait until there's actual estimates of damage/casualties? Why this frantic hurry to be the first to nominate something? Way too premature. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose and close WP:CRYSTALBALL. Renominate once this actually impacts land, once deaths / injuries or damage becomes clear. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Wait. Right now is absolutely not an appropriate time to post this, as Helene's impacts have (so far) been relatively limited and minimal. This may or may not change upon its eventual landfall on the U.S. Gulf Coast, but this is no guarantee of an exceptionally impactful storm yet. ArkHyena (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Wait as with every single storm that is proposed to ITN, the proposer consistently adds it before it's notable. I feel like we should establish some sort of criteria for when to post these, such as when they make landfall, or when they cause significant casualties, but that's beyond the scope of this proposal. Scuba 16:58, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy close. Way too early to nominate such an article before any real impacts have occurred. I'd support closing this nom and waiting to renominate when impacts actually occur. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy close Way too early to nominate this, and waste of editors time. Check back in a few days. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:33, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Both "hitting on" and "hitting in" are awkward to use in this context. Hitting on (at least in the U.S.) is a synonym of flirting. Hitting in, on the other hand, I have never heard of the term "hitting in" before, the closest term "hit in" means to target or set a bounty. TansoShoshen (talk) 17:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hitting on is more related to sexual harassment I'd think these days. Nfitz (talk) 19:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and re-educate nominator that we don't need to post every time it rains (and speaking of which, isn't the unexpected collapse of the Saharan high which has very much diminished the current North Atlantic storm season more notable, though much less in the news). Nfitz (talk) 19:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
• Reminder WP:BITE; some of these comments are unnecessarily harsh, there's no need to do anything other than clearly state your case, without lambasting the nominator: WP:ASSUMEGOODFAITH. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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