Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Watermelon steak

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The keep side have made a meritorious argument that the subject has been the subject of sufficient coverage and the main disagreement here, whether or not to merge the content with the main watermelon article, is an issue for the talkpage. Sjakkalle (Check!) 17:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Watermelon steak

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Yes, you can grill watermelon, as a couple of recipes sampled here attest. Unfortunately, grilled corn, grilled salmon, grilled steak and such do not exist. (And now I'm hungry.) What we have here is one, at most two, sentences for watermelon. SummerPhD (talk) 21:57, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect into Watermelon - Redirect this baby into Watermelon, and then sum up the information in a couple of sentences. This does not require a stand alone article, but it also does not deserve to be deleted into oblivion. Marcusmax(speak) 05:09, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I agree! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:24, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

• Merge to Watermelon. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
• Strong keep There's abundant coverage of watermelon steaks in the reliable sources. This is too important a topic for us to lose focus with a merge. Not sure why theres comparison to 'grilled salmon' , 'grilled steak' etc. Like any other steak, watermelon steak can be fried, roasted or baked - it's quite a broad class of food. When baked it has an interesting fish like texture. There's even receipies out there for uncooked watermelon steak. FeydHuxtable (talk) 06:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
• Delete (or, sure, redirect). Sorry FeydHuxtable, but I'm not feeling you--I assume your last comment, on uncooked watermelon steak (which is, therefore, a slice of watermelon) is a joke appropriate to the summer atmosphere on Wikipedia. So if you don't like those examples, would you support Grilled peach, Grilled cantaloupe, Grilled iceberg lettuce? All are delicious. (A case can be made for Grilled salad, of course--which is much more than one single ingredient thrown on a grill.) Drmies (talk) 15:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
• Delete and Merge - The article is about a way to prepare watermelon, so merge it to that article. While this may have been covered in the press recently (I recall seeing a couple of articles), these articles do not have the required depth needed to establish the article as a standalone subject. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 18:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
• Keep: The nomination implies that an article on the particular presentation of a food cannot be notable, which seems a great slight to the noble watermelon so close to National (US) Watermelon Day, and especially to the culinary delight known as watermelon steak, also called watermelon steak "au poivre" in some locales among the well to do. Shall we merge bacon into pig? Not without the internet exploding! Or steak into beef? What about steak au poivre itself? Or grilled pizza, deep-fried pizza and deep-fried Mars bar? Nay, whether watermelon steak is sufficiently notable to merit a standalone article is a question that requires investigation. Many thousands have read this article (and the one on the Persian wikipedia) without complaint since its creation close to eight years ago, and also since I rejected a prod almost four years ago. I believe that watermelon steak does cross the threshold into notability; I don't discount the argument that a merge may be an appropriate outcome as well. But, in all events, do not prejudge watermelon steak, carnivores.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:42, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
• Redirect and Merge into Watermelon It's a different presentation of the fruit than the uncooked version, so it's at least worth noting in the Watermelon article. (COI notice: I took the photo posted on Commons, but I can't tell you how it tastes as that would be original research). Geoff ^{Who, me?} 21:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
• Note There is a Fish steak article, so by the same token, in my opinion, it would be sensible to have a Fried fruit or Fruit preparation or some such article (and note Dried fruit). Anarchangel (talk) 00:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Other articles exist. Some are good, some are bad, and some are ugly. Fish steak isn't particularly good, IMO. Whether or not "fish steak" (a particular cut of fish) is notable really doesn't say whether this method of cooking a fruit is notable. As for dried fruit -- whose goodness, badness or ugliness is a whole other kettle of fish -- note that we do not have dried watermelon or grilled fruit. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:02, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Davey2010 • (talk) 10:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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• Merge into watermelon, perhaps under sub-section Watermelon Recipes/ Watermelon Dishes / Cooking with Watermelon. No way Watermelon Steak needs an article of its own. AdventurousMe (talk) 13:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to Watermelon - Doesn't require a standalone article. United States Man (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
• Keep I'm not seeing a reason to delete in the nomination, just some bizarre WP:OSE red links. Is the nominator seriously saying that grilled beef steak is not notable too? Andrew (talk) 08:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• I am saying there is not sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources to write a reasonably detailed article on this subject. If grilled watermelon/grilled watermelon steak/watermelon steak (or, as suggested above, watermelon steak tartare...) is notable, we need significant coverage in reliable sources to maintain a separate article. Otherwise, we have a sentence or two for Watermelon and a redirect. (Grilled beefsteak? Steak is the main article, with daughter articles for various cuts of beef. I am unaware of any notable cuts of watermelon. The handful of steak cuts I checked did not seem to have daughter articles for various cooking methods for the individual cuts. Instead, they have links for "grilling" and "broiling" (both leading to Grilling).) - SummerPhD (talk) 12:49, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Keep and strong oppose to merging, sufficient coverage in reliable sources to justify the stub. A correct target for merging would be an article about watermelon-based dishes, merging this stub into the watermelon article would be in my view a book-case of undue weight. Cavarrone 12:57, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• No one has suggested merging all of the cookbook material to Watermelon. Wikipedia is not a cookbook. I don't see sufficient material here to in any way create a neutrality problem (as your link to WP:UNDUE seem to imply). Most editors commenting here seem to be seeing a couple of sentences. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Even if a couple of sentences about "Watermelon steak", at least in the Watermelon article's current form, would be undue weight as well (no apparent reason to cover this specific dish against others). This merging proposal is actually nonsense IMHO, typical patch worse than the hole. Cavarrone 16:06, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

• Merge -i see no reason for all of this debate. This subject should at best be merged into the Watermelon article under various ways to prepare or uses for watermelon. sorry guys but this seems a no-brainer to me.--Canyouhearmenow 12:27, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable subject. I am opposed to a merge.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:33, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.