Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seppala Siberian Sleddog
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. The Bushranger One ping only 01:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[]
Seppala Siberian Sleddog[edit]
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Fails WP:N, only mention of the breed in anything approaching secondary and reliable is a passing mention here TKK bark ! 16:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. PKT(alk) 16:43, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[]
- I contested the proposed deletion because this appears to be one of those little-known "rare" breeds that exist but few have heard of. I thought the article/breed should have a bit of discussion before the article is deleted. PKT(alk) 13:26, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organisms-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 16:48, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Theopolisme (talk) 20:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LlamaAl (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- Keep - HERE'S A LINK to an article on the breed by Tatiana Siniukina on the dog site konura.info. Carrite (talk) 02:19, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- The above lists the breed in Russian as Сибирская ездовая собака = Siberian Sled Dog. The article indicates it is a working breed, not a show breed, originated in Canada. Carrite (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2013 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- A Google search for that Russian name returns a whole bunch of results... Wikipedia has an article for Siberian Husky, but that is very clearly a different breed. Carrite (talk) 02:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- ANOTHER GOOD LINK, this to the International Seppala Siberian Sleddog Club, with copius information on subpages. This, combined with the publications in footnotes, make this a clear keep under the General Notability Guideline, which calls for substantial coverage in multiple, independently published sources. Carrite (talk) 02:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- This site SEPPALA KENNELS calls it a "strain" and intimates that they were the leaders of a movement which tried for 20 years to gain recognition as a breed. The fact that they were not successful does not mean that this is not an encyclopedic topic, however — only that this part of the story ended without success. Whether one calls it a "breed" or a "strain," there are sufficient sources for a stand-alone article... Carrite (talk) 02:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- The private kennel site is not a reliable source, and I believe we've established in discussion on WikiProject Dogs that breed clubs are only reliable if they're recognized by an external organization greater than themselves (i.e. a poodle breed club is reliable if it's recognized by the german kennel club or the united kennel club or the akc or w/e but it's unreliable if it's not.) Either way, they don't establish notability because neither of them is independent. None of the sources currently in the article are independent, either - they are all directly associated with the breed club or private kennels; one of them is a link to a wiki (which is not a reliable source by any means). That russian site looks to me like a russian varient of DogBreedInfo, which is not reliable by a long shot, but as I don't speak the language I can't say for sure. --TKK bark ! 03:44, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- There are reliable sources beyond the kennel source, that is just mentioned to be of use if someone wants to flesh out the piece. WikiProject Dogs may have an IDONTLIKEIT attitude towards pieces on types of dogs outside the "officially recognized" breeds, but GNG trumps any Special Notability Guideline for Dogs. The sources are out there, the Russian Konura is a magazine, the existence of a club plus sources showing already in the footnotes is sufficient for a GNG pass, in my opinion. Carrite (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- The private kennel site is not a reliable source, and I believe we've established in discussion on WikiProject Dogs that breed clubs are only reliable if they're recognized by an external organization greater than themselves (i.e. a poodle breed club is reliable if it's recognized by the german kennel club or the united kennel club or the akc or w/e but it's unreliable if it's not.) Either way, they don't establish notability because neither of them is independent. None of the sources currently in the article are independent, either - they are all directly associated with the breed club or private kennels; one of them is a link to a wiki (which is not a reliable source by any means). That russian site looks to me like a russian varient of DogBreedInfo, which is not reliable by a long shot, but as I don't speak the language I can't say for sure. --TKK bark ! 03:44, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- This site SEPPALA KENNELS calls it a "strain" and intimates that they were the leaders of a movement which tried for 20 years to gain recognition as a breed. The fact that they were not successful does not mean that this is not an encyclopedic topic, however — only that this part of the story ended without success. Whether one calls it a "breed" or a "strain," there are sufficient sources for a stand-alone article... Carrite (talk) 02:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- ANOTHER GOOD LINK, this to the International Seppala Siberian Sleddog Club, with copius information on subpages. This, combined with the publications in footnotes, make this a clear keep under the General Notability Guideline, which calls for substantial coverage in multiple, independently published sources. Carrite (talk) 02:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- A Google search for that Russian name returns a whole bunch of results... Wikipedia has an article for Siberian Husky, but that is very clearly a different breed. Carrite (talk) 02:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- The above lists the breed in Russian as Сибирская ездовая собака = Siberian Sled Dog. The article indicates it is a working breed, not a show breed, originated in Canada. Carrite (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2013 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)[]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.