Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Christian heresies

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:54, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

List of Christian heresies

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The idea of heresy (strongly wrong opinion) requires an orthodoxy. The vision of what the orthodoxy is depends on the denomination you ask. Some Protestants today are Iconoclasts, others are Modalists, etc. While there is a concept of heresy within most of Christendom, making a list of all heresies for the whole Christendom is impossible and biased.

Therefore, I think this page shoud be deleted. Veverve (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep and rename: List of Christian doctrinal disputes/doctrinal differences/interminable arguments/rationales for schisms or something like that. Arguing about subtle points of theology has been part of Christianity since the beginning. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:46, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  Arguing about subtle points of theology has been part of Christianity since the beginning: I agree and this is not what I am arguing against. Veverve (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:12, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep This is a reasonably well cited list, and NPOV doesn't require us to exercise editorial control over what is or is not a heresy--we rely on RS'es to do that. The list as it stands now is a pretty fair representation of things considered heretical throughout Christendom. Obviously, that's not going to be universal, but it needn't be: What do a preponderance of RS'es call heresies? Jclemens (talk) 21:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  I'll also note that the list is limited to notable heresies with their own articles. Jclemens (talk) 21:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. There was a uniform orthodoxy until the Catholic/Orthodox split and with the exception of the last entry, the article deals only with those “classic” heresies. Later on the question becomes much more complex but the article wisely steers clear of these times. As noted above, all of the heresies listed are notable in their own right. Mccapra (talk) 22:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  There was a uniform orthodoxy until the Catholic/Orthodox split: this is a clear POV (that includes the Great Church canard), see Diversity in early Christian theology. Veverve (talk) 22:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  the article wisely steers clear of these times: just now the 17th-century Jansenism was added by the article creator. Veverve (talk) 03:41, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Mccapra: The article is now heading to be a compilation of every belief that any Christian denomination considers a heresy (e.g. Papism). Veverve (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

• Keep The POV of the list does not refer to any specific denomination. This list includes theological arguments that have been classified as heresies by major Christian denominations (Catholic, Orthodox and mainline Protestant) at some point. For example, Iconoclasm, a doctrine held by some Protestant denominations, was condemned as heresy by the Second Council of Nicaea, which makes it eligible for inclusion on the list.

Exanx777 (talk) 04:29, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• Keep Just rename it List of Catholic heresies, if not all Christians believe these are heresies. Or have a column added showing which religions consider it heresy. Dream Focus 04:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

  @Dream Focus: it already exists as List of heresies in the Catholic Church. Veverve (talk) 05:23, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• Keep The article already organizes heresies by what churches consider them to be so. WP:NPOV is conserved and this motion has little meaning. TangoFett (talk) 03:16, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

• Strongly keep The article is useful, thorough, well cited and is a good Wikipedia gateway. The original justification for deleting this (which seems to be that to list something as a heresy is to positively state it is a heresy) does not hold water, because the list specifically has a column disclosing which churches hold the view as heresy. (That user has made a number of edits and deletions before retiring a few days ago.)Rick Jelliffe (talk) 00:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.