Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kosovo in the Eurovision Song Contest

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep non-admin closure ——Ryan | t • c 06:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-admin close endorsed. --jonny-mt 08:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Kosovo in the Eurovision Song Contest

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Contested prod. Article is about a possible entry into the Eurovision song contest, and thus violates WP:CRYSTAL. There is one source listed, which states that the broadcaster would like to enter, but isn't sure if it is eligible.TN‑X-Man 11:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

• Strong Keep As RBK has stated that they wish to enter Kosovo for the 2009 Eurovison. Even if Kosovo does not gain EBU membership, this is still encyclopedic information. This article should be listed as a stub. Ijanderson977 (talk) 11:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, fails future events policy as Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place and this event is not almost certain.  Atyndall93 | talk  11:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

• Strongly Keep. The likelihood of Kosovo joining the 2009 contest is much higher than say Scotland, Liechtenstein or other countries awaiting their big moment. One recalls Montenegro, which split from Serbia & Montenegro two years ago (and fairly acrimoniously at the time), but already one year later were competing in the 2008 song contest (as they did this year too) and of course getting 12 points from Serbia. The likelihood of Kosovo taking part next year is almost a given: the EBU has already said that Kosovo is eligible, but they haven't yet applied. They will certainly do so. Whether or not other countries will then withdraw in protest remains to be seen. However, whereas there is a relatively strong reason for deleting the Scotland in the Eurovision article (although I would prefer Scotland be listed instead in a new article on countries with aspirations of joining, including Liechtenstein, who are currently ineligible because they do not have their own TV channel, in spite of trying to join twice before). San Marino joined this year for the first time, so who knows... I think the consensus is that Kosovo WILL join, or that they will try and join and this will cause an international furore with some countries threatening to leave. In either case, having an article on Kosovo's currently potential inclusion is useful and valid, and therefore should not be deleted.Tris2000 (talk) 15:00, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep -- The article is sourced an is not guesswork. The afd is not comparable to its Scottish equivalent above. --Cameron (T|C) 15:27, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment TN‑X-Man said there was only one source saying that the broadcaster would like to enter, there are now three sources. This is an increase of certainty. Ijanderson977 (talk) 15:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep No crystal work here; is a decent stub with verifiable info. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 16:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Clearly going to make a bid for EBU status and an entry into the 2009 ESC. 90.209.255.78 (talk) 21:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC) (TheProf07)
• Keep Its not written as a crystal ball and the information is verifiable. Its reasonably notable too. Artene50 (talk) 04:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Please note that Kosovo has been removed from possible Eurovision Song Contest 2009 debuts by Avala (talk · contribs) with reasoning given at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2009#Official membership criteria. Camaron | Chris (talk) 11:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 19:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment - Re above comment from Camaron | Chris, I've noticed that Avala is the admin of the Serbian wiki, and therefore there could be a conflict of interests here. The consensus is to keep the Kosovo in the Eurovision Song Contest page, and I would recommend that assuming this goes ahead that it then becomes protected, as it is likely to become a polemic subject.Tris2000 (talk) 19:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete because it's speculation. Under current EBU rules only Council of Europe members can join + countries from North Africa and Middle East that fall into some UN broadcast area (and Kosovo is not CoE or UN member).--Avala (talk) 20:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: I'm not sure Avala is right. This map shows the three main regions of the ITU (the EBA is part of Region 1), and judging by the definition of the European Broadcasting Area in its own article Kosovo falls well within it. From what I can see, the EBA is a geographical area, and whether or not Kosovo is recognised by the UN has little or nothing to do with whether it is part of it. I could be wrong, though. Chwech 21:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
• comment There may be a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT going on here Ijanderson977 (talk) 22:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • You are inconsistent. You voted for deletion of the Scotland in the Eurovision Song Contest which is the same thing as this article - speculation.--Avala (talk) 14:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thats because Scotland is entering Eurovison as the UK. Therefore that article is not needed. Ijanderson977 (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep This shouldn't get into a debate about Kosovo's independence. However, as majority of European countries recognize its independence (Image:CountriesRecognizingKosovo.png), it is potentially a future member of EBU. Keep the article as reference --Kimse (talk) 00:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Notable and well sourced. Europe22 (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.