Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julio Cesar Giraldo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ignoring a comment by a blocked sock, there is not consensus about whether the sources provided are sufficient for notability. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:05, 12 October 2020 (UTC)[]

Julio Cesar Giraldo

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Does not seem to meet WP:RUGBY notability criteria. Has not performed in professional league or a high performance national side. Currently plays for Major League Rugby which is not a fully professional league. Has a history of performing in several amateur rugby clubs. Nearlyevil665 (talk) 02:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. ~ Amkgp 💬 02:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Rugby union-related deletion discussions. ~ Amkgp 💬 02:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. ~ Amkgp 💬 02:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[]

Comment. The article on Major League Rugby says in the first sentence that it is a professional rugby union competition and the top-level championship for clubs in North America. So, unless the lede of that article is completely false, Giraldo does indeed play in a professional league. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 04:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[]

Major League Rugby is not a fully professional league as per WP:RUGBY. Professional rugby union competition ≠ fully professional league. Nearlyevil665 (talk) 05:45, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[]

Weak oppose. Doesn't qualify for WP:NRU as Major League Rugby isn't listed as a notable league (is professional, but doesn't get enough coverage to qualify it as notable yet) and hasn't played in any other professional competition or internationally. However, there is one source that might qualify it for WP:GNG and from a google search there appears to be more sources, so if these can be added to the article I think it'd just qualify. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 12:20, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[]
Rugbyfan22, Could you clarify what "oppose" means. Are you opposing the AfD? Are you opposing keeping the article? The terms we use at AfD are generally "keep" or "delete". -- RoySmith (talk) 12:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 12:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Weak keep. Apologies, used to doing page moves instead of AfDs. My points as above though. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Keep A known Rugby player. passes GNG. INDIAN DUGS (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[]
- Comment. Known by whom? Could you be more specific of any references we might be unaware of that may establish WP:GNG. Nearlyevil665 (talk) 08:39, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[]
  - Comment. Believe the following articles are just about enough to qualify it for WP:GNG, 1, 2, it's very much a weak keep though as I've suggested. Both are now in the article, but incorrectly referenced. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[]
    - Comment: Thank you for the links. My two cents on those is as following: the first link is an interview with the subject, which is a poor source to establish notability or significance. The second is an article on the subject's transfer to a new club, which is by all means not a passing mention, but it is very casual and ordinary for transfer news on non-notable rugby players to be posted on rugby news portals. I stand by my conviction that this fails WP:NRU and WP:GNG as there are no multiple independent sources (except for maybe the second article you've linked to, but that's just one source) to denote notability or significance. Nearlyevil665 (talk) 20:53, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Keep. He has garnered coverage in both English-language and Spanish-language sources, and therefore meets WP:GNG. He is a bit of a trailblazer as the first Colombian to play professionally in MLR, which is probably why the level of coverage exists. The article could use improvement, though, although that's a different topic than AfD, and I've added a few references just now to improve the article. CUA 27 (talk) 14:02, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 03:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Keep - article needs an info box and more work really, but feel he just meets the criteria to be retained with the coverage included in the article.Skeene88 (talk) 13:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Weak delete. He has just recently joined Rugby United New York, so I see a spark of WP:TOOSOON here. There is very little coverage on the subject, so in this case I believe not meeting the WP:GNG takes precedence over WP:NRU. Walwal20 ^{talk ▾ contribs} 03:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[]
- Comment. Player does not qualify for WP:NRU anyway. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 17:05, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ─ The Aafī (^talk) 09:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[]

Comment: I have added more material and sources. References in the article now include: Americas Rugby News, El Colombiano, ESPN Deportes, DJ Coil Rugby, El Nuevo Siglo, Colombia Sports, El Universal. In my view, the suggestion by the nominator to delete the article because "there are no multiple independent sources ... to denote notability or significance" is simply not consistent with the facts here. CUA 27 (talk) 13:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[]

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