Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2022 Indianapolis 500

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The result was redirect to 2022 IndyCar Series – bearing in mind that redirects are easily reversed and the article is currently entirely unsourced. – Joe (talk) 08:40, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

2022 Indianapolis 500

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This fails WP:SIGCOV and GNG Yaxı Hökmdarz (talk) 06:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:19, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

• Keep. Yes, unless public health reasons keep it from happening, there will be a 2022 Indianapolis 500. The article could be draftified, but I would prefer to keep it in article space until more information becomes available. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:59, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Keep. As would I, and of course the article does need to have some external references. Rillington (talk) 17:06, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:CRYSTAL - scheduled future event almost certain to take place. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 18:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Keep As CRYSTAL; the 2020 edition was held without fans, so they would likely do the same (or delayed) if the health situation worsened. Nate • (chatter) 22:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
• Redirect to 2022 IndyCar Series - WP:TOOSOON. The article is completely unsourced. While it can be reasonably established that barring some unforeseen catastrophic event there almost certainly will be an Indianapolis 500 in 2022, it's dubious that any other details can be established at such a date. How are we supposed to know who the commentators will be or who will give the starting command? That clearly fails WP:CRYSTAL. Given how major an event it is I think there is an argument for making an article in advance, but it can wait until the 2022 IndyCar Series has actually started and more sourcing will be available. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:59, 10 September 2021 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
• Delete - WP:TOOSOON. "almost certain to take place" is not a sufficent reason to keep an article if there is a lack of secondary sources that discuss the event. The closest thing I could find are ticket sales. Regardless of whether the event happens or not, it will have an article one day but - with the race not due to take place for another 10 months - this event is not suffciently notable for an article at this time. Clearly fails WP:SIGCOV. SSSB (talk) 11:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
• Keep: I'm in disagreeance with the above two !voters' interpretation of WP:CRYSTAL per criteria #1. This event is less than a year away. There is already speculation ([1][2][3]) and presumably planning. Passes the criteria established at WP:CRYSTAL. Curbon7 (talk) 22:23, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

  I don't understand how you can argue that speculation and presumed planning mean that something passes WP:CRYSTAL. It's unlikely that this subject will gain independent notability from either the Indianapolis 500 article or the 2022 IndyCar Series article until entry lists have actually been released for the event. We don't need a separate article from the general Indy 500 article to tell us that future Indy 500s will be run over 200 laps of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway on the last Sunday of May. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

• Source 1 is speculation on the grid, so yes, it does cover the '22 Indy 500, but I do not believe it asserts notability. Source 2 is coverage of Johnson, not of the Indy 500, and is clearly not significant coverage. Source 2 is coverage of Carlin, not of the Indy 500, and is clearly not significant coverage. Together, they are not enough to demonstrate notability as required by WP:GNG. I also agree with HumanBodyPiloter5 that speculation and planning alone do not meet the criteria set out in WP:CRYSTAL.
  5225_C (talk • contributions) 12:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• Redirect to 2022 IndyCar Series. There are two non-ticketing results on the first two pages of a Google search for the article title. The 'speculation' claimed to exist and linked above seems to be in the form of calendar and grid speculation, not specific coverage of the event that would warrant an independent article. The first criterion of CRYSTAL states quite clearly that the event must be notable and almost certain to take place. While the second condition is debatable (commenters above are speculating quite optimistically), the 2022 Indy 500 unambiguously fails WP:GNG.
  5225_C (talk • contributions) 12:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
• Redirect to 2022 IndyCar Series per above.4meter4 (talk) 20:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.