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Firstfruits

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Sustained, independent coverage in one article. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SUSTAINED. Longhornsg (talk) 21:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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FASCIA (database)

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Delete or merge into National Security Agency. One of many databases used by the security agency. Fails WP:SUSTAINED and independent notability as a database separate from its use by the NSA and its inclusion in the global surveillance disclosures. Longhornsg (talk) 21:02, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Billy Pinnell

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This fails WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. An article about a non notable sports journalist that died in the 1970s, which the article is strangely written like the person knew them. Doesn't seem much is readily available, if there is any, about them unless someone has access to old British Newspapers. GamerPro64 04:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: No available online sources at this time to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV and meet WP:GNG. Prof.PMarini (talk) 05:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[]

Shivendra Singh Chauhan

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Non-notable Indian journalist. Seems to be an autobiography. XabqEfdg (talk) 15:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: Doesn't pass WP:NJOURNALIST as it is. I couldn't find sources to change that. Rkieferbaum (talk) 20:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete: Medium, Soundcloud and a few other websites that don't seem to relate to this individual. I'm not seeing notability with the sources given, nor can I find any we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 22:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Erel Segal

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Fails WP:JOURNALIST, WP:GNG. No WP:SIGCOV, just dummy articles! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep - a very well known and prominent journalist. The article has over a dozen sources, and I will shortly add more Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 20:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Kentucky Rain24, can you share your WP:THREE please? Journalists are among the hardest to research. gidonb (talk) 13:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

this provides an in depth look at Segal's political views and places them in the context of Israeli right wing media, and indicates notability beyond Israeli media
this is a lengthy, in-depth interview dedicated to Segal, in Israel's highest circulation mainstream newspaper. This alone satisfies WP:SIGCOV.
this provides English language coverage of a notable controversy he was involved with, showing notability beyond Israel (DW is a German broadcaster)

Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

#2 and #3 are not independent. BuzzFeed isn't very good but the journalist who wrote #1 is. gidonb (talk) 16:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Buzzfeed News is rated "green" and reliable on WP:RSNP. Why you'd think that ynet and deutsche welle are not independent of Segal is beyond me. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 16:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

The problem is that these are interviews, quoted content, and shared sexism in a tv-show. Not independent content or SIGCOV. These media are actually good. Buzzfeed is acceptable because of the author. gidonb (talk) 16:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

I think you are misreading the defintion of "independent" - ""Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent."- an interview with Segal is not produced by him but by the paper and journalist interviewing him.

Regardless, while the DW article includes a very short quote from Segal, it is neither an interview nor focused on that quote. Instead, it describes the controversy Segal was involved with, with other 3rd parties commenting about Segal. Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

I'll take another look and weigh again how much is independent content about Segal. Not ruling out any conclusion yet. gidonb (talk) 17:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: There's coverage that mentions him, such as the DW article, but these aren't about this person. This [1] also mentions him, but just barely as the article talks about his employer. We don't have enough substantial coverage to keep the article Oaktree b (talk) 03:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I don;t think that "mentions him, but just barely " is a fair assessment of [2] - the article is about an event in which he is the main subject - his employer suspended him for something he did. He is the subject of both the headline and the sub-headline, he is the main topic of the first and second paragraphs ("The Kan public broadcasting corporation on Thursday suspended one of its anchors because he appeared in a video"; "News presenter Erel Segal was suspended, pending further notice, after the video was uploaded to Netanyahu’s Twitter account earlier Thursday."), he is mentioned in the 3rd and 4th paragraphs and is the subject of the 5th, there's a quote from the PM of Israel about him etc... Kentucky Rain24 (talk) 14:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep. A very well-known journalist in Israel, and there are many sources for this. In addition, he is also a writer (2 books) and a musician. (Full disclosure: I wrote the article). HaOfa (talk) 09:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Jonathan Charles

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE on this article about a journalist and added three references. Two are not independent, however, and the other is a passing mention. I don't think he meets WP:GNG or WP:NJOURNALIST. The article has been marked as possibly not notable since 2020. Tacyarg (talk) 22:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Comment: Have now added the archive of his BBC profile, but don't think that changes notability status. Tacyarg (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Kanchan Gupta

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Non notable journalist, articles depend on totally one reference, fails WP:GNG. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: the article relies almost entirely on one source, and therefore fails General notability guideline. EncyclopediaEditorXIV (talk) 18:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion.
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Keep: Coupled with the source in the article, I found some reliable ones online (here (this one is the most reliable), here, and here) which is therefore enough to establish WP:NBIO. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 12:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete as fails WP:GNG. All three sources mentioned by Cocobb8 are just about Gupta's appointment as "the chairperson of the Raja Rammohun Roy Library Foundation" only. The Hindu, though notable media, wrote only "A senior journalist, Mr. Gupta was associated with the first NDA government, having worked in the PMO of Atal Bihari Vajpayee.", as addition to the announcement which is not enough for WP:NBIO. Twinkle1990 (talk) 14:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Twinkle1990, The Hindu wrote at least 2 paragraphs. How is that not WP:SIGCOV? Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Cocobb8 please quote what were in those two paragraphs. I don't see any anything beyond mention. If you see, please enligten us. Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Twinkle1990 Well I won't quote that much because that would constitute a copyright violation. But, here's the very first sentence of the article. The Union Culture Ministry has appointed journalist Kanchan Gupta the chairperson of the Raja Rammohun Roy Library Foundation till May 2020, weeks after Union Culture and Tourism Minister of State (independent charge) Prahlad Singh Patel was nominated to the post.
At this point, I'll leave it to other editors to share their thoughts with this article. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 21:42, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete Per nom. M S Hassan (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Katherine Salant

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WP:MILL journalist, does not fulfill WP:NJOURNALIST criteria. Broc (talk) 21:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep: Enough coverage of her books to pass AUTHOR [3], [4], [5] Oaktree b (talk) 22:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep: The article meets the notability criteria for authors. The information is well-sourced and relevant to our readers. I vote to keep it. Waqar💬 16:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Iwaqarhashmi please look at WP:!VOTE, AfD discussions are not polls. Broc (talk) 15:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]

*Keep Sources provided by Oaktree b above are sufficient to satisfy ~~WP:AUTHOR. Sal2100 (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2024 (UTC)~~[]

@Sal2100 Per WP:NAUTHOR The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. So far I see one independent review posted by Oaktree b, and there is one extremely short blurb in Publisher's Weekly as mentioned below. No other independent reviews have been found, so I wonder how you think the criterion is fulfilled? Broc (talk) 15:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete Changing from previous !vote after re-evaluation based on Broc's comments immediately above. Sal2100 (talk) 20:12, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete My main concerns are 1) that there are no independent sources and 2) I cannot find any sources for the awards. The Houston Chronicle source on the last one does not verify that award. One book got a review in Publishers' Weekly but that isn't really enough. Lamona (talk) 02:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]
@Oaktree b pointed out some additional coverage above, of which one is an independent review in a published source. The other two are coverage of her books in newspapers for which she writes/wrote. Two reviews for a book are in my opinion far from sufficient to fulfill WP:NAUTHOR. Broc (talk) 15:07, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[]
I would be more enthused if those reviews were in major publications. The Gadsden Times and Sarasota Herald-Tribune don't impress me. And the Lodi review says: "...I have never encountered a book as hard to read as this one" and goes on to pan the book in other aspects. So, no, I don't think these sources are sufficient. And may I say that there is nothing in the policies that says: any 2 reviews = author notability. First, reviews can be negative, so we should read them and not just count them. Then, there is a matter of IMPORT. The actual policy criteria at WP:AUTHOR are pretty intense - but they come down to the question of whether the person has made a significant contribution to a field of study or an area of art, and whether there is evidence that the contribution is recognized by peers. Writing two books on how to buy and sell property - books that do not appear to have gotten national attention - doesn't rise to that level, IMO. Lamona (talk) 05:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Sajjala Ramakrishna Reddy

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Notabillity issue. Thewikizoomer (talk) 18:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Care to specify, how is this individual not meeting notability requirements? Oaktree b (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG, also WP:NPOL. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 06:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[]

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Keep - Passes GNG from sources showing. Carrite (talk) 04:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[]

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