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Reasons why men go their own way (to be incorporated in the article)

  • Divorce statistics
  • Unenforced prenuptual agreements
  • Emotional sequelae of divorce: male suicide.
  • Asset division after divorce
  • Alimony
  • Child support
  • (lack of) Child custody
  • Paternity fraud
  • Lack of reproductive rights: Spermjacking, etc.
  • Violence against men: Domestic violence. Female on male rape not taken seriously. Stalking, etc.
  • False rape accusations
  • False domestic violence accusations
  • Lack of benefits in marriage: A wife has no legal obligations in marriage. No obligation to have sex. No obligation not to cheat, not to cuckold. There is nothing a husband is legally entitled to in marriage. No fault divorce belongs in this section(?).
  • Downsides of cohabitation: encroachment on male living space ("the prospect of having your personal space rearranged, and even being driven out of your personal space (which you're paying for) and into the garage isn't very savoury."), common law marriage, palimony, etc.
  • Substitute goods and services: self-improvement, hobbies, sports, video games, porn, sex toys, sexbots, prostitutes, escorts, massage parlors, artificial wombs, etc.
  • Decreasing wages: mancession, more difficult to support a household, etc.
  • Personal productivity:

Research shows increased scientific and artistic productivity in men who do not marry. As Christopher Orlet observes in his New English Review article Bachelorhood and Its Discontents,

Some believe that the contributions of the many celibate medieval monks (such as Thomas Aquinas, Duns Scotus, William of Ockham, Desiderius Erasmus, Michael Servetus) were essential in preserving and building European culture through the medieval age and laying the foundation for the Renaissance and the Enlightenment.[2]

References

  1. ^ "Bachelorhood And Its Discontents". www.newenglishreview.org. Retrieved 2015-11-28.
  2. ^ Woods Jr, Thomas (2005). How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization. Regnery Publishing, Inc. ISBN 0-89526-038-7.

References about MGTOW

References to be incorporated in the article

Vice Magazine[1], the Daily Mail[2][3], Reason magazine[4], the Daily Mirror[5], the Sun[6], the Independent[7], the Irish Independent[8], Independent Journal Review[9], the Huffington Post[10][11], InfoWars[12][13][14][15],, Metro[16], the Daily Beast[17], PJ Media, the BBC[18], Tommy Sotomayor, the Tom Leykis Show, xoJane[19], Business Insider[20], the Conservative Woman[21][22][23][24], Women24[25], eldiario.es[26], WorldNetDaily[27], and others.

References

  1. ^ Chris Köver (September 8, 2014). "Do We Have to Worry About Someone Actually Killing or Raping a Feminist Activist?". Vice Magazine. It's what I like to call the new misogyny—basically a large amorphous internet subculture that is consumed with hating and attacking women. Some of these people call themselves men's rights activists and portray what they are doing as somehow beneficial for men. Others call themselves "men going their own way," the basic premise being that they want to live independently of women but end up talking most of the time about how terrible women are. That whole subculture is very heavily represented among gamers and on websites like Reddit. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  2. ^ Jackson-Edwards, Phoebe (18 November 2015). "'Anti-feminist' student reveals he won't party with women in case he's accused of rape – and says he may stay single forever". Daily Mail. David Sherratt, 18, is a self-proclaimed 'anti-feminist' and member of Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), a secretive movement of straight men who avoid women altogether.
  3. ^ Lloyd, Peter (24 May 2013). "Men to blame for childless women? I don't think so - it's society that deliberately disenfranchises fathers, says Peter Lloyd". Yes, I sympathise that her many life choices never produced children, but it's not men who are to blame. For years feminism has declared that women don't need us; that we are redundant. Fine. But guess what - we don't need women either. And it's trending. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  4. ^ Nolan Brown, Elizabeth. "Why So Many Men Who Hate Women Love Limited Government". Reason Magazine. Along with standard MRA views—feminists have destroyed the rightful social order, men are the ones truly discriminated against today, etc.—the community subscribes to a four-part "Levels of MGTOW," the first and second of which involve ditching romantic, social, and sexual relationships with all women. The third step is economic disengagement, in which one "refuses to earn more money than is necessary for sustaining life" because government is "tyrannical" and one must "actively drain money from the bureaucrats." The fourth step is wide-scale societal disengagement. The founders of the MGTOW community—or "Red Pill," as it is now more commonly known—said in an early mission statement the group's goal is to instill "masculinity in men, femininity in women, and work toward limited government!" {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  5. ^ McCarthy, James; Logan, Ross (November 22, 2015). "This teenager doesn't want a girlfriend or sex - in case he's accused of rape". Daily Mirror. Retrieved 2015-12-13.
  6. ^ Kamouni, Sara (November 19, 2015). "Meet the student who fears he'll be accused of rape if he gets a girlfriend". Sun. Retrieved 2015-12-05.
  7. ^ Ali, Aftab. "Cardiff University student David Sherratt speaks about why he's anti-feminist, opposes sex consent classes and wants to remain single". The Independent. MGTOW is described as a movement which centres on a 'statement of self-ownership' whereby its members aim to steer clear of the social expectations of women and society in the belief that both have become 'hostile' against masculinity. According to Sherratt, though, MGTOW's message is about staying away from the opposite sex, and not doing 'what's expected' of a man by remaining single and having no children. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  8. ^ Ruth Dudley Edwards. "Deluded feminists divide us and imperil basic freedoms". The Irish Independent. On campuses, with war being waged on "lad-ism" and wild allegations being made about rape-culture, men are becoming frightened of challenging women, lest they are accused of harassment, discrimination, sexism or God knows what. A Cardiff student called David Sherratt explained last week why he is part of MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way): "I'm genuinely too scared to go near a woman, just in case. At university, I'm made to feel like a rapist all the time." And in the workplace, men are nervous that saying the wrong thing might lead to a complaint or a lawsuit. Listen, you social-justice warriors, you need to get a sense of perspective and (trigger warning) man up. The West is now in a war against Islamists - violent fundamentalists who would enslave all women and murder all those they consider deviants. Men, women and the transgendered should all be standing up to this terrible threat together: for most of us, our main weapon to challenge this toxic ideology is through the freedom of speech they hate. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  9. ^ Smith, Jed. "A Group of Men Has Come Up With a Pretty Extreme Response to Combat Feminism". Independent Journal Review. The group, called Men Going Their Own Way, has been building steam for a while now, but its recent coverage in the media is garnering it a lot more attention- and criticism. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  10. ^ Morrigan, Leah. "The Fear of Being Alone Has Ruined Modern Dating". Huffington Post. Then there is Men Going Their Own Way, or MGTOW, an online men's community that supports "a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else." I was delighted to find this site until I read further and found that what began as masculine empowerment quickly turned vile. [...] Sandman, sits safely behind his computer screen and proclaims his bitter, indiscriminate hate towards women, according to his videos I've watched. Sandman says that all women are manipulative whores and liars; he slut-shames, fat-shames, and age-shames women, and ironically complains about being single. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  11. ^ Weber Ph.D., Jill P. (October 30, 2015). "Reader Comments to '5 Signs You Might Be Dating a Man-Child'". The Huffington Post. The Huffington Post. Retrieved 2015-12-22.
  12. ^ Paul Joseph Watson. "Sexodus: Why are young men giving up on women?". InfoWars. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  13. ^ Paul Joseph Watson. "Radical Feminism is Destroying Young Men". InfoWars. Why are more and more young men giving up on women and checking out of society? They're calling it The Sexodus – an entire generation of boys abandoning female company, relinquishing relationships and retreating into a virtual reality world of pornography, video games, lad culture and chemical addictions." {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  14. ^ "Neomasculinity:the Male Backlash against Toxic Women". {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  15. ^ http://www.infowars.com/backlash-men-are-fighting-back-against-the-shame-of-being-masculine/. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help); Missing or empty |title= (help); Unknown parameter |name= ignored (help)
  16. ^ Willis, Amy. "Student won't party with women in case he is accused of rape". Metro. The student, a self-proclaimed 'anti-feminist', is part of a new movement of straight men who are avoiding any kind of contact with women, known as the Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) club. Speaking to student newspaper The Tab, he said: 'I wouldn't say I don't plan to have a girlfriend, ever. I'd make the exception for maybe one person at some point. 'But I don't see anything on the horizon at the moment, you have to be really really careful. Going out and having one night stands is too risky. Girls could falsely accuse you of rape.' {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  17. ^ Hymowitz, Kay (February 27, 2011). "Why Are Men So Angry?". The Daily Beast. The Daily Beast. Retrieved 6 April 2015. During the last few years researching this age group, I've stumbled onto a powerful underground current of male bitterness that has nothing to do with outsourcing, the Mancession, or any of the other issues we usually associate with contemporary male discontent. No, this is bitterness from guys who find the young women they might have hoped to hang out with entitled, dishonest, self-involved, slutty, manipulative, shallow, controlling—and did I mention gold-digging? Check out the websites [with] names like MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way), Nomarriage.com, or EternalBachelor [...] ("Give Modern Women the Husband They Deserve. None.")
  18. ^ Reggie Yates' Extreme UK. Episode 2: "Men at War", BBC3 , December 15, 2015, retrieved 2015-12-15
  19. ^ Mercer, Mara (June 12, 2013). "It Happened To Me: My Online Dating Profile Inspired A Whole Forum Thread Dedicated To What A Whore I Am". xoJane. Retrieved November 30, 2015.
  20. ^ Love, Dylan (September 15, 2013). "Inside Red Pill, The Weird New Cult For Men Who Don't Understand Women". Business Insider. Retrieved 2015-12-10. "MGTOW" is short for "men going their own way." This is a school of thought similar to Red Pill that's all about being a man who "will not surrender [his] will to the social expectations of women and society, because both have become hostile against masculinity." A fully-realized MGTOW (there are levels to it) is someone who shuns all relationships with women, short-term, long-term, romantic, and otherwise. He eventually shuns society as a whole: "For all intents and purposes, he does not exist. A urbanite might keep to his own apartment, while someone further out may simply head into the wilderness and go off-grid."
  21. ^ Gyngell, Kathy (April 21, 2015). "Sexodus anger needs to be channelled before it explodes". The Conservative Woman. Retrieved 2015-12-13. {{cite web}}: no-break space character in |title= at position 37 (help)
  22. ^ Perrins, Laura (December 12, 2014). "They call it the 'sexodus'.  Men retreat from women". The Conservative Woman. Retrieved 2015-12-13. {{cite web}}: no-break space character in |title= at position 17 (help)
  23. ^ Brown, Belinda (May 1, 2015). "A century of feminism has failed us. Women have betrayed men's trust". The Conservative Woman. Retrieved 2015-12-13.
  24. ^ "Reader's Comment of the Day: Facebook corrodes the bond between men and women". The Conservative Woman. September 6, 2015. Retrieved 2015-12-13.
  25. ^ Roux, Adam. "Sexodus: Are men retreating from society?". Women24. Retrieved 2015-12-13.
  26. ^ "MGTOW : El hombre del Siglo XXI". eldiario.es. Retrieved 2015-12-22.
  27. ^ Lewis, Patrice (June 12, 2015). "Men giving up on women (and women who hate them)". WorldNetDaily. WorldNetDaily. Retrieved 2015-12-23. Thus was born a movement called "Men Going Their Own Way," or MGTOW. I had never heard about it before last fall, but once brought to my attention, I've seen related stories cropping up all over the place. Many men, it seems, have decided women aren't worth the trouble. They are eager to participate in one-night stands, but that's about the extent of their willingness to commit. This in not just a case of "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Instead, for many men it seems the cost of the cow is simply too high.