Talk:Men Going Their Own Way
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Q1: Why is MGTOW called anti-feminist and misogynist?
A1: Many published, reliable sources such as scholarly journals and books describe MGTOW as anti-feminist and/or misogynist,[1][2][3][4] and no reliable sources contradicting these descriptors have been found. Q2: Why is MGTOW linked to white supremacy and the alt-right?
Q3: But what if the sources are biased?
A3: Reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective. If you have reliable sources that express contrary points of view or refute any statements in this article, please feel free to discuss them here. If you are unsure if a source is reliable, you can check to see if it is listed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Sources or search the archives of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard to see if its reliability has been discussed in the past. Q4: How do I get something changed on this page?
A4: First, review the talk page and its archives to see if your concerns have been raised before. Collect at least one, but preferably several, independent, reliable sources that directly support the changes you want to make. (Personal experience with the MGTOW community doesn't count.) Then start a discussion on the talk page to obtain consensus for your changes. Finally, make a specific edit request, clearly indicating your proposed changes and the sources that support it.
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NPOV
- Thread retitled from "Violates NPOV".
This article reads like a hit-piece which seeks to criticize and invalidate views and perspectives the author does not agree with.
Example: "The Southern Poverty Law Center categorizes MGTOW as a part of the male supremacist ideology"
The SPLC is a left wing organization that promotes left-wing ideology that cannot be considered a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Squiggly666 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Please learn to sign your posts, like this ~~~~ with four tildes at the end of your comment. Thanks.
- As to your comment, so what? SPLC is a reliable source for this sort of thing. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:54, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- According to people who agree with the SLPC perhaps. Many people (i.e. conservatives) do not. Squiggly666 (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, but this project has debated this source (SPLC) many times, and the community has decided that it is reliable. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well I am now disputing that. Sometime communities get things wrong. Squiggly666 (talk) 17:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Then this isn't the place to change the consensus on that. This page is for improving this article. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 17:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- I am disputing it in the context of improving this article. Do you have any reliable sources the the SLPC has been deemed a reliable source? Squiggly666 (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Whether
many people (i.e. conservatives)
agree or disagree with the SPLC is irrelevant. In determining due weight, "we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public". Editors of this page are not required to provide proof that the SPLC is a reliable source on extremist ideology. The place to dispute that is at WP:RS/N. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Whether
- I am disputing it in the context of improving this article. Do you have any reliable sources the the SLPC has been deemed a reliable source? Squiggly666 (talk) 17:03, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Then this isn't the place to change the consensus on that. This page is for improving this article. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 17:02, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Well I am now disputing that. Sometime communities get things wrong. Squiggly666 (talk) 17:00, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Sure, but this project has debated this source (SPLC) many times, and the community has decided that it is reliable. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:57, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- According to people who agree with the SLPC perhaps. Many people (i.e. conservatives) do not. Squiggly666 (talk) 16:56, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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Unfortunately these current MGTOW writings are widely inaccurate. Men Going There Own Way is just a philosophy, it is not a movement it is just the idea that due to current culture and laws that are disproportionately bias against men, that men should not marry or co-habitate so as to not fall victim to the legal system. That is MGTOW essentially, just an idea. Jc5729 (talk) 03:53, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 03:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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