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Friends' Schools League

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Lack of notability. Single source is self-published; I could not find anything more solid. TheLongTone (talk) 14:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Steven Ujifusa

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Tried draftfying this, and it was more or less immediately put back in mainspace. Tried find independent, and I couldn't find any. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete. The article is not written in correct format, and the author is clearly the subject (check username).

TheMotto (talk) 19:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Slightly off topic but can I request some eyes on this article [1] which the same author created 18 minutes before creating his own article. Google suggests some connection between author and subject. Axad12 (talk) 02:44, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete as per nom. Axad12 (talk) 02:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep. I added 17 reviews of his three books to the article, many of them reliably published in a mix of major newspapers and academic journals. There's easily enough for WP:AUTHOR here, even if we don't count the more-routine Publishers Weekly and Kirkus reviews. I don't know what the nominator tried but finding several of these took only plugging his name into Google News. As for formatting, see WP:DINC, but User:XOR'easter seems to have already done much of the necessary cleanup soon after the deletion nomination was made. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep per above. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep per found sources. Geschichte (talk) 08:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Gary Lefkowith

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Lots of passing mentions for BLP. Potentially notable.Fails WP:SIGCOV.WP:BIO scope_creep^Talk 20:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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I don’t see how being connected to India is a valid reason to delete. Please clarify. Bearian (talk) 19:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

@Bearian: I'm not sure really, three days ago. Ignore. scope_creep^Talk 19:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Governor's Victory Bell

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Article was previously deleted under a different title. (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Minnesota–Penn State football rivalry (2nd nomination)) with near-unanimous support. Article was re-created by the lone keep supporter. The fact that the article is now written with a focus on a trophy does not change the fact that it is a non-notable series or trophy. The coverage provided is inadequate. Sources generally are WP:ROUTINE coverage with a passing mention of the trophy, or basically say that it exists but do not explain any significance of the trophy. The ones with more than a passing mention explain why the trophy is not significant. Frank Anchor 15:59, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Comment: Courtesy ping of all involved in the previous discussion. @Let'srun:, @Paulmcdonald:, @Kablammo:, @PK-WIKI: @UtherSRG:. Frank Anchor 16:11, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete: Yup. Still non-notable. Fails WP:SIRS so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep: Article and sourcing was expanded significantly from any past deletion discussion, including multiple new sources not presented at any AFD.

Such as coverage from The Washington Post, which said "Perhaps the spirit of the college football rivalry trophy was best captured earlier this season" by Minnesota reclaiming the Governor's Victory Bell. The New York Times featured it in their article on a rising trend in College Football in which "the trophies precede the rivalries" and "other so-called rivalries that pop up after realignment". CBS Sports used the trophy to justify inclusion of PSU-UMN in their list of 21 Big Ten rivalries. The Associated Press featured it prominently as one of the top "forced rivalries" in the Big Ten and included it as one of the "17 trophy games recognized by the conference".

Beyond its inclusion in trophy/rivalry roundup articles by top-tier national sources, the trophy also has non-routine significant coverage over 30+ years by reliable, independent regional newspapers:

None of the above sources are WP:ROUTINE; they all go in-depth on the history and significance of the trophy. They are not "routine news coverage", "planned coverage of scheduled events", or "routine events such as sports matches" but rather entire articles, sections, or columns written about the trophy itself. WP:GNG: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. That the trophy columns share some space with coverage of that season's game is immaterial and expected.

I agree that you could say articles like this are routine coverage of the trophy being awarded, but the four sources above are significant coverage of the trophy that together meet GNG.

GNG requires "significant coverage" of the subject, but does not at all say that the subject must be significant. Thus the statement in the nomination that "The ones with more than a passing mention explain why the trophy is not significant." should be ignored. Reliable coverage of this trophy indicates it is significant for its non-significance.

Regardless, reliable sources do assign the trophy four components of non-routine "significance":

Commemorates Penn State's entrance into the Big Ten, a watershed moment for both their program and the conference.
Pushes Minnesota up into 4 official rivalry trophies, the most in the Big Ten, a conference famous for their rivalry trophies.
It being "weird" that Penn State plays for two rather unmeaningful trophies in the trophy-crazy Big Ten.
Frequently listed as a "forgettable" trophy, created and awarded but without much real meaning, indicative of the wider backdrop of a regional and rivalry-based sport losing those qualities to big money and conference realignment.

PK-WIKI (talk) 18:15, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

The above listed sources most certainly DO NOT go into the history or significance of the trophy. The first two basically explain the trophy exists and explain that many people connected with the two universities do not know about its existance, arguing the subject trophy is not notable N N. The third explains that the trophy was made to commemorate Penn State's first game in the Big Ten. That's a nice nugget of information on 1993 Penn State Nittany Lions football team, but certainly does not warrant an article on the trophy.N The last is a simple mention of the trophy's existence among many other rivalry trophys for both schools, this is absolutely a routine mention.N Further, per WP:N, The common theme in the notability guidelines is that there must be verifiable, objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability (emphasis mine). The significant attention from independent sources, if anything, appears to refute the claim of notability of this trophy. Frank Anchor 20:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]
I cited four different reliable, independent third-party sources from 1993, 1997, and 2016. All four of the stories provide significant coverage of the trophy.

One calls it "a tradition that has withstood the test of time" and "a hallowed trophy, a symbol of what makes college football players get on the field and give it everything the've got".

All four citations DO go into the history and significance of the trophy. That it was created to mark Penn State's entrance into the Big Ten. That it tallies as Minnesota's 4th rivalry trophy, the most in the Big Ten. That newcomer Penn State's trophies are widely considered less prestigious than the rest of the Big Ten's. That trophies and rivalries are now being unnaturally created. The Governor's Victory Bell is significant because of those reasons.

That people quoted in the stories don't think it's a great trophy is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Their opinion has no bearing on the trophy's notability. The stories themselves written by reliable third-party sources about the trophy are the significant coverage. The trophy does not need to be considered "significant" in comparison to other trophies. PK-WIKI (talk) 20:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep Passes WP:GNG with the above mentioned sources. It might be the most unmeaningful trophy written about, but it is written about. Alvaldi (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep: As the nom of the last AfD, I am persuaded by the sources presented that this subject meets the GNG. Let'srun (talk) 20:42, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Vote Blue

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No significant coverage. Not meeting WP:ORG. - The9Man ^Talk 10:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete: No significant coverage outside of some heavily promotional articles. The author of the Village Sun pieces is not exactly an independent source since he is a member of another local organization that campaigns for Democrats (see the note at the bottom of this article). Helpful Raccoon (talk) 20:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete per nom. and Helpful Raccoon. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Sal2100 (talk) 21:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Perry Sook

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. A before found nothing. Coverage seems all about contract. scope_creep^Talk 17:20, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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weak keep: This in Variety [2] helps, rest are confirmation of his contract. Not lots of coverage, but good enough. Oaktree b (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Redirect (for now) to Nexstar Media Group Surprisingly bare-bones article for the founder/CEO one of the largest broadcast networks and media groups, but he's a more 'silent' CEO so coverage seems to be limited to press releases and events where he does want to be public facing. Nate • (chatter) 01:25, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Keep There are a lot of untapped sources for improvement of this page. [3] would be high on my list and is from 2005. I've tapped coverage of Sook in improving especially WDKY-TV, KOCB, and WYOU. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:02, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Comment Both [1] and [2] seems to be interview style article. Ref [1] is definently an interview. Ref [2] looks as though was he has said is just lifted verbatim. I'm not confident in any of them, so I won't be closing the Afd. scope_creep^Talk 08:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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List of entertainment events at Civic Arena (Pittsburgh, PA)

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Articles for deletion/List of entertainment events at the SM Mall of Asia complex

Articles for deletion/List of entertainment events at Civic Arena (Pittsburgh, PA) (2nd nomination)

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Fails WP:NLIST overall, as the content of the list is not notable as a group. Seems to fail WP:NOTDB. Weakly defined inclusion criteria. mikeblas (talk) 14:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Why isn't the list notable as a group? There are other arenas of similar size listed that have similar lists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_events_by_venue Jasonstru (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[]

This list isn't notable as a group because it fails WP:NLIST. WP:OTHERSTUFF doesn't mean this is notable. (Also, note that many in that category have been already nominated for deletion.) -- mikeblas (talk) 18:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, already at AFD so not eligible for Soft Deletion,
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The Show (band)

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No appearance of notability. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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Delete per nom and WP:GNG. Lots of information here, but trying to verify any of it turns up crickets. Article was written by a 1-edit SPA apparently to promote a 2016 tour, and has remained essentialy unchanged ever since—except for adding even more promotional material, this time in support of a new venture involving the band's front men. StonyBrook _babble 12:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Already at AFD so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep. The promotional bloat of the article is lamentable, but that's fixable. The City Paper and Post-Gazette sources substantiate the band did international tours and got international radio airplay, which is sufficient to pass WP:MUSIC. Chubbles (talk) 13:52, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Delete fails WP:SUSTAINED and GNG. Public relations editing intentions are also rather conspicuous as mentioned in the original nomination statement. Graywalls (talk) 06:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[]

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