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"Identifies as nonbinary" vs "Is nonbinary"

I stumbled across an IP who had edited the articles of several nonbinary individuals, changing the sentence "x is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns." to "x identifies as nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns." This phrasing makes me uncomfortable as a nonbinary person(I don't "identify" as anything, I am nonbinary) but I wasn't able to find anything in WP:LGBT or the MOS to find justification to change it back. I'd rather not make an edit for my own comfort if it's ultimately pointless, so is there a WP page I might be able to look to about this? LaffyTaffer (talk) 16:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm specifically bothered by the deliberate and pointless change to "identifies as". The word "is" worked just fine, and is possibly preferred by some of the people whose articles were edited. LaffyTaffer (talk) 17:27, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi LaffyTaffer. You don't need to find your justification in some WP: or MOS: page. If a revert improves the article, go for it. That said, you might find your reason in the spirit of WP:VOICE, part of WP:NPOV, which says "Avoid stating facts as opinions." Also MOS:DOUBT. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:32, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you very much :) LaffyTaffer (talk) 17:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

On Portal:Transgender, near the beginning of the second major paragraph, the phrase "identify as" is used, non-disapprovingly and in the author's voice. However, it's being used in a somewhat different context there. If its appearance in that paragraph "proves" anything, it would be "A person exists who doesn't mind this phrase, and there has apparently not been a long-term agreement to avoid it".

But ... I consider myself near enough to being binary, and the context of where and how those additions to articles were made is making ME uncomfortable. I hope this is resolved without any worse stuff. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:54, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm a nonbinary person who identifies as a lot of things, including nonbinary. I'd probably prefer that use of language generally because it comes from the person's own voice, and it's the easiest way I've found to explain what it feels like to cis people; I do/don't identify with certain genders. Without any more information, if someone told me they don't identify as anything in the context of gender, I'd take that to mean they're agender. For Wikipedia's purposes, it's probably best to just go with what the sources say, unless there is a guideline that advises otherwise. Do the sources explicitly say they "identify" as anything or do they just describe the subject as such? HerrWaus (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I personally dislike the term since it can come with an implication that we're just "playing pretend", but I acknowledge that the phrasing still has its uses and that some prefer it. I've been sure not to touch articles where the main source on the subject's gender identity explicitly uses the phrase. If I've been over-eager in making those changes though, I recognize that this can boil down to a personal gripe, and I have no issue with the edits being reverted. LaffyTaffer (talk) 20:36, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @LaffyTaffer, TooManyFingers, and HerrWaus: – this is a worthy topic, and you can see the multiplicity of views here about it already. At this point, it has, imho, exceeded the purpose for which the Teahouse was designed, as it is getting into nuanced areas of guidelines, and opinions by different editors. If you would like to say more about this topic, that would be welcome, and I think a continuation at WT:LGBT would be the right venue for an extended discussion about it. You may also get additional responses there from other interested parties not aware of this discussion. If you wish to go that route, just open a new discussion there, starting off with template {{Discussion moved from}}, and add a {{Discussion moved to}} template below. If you feel this has about run it's course here already, that's fine, too, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! Adding Firefangledfeathers. Mathglot (talk) 07:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I think I prefer "Identifies as" on the basis that it implies it's the individual rather than a third party assigning the identity to that individual.

I'm not sure if it's really that large of a problem of people assigning identities to say historical figures, but it does imply that the individual has at some point declared that as how they see/feel/exist as themself.

In the end, either is accurate with proper citation, and the individual has the ability to change the semantics from/to "identifies as" to suit their own preference to how others refer to them.

136.26.125.98 (talk) 07:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

As a genderfluid individual, I often encounter this discussion. Personally, I prefer the phrasing "identifies as," as it gives me a sense of autonomy in how I am described. However, I understand that some people interpret this phrasing as implying, "You're not really nonbinary or 'X'; you just identify that way." I can see the validity of that argument as well.

When deciding between the two, I consider the subject's own preferences. If they say they "identify as X," I use that. If they state they "are X," I use that. When the context is ambiguous, I usually default to "are/am X," as it tends to carry the fewest connotations. DMBradbury 00:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

An admittedly politics - adjacent question

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Hello Wikipedians. Ok, how much of the Wikipedia staff and editors have a left bias? This ratio might say something about the factuality of certain articles. - S L A Y T H E - (talk) 17:13, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

I stay far away from editing any articles that are political or controversial in any way. On the articles I do work on I may occasionally give a short quote from a written opinion, and state that one reviewer had this to say on the topic (giving a good reference for the quote) but I strive to not let the world know my opinion on any given subject. (I don’t need added drama in my life.) All that is written is done by volunteers, so there isn’t any Wikipedia staff. I believe all the paid employees work to keep the website up and running. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:37, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Slaythe: Wikipedia editors (who, as Karen has noted, are volunteers) are not required to declare our political positions or lack thereof, so there cannot be a meaningful measure of how many editors have a particular "bias". If you are concerned about the neutrality or verifiability of Wikipedia as a whole, it's worth rereading the core principles. You may also find that your concerns have been raised by many others and summarised and addressed at Ideological bias on Wikipedia. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 22:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

You know, as a side note, there are propaganda tools that left-biased journo's use to the left's advantage. One of those being "lying by omission", which bluntly means presenting infos you prefer over others, resulting in overreporting and underreporting on the respective infos. There also other techniques they use that are more subtle and powerful. - S L A Y T H E - (talk) 08:26, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any idea of how many editors there are at Wikipedia? That will give you an answer.

I don't have the actual numbers myself (and cba to dig them out), and related to that is the question as to exactly how many are 'active' editors as opposed to somebody who just chipped in with one obscure article two decades ago. Either way it will be a VERY LARGE NUMBER.

Consequently, from a pure maths perspective, Wikipedia editors are a sub-set of the world, and I would argue that any 'bias' at Wikipedia is going to be a simple reflection of the bias that exists across the entire population of the planet. Does that help?

Having said all that, the factuality of 'certain articles' may well be dependant on the subject in question. Articles with a political angle may well attract biased editors like moths to a flame, whereas editors like myself remember that fire is a dangerous thing, and stay as far away as possible. But bias creeps in to the most surprising places, such as an article about a military unit I am currently editing, where a deficiency in equipment levels was blamed on budget cutbacks during the Carter administration, for chrissake!.

LOL, I've just checked Carter's page to see if he's still with us, and if he survives the next three days, he will be exactly 100 years old. I wonder if he has ever considered standing again?

WendlingCrusader (talk) 10:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

For those who are curious, there are 117,842 Wikipedians who have made an edit in the last 30 days last time I checked. That doesn't even account for the IPs! TheWikiToby (talk) 01:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd say more than right-biased ones. Do note Wikipedia is definitely not the most left-biased it could be; Take the extreme, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; Wikipedia frames the government of Israel and its population as the same entity (contrary to, say, Iran). Some leftist-ier places (I am specifically talking about the Israeli Left here, but more exist) already consider Israel to be a dictatorship, and as such, do not use this framing. RatherQueerDebator (talk) 13:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Contributions

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How do I get people to thank me for my helpful contributions? I feel like my service not on anyone's radar and I don't really feel appreciated. Wasabi-The-LoreMaster (talk) 19:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

You've only made 39 edits, including several to your user page and talk page. Don't worry about getting accolades, just focus on improving the encyclopedia. RudolfRed (talk) 20:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Wasabi-The-LoreMaster, I just thanked you for this Teahouse question. See how it works? Mathglot (talk) 20:21, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

thanks Wasabi-The-LoreMaster (talk) 21:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Pfft!

When you have made close to a thousand contributions, mostly substantial edits to actual articles (as opposed to fluff & nonsense like this Teahouse comment), and you're still waiting, then you should worry! On the other hand, maybe I'm just a really bad person? <laughs><cries><sobs uncontrollably>

WendlingCrusader (talk) 10:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Content removed by another editor for being contentious and biased even though based on real events

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Hi! I am talking about the recent edit I made on the Bhavish Aggarwal page about the comments that they made publicly based on reliable news sources (according to me, I think). But it was removed by another editor. What can I do to make it less biased when the comments made are as real as they get. Without getting into the fight.

Thanks! NerdboiIndia (talk) 23:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@NerdboiIndia: See WP:BRD. You made an edit, another editor reverted. Next step is to discuss it on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:56, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: hi! Thanks for your reply. I have tried to engage the same editor on the same page (by chance) previously too, but they didn't reply. I undid the revision last time and they left it as it is. So, I repeated I the same thing and undid their revision. I am not sure if that was a good idea. What do you think? NerdboiIndia (talk) 00:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@NerdboiIndia: I don't see any discussion at Talk:Bhavish_Aggarwal. Edit summaries are not discussion. Don't engage in an edit war RudolfRed (talk) 00:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed You are right. I added it to the talk page of the editor this time and previously too. User talk:Ilikeyoutoo yay - Wikipedia when I add it to the talk page of the subject instead, is it a good idea to tag the editor there? Also, which way is preferred. Thanks. NerdboiIndia (talk) 00:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Discussion of article content is best discussed at the article talk page, so that other interested editors can contribute. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Shantavira thanks for your suggestion. I have added this to the talk page of the subject. Please feel free to weigh in. Thanks! NerdboiIndia (talk) 18:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

How to deal with someone who seems to remove relatively negative coverage of Indian business owners

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Hi! I have made some recent edits on Bhavish Aggarwal and an editor removed them for being sensationalized even when inline citations support all claims. The same editor also seemed to have removed well-cited edits (not done by me) from Ritesh Agarwal which were negative in some sense. I have seen edits by the same editor that have toned down the negative headings on Bombay Stock Exchange and there can be more if searched extensively. How do I deal with this? Is there a way to report for suspecting paid edits or a way to involve the administrators? NerdboiIndia (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

You were advised on this above. If discussion with the other editor has failed to resolve the dispute, you should use dispute resolution channels to work through this dispute. If you suspect a conflict of interest, that should be discussed at WP:COIN. If you have evidence of undisclosed paid editing, see WP:PAID for how you can present that evidence(especially if the evidence is off-wiki evidence, as you cannot out users on wiki). 331dot (talk) 18:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

How to mass assess articles for a WikiProject?

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On many WikiProjects there's a section that has a listing of articles ranked based on their quality and importance. I'm hoping to request assessments for articles that fall into the category of my particular project, but I don't know how to start doing so. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Surayeproject3 (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Surayeproject3 and welcome to the Teahouse. I have a reasonable amount of experience doing this for WP:WikiProject Alps and WP:WikiProject Derbyshire, and have reassessed hundreds and hundreds of articles displayed in their Quality Assessment table. It does takes time, but is well worth doing.

Before going into details, it would help if you could answer three things:

• What WikiProject do you want to work on?
• Are you already familiar with making individual quality assessments, and are now simply seeking advice in completing the process as rapidly as possible for an entire project, or
• Are you seeking advice on how the Quality Assessment process actually works for a single article?

You might find this essay on Quality Assessment worth reading through before you respond: Wikipedia:Assessing articles. I'll then be happy to help answer any further questions.

(Please make sure you Ping me so that I can respond as quickly as possible to you) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thank you for your response! I primarily work on WikiProject Assyria, which although is inactive besides myself and a few other users, I'm hoping to use the quality assessments as a marker for future work on Assyrian-related articles. I've never been involved in the Quality Assessment process for any articles, but I am seeking advice on completing the process for many articles for the WikiProject. When I get the chance, I'll read over the individual page on Assessing articles, but I am hoping to know where is the best place to start from. Surayeproject3 (talk) 15:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Surayeproject3 OK. It sounds as though you're bringing the WikiProject back into activity, which is very laudable.

Using article Quality Assessment to focus attention on the easy things to fix, and identifying priorities for work is an excellent idea,too. I suggest you add a post to the Project's talk page to explain your plans, and seek ideas and input from others. By keeping on posting updates to that talk page you show to others that there is activity going on, and it can help stimulate further interest. Doing nothing, means the Project will appear, and probably stay, moribund. I advise you work carefully through that Project, page by page, as much of its key information is outdated (though I see you've already started on that process).

I do think it's important first to understand the principles behind Quality Assessment before delving into the process of reviewing them. Apart from Good Articles and Featured Articles, it is all very subjective. So you shouldn't have too much difficulty. But failing to understand the basics of the process isn't much help if you intend to use those quality assessments for focussing your or other people's attention. So, don't rush into assessing articles without reading what our grading system actually is, and how it works!

Personally, I'm very happy to allocate a grade for Stub, Start and C - grade articles. All these mean that the article is pretty incomplete in one or more ways, and the differences between them are very easy to spot.

Topics that appear to give a fairly reasonable coverage of all aspects of that topic would then be eligible to be assessed as maybe B or A grade. Once we get higher than that (WP:GA and WP:FA - FA beig the very highest quality in all respects) we are into the realms of submitting an article for review by a group of critical editors who give feedback and eventually decide whether or not a given article is correctly formatted, well-structured and properly cited, without any significant errors or omissions in style and content. They then allocate the GA or FA grade - it's not something for a single editor to decide.

I have now decided to continued my reply directly on your Talk Page HERE, as I think you'll find it helpful to discuss issues in detail without clogging up the Teahouse or losing the thread when it gets archived. So, regards from the UK, and see you over there! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia awards

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Is there a Wiki award for keeping a long daily editing streak? If yes, how long should it be to get awarded? Benzekre (talk) 06:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Benzekre, I don't think that kind of award exists here. The closest thing is maybe WP:EDITS, where it shows a list of editors who have contributed to the encyclopedia the most. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 07:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Benzekre You might be interested to look at Wikipedia:Service awards. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Benzekre Just in case you are not aware of it, you can use Special:Impact/Benzekre to automatically show your longest editing streak within your last 1,000 edits: which in your case as a newcomer means all edits so far. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Benzekre: In case you're wondering, look no further than WP:Database reports/Longest active user editing streaks (led by Johnny Au (talk · contribs).) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 06:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this info! 217.71.190.224 (talk) 07:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback#User:TyphoonAmpil

Why declined request. i'be revert vandalism again? is least a month of experience patrolling Special:RecentChanges. my experience is High 170 reverts. Thanks. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 12:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@TyphoonAmpil You were informed as to why it was declined yesterday, "I asked you to spend a month gaining experience. It's been ~2 weeks since I declined your previous request. Sorry, but that's just not enough experience for me to determine whether you'll be able to use the tool appropriately." CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo why ping me? can spend next month again. Courtesy ping: Fastily make ~1 month? almost least 160 reverts. Thanks. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 12:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

To be frank, I do not think you are ready for advanced permissions like rollback. You have had this account for just over a month which is nowhere near long enough for other editors to evaluate you (as Fastily said). When your first request was declined, you were advised to spend at least another month gaining experience and demonstrating your understanding of Wikipedia's guidelines, yet you made another request just two weeks later with no explanation. At the very least, the community would want to see whether an editor of one month's standing is able to understand and follow the clear guidance given to you by an experienced administrator. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 13:03, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Rollback

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hello I'm revert vandalism, August 28, 2024. I'be use WP:AntiVandal. I'm spend last month. give me Fastily. Thanks. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 04:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@TyphoonAmpil: This is not the place to request permissions, go to WP:PERM/R to request Rollback request. GrabUp - Talk 04:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@GrabUp Thanks. I'm go to WP:PERM/R. no reply. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 04:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Already requested and denied twice and previously asked here. TyphoonAmpil: I really do appreciate your anti-vandalism efforts but if you can't follow the clear instructions you are not likely to get more permissions. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 04:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

All the images are blocked

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My school has blocked Wikimedia Commons for as long as I can remember, but up until yesterday I could still view images on Commons on enwiki. Yesterday, that changed, and literally every single image on Wikipedia is replaced by a green avoid sign on a dark gray background. Is there any way I could get around the block? I already submitted a tech ticket to the school's IT department, but haven't got a response. BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 14:44, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@BombCraft8: The school likely blocked upload.wikimedia.org. You'll need to contact your school's IT dept, this isn't on the Wikipedia or WMF end. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 21:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

I did.

"The Wikimedia domain has always been blocked due to "controversial content". Wikipedia has a group of moderators who have to approve content before it gets posted publicly. Wikimedia allows anyone to post content without moderation."

-The IT guy BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 12:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Important to note:

Wikimedia Commons has been blocked for as long as I can remember, while metawiki and upload.wikimedia.org were recently blocked BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 12:20, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@BombCraft8 Interesting comment from your IT department. It isn't true to say that moderators have to approve content here: very little would get updated if every edit was moderated. Perhaps best not to mention that to them, though! Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:32, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 14:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

IT Guy is an idiot; Wikipedia has no such policy. Wikimedia Commons content is - exactly like Wikipedia's - retroactively moderated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't call him an idiot, but you're correct. BombCraft8 ^{(talk) (contributions)} 02:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a place in tanzania

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to do editing and add ons 181.188.1.5 (talk) 17:33, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not quite sure what you are asking us. You are, however, welcome to make constructive contributions to the article in English on Tanzania without having to register for a free account (though there are many benefits in doing so). You can make edits at Swahili Wikipedia HERE. I will leave a helpful welcome message on your user talk page to help you understand how to start editing and to make useful contributions here. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Quality or timeliness

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I've seen many BLP articles where there is an older photograph used, while there become a more recent one but is often of lower quality. In such situations should the older but more quality image be used, or the newer but lower quality? Zinderboff(talk) 19:22, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Zinderboff, there is no one-size-fits-all answer. In general, we prefer to use a high quality photo of the person when they were at the top of their game at the beginning of the article. Other photos can be used elsewhere in the body of the article. Very low quality photos should not be used if better photos are available. This is a matter of good editorial judgment and consensus among the editors interested in the specific article. Cullen328 (talk) 19:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Sometimes you'll see a talk page with the lead image discussed, and eventually a consensus is reached about which is best. As Cullen328 said, sometimes it's a high-quality photo of the person at their peak of fame. Often, however, I see the lead image being a photo of how the person looks now. The community errs on the side of quality, I think. Between an older and newer photo, generally the highest quality one is chosen. If they're the same quality, the new one is chosen. If the subject of the article has a preferred photograph and donates it, we tend to use that. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Proposed Additions: English Translations by Andrei Malaev-Babel and Demidov Association

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Hello everyone,

I am kimon fioretos and I would like to propose some additions to the Nikolai Vasilievich Demidov article. I am affiliated with the Demidov Association, which is dedicated to preserving and promoting Demidov's acting school. I believe these additions will enhance the article by providing valuable information about the availability of Demidov's work in English and the ongoing efforts to sustain his legacy.

References:

1. Demidov, Nikolai; Malaev-Babel, Andrei; Laskina, Natalia. Nikolai Demidov: Becoming an Actor-Creator. Routledge, 2021. ISBN 978-0367737009.
2. "About the Demidov Association." Demidov Association official website. Accessed September 26, 2024.

Rationale and Disclosure:

Due to my affiliation with the Demidov Association, I'm proposing these changes here for transparency and to comply with Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines.I am also proposing for someone esle to do this additions if they are approved. I believe these additions (especially the publication of the book in the English language) provide valuable context and information for readers interested in Demidov's work and its impact on modern acting techniques globaly.

Why These Additions Are Important:

• Significant Contributions: Andrei Malaev-Babel's translations have been instrumental in introducing Demidov's methodologies to a global audience, filling a gap in theatre education. More over Andrei Malaev Babel is the only person in the world that collaborated with Laskina herself on this work
• Educational Impact: These works are used in academic settings and professional actor training programs, highlighting their influence.
• Relevance to the Article: Including this information provides a more comprehensive understanding of Demidov's legacy and ongoing relevance.

I welcome any feedback or suggestions and hope that another editor can review and consider adding this information to the article.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best regards,

Kimon Fioretos Kimon fioretos (talk) 19:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Kimon fioretos Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your understanding of our policies about Conflict of Interest. The Hosts here are always happy to help and advise on the best ways to edit Wikipedia though, to be frank, we don't usually get involved directly in making specific edits on behalf of editors (unless one of us is suddenly so -motivated).

It would be best if you would get these and any future changes via the article Talk Page, made by following the instructions at WP:EDITREQUEST to draw the attention of an editor willing to make these changes. As one addition seems most appropriate for the 'Published works' section, and the second is really an 'External link', I doubt there will be any worries adding these - especially as you have provided (and will no doubt repeat) such a clear rationale. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:56, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

How to get started

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Is there a quick-start guide to help edit or refine content in our area of expertise? Sarakmo (talk) 21:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

For a quick summary on participating, see contributing to Wikipedia, and for a friendly tutorial, see our introduction. For a listing of introductions and tutorials by topic, see getting started.Moxy🍁 21:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sarakmo, if you are interested in editing a perticular topic, you might be interested in WikiProjects. These are groups of editors contributing to a specific area, and might find one that interests you. win8x (talking | spying) 14:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

write article

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Hello

is there anyone who can write a page about my website to get approved? Cfcplay (talk) 21:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

This isn't really the place to request authors to write for you. If the sources do not exist, there can't be an article about your website, no matter who writes it. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cfcplay. The short answer is, No.

If several somebodies who have no connection with you, and who have not been prompted or fed information on your behalf, choose to write in some depth about your website in places with a reputation for editorial control (such as major newspapers or magazines, or books from reputable publishers), then there could be a Wikipedia article about your website, based on what those sources say (and not at all on what you say or want to say).

If sources of that description do not exist, then no article is possible, and anybody who spends any time trying to will be wasting their time. ColinFine (talk) 21:59, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

ok thank you for the info i will contact some newspapers and tv channels for interview and reviews Cfcplay (talk) 22:09, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Cfcplay, reports of interviews won't help, as they won't be independent sources. Reviews could help. Maproom (talk) 22:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

ok how many reviews is required? Cfcplay (talk) 22:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cfcplay, when @TyphoonAmpilsays "won't help you", they mean "will help you", as I and Maproom have already said.

As for the reviews: it isn't really the number (though a mininum of three indepedent sources is usually required): it's about the depth of coverage. The question is, "is there enough material in the reviews to base an encyclopaedia article on?" Some reviews of things talk in depth about the subject. Others are superficial, and simply describe it, and maybe give their own opinions about it. Only in-depth reviews will be useful as sources for an article. See significant coverage. ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cfcplay To write article create article. Verifiability, Reliable sources, and independent sources. won't help you. Thanks. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 04:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Physalia utriculus

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So Wikipedia redirects Physalia utriculus Physalis physalis for some odd reason, even though they’re definitely different species. Please help. Atlas Þə Biologist (talk) 00:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Atlas Þə Biologist, and welcome to the Teahouse.

The article Portuguese man o' war says, under "Taxonomy":

The bluebottle, Pacific man o' war or Indo-Pacific Portuguese man o' war, distinguished by a smaller float and a single long fishing tentacle, was originally considered a separate species in the same genus (P. utriculus). The name was synonymized with P. physalis in 2007, and it is now considered a regional form of the same species.

So it sounds as if you may be relying on an older reference (there are two sources cited for that paragraph, though I haven't looked at them).

If you think that further discussion is required, Talk:Portuguese man o' war is the best place to start it. ColinFine (talk) 10:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

So P.utriculus is a subspecies? Atlas Þə Biologist (talk) 19:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No. If you don't understand the explanation above, I'm not sure how you expect to work on taxonomic article. It's a synonym, not a subspecies. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No, it's a taxonomic synonym. If you are not conversant with these basics and/or source interpretation, please do not fiddle with taxonomic articles. Your unfounded insistence at Talk:Physalia utriculus is a little concerning. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Atlas Þə Biologist: it is extremely bad form to revert other people's responses because you don't like them, as you did to my reponse above. This makes me think you are heading for trouble. Do not do this. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 06:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

How to make sure an article meets English Wikipedia standard

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Hello All,

I have submitted this draft article: Draft:Urban Diary (Hong Kong)

which is actually a translation of the following article in Wikipedia Chinese: 城市日記

I wanted to just make a translated version of the page (translation is my specialty in Wikipedia Chinese) but Wikipedia English won't allow me to do so, and therefore I have to make a new stand alone page.

The content is basically a translation from Wikipedia Chinese. How do I make it meet the standard in Wikipedia English and what are the differences? This is the first time I foray into Wikipedia English so I am grateful for your advice!

Regards Arutoria Arutoria (talk) 06:39, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Arutoria, in order to describe the differences between the standards for en:WP and zh:WP, I'd need to have a good knowledge of the latter. I don't have this, and lack the time and effort to investigate. This, I imagine, makes me rather normal here. (There will, of course, also be some fortunately en+zh bilingual editors who'll be familiar with zh:WP.) Let's forget zh:WP for now. Are there reliable sources that -- in any language -- describe or comment on Urban Diary in some detail? These sources must be independent of Urban Diary (so that they must not be largely based on interviews with people in Urban Diary) and of each other. If so, please (here, in this thread) specify three of them. -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Hoary for the advice.

I have cleaned up the reference page and resubmitted.

Hopefully it can be accepted this time. Arutoria (talk) 12:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Remove a page

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Hello

There is a wiki page for my old boss which is half fake - he is around 80 years old so does not use a computer.

I have edited it for him, to remove the lie part but someone keeps putting it back. Its malicious. He does not want the page anyway so please can some one help me remove his profile.

Thankyou Wells Report (talk) 07:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Wells Report, what you have twice removed from the article Alan Holyoake is referenced. Perhaps it's referenced inadequately. Perhaps the references were good but the paragraph you removed misrepresented them. Perhaps the references, or at least one or two of them, say things which, citing reliable sources, you can demonstrate are disputed or plain wrong. Whichever, in order to get rid of the paragraph (let alone the whole article), you're going to have to give a reason that's a lot clearer than "it" is "fake", or a "lie". The best place to post this would be not here but instead WP:BLPN. Specify the article -- again, Alan Holyoake -- and don't call it an article "for" him; rather, an article about him. -- Hoary (talk) 07:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou for your help.

I can do as you suggest but means I need to take the time to research and disprove what someone it writing.

Is there no method just to remove him completely from wiki. Wells Report (talk) 07:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wells Report, no, there is no method to remove him completely from Wikipedia. You or him don't own the page, see WP:Ownership of content. win8x (talking | spying) 14:30, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a method, which is deletion, as explained at WP:BLPDELETE. However, Holyoake appears to meet Wikipedia's inclusion ("notability") criteria, Wells Report, so I doubt that a deletion nomination would succeed. Improving the article based on reliable sources is probably the best approach, and you can make suggestions for how that can be done by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I have to say that the sourcing looks rather insufficient for the claims being made in this article. We have claims such as "His own research published in The London Philatelist failed to substantiate his claims" that aren't referenced to anything other than the primary source. This looks to be a WP:BLP violation and a WP:NOR one too. Pinging Maproom and Indigobeam, who've recently reverted content removal. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:43, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I've removed the paragraph concerned, pending further discussion. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Any topic groups on Wikipedia?

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Hi, I just signed up. I am interested in art and want to get involved in editing articles related to it. But the offers I receive are not exactly what I want to do. Please recommend if there are any art-related Wikipedia groups that I could edit. Thanks! Vtchjhn (talk) 08:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Vtchjhn: WikiProjects might be what you want – perhaps the visual arts project? — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 08:12, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the recommendation! This is just what I was looking for. Vtchjhn (talk) 08:16, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts (that other link redirects to the vital articles project). ObserveOwl (talk) 11:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

ObserveOwl: argh, thanks, I got my shortcuts mixed up. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 11:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Vtchjhn (talk) 08:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

How to do a sandbox

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My name is RAPGOD500, and i'm a Wikipedia editor specialized on hip hop music, and how can i do a progressive sandbox? RAPGOD500 (talk) 10:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@RAPGOD500 You have a personal sandbox in your user account, access is via your User or your User Talk page. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 10:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RAPGOD500, and welcome to the Teahouse.

I see that in User:RAPGOD500/sandbox, you have created an infobox and nothing else. Assuming this is intended to become an article, you have started totally BACKWARDS. This is like painting the windows of your house before you have built the walls, or the foundations, or even surveyed the site to check it is fit to build on: it will likely lead to frustration and disappointment, and probably a lot of wasted effort.

Absolutely the first thing to do in creating an article is to look for suitable reliable independent sources to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. This is first because if you cannot find the sources you will know that no article is possible, and any further effort you spend on it will be effort wasted. (It is extremely unlikely that an album to be released in 2025 will meet those criteria).

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

One more thing: are you connected with this album? If you are, please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's recommendations on editing with a conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Article on Organizations

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There are several organizations without a page on Wiki. Can I write articles or create profiles for organizations? Effie92 (talk) 12:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Effie92 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Are there particular organizations that you want to write about? Your use of the word "profile" suggests to me that you want to use Wikipedia to tell the world about certain organizations- Wikipedia articles do more than that, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own(not based on materials from the organization like its website, staff interviews, or announcements of its routine activities) to say about the organiazation, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization.

Writing a new article is challenging, and it is highly recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge as to how Wikipedia operates by first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for the process. Using the new user tutorial is a good idea as well. If you really want to start writing a new article now, you may use the article wizard.

If you are associated with the organizations you want to write about, please see conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Effie92 There was an interesting recent discussion about how the German-language version of Wikipedia differs from the English one regarding the notability of organisations. Please read WP:Teahouse#How to match WP:ENCORP for my article? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Meaning of pickles

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Are pickels actually good for you or not 210.84.6.89 (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello. This board is to ask questions about using Wikipedia, and is not a general help desk. You can learn more about pickles by reading the article about pickles. 331dot (talk) 12:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

plagiarism and unsubstantiated claims...

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I found this article and it seems largely unsubstantiated without citations, fails a plagiarism test, and has a lot of 'opinions rather than fact. How are these kind of articles reported? Geraldine Aino (talk) 13:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Geraldine Aino Probably best to use the Talk Page at Talk:Haris Alexiou. Please read our policy on biographies of living people, which says you can immediately delete any statement not backed up by an inline citation to a reliable source. The article only has 31 page watchers, so you might want to alert one of the Projects that are interested in it to your concerns, via the relevant Project's Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I need a advice how to deal with an unreasonable deletionist

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Please see our conversation here:

I made a minor change to this article: Inflection. More specifically, I added Russian language as an example of s highly inflectional language: I specifically wanted to add Russian there, because this list is missing Slavic languages completely, and because Russian is mostly widely spoken of the Slavic languages:

Languages that have some degree of inflection are synthetic languages. These can be highly inflected (such as Latin, Greek, Russian, Biblical Hebrew, and Sanskrit), or slightly inflected (such as English, Dutch, Persian). https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inflection&oldid=prev&diff=1248062111&markasread=327526085&markasreadwiki=enwiki

User "Remsense" reverted my one-word edit in violation of 2 rules:

1. Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary
2. he did not cite a specific reason for his deletion as the wiki-rules require.

I said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Remsense&oldid=1248061064

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inflection&oldid=1248038200

please read these rules : Besides violating the General Rules about Reverting, you did not cite a specific wiki-rule, that any revert requires. Walter Tau (talk) 12:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

He replied:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Inflection&oldid=prev&diff=1248062439 @Walter Tau, please stop adding clutter to the article. I'm not required to give a reason specifically rooted in policy just as you don't. But I did give a clear reason why I thought it should be removed, and you've made no case whatsoever for why it should be there. Stop re-adding contested material to the article, as that is an actual violation of actual site policy. Remsense ‥ 论 12:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

What do I do in this case. I feel that "Remsense" is unreasonable, violates wiki-rules, and he does it often with other editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Tau (talk • contribs) 15:03, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

User:Walter Tau, I'm not going to get into the details here but suggest this is something to be taken up on the Talk Page of the article. It seems to me a) that the sentence you are adding to has no source(s), so it might be better to focus on that and 2) this is the WP:LEAD section of the article, so should be a summary of what appears later. Although "Russian" is mentioned later in the article, I don't see why it should be in the lead. That, however, is debatable if you wish, on the Talk Page, where Remsense has already commented. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't mean to follow the OP around, but it is frustrating when I have mentioned that the document they are citing clearly states it is not "the rules of Wikipedia" several times, but they would rather keep pointing to it and calling it as such to support their indignation at getting reverted. I'm sorry, but that attitude is hard to work with: one's additions are not entitled to remain in the encyclopedia simply because they are additions. Remsense ‥ 论 14:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

>>Dear colleagues: thank you for your responses. Unfortunately, neither of you addressed any of the TWO questions, that I raised: User "Remsense" reverted my one-word edit in violation of 2 rules:

1. Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary
2. he did not cite a specific reason for his deletion as the wiki-rules require.

I would appreciate, if you provide a response to each of the two issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Tau (talk • contribs)

Walter Tau We don't really deal with user conduct issues here. If you have discussed this with the other user and that fails to resolve your concerns, go to WP:ANI- but be advised that your behavior will be examined as well. 331dot (talk) 15:00, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I know you have to be impartial in your advice here, but for goodness's sake I don't feel like fielding two simultaneous, specious ANI threads right now. Remsense ‥ 论 15:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Walter Tau I will note that "revert only when necessary" is not a rule or policy, but an essay. 331dot (talk) 15:08, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Walter Tau, the paragraph you edited gives a few examples of highly inflected languages. Four is enough. We don't want it become an ever-increasing list of such languages. Maproom (talk) 08:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@ User:Walter Tau may be following would help you in updating the understanding the way Wikipedia works. You seem to be on Wikipedia since 2007(? Xtool) but with less number of edits. If you are looking for policy change in respect of WP:ONUS then discuss at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability but until any change takes place in the policy one is expected to follow the policies as they stand today.

1. Reverting is not best answer to somebody else is reverting so avoid any further reverting.
2. When contested/ reverted first and foremost you need to provide independent WP:RS. One Wikipedia article can not be considered as reliable source in another Wikipedia article. One can make their case stronger by providing as many academic -written by professors- sources from reliable publications as possible.
3. Generally WP:ONUS to achieve WP:Consensus is on the user who wish to add or retain certain content. (and not who is deleting. This where you need to update yourself the way Wikipedia works)
4. Further you need to join on article talk page discussion. If unresolved opt for WP:3O, still unresolved WP:DRN, still unresolved then WP:RFC

Bookku (talk) 09:34, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Bookku , thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, you missed the point of the discussion. The question is NOT about reliability, but "how many examples are enough". 1) Is there a wiki-policy about? 2) How do you find if Wikipedia has a policy about something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter Tau (talk • contribs)

@Walter Tau: you can see a list at the bottom of Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. You misunderstand the point of policy, though. It's not meant to cover everything, and many decisions are not explicitly based on any particular policy or guideline, including the WP:Manual of Style. For goodness's sake, it was a basic judgment I made myself based on my experience, and in order to work with other editors you have to be willing to listen when they tell you they don't think your edits made the article better. There's not some special status on additions versus removals: both need to be justified and not arbitrary to make articles better. Please relax a bit. Remsense ‥ 论 00:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Walter Tau, It took me time to realize you are experienced enough user, WP:Teahouse gets questions normally from new users, for such deep policy level questions as yours probably Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) could be better avenue at times. Bookku (talk) 05:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Am I blocked?

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Because a user has blocked me,because he/she suspects that I use webhost,vpn or proxy when I dont. Please unblock,I can't edit for 2 yrs 2.49.60.209 (talk) 20:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

You appear to not be blocked. You can check your block log. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 20:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

oh ok,because when I was trying to edit a page it showed that I was blocked 2.49.60.209 (talk) 13:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Maybe you were using a different IP address to the one you used to post here, and that was blocked? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps Wikipedia:Open proxies may be helpful. Cullen328 (talk) 21:34, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

How do I add a B-class checklist to a WikiProject banner?

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I want to add a B-class checklist to a WP:MED banner at Talk:Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome. I could not find instructions for adding a B-class checklist to a WP banner at WP:MED. (It's probably there somewhere ...)

In my experience, WP:MIL has some of the best documentation on Wikipedia, so I tried "adding the specified code to the template call" as shown at Template:WikiProject Military history/doc. I tried adding the code below to WP:MED within the WikiProject banner shell, and taking WP:MED out of the banner shell, but neither worked. This is what I tried:

{{WikiProject Medicine | class=C | importance=Mid <!-- B-Class 5-criteria checklist --> | b1 <!-- Referencing and citations --> = <yes/no> | b2 <!-- Coverage and accuracy --> = <yes/no> | b3 <!-- Structure --> = <yes/no> | b4 <!-- Grammar and style --> = <yes/no> | b5 <!-- Supporting materials --> = <yes/no>}}

But when I previewed the page with my edits, I received five error messages, one for each of the checklist lines, like this:

Preview warning: Page using Template:WikiProject Medicine with unexpected parameter "b1"

I tried changing " = <yes/no> " to every variation I could think of, e.g., "=no", " = n ", " = yes", " = y ", etc., but no luck.

What am I doing wrong?

Thank you! - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/him] 01:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mark D Worthen PsyD. There are only a few WikiProject templates which support a B-class checklist. {{WikiProject Medicine}} isn't one of them. The template source has no mention of b1, b2, b3, b4, b5, unlike {{WikiProject Military history}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, that would explain it! And it makes me feel better since it was not actually something I could have figured out. Thank you very much for your help. Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/him] 14:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Difference between revisions

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I made an edit to "Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad" and then I see that another entity did something. I went to the site to see what was done but the previous and present look identical. I did this to other situations and see the same. At some point previously I recall seeing previous and present [maybe called current] clearly shown. How do I see "Difference between revisions" ? I want to be able to see what my edit was and then what the subsequent edit was. MarkWHowe (talk) 02:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

MarkWHowe, while looking at Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad, click "View history". Two little circles will be colored in. If you wish, click alternatives to one or both of these as "before" (left) and "after" (right) states respectively. Then click "Compare selected revisions". -- Hoary (talk) 02:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@MarkWHowe: For a single edit it's easier to click "prev" at the edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I tried both ways and see what you mean. The 'line 76' edit must be so trivial I can't see it in the text. Thanks! MarkWHowe (talk) 15:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, MarkWHowe, and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming you're looking at the edit by @Central Corridor, they didn't actually change line 76 at all; : they inserted the line

{{main|Rock Island District}}

after it. It's an artifact of the comparison software that it reports line 76 as changed. ColinFine (talk) 16:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@MarkWHowe: {{main|Rock Island District}} produces this line at the top of Chicago, Rock Island and Pacific Railroad#Chicago commuter service:

Main article: Rock Island District

It's annoying that a diff doesn't have a link from a change to the corresponding place in the rendered article. In this case [1] it was a section edit so the section heading "Chicago commuter service" is shown in grey in the edit summary and clicking it jumps to the top of the section. I often copy-paste some text from a diff and use a browser search (Ctrl+f in Windows browsers) to find the location in the page. It only works if the copied text is rendered so avoid things like template names and syntax. "Rock Island District" works here but it also occurs elsewhere on the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Requesting some handholding support

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Hello Wikipedia contributors, I would like to write an article on Wikipedia. Can you please help me draft and submit the article with handholding support? I can donate a cup of coffee to you. Vinsa (talk) 03:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello Vinsa. I’m not very good at giving handholding help but, if you haven’t already done so, I’d recommend you studying Help:Your first article Best wishes on your writing project. Be sure to take all the time you need and, if things begin to feel a little overwhelming, just take a break from the work and come back after you’ve rested. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:24, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Vinsa24 Read Help:Your first article to submit the draft. the draft named Draft:Varun Porwal. Thanks. †TyphoonAmpil† (💬 - 📝 - 🌀 - 🏮) 04:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Vinsa, and welcome to the Teahouse. This may not be what you want to hear, but: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOSHARE and DID

Regarding WP:NOSHARE, how does wikipedia treat people with dissociative identity disorder, given that they may act like multiple people sharing one account? I feel like a change at least to the wording of the policy might be in order but I don't know how to initiate that or know if it's needed. Just`Existing 03:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Just`Existing, people with various types of mental disorders are welcome to edit Wikipedia as long as their problems do not prevent them from complying with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. If Editor A gets criticized and then says, "That was actually Editor B who was editing at that time, who happens to be a different persona in my brain", I would not expect that excuse to gain much traction. I do not think that there would be much support for a special carve out for this condition. The general principle is that anyone can edit when they are in control, but nobody should edit when they are out of control. Cullen328 (talk) 09:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Just`Existing: you might be interested in reading User:Tamzin/Plurality and multiplicity FAQ. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 12:31, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

What's up with Recent Activity Views on Edits/Recent Activity being inconsistent?

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(This isn't a "how to" question, feel free to direct me to another place that's better to ask about it.)

I'm still relatively new and I like seeing the impact views on recent activity on my home page (and on the special:impact page). It's great to see that what I'm doing is helping, but also to direct me to edit more important/likely to be viewed articles - espeically as I'm starting to seek out WikiProjects and choose pages on my own to work on.

The weird thing is it's very inconsistent. As of writing, it says ~26,000 views, but pages that definitely have views seem to randomly disappear and reappear from the totals. Earlier today it showed me ~100 views, due to more viewed pages just not being listed. (But my user contributions are always correct, so not due to reverted edits or anything.)

Searching to see if this is a known thing has been fruitless for me so far. Is this a known issue and maybe not a priority to fix? I'm mostly just curious what's going on with it. Cyanochic (talk) 04:56, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I've only been here sixth months myself, so I am still learning (every single day), but here is my two cents.

The numbers of views list bounces around like a kangaroo on speed, possibly so that you get some variety in terms of feedback, otherwise it would (over time) revert to just listing the same nine articles, in order of views. In my case, the #1 most viewed article is something to do with football, one of my first edits. Unfortunately my edit was promptly reverted by the article's main author most likely because he didn't like a new editor messing with his 'baby'. It's not even a subject I give two hoots about, and my net contribution to the article is effectively zilch, but it will always be listed at #1 because thousands of people view it every day. That's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes. Although, like you say, there are days when the list drops these monsters and focusses on different aspects.

Have you investigated the list deeper? Hold your cursor on the numbers and it will offer you detailed page views. This takes you to a separate site that I have no specific explanation for, but it may answer some questions for you.

For example, [this link] is the detail you would get for Bacillaria_paxillifer

And this article will probably tell you a whole lot more.

That's me, I'm done here. Hopefully a real expert will chip in before too long.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 12:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cyanochic Disclaimer: not an expert. The Special:Impact page should be seen as a bit of fun intended to encourage new editors to stay. It is clearly wrong in detail. So, in my case as a long-time editor, it gives different results every time I look at it. It often seems to focus on articles where I made a couple of minor edits but it is ignoring a major article I created on 4 August and which had a WP:DYK on the Main Page on 29 August when it achieved over 6,000 pageviews! I think that there are a few considerations. 1) It only considers the latest 60 days of your editing (for newcomers, this is in effect all their edits), 2) It doesn't account for the size of your edit, so ignores real "impact" on an article and 3) any edits you make to a well-trafficked article dominate: it seems to choose articles where the average recent readership is high. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you! I was mostly just curious as to why some pages wouldn't show up sometimes as it seems a bit buggy. I hadn't thought about it getting a bit boring with max viewed pages (though I am a bit competitive with my past self to keep getting higher numbers so I may not be the best use case :P) Cyanochic (talk) 02:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

How to delete an article?

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Hello, today I created an article for the first time and published it. Now I want to delete it for some reasons Ruthen Pagan (talk) 13:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ruthen Pagan I assume you mean User:Ruthen Pagan/sandbox. That's in your own personal area and although "published" is not part of the main encyclopaedia. You can simply WP:BLANK it or overwrite it with new content when you are ready: that area is entirely within your control. Technically, admins will deleted pages marked with the template {{Db-author}} if, for example, you had created a draft article as sole author but that would be a waste of their time in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ruthen Pagan. Since you were the only author of that page, you are allowed to simply delete it, as Mike Turnbull says. But note that every time any of us posts to Wikipedia we are agreeing to "irrevocably release your text under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and GFDL" (I've copied that text from the message that is currently on my screen under the editing window).

This means that in general, while anybody may delete any text as part of editing, any other editor may disagree and restore it. The text you added is effectively no longer yours, and you cannot insist it be deleted (or insist it be kept). ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Looking for Writing Help While Researching Dimitrios Papacharalambous

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Hello everyone,

I hope you're all doing well! I’m currently working on a new page and could really use your help. I’m in the process of gathering more sources and additional details about Dimitrios Papacharalambous.

While I'm focusing on research, I want to ensure that the page adheres to Wikipedia’s writing style and guidelines, particularly regarding neutrality, tone, and structure. I could really use some assistance in refining the content to meet these standards. If anyone with experience in crafting Wikipedia pages could lend a hand, I’d greatly appreciate it! IlEssere (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @IlEssere. Another editor has added an information box at the top of the page highlighting several problems, with links to more information. Phrases such as His business acumen turned that small basement into one of the largest flower shops in America are not only non-neutral but unreferenced. In addition, the article is full of trivia such as At the time, it was customary for Americans to buy a bouquet for their wives on their way home from work. The "philanthropy" section is pure WP:PEACOCK and needs to be toned down. You also need to find more WP:Reliable sources. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

All the aforementioned details are referenced in "Δημήτριος Παπαχαραλάμπους: Ο μεγάλος ευεργέτης της Ναυπάκτου". www.npress.gr. Retrieved 2024-09-25.

I will work on addressing these in the article. IlEssere (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

suggested article

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Yesterday I saw on the news a young boy called Nicolás Atanes who popularizes mathematics, and I asked why he doesn't have an article. He has appeared in El Mundo (https://www.elmundo.es/viajes/espana/2024/09/26/66f2fe7321efa0ae608b459a.html) and RTVE newscast (https://www.rtve.es/play/videos/telediario-1/comienzan-pruebas-oposiciones-servicio-publico-toda-espana/16265770/) recently. Googling, it seems that he has been with Pedro Sánchez, Mariya Gabriel, Terence Tao, but I don't see an article of him. 79.116.105.54 (talk) 17:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

The simple answer is that no-one has written it yet (at least in this English-language Wikipedia). All new articles are first created by a volunteer editor (which we all are), and someone needs to decide to do so. (Wikipedia itself has no paid 'staff', so nobody can be 'assigned' to do anything.)

The more complex answer is that he may, or may not, qualify as Notable (please read that linked Project page) in Wikipedia's special sense: i.e. that several (preferably at least three) independent pieces of substantial length have been written about him, by people unconnected to and unprompted by him or anyone directly connected to him, and published (in print or broadcast media) in what Wikipedia considers Reliable sources. Your two linked items may well qualify as suitable sources (although I do not read Spanish, so can't be sure).

If there are not sufficient Reliiable sources available, then given his age it may simply be a case of WP:Too soon.

It might occur to you to begin a Draft of an article yourself, using Wikipedia's Article wizard. You are welcome to do so, but be aware that creating a Draft that will comply with Wikipedia's extensive requirements (and be accepted as an article once submitted) is difficult, especially for a newcomer, and you would be better advised to first spend several months familiarising yourself with Wikipedia's policies, procedures, and contents & style customs. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 21:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I got it. The problem is that I tried to learn how to do this, an article and all that, but I can't create the article, and I don't know how to do then. 79.116.105.54 (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

It might help you to go to the Article wizard I linked above, click on the link that it has to "guide to your first article", and study the Help page it takes you to. Take your time, there is no urgency: we have a saying here that Wikipedia has no deadlines (read that linked essay too). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.86.81 (talk) 14:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. He has been on Wikidata for some time. That link shows that he doesn't yet have an article in the Spanish-language version of Wikipedia, which is where I'd expect an article about him to appear first, given the sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Most of these people are banning me are European

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This is not really a question but a suggestion. Hello, I am a Kikuyu and you have to tell Kenyans about their history. You don’t use western media, I asked other Kenyans if we won the rebellion they said yes. So if I keep editing Kenyan victory please hear me out!! Infowritere (talk) 18:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Mau Mau Rebillion Infowritere (talk) 18:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

You guys need to fix this asap because other people will look for the wrong information!! Infowritere (talk) 18:07, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

All things need to be reliably sourced to sources that the community has come to a consensus on for having a reputation for reliability, independence, fact-checking, and accuracy. Your edit was reverted as you did not provide reliable sources that indicate a different outcome in the the Mau Mau rebellion sufficient to form a consensus that it is what the article should say. Your opinion is not a reliable source, nor is the general public opinion of Kenyan citizens or British citizens. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

If you'd like to make changes to these pages, you're going to have to take a drastically different approach. Since your previous block for adding unsourced information last month, you've had more than two dozen unsourced edits reverted by different editors, and a warning message about unsourced edits. You need to follow WP:RS because if you continue down this road, you are likely find yourself blocked for increasingly longer durations. And being blocked would prevent you from having any say in the content that appears on articles that are important to you. Constructing editing is crucial to keeping Wikipedia a useful project. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is that the leader of the rebellion, Dedan Kimathi, was captured by the British colonial government and hung. Over 1000 rebels were executed. It is true that many Kenyans today consider these rebels from the 1950s to be national heroes, but in practical terms, the rebellion failed. Cullen328 (talk) 18:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Bare URLs that become dead links

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I'm trying to go through the backlog of wikis with bare URLs, and a lot of them have become dead links already, although they're still tagged as bare URLs. Should I change the tag on them, and if so, is there any other info I need to add other than just changing the tag? ChainmailSweater (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ChainmailSweater. You can find practical advice at Wikipedia:Link rot. The handy shortcut is WP:LINKROT. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Font size reduction in Publish Changes

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Lately, when you enter the Publish Changes dialog the font size is much reduced from the viewing size in the page you're editing. This makes it hard for me to read and I'd like an option to get back the old behaviour. Is such an option already there? I can't find it. -- Dough34 (talk) 19:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I can't find sources for a citation

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On List of Latter Day Saints#Sports figures, quite a few names on the list need citations, but I'm having a lot of difficulty finding sources outside of a couple of blogs or at all, and I'm not sure what my next course of action should be. Do I remove the names from the list, leave it as is, or is there something else I should be doing? RustyDigitalis (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, RustyDigitalis. Either remove the information, or mark it with {{citation needed}}. Some would say that tagging it and not removing it is cowardly, but I certainly do that sometimes, especially if I believe the information is correct. ColinFine (talk) 23:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Content assessment question

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Hi everyone. I've had a few articles accepted via AfC and seem to be hitting a C-Grade wall. I did a good bit of drafting/editing before the page Johnny Crowder was accepted and it's left me curious, what would I theoretically need to do to get that article in particular to a B-Grade? Reading the content assessment cheat sheet is giving me some concepts of this, but I think I need to hear some outside thoughts. In this instance, I was able to flesh out the article decently, so would better sourcing fix the issue? Do I need to improve my writing style? This is a request for some constructive criticism where the new found knowledge will go into the next article I attempt to write. Thanks! 30Four (talk) 22:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

30Four, keep in mind that almost nobody cares about the minor and subjective distinctions between a C-grade and a B-grade article. These ratings are the individual opinion of a single editor. The only ones of significance are Good article and Featured article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:11, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen. While that alone is a fair assessment, I figured I should set my sights a bit lower than GA/FA when creating new articles. If I can create a better base for an article, it'd be a simpler (not easy!) task for the community at large to potentially edit it into a GA/FA later on. Besides, why not look at the next higher grade as a goal for improvement? Asking for criticism on an article is intended to help myself understand the nuances of higher-tier Wikipedia articles & how I can take steps to get to that point. 30Four (talk) 23:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@30Four I tend to care about the 'accuracy' of Quality Assessments, despite the previous comment. No, your article definitely does not go beyond a C-class article. It is currently well-graded. The page is about a person, Johnny Crowder, and it completely fails to provide me with a full insight into this person's life. Yet, it gives me a good starting point to know who he is. Please read the descriptions of each grade at WP:Content assessment#Grades to appreciate why I say this.

Hitting a C-grade wall in new articles is quite common, and a really good achievement in itself. It means you've done a pretty good job in presenting the basics of a topic. Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of! To go further, you need to invest a lot of time and serious effort into researching all aspects of a subject - perhaps a person's life. If you can't find good quality, published sources to cite, then you're never going to be able to get beyond that grade. Don't be put off though. Most new articles rarely get beyond Stub or Start class. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Nick, I appreciate this! This is very helpful insight. I feel I should be clear in saying I don't feel this article deserves a higher grade, rather, I'm looking to see how to potentially improve in the future. Seeing that there wasn't complete, in-depth coverage of all aspects of the subject's life, this article will likely stay at the current classification until that sourcing exists. 30Four (talk) 03:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@30Four, I don't know that I've ever given more than a handful of B-grade ratings to my AfC acceptances. C-class is a huge bin that covers a wide variety of articles. A B-class article is pretty much "looks like a GA but hasn't gone through review", or, very often, it's "this article is full of problems but it is very, very long" (see eg Napoleon III). I don't think it's writing style or sources that are the issue - just completeness. More information, and at least one image if you can. -- asilvering (talk) 01:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight, asilvering. Can definitely appreciate the need for completeness in an article, similar to what Nick Moyes responded with. Regarding the image, I've messed with the non-free logo side of things. If an image of the subject doesn't exist on Commons, what would be the best way in seeking one out? Does it just come down to someone seeking out the subject and creating the image themselves? 30Four (talk) 03:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Depends on the topic. For articles on living people, you can try sending them this: Wikipedia:A picture of you. -- asilvering (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

About knowing if a topic is relevant to Wikipedia or not

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So, i live in a small city in Brazil, with probably 200k people living on it, and there is a well known order over here that focus on teaching people, mostly young adults, about scientific and religious matters. It's big around here and the order has a amazing story that is only written in old books, everyone knows about it over here, but it's a small city after all, i would like to know if this qualifies for a new Wikipedia article. Anderson Von (talk) 23:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

@Anderson Von Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you clarify: are you asking if the city with 200k people is Notable, or whether the religious 'order' is WP:Notable? If the former - it's highly likely that a city of that size is, indeed, notable. If the latter: it depends upon the quality of the sources. We can accept independently published books that aren't in English, and it doesn't matter how old they are, of whether or not they're available online. They might well support an article being written about that Order. But we cannot advise further without more information. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

humor project

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Is there a WikiProject specifically for humor? I know there are several categories such as Category:Humorous Wikipedia essays. Is there a list of editors who are interested in collaborating on funny articles? Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Allthemilescombined1, I'm guessing its this one: Wikipedia:Department of Fun. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 00:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Yep! Thank you! Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Allthemilescombined1 Welcome to the Teahouse! Please bear in mind that this is a serious project to build an encyclopaedia. We aren't here for the bants. So 'funny articles' is not something we focus on. That said, you might find that WP:WikiProject Comedy focusses on topics close to your heart. Whilst the articles themselves are not funny, they should all relate to comedy and to comedians in some way. There are 38,604 articles covered by this WikiProject, of which 12,874 are mere Stub articles. The pages in the Category you link to are not actual articles, so I doubt there will be any WikiProjects relevant to them, though I note that the response prior to mine may give you a useful link to the most relevant WikProject. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I'll look, thanks. Allthemilescombined1 (talk) 00:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of a rejected draft

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Hi, I tried to delete Draft:Pawandeep Rajan by using db-g7 as it has already been rejected but, it was declined. May I know what is the actual reason for this... and, what should I do to make a fair request again.? —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 06:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I suggest that you ask the admin directly- but maybe they wanted to see an affirmative statement that you were requesting deletion. Usually I interpret the author placing the deletion request as the request, but we all think differently. 331dot (talk) 06:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Also note that drafts are deleted after six months of inactivity. 331dot (talk) 06:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Many thanks. —𝐏𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐨(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔) 07:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Community engagement project

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Hi everyone, I have a concept for a project to help different people find social groups, clubs or sports in the local area. I think the wiki format would be a very positive way to proceed, as it would remove a "gatekeeper" requirement for updating information. Would we able able to adjust your town entry to include clubs, sports and support in place and could we promote this to those clubs etc to add and update their own entries?

Examples would include the local squirrel/beaver/cub/scout groups, wargaming clubs, sports clubs etc. Would including meeting times, places and contact details (such as an email) contradict the Wikipedia rules?

Would it be better to proceed with a separate Wiki?

Please let me know.

Kind regards, Suneokun (talk) 08:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Suneokun it sounds useful, but would not fit Wikipedia's use as that would primarily be WP:PROMO and Primary material. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Suneokun: There are a number of ways you can set up your own wiki, using the same software that Wikipedia uses. See wikibooks:Starting and Running a Wiki Website/Hosted Wikis. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Label numbering in an infobox

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This is a question about numbering labels in an infobox. Having made a request to add a parameter to Infobox train on the template Talk page (Template talk:Infobox train#Request for an extra parameter), to which there has been no objection, I want to add it as a free-form label. Label 51 in the template (Template:Infobox train) shows a British term, "formation", and I want to add the U.S. term "consist" (which has the same definition). My question is: given that the list of parameters continues beyond label 51, and there are two sequences of numbers, what label number should I use for entering the parameter?Cheers, Simon – SCHolar44 🇦🇺 💬 at 09:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Is "Sex Type Icon After User Name" really necessary?

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I have been Wikipedia user for 2 weeks. I am from Turkey. When I marked sex type button as "male" in my profile settings, then I noticed that Wikipedia had added male icon "♂" to my user name. That was just a demographic information for Wikipedia might be used for statistical reasons. Should we really know the sex type of the user when we look at his/her/their user name. I find it a bit unnecessarily support to the discrimination. Yes I also know that we don't have to declare our sex type. But here I want to emphasize something different. There is no problem to declare our sex type and to be shown it here, but it is not needed to highlight in our usernames. There may be a different place / part here for it. I'd like to learn your view. Thank you. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 09:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

There's no other reason to specify your gender onsite, so if you would prefer other editors not know, you are free to change the setting back to unspecified. Remsense ‥ 论 09:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I disagree. The way shouldn't be this. I can declare my gender but I don't want it to be shown as an addition to my username. We don't need such bias labelling. In which social media, do user's genders are shown this much directly? Nearly none. If the other user wants to know it, it is shown as a minor detail somewhere in profile, but not at the user name. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 10:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

To reiterate: the preference serves no other function onsite than the social function. If you are uncomfortable with yours being specified, you can leave it unspecified. Other editors are free to make the same choice. I would suggest that you defer to other editors as to whether they choose to divulge this piece of information about themselves. Remsense ‥ 论 10:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Also—this is perhaps a more analytical point, but one you may find enlightening—there is a considerable issue online where many spaces are assumed to be "male" by default. As such, if one lacks the ability to specify, that could also result in uncomfortable social dynamics for certain people. If one would like others to know, there's no reason it should be hidden where it will never be seen—the only reason to specify is so that others know. Remsense ‥ 论 10:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Just to help clarify a possible misunderstanding: You state I can declare my gender but I don't want it to be shown. This is self-contradictory. To whom are you declaring your gender? Everything in Wikipedia is public. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

• Basically above. You can simply choose not to use this option. I don't indicate my gender or pronouns because I simply don't care. If someone misgenders me or uses the wrong pronouns, I equally don't care. I also generally don't disclose on Wikipedia my age, marital status, education, field of work, or what type car I drive, again...because I don't care. If other's wish to do so, then it's not offensive to me. I still just don't care. If others wish to disclose that they really love chinchillas, Coachella, or Coca Cola, then okay. It doesn't affect me. GMG^talk 12:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  The matter is not about being offended or not. It is about the lifting all discriminative labelling wher it is necessary. The rules of Wikipedia is not something can't be changed. We are in a free world and have right to interpret the meanings of all acions, settings in the light of new approaches. All human being's duty is to expand the border of equailty and to stop discrimination on every level. Settings options can't be alleged as a choice if we don't want to express our gender. I can express my gender but I have right not to see gender identity as an addition to my username. All I am saying is about human rights. Likewise we can reach a better place where gender equality can find its balance. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 13:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  @DemirWikiTR34 My I ask where exactly you are seeing the "♂" icon? I've been on Wikipedia for years and have never noticed it anywhere "in my username", despite declaring in the settings for my account that I prefer masculine gender when people refer to me. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  I see on my user page and also I see these icon on some other users' their own pages too. Here is my user page link: https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1:DemirWikiTR34 I wish I could add a screen shot but the box doesn't let it. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Again, the only purpose of that setting is if you want to tell other editors this information. Just go to your user preferences and put your gender as unspecified. Others clearly like having this option. If say...someone had a gender ambiguous name like Tracy for a boy, or Charlie for a girl, I could see how it could be annoying if others kept referring to you wrongly. GMG^talk 13:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  OK, @DemirWikiTR34, I see that icon at the Turkish Wikipedia you linked but it doesn't appear here on the English Wikipedia on my userpage or on yours; nor at my page on the Turkish-language version, despite my gender being part of my global settings, so it must be something in the settings for what I assume is your "home" Wikipedia: all have separate policies. It is, I suppose, possible that you see the icon when you look at my userpage there: some items change according to who is looking at the page. Anyway, I suggest you ask at the Turkish helpdesk or equivalent of our WP:VPT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you, you are right. When I checked your page, I didn't see the icon and also I checked some other users in English too and no icon. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 14:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@DemirWikiTR34: Special:Preferences says: "The software uses this value to address you and to mention you to others using the selected grammatical gender option. Your selection will be publicly visible to others". It's not for statistical reasons. I don't know Turkish but I examined the Turkish Wikipedia. They have made a default gadget which displays the gender symbol. It's "Hızlı bilgi" (quick information according to Google Translate) at tr:Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. You can disable the gadget but it will only prevent yourself from seeing gender symbols. Each Wikipedia language makes their own decisions. You have to discuss it at the Turkish Wikipedia if you want the gadget to remove this feature. The gadget has a talk page at tr:MediaWiki tartışma:Gadget-HizliBilgi.js but the activity is low. I don't know where else to discuss this at the Turkish Wikipedia. If the feature is removed then it will still be possible to find the gender setting of a user but few people will do it, unless the Turkish Wikipedia adds it in other places. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for all this information. In fact, I also started to a discussion in Wikipedia Turkish but the response that I got is the same here. I mean settings, options etc. No one wants to talk really about the ssence of the matter. In Wikipedia, I have just noticed that there is also no box for whom wants to thick as "non-binary". Many companies have started to add this box in their gender section. I undertand that Wikipedia is more cautious about issues referring to gender poltics and wants to keep the conventional approach. It may be a bit disappointing but that's what we have here. I also didn't understand why gender icon is considered as a local preference. Gender equality is a matter which requires to be defended universally. Anyway I gave up my insistence. Here some things change really so slowly. Anyway, thank you. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 22:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@DemirWikiTR34: The reason for creating the setting is determining how to refer to users with words. The options say (in English):

• Unspecified: Use gender-neutral terms when possible (e.g. "their contributions", "that editor") (default)
• Use feminine terms when possible (e.g. "her contributions")
• Use masculine terms when possible (e.g. "his contributions")

I'm not sure what a single non-binary option would add over unspecified. The gender symbols are an addition made by the Turkish Wikipedia. There are around 1000 Wikimedia wikis at Special:SiteMatrix. I don't know whether other wikis do this. However, there are languages where the word "User" is different for male and female users, and the word automatically changes on user pages. This is done by the MediaWiki software which powers Wikimedia wikis. See e.g. the Spanish user pages es:Usuario:Rotondus (male) versus es:Usuaria:Mel 23 (female). Unspecifed also displays as Usuario. Some female Spanish users might be offended by being called Usuario. Apart from such languages, the gender-setting is not displayed automatically by MediaWiki itself anywhere as far as I know, but local wikis have great freedom to determine local policies and practices in general. Users who know the software well enough can always find the gender setting of somebody. See more at translatewiki:Gender. The English Wikipedia has many options at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Life/Gender#Gender nonconforming for users who want to display something specific on their user page. You can also make your own user box or just write something without a userbox. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

A setting like this, or the options as described, aren't going to satisfy everyone. I don't specify my gender in my preferences because it isn't relevant to my work here. I have been referred to as he/him or she/her. I don't care which, anyone can refer to me by either gender. I do strongly object to being referred to as singular they/them, however. That grammatical affectation always rankled me, so I don't use it myself. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I think that the matter is not about what we prefer. If we consider this issue over us, iy may lead us to wrong outcome. The matter is how the settings' options should be more preferrable for all users without making them feel discriminated or frustrated. Many US universities, organizations and private companies have started to present more choices to their users, applicant regarding gender type. As for me, I marked "male" box because I am a man but I have respect for whom wants to mark "they/their" option which is currently non-exist in "Free" Wikipeadia environment. Calling someone with "they/their" is not gramatically wrong because "they" used to be used for "he, she, it" in a singular forms in many documents up to the end of 19th century in Britain. How "you" has singular and plural form, the situation of "they" was the same for the singular form. We should consider this without our gender approach for the sake of people who wants to express their gender more freely. As for male, female icon, I learned that this setting is not used in Wikipedia English but in Wikipedia Turkish. All sexist icons have already left in many countries. I don't know why Wikipedia Turkish has still kept it. Thank you. DemirWikiTR34 (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia, how do I get better?

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I've been fascinated by this site for a while now and after rewatching The Cryptids of Wikipedia for the fourth or fifth time now, alongside some other Wikipedia based videos, I caved in and made an account to do some editing of my own! I'm wondering how I can improve my Wiki editing skills as well as what to do with my talk page, if there's even a point in editing that Avienby (talk) 09:35, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

One important point, if only informed by your other edit recently, is to never make personal attacks against other editors. Remsense ‥ 论 09:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Understandable, the last thing we need is for hostility to spread on here of all places. Won't make that mistake again. Avienby (talk) 10:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Avienby no, no real point in editing your talk page, though if you end up getting many, many discussions listed on it, you may want to set up an archive bot. For now, don't worry about it. I have some general advice for newbies on my userpage. I'd also suggest joining a wikiproject, if you are interested in any particular topic. Some wikiprojects are very active, some less so, but basically all of them maintain some kind of list of articles, and that can help you find tasks you're interested in. -- asilvering (talk) 21:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Please follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, if you want to get better at editing. Try to do the harder edits like referencing, and you will become a good Wikipedia editor!! Susbush (talk) 13:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Article published or not?

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Hello, I have just published my first page/article... except that I am not sure whether it's been published or I accidentally submitted it twice! One version was a published sandbox which appeared with my username as the article title. Then I tried again, creating this page from a red link: Robert Clinch.

How do I know if it's been submitted properly and is in the revision queue? Thanks! JTCP85 (talk) 09:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks fine to me Avienby (talk) 10:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

thank you for checking JTCP85 (talk) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@JTCP85: Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears you have it in two locations: one at Robert Clinch and the other in your sandbox. You have skipped the Articles for Creation process at this point, so if there are glaring issues, it will be given maintenance tags, sent to draftspace, or deleted in the worst-case scenario. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 10:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

thank you for checking! JTCP85 (talk) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@JTCP85 Your article looks pretty good to me (I'm not a new page reviewer) but you need to beware making statements like Well-suited to his meticulous style, tempera soon became his medium of choice,. Who said Clinch's style was "meticulous", for example? The citation at the end of that sentence doesn't do so. We have very strict requirements for citations in biographies of living people. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

thank you for reviewing, and for the very useful feedback! I'll review this and make sure the comment is supported JTCP85 (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

U.S - Japan trade war

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Should there be an article about the economic relations between the US and Japan during the 1980s where there were trade conflicts over high tech manufacturing like automobiles and semiconductors? This topic is especially relevant give the current trade relationship between the U.S and China. 64.114.211.93 (talk) 10:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have and can summarize independent reliable sources that discuss this topic, and not draw your own conclusions about it, you don't need anyone's permission, go ahead and write it. You may use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft. You may want to first spend time editing existing articles to get a feel for what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

There is some information here Japan–United States relations about that period. Knitsey (talk) 10:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Finding better sources

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hello, I'm currently trying to find better sources so the Kyra Kupetsky article can be fixed (I tried editing it but idk if I did good or not) as well as backup the mascot section of the Daihatsu article I recently added. I included a link to an official Daihatsu site after a link to some ads and other sources didn't work out, any advice on finding better sources? Avienby (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Age of History II

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Draft:Age of History II

Hello, everyone. Delete or add information, please СтасС (talk) 11:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Upon searching the subject on the web, fails WP:GNG. Ahri Boy (talk) 12:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Confusion regarding citations

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Hello wiki people, I'm relatively a new participant here. Sometimes I see articles containing very little coverage or no coverage of citations/ references at all. That's as I read the guidelines against the wiki policy, yet they are there not being removed, although saying notices that it needs additional citations, help to improve it. Just that. But I tried to work on a biography that had quite notable web citations, wet not approved and says might be removed if not improved. Can anybody kindly explain this?

Thanks,

Sujon004 Sujon004 (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft Emma Rozanski does indeed contain many good citations. To establish wp:notability however, references 'about the subject specifically' are usually what is asked for. One or two news articles specifically about her as a person/director or her work as a whole should do it.

Also, I invite you to read wp:other. JackTheSecond (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Sujon004 Welcome! I'll try to give you the general answer. Since WP:s creation about 20 years ago, the "rules" (WP:PAG) has become gradually stricter and more detailed. Also, anyone can start editing without checking the rules. However, rules changing doesn't automatically mean that content changes, someone has to decide to do something about it when they feel like it. en-WP-currently has 117,842 active editors (meaning they did at least 5 edits last 30 days) and 6,889,023 articles, so large parts of WP will go relatively untended a lot of the time. For example, I recently suggested an article for deletion [2], nobody objected, but it had been there for years. This is part of WP:s nature. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

On the specific subject Emma Rozanski, when you write a WP-article, it's not "Emma" in running text, it's "Rozanski". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Sujon004, when you wrote above yet they are there not being removed, that is incorrect. In the first 20 years of Wikipedia, over 500,000 poor quality articles were deleted through the Articles for Deletion process alone, and we also have Speedy deletion and Proposed deletion processes. Volunteers all over the world are working 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to either improve or delete poor quality articles. Please read Deletion of articles on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hurricane Helene 2024 Update

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Hello,

I was involved in the Hurricane Helene storm this past week in South Carolina. I see that not much is said about what has happened but the midlands and upstate of SC got hit harder then Georgia and we are still 90% without power, trees down and this is the worst storm that has hit us since Hugo. How do you update this information? It also hit SC at a Category 1 storm to weaken to a tropical storm around 5:30am. https://www.wyff4.com/article/helene-recovery-updates-damage-south-carolina/62423781 24.182.89.101 (talk) 15:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

You can propose additional information on the talk page of Hurricane Helene but you must cite a reliable source. (I don't know what wyff4 is but your link does not work for me.) Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) IP editor: The Wikipedia Main Page today has a link to our article Hurricane Helene. If you want to suggest updates (from reliable sources) you can do so on its Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

WYFF is a news station in SC it seems, looked it up myself. Stay safe out there OP Avienby (talk) 16:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Full name or acronym?

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When specifying where a link is from in brackets, would I use the full name of the country or the acronym for it?

For example: 'Example Law (US)' or 'Example Law (United States)' Galaxy111 (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations#Acronyms_in_page_titles. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Just to clarify your question on two counts;

• are you talking about a Wiki link, such a ACI or United Airways, where the country of origin becomes abundantly clear once you have digested the contents of the pop-up screen? And are users on mobile devices less likely to benefit from these pop-up boxes, and therefore need more help?
• are you talking about country acronyms such as (It) when you wish to indicate (Italy)?

Unfortunately, the example you gave was for the United States, where (US) or (USA) is internationally recognised. Likewise (UK) is almost as well accepted. But this does not apply to all countries. How many readers would associate (HR) with Croatia?

WendlingCrusader (talk) 12:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions to bring in revenue funds

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Could Wikipedia raise funds by doing the following:

• Publishing a magazine
• Launching a television programme a lá Jeopardy! or or a reality show following editors lifestyles or teaching children like in a PBS show
• Recruiting editors to created subtitles for film/TV media with sponsorships by consumer brands
• Putting on an annual awards show like the TIME100 Impact Awards honoring the most prolific editors
• Offering educational programs in educational institutions

70.26.38.100 (talk) 16:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I suppose it could but, quite frankly, Wikimedia (which runs the various Wikipedias) doesn't need to raise funds. See Wikipedia finances. Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Speculation

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Does Wikipedia secretly teach you to type faster? TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 18:45, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTWOrantula I guess in some way or another Wikipedia can teach you how to type faster. As an example, I personally learned how to touchtype not through the program that primary school forced us to go through, but through the about a decade worth of gaming.

I'd imagine that if you didn't know how to touchtype beforehand and you seriously wanted to get into Wikipedia editing, it'd be a skill you'd pick up fairly quickly solely out of necessity when making larger articles/edits. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

"Kambodsja er fri!" - Norwegian Socialist Song About Khmer Rouge

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Is this notable to make a new article on the encyclopedia? It ended up to be a bit ironic, because the Khmer Rouge was notable for human rights abuses and genocide. Lan Pee (talk) 18:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjtvZiYSho Lan Pee (talk) 18:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

You should check is there are any refers to the song from reliable sources, such as newspapers or music sites. My check didn't show any such reports. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Lan Pee, and welcome to the Teahouse. While there are some special rules for certain types of subject, in most cases "notable" in Wikipedia is not about what the subject is, or does, or says, or creates, but about what has been published about the subject.

The question to answer, usually, is: "Has there been enough material about this subject published to base an article on?", remembering that Wikipedia is only interested in reliably published material (not user media, blogs, wikis, random websites, or user-generated sites like iMDB and Ancestry.com); and for this purpose, Wikipedia is not interested in anything that the subject or people associated with the subject say or want to say.

So in this purpose, you would need to find where people had written about the song, in some depth. ColinFine (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Lan Pee, the notability guideline for songs can be found at WP:NSONG. It is all about the depth of coverage of the song in reliable independent sources. Whether or not the song is controversial or "ironic" is irrelevant. Cullen328 (talk) 21:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Income

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Can i add manually as infobox parameter, annual income of a person? Thanks! Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:03, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Afaict by Template:Infobox person, no. And if you intend to add it to an article, you need to cite a good source for it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:17, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia Aside from the REALLY good PUBLISHED source needed, I can't think of a single reason why that would be appropriate. Uporządnicki (talk) 21:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

money makes the world go round 😊 Joking aside, I think that especially in the infoboxes of politicians there should be the parameter income. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 01:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Pallikari You can suggest it at Template talk:Infobox person. Money can be important (even justifying a separate article:Category:Wealth by individuals), but the infobox is generally for simple, uncontroversial facts covered in the article text, and "income" might not be that at all, depending. Plus in WP-style it would have to be "as of 2022" or whatever can be sourced. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Pallikari We have articles such as salaries of members of the United Kingdom Parliament, since in the UK at least the income for a politician is a set figure. I assume that other countries have similar systems. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I see...indeed there are problems for infobox use. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

How can earn money in Wikipedia

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With you How I can Earn money on Wikipedia Myntrashopper (talk) 19:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Myntrashopper Paid editing is strongly discouraged. Editors for hire have an inherent conflict of interest with their employers, which they must disclose and which limits the editing they can do. —C.Fred (talk) 19:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Myntrashopper, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is that you can't: that's not what Wikipedia is for. ColinFine (talk) 20:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Trying to get a Wikipedia page for our company started but always getting declined

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For context: this was the draft: Draft:KOL (Key Opinion Leaders)

Question: Would any of the experience editors on Teahouse consider getting the page started so there is no conflict of interest? --Koc2a885f (talk · contribs)

I'm not surprised it keeps getting declined. I can find no evidence that the company is notable, in Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense. The draft cites two sources: one is behind a paywall, which is not in itself a problem, but means that I can't judge whether it provides evidence of notability; the other is not independent of the subject, being written by the company's CTO. I tried a Google search for "key opinion leaders", and found nothing about the company. Maproom (talk) 21:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Koc2a885f, the relevant notability guideline is Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) and reviewers are strict about it. I see no evidence that this company meets that guideline. Cullen328 (talk) 21:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay, let me ask a question: Hypothetically, imagine that for example, our company was under siege by a "Corporate Spy Ring", could I create a page for the "Corporate Espionage Operation" itself (not the company being targeted)? Would that be an even relevant enough to merit a wikipedia page? Koc2a885f (talk) 21:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Koc2a885f, you'd then be trying to show that "Corporate Spy Ring" met the guidelines at WP:GNG or WP:NEVENT. So, it's possible, but it would still depend on significant, secondary coverage. -- asilvering (talk) 21:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

"Always" strongly suggests "more than once". Yet Draft:KOL (Key Opinion Leaders) doesn't seem to have been deleted more than once. I wondered about "Draft:Key Opinion Leaders". Yes, this has existed and was deleted, as the creation of "User:NewYorkerChic", which was just another username of an extraordinarily energetic spammer. -- Hoary (talk) 01:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Koc2a885f, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your words "get a Wikipedia page started for our company" sound as if you have a very common misunderstanding, and think that Wikipedia is like social media, a place where you can tell the world about your company. It is not: it is an encyclopaedia

If Wikipedia ever has an article about your company - whoever writes it - the article will not belong to your company, will not be controlled by your company, will not necessarily say what you would like it to say, should be based almost 100% on what people unconnected with your company have published about it, not what the company has said or wants to say, and may be edited by almost anybody in the world except people associated with your company (as they would have conflict of interest). Please see WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Concurrent requested moves on the same page

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There is currently a requested move on Trump International Golf Club (West Palm Beach); while I strongly oppose the current requested move to include the state name, I do think the page should be moved to remove parentheses (for various reasons that I won't mention here so as to not canvass). Is it allowed to have a second requested move on a page that currently has one going on? Unnamed anon (talk) 21:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

No, that will just add a lot of confusion. You can bring up the other question in the move discussion that's already ongoing - a bit messy, but this kind of thing happens all the time. -- asilvering (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

protocol for deleting/merging pages?

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Hi, I'm back. I ran across these two pages while looking through the cleanup list for WP:ALGAE: Chlorophytina and Tetraphytina. The long story short is that based on all sources I can find, the chlorophytina page is incorrect and tetraphytina describes what is actually chlorophytina. (Also, sources on the pages currently are for the most part unhelpful and don't included the name of the groups in them...) I just posted on both Talk pages, but it's unlikely to be a "hot topic" for anyone. And I'm thinking there won't be a big debate around consensus.

I've read WP:DEL, WP:DOM and WP:MAD but as a newbie, I'm not sure I fully understand. It seems like it would fall under this - WP:ATD-M, since they're essentially redundant pages?

Is there a way to submit this? (I know - be bold. But as I've only been around < 1 month, I don't think I have the technical knowhow or understanding at this point.) Cyanochic (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cyanochic, what I would do here is a WP:BLAR from Chlorophytina to Tetraphytina. If there's anything in the Chlorophytina article that you think should be in the other one, you can copy-paste it over (make sure your edit summary is very clear about where you got the original text from, for attribution reasons). -- asilvering (talk) 22:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll give that a read now! Does the fact that the title Chlorophytina is the correct name for the content of the current Tetraphytina page change which page should be blanked? (e.g. Tetraphytina is not an accepted name anywhere AFAICT)

Like should I just copy paste all of Tetraphytina to Chlorophytina, then blank and redirect tetraphytina to chlorophytina? Cyanochic (talk) 23:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see, I misunderstood your initial post - I would do the blank-and-redirect from Tetraphytina to Chlorophytina. Basically, you want the correct information at the correct title. Whichever title is incorrect, that should be redirected to the correct title. If the correct content isn't at the correct title, copy it from the incorrect title (leaving attribution in your edit summary when you do this). Basically, what you're trying to do here is make sure that the correct content is where it belongs, that there is no incorrect content anywhere (except the page history), and that the incorrect title points to the correct title. -- asilvering (talk) 23:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Great thank you so much for your help! Cyanochic (talk) 00:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

If you (or another wonderful helper) is around to check what I've done with setting up the redirect and leaving information, I'd super appreciate it since this is my first time ever setting up any sort of redirect. Relevant pages - Talk:Tetraphytina, Chlorophytina and Talk:Chlorophytina. Cyanochic (talk) 04:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I moved the WP:BLAR notice for you. :) -- asilvering (talk) 15:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I think I misunderstood where it goes. Thank you! Cyanochic (talk) 17:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Worthy Entry - Noob Editor!

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hi all im trying to get traction and a page sorted for local disability campaigner and football club owner who has a documentary coming out on tuesday globally On TNT and Discovery +

The story is inspirational and a wiki page is fully deserved for George to have a place and be notarised on WIKI

can anyone help and expand on this talk, i started in sandbox but im so lame i do minor edits and changes as the world goes by but never really write from scratch

there really is so much to put in too! Talk:George Dowell#George Dowell MBE 2. Barshuts (talk) 23:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

@Barshuts Unfortunately, what you're trying to do is promote this person. People promote things for all sorts of reasons, and that doesn't make them bad people (or advertisers), but any form of promotion is inappropriate for Wikipedia. Editors use a guideline called notability to determine whether a subject merits inclusion in the encyclopedia – basically, if the subject has significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources which are independent from the subject, then it is "notable". There are exceptions to this guideline (which is called WP:GNG), specific to different subjects. Take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (people), and see if the subject meets any of the criteria there. Don't hesitate to ask for more help or guidance – no-one here denies that our guidelines can often be confusing or intimidating. Cheers, Cremastra (talk) 01:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This person is actually likely notable, as they were awarded an MBE on the New Year's honours list, which would seem to meet the first criterion at WP:ANYBIO. There seems to be significant coverage of him. I'm happy to help you create a draft through the Article for Creation process if you want. Cremastra (talk) 01:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

An MBE alone doesn't usually confer notability - that takes a higher-grade OBE or above; see e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Dickson MBE - but the TV documentary does and both together certainly do. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cremastra: How is this promotional? OP makes the case that the subject has already received wider recognition. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

“gain traction” sounds like wanting to promote a person -- NotCharizard ^🗨 11:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Let's have a little AGF and recognize that others might not use our standard terminology. GMG^talk 13:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

The OP wants to get traction and The story is inspirational which comes across as promotional, as NotCharizard said. Cremastra (talk) 11:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

So we Wikipedia editors may only write about things that do not inspire us. Got it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

deleting text versus adding "citation needed"

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A Task Center task took me to the BLP of a notable statistician. I took care of the task but noticed that almost all of the citations are to third-party SPSs (e.g., university webpages, professional organization webpages), contrary to WP:BLPSPS, while other parts of the article's text have no citations. I was able to find a couple of non-SPS sources and will try to reference some of the article's contents to one of those. My question: for article text that I'm unable to find a RS for, is there some policy guiding whether I should delete the text versus adding a "citation needed" tag? Thanks, FactOrOpinion (talk) 00:04, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:BLPRS, contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion. The operative word here would be "contentious". Remsense ‥ 论 00:09, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I'd also add "likely to be private". We don't want, for example, people's date of birth to be in an article unless it's widely known. How can we tell it's widely known? Because (I'm simplifying here) there's a published source that contains that information. A birth date or the name of someone's kids isn't all that likely to be contentious, but that doesn't mean we should keep it around. -- asilvering (talk) 00:45, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Remsense, @Asilvering, the contents doesn't strike me as contentious or private. It's almost all about his professional work. For example, it says "The Mardia Prize (founded by Kantilal Mardia) is awarded by the Royal Statistical Society. This award is given annually/biennially to support interdisciplinary workshops. The aim of these workshops is to bring together statisticians and other science communities who can help in developing new interdisciplinary area and maintain a sustained focus." That needs some copy editing, but the Royal Statistical Society's website confirms it; however, my understanding is that that's considered a SPS. One of the other sources I found confirms that there's a Royal Statistical Society prize called the Mardia prize, but it doesn't include the info about the prize having been founded by Mardia (rather than just named in his honor) or what the aim of the prize is. So that's the kind of thing I'm wondering about. FactOrOpinion (talk) 01:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Some users would still advocate straight-up removal per WP:BURDEN. Cremastra (talk) 01:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

That seems fine as far as contentiousness or privacy would go, which would narrow the question as to whether you feel the material can be verified in a reliable source. If you think it can be, tag it. If not, consider removing it. Remsense ‥ 论 01:03, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, you can just use the self-published source for that, it's fine. They're the ones who would know what their own prize is for. -- asilvering (talk) 01:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

But BLPSPS says "Never use self-published sources ... as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article," and the Royal Statistical Society page wasn't written or published by Mardia, so I didn't think I could use it. FactOrOpinion (talk) 01:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I assure you this kind of reliable source for a simple fact like "won x award" is totally fine. The other information, ie "this award is for... the aim is..." is about the prize, not the person - so BLPSPS doesn't matter for that information. -- asilvering (talk) 01:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering, thank you for clarifying that. FactOrOpinion (talk) 01:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This is far from the fist time I've seen people under that misapprehension. It leads, in some instances, to good content been removed; and new editors being bitten. We need to clarify WP:BLPRS accordingly; done here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Articles undeleted without notice

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I noticed that the articles merged for Articles for deletion/Pilot (Helluva Boss) were reverted by the user Canadienne Comedienne to their pre-deletion state without any notice. All the articles were reverted with the following edit summary: "That discussion was in July 2023 for a less-detailed version of this page; it is May 2024 now, and article has been updated since then, no longer meeting deletion specs." How should this be handled? Treetop-64bit (talk) 06:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Treetop-64bit: CC is blocked as a sock. You may revert their edits if you think that is the best course of action. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Easy edits

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I still count myself as a relatively inexperienced editor with something approaching a thousand edits, but a short while ago I allowed myself to be side-tracked by an 'easy edit' topic that passed under my nose. In the event the article needs a total overhaul (IMO), but I saw two easy improvements and made them. Now I am feeling guilty because they were so easy, perhaps I should have left them in place for another, even more inexperienced editor, to rattle off?

Yes, I am aware that 'Suggested Edits' has three levels and I could apply some filters, but I am also wondering why there isn't an automated process for promoting editors to higher levels of difficulty. On the other hand I have delved into some alleged 'easy edits' that left me totally baffled, either by their complexity, or the fact I could see nothing wrong that needed editing.

I guess I am still learning.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 12:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, can I get a bit more clarification to answer your question? Susbush (talk) 13:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I suppose I was asking the editing community if my experience was normal, and whether experienced editors would apply easy edits if they came across them, or leave them as a learning tool for less experienced editors? The other reply (from @Andy Mabbett) suggests it is not an issue. WendlingCrusader (talk) 13:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

We are not short of needed edits, at any level of complexity. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:21, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

WendlingCrusader, I have been editing Wikipedia for over 15 years, and if I see a situation where an "easy edit" would clearly improve the encyclopedia, I make the edit. The notion of leaving it to a less experienced editor never crosses my mind. Cullen328 (talk) 17:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I need help for making the phonetic usage visible

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i need to make the phonetic usage of the letter Draft:Shha with Cil top visible on the navbox Infobox Cyrillic letter 2.49.60.209 (talk) 14:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Given that Draft:Shha with Cil top has been rejected (not just declined) it is not clear why you are spending time on it, and in particular, why you are spending time on anything other than finding suitable sources to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Adequate sources are the only thing that might cause @NoobThreePointOh to reconsider the rejection. ColinFine (talk) 19:53, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Is this vandalism?

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Two IP editors - probably the same person - have been making misleading and uncited edits to a number of pages recently. Sometimes this person reverts their own edit, other times another editor gets there first. They have been warned about this behaviour.

Should this be reported as vandalism?

Special:Contributions/82.4.208.76

Special:Contributions/148.252.144.117

Bob (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a constant background noise of anonymous editors engaging in sporadic, often invisible, and seemingly inscrutable edits—I kind of like it, it's a nice reminder that millions of people use this resource every day—and that I will never, ever understand what technical, personal, or editorial circumstances inform much of their behavior as recorded in page histories. Since vandalism is hurting the encyclopedia in bad faith, there is often not a meaningful answer to that question. I call this "gray-faith editing", when given my very narrow perspective, I can't really WP:AGF for an editor because I do not understand the pattern of edits enough to assume anything. It's like a few edits dashed off by a Boltzmann brain. Remsense ‥ 论 14:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I have a photo of my Father “Canadian “ whom served in WW2” Also my Mother also served in WW2”

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Canadians that came home to Canada 🇨🇦 in or after WW2 2605:8D80:462:1A58:7000:9BC7:62D1:F60 (talk) 16:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! Do you have a question about anything Wikipedia-related? SirMemeGod  17:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Can I request feedback

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The article was reviewed multiple times, initially accepted but later unreviewed and nominated for deletion, despite improvements. The nominator claims notability issues, it is relisted with no external comment, See Nasib Piriyev. I came here because it happened before on articles I created, and discussions were closed as Soft Deletion. 12eeWikiUser (talk) 18:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@12eeWikiUser, you've done your part already, and there's nothing more to be done here. Other editors will weigh in about whether the subject is notable or not. There's no amount of improvement that can fix an article if the subject isn't notable. However, until you get the hang of how notability works on wikipedia, when you're writing future articles, I would suggest using fewer sources and keeping mostly to what can be said about the subject of the article. Experienced editors look at an article about an "entrepreneur" with this many references and immediately think "WP:REFBOMB". -- asilvering (talk) 18:20, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering, this is helpful, thanks for the feedback. Let me keep improving and will do better in future articles. 12eeWikiUser (talk) 18:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 12eeWikiUser. I have just commented on the deletion discussion, but I will expand that here, because I suspect it is the problem you have had all along. Not one of the sources you link to in that discussion contains significant coverage off Piriyev, and so none of them contributes in any way to establishing that he is notable in Wikipedia's sense.

You need to look critically at all sources, and check that they meet all three of the criteria in WP:42. Only if they do will they contribute at all to establishing notability. ColinFine (talk) 20:12, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Is there any category

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Is there any categories tracking all the pages that are using {{GBurl}}?
also is there any categories that are tracking all pages that are using the whole google book url starting with books.google.com? ––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

You're in luck! You can see the list of pages that transclude any given template at Special:WhatLinksHere: in your case see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Google Books URL. Remsense ‥ 论 18:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for helping me out with that. is there any way we can trace external links like books.google.com. ––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Would a search for [insource:"books.google.com"] work for you? Like this one? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

 Thanks mates for helping me out, shall learn a lot more in upcoming days from you. ––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I had to double-check, but we do indeed have Special:LinkSearch/books.google.com that does what you want! Remsense ‥ 论 18:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Semantic Brand Score Page Creation

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Hi everybody. I am struggling to get this article accepted and I am stuck. I have answered several comments and made edits, but would love the help of an experienced editor to know how to move forward: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Semantic_Brand_Score. The last comment is about the unavailabilty of reliable secondary sources, but there are so many, even listed in the talk page of the article, so I don't know what to do next. WarmKomorebi (talk) 19:13, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Without looking at your sources, I find it surprising that of your fourteen citations in the draft, and thirteen on the Talk page, only one contains the phrase "Semantic brand score" in its title. This causes me to wonder how many of them have significant coverage of the concept, as opposed to mentioning it in passing. ColinFine (talk) 20:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

All these works use the metric, not just mention it. Then there are many other papers citing the metric but not really using it, which are not listed as secondary sources. 109.54.163.39 (talk) 20:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Temperature chart

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What is the difference in "Mean Maximum", "Mean Daily Maximum" and "Daily Mean"? 38.94.112.73 (talk) 19:24, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

This page is for help with editing Wikipedia. I suggest you ask your question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Mathematics. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:35, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

The context is the climate sections in Wikipedia articles about cities, I presume. Without getting into advanced math, you can get a better understanding by reading Mean and Average. In simplified terms, "mean" is the most common form of mathematical "average". So think of these fields as "average maximum temperature" and "average daily maximum temperature" and "Daily average temperature". I visited Alaska a few months ago, and these charts were very useful for understanding the typical weather in various Alaskan cities in June. Cullen328 (talk) 19:40, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

How to change the icon for the "Buddhism portal"

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Hello, I am the creator of Portal:Buddhism.

I've noticed that when adding a link to the Buddhism portal on a webpage, there is automatically a white dharma wheel to the left of the link.

I'm considering possibly changing this image to a yellow-colored one, to make it more visible to light-mode viewers.

How can I change this file? Zoozoor (talk) 22:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)