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Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/WikiProject used AfC submission Hello there! Could I get a hand with this draft? Draft:Pinus Rubinstein. Let me know what you think. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) Adding "Dina d'malkhuta dina" to Template:Halakha Hi all! We should probably add the article Dina d'malkhuta dina to the navbox {{Halakha}}. But which row of the navbox should we add it to? All the best, —Unforgettableid (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2015 (UTC) Is there any other option but "Halakhic principles"? Debresser (talk) 06:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC) That's the right place, all right. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2015 (UTC) Category:Esther and Category:History of Purim After a recent CFD which was seen as confusing and insensitive, I have WP:BOLDly restructured these categories somewhat, and trust that members of this WIkiProject and other editors will now find them more useful for navigation. I left notes on the category talk pages about my actions. – Fayenatic London 10:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC) I think that the category Category:History of Purim is being used incorrectly. Instead of gathering articles about the "history of Purim", it is about "Purim throughout history". I think this should be fixed, or the category tagged for speedy deletion as recreation of a deleted category. Debresser (talk) 09:42, 8 July 2015 (UTC) Which deleted category was that? I note that Category:History of Hanukkah, currently the only sibling in Category:History of Jewish holy days, is used the same way. @IZAK: what do you think, as at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 30#Category:Esther you seemed to be wanting just such a "Purim throughout history" category? Indeed, at least one of the pages that I added was prompted by your comments there. – Fayenatic London 08:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC) I removed that part about a deleted category. If Category:History of Hanukkah is used in the same way, both should be renamed or deleted, IMHO. Debresser (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2015 (UTC) @Debresser: Hanukka and Purim have no "history"? IZAK (talk) 11:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC) @IZAK: I think the clarification being suggested is between articles related to the origin of a holy day, and articles touching on the subsequent celebration or references to the holy day throughout history. No-one is saying that history does not exist, but that the category name "history of" is ambiguous. – Fayenatic London 15:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC) "God and Satan" The usage and primary topic of God and Satan is under discussion, see talk:God and Satan (song) -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 06:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC) link spam alert I don't have time to sort through all of these, but User:LiaElbaz, User:Andrea_LM_Moo, and User:173.9.42.77 are adding links to the Yiddish Book center to every article possible. It's clearly a concerted spamming effort for the YBC. While it may be appropriate in some cases, it's clearly not in most. See Special:Contributions/LiaElbaz, Special:Contributions/Andrea_LM_Moo, and Special:Contributions/173.9.42.77 and revert the ones that are inappropriate. --Bachrach44 (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC) Perhaps Malik would care to drop the first to the same warning he left the IP. Debresser (talk) 22:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC) Hi. The IP warranted that warning because of the extensive editing it did at the Yiddish Book Center article. I found that WikiProject Spam has already started an investigation into this (see WT:WikiProject Spam#yiddishbookcenter.org). LiaElbaz had already been warned and notified about the investigation. I warned Andrea LM Moo and notified her. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Sorry to disagree with @Bachrach44. Yiddish Book Centre is repository of Yiddish texts, and links to it are not spam, but a useful source of reference. I intend to restore the links. (I have no connection whatsoever with YBC, but I do read and write Yiddish.) --Redaktor (talk) 04:56, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Hi Redaktor. I agree with you about the importance of the YBC and my own view is that the usefulness of external links is usually a question for the regular editors of each article to consider. On the other hand, it's absolutely inappropriate for the YBC to have its employees or interns edit our article about the book center to the point that it seems promotional, or to add hundreds of external links to Wikipedia articles that link to their website. That violates our conflict of interest guidelines and may be grounds for being blocked or even banned. — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 05:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC) I agree with Malik here. These editor add many links, and there is a real suspicion that they are adding or will add more links to this one website than our external links guidelines condone. Debresser (talk) 09:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC) It's a fine line, to be sure. It seems to me that if the YBC has particular collections related to a certain topic, the link is appropriate. If not, not. And editing the page on the YBC itself is quite problematic. This same collection of users has been active in the last two weeks at yiwiki, too, and I notified an administrator there. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Please note that the links to the main yiddishbookcenter.org website that the editors have been adding as part of their contributions are simple linkspam and inappropriate (eg "at the Yiddish Book Center's"), other than as an official website link for Yiddish Book Center. As far as the links go, if they are not about the subject of the article, they probably don't belong. I've been looking for a good example of such an article, but have yet to find one. Links to interviews are generally not appropriate in a well-referenced biography, but helpful in a stub or very brief article. --Ronz (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC) Even if they are about the subject, wikipedia is still not a directory of links. The article on Hanukkah does not need a link to every webpage about Hanukkah on the internet. Just because YBC has a page on a given subject does not mean we have to link to it. Yes, they're a wonderful repository of information, but so are hundreds of other websites. There is nothing about the YBC that makes me think we should include a link to their page on Hanukkah and not Chabad, Aish, JDC, jewfaq, history.com, and the other 11 million sites that comes up when I google Hanukkah. The same could be said for many pages they've added links to. --Bachrach44 (talk) 19:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC) There is at least one general case where such links should be included: Notable Yiddish novels like Wandering Stars (novel) (per WP:ELYES and WP:NONENGEL. It would be helpful if people can identify other cases where the links should definitely be kept, or at least be considered for retention (beyond stub articles). --Ronz (talk) 17:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC) Marcheshvan or cheshvan Whether the Hebrew calendar article should use Cheshvan or Marcheshvan? There is some tentative consensus on the talkpage, but there are only 3 editors on the talkpage, and we want clearer consensus. Please comment. Debresser (talk) 18:23, 18 July 2015 (UTC) "Did You Know" nomination for Keturah article Hi. I recently got Keturah promoted to "Good Article" status — and since newly promoted Good Articles are eligible for the "Did You Know" corner of Wikipedia's main page, I nominated it, and it will most likely get accepted for DYK soon. I would like to request some feedback regarding the "hook" for this article (the "hook" is the pithy one-liner, answering the question "Did you know that...?" in the DYK section). The hook I initially proposed was Did you know ... that Keturah, the woman Abraham married after the death of Sarah, has been called "the most ignored significant person in the Torah"? This is a quote by a contemporary biblical scholar, Richard Elliott Friedman. The possible problem I see here is that I fear many non-Jews are not familiar with the term "Torah", and for this reason they may be confused by the above hook. So I proposed the following alternate hook: Did you know ... that Keturah, the woman Abraham married after the death of Sarah, has been called "the most ignored significant person in the Hebrew scriptures"? Although I am not a Jew, I do understand that "Hebrew scriptures" includes, but is not the same as, the Torah. So, although I do think the alternate hook may be more accessible to a general readership, I'm still concerned that it might not be acceptable because it simply isn't what the cited scholar said. What do people here think about this? And if you do have a strong opinion, one way or the other, could you please go to the DYK nomination page at Template:Did you know nominations/Keturah and express your view on which of the two hooks ought to be used? Thanks. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 17:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC) I think the word Torah is rather well known in English. Still, I think that Hebrew Scriptures is perfectly acceptable. Debresser (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your feedback. The Keturah article was featured in the "Did you know?" section of Wikipedia's main page on 22 July 2015. The hook chosen by the editors running "Did you know?" was: Did you know ... that Keturah, the woman Abraham married after the death of Sarah, has been called "the most ignored significant person" in the Hebrew Bible? Approximately 8,100 people viewed the Keturah article on the day it was listed in the "Did you know?" section. — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 21:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC) Wonderful. Thanks for the update. Debresser (talk) 11:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Category:People excommunicated by synagogues I just came across this category. Most of the entries are Hasidic dynasty pages. What is going on here? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 19:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC) These were recently added by J R Gainey (talk · contribs). I removed a few of them with the explanation "This category is for people, not denominations". By the way, I nominated his category Category:Hasidic communities displaced, diminished, or destroyed by the Holocaust for deletion or discussion here. Debresser (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC) "Abraham Isaac Kook" Article Is there an experienced editor fluent in English and Hebrew, who knows how to properly add the critically important supporting document and picture citation links presented on the talk page, to the article page? Ksavyadkodesh (talk) 22:38, 24 August 2015 (UTC) Jewishencyclopedia.com (the Jewish Encyclopedia) and newadvent.org WP:Reliable sources? Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Are jewishencyclopedia.com (the Jewish Encyclopedia) and newadvent.org WP:Reliable sources?. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 (talk) 06:14, 26 August 2015 (UTC)