Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 10

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 10, 2024.

Factory owner

• Factory owner → Businessperson  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Comparing the current target of this redirect, the former targets Bourgeoisie and Means of production, and Factory which doesn't seem to mention "owner(s)" ... it does not seem that there is a specific article readers may be attempting to locate when searching this phrase. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Another potential target is business magnate, which is where industrialist points. - Eureka Lott 00:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak retarget to business magnate as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Industrialist. I wouldn't be opposed to disambiguation though as while I think the other suggests are less likely they aren't completely implausible. Thryduulf (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hummingbird Salamander (film)

• Hummingbird Salamander (film) → Lists of Netflix original films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Another failed WP:CRYSTAL based on Netflix acquiring rights to make a film (in 2017), but then nothing really found in third party search engines after that. Seems as though the film would have been based on the subject at Hummingbird Salamander; however, the aforementioned article currently does not contain information about a film, leaving it currently a "not-so-good" target to retarget this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. We don't seem to have any relevant information to point to. Thryduulf (talk) 08:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Dorothy & Alice

• Dorothy & Alice → Lists of Netflix original films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dorothy & Alice (film) → Lists of Netflix original films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dorothy and Alice → Lists of Netflix original films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dorothy and Alice (film) → Lists of Netflix original films  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems like failed WP:CRYSTAL. Per third party search engines, looks as though Netflix acquired rights to produce a film by this name, but then ... not finding anything else on third party search engines. In addition, the only place where the phrase "Dorothy & Alice" is mentioned on Wikipedia is Allelon Ruggiero, but not in the content of the article but rather a reference. Steel1943 (talk) 23:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. "Dorothy and Alice" gets two uses in article space, but neither relate to a film, neither obviously primary over the other, and while both could anchor a redirect as a {{R to list entry}} neither strike me as necessary, especially given the ambiguity between them and the lack of significant information. The uses are at Itamar Moses#Works (where he is listed as the playwright of the 2001 short play) and List of shipwrecks in 1782#12 August where it is noted only that a British ship of this name was "driven ashore at Deal, Kent." Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment: @Steel1943: I've removed duplicates of the same nom entries, unless there are others of the same line! Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

...Which I have reverted per my edit summary on my revert. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nominator and Thryduulf. Checking through the page histories of both titles, they were created on this way in 2020. Four years down the line, nothing has been added or created to be noteworthy (maybe I could create them in the future, who knows?), it is to me implausible to keep this any longer. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The Waffle House has found its new host

• The Waffle House has found its new host → Waffle House#Cultural icon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I have not found a mention of the "new host" thing in the target article, though I had first learned about it from a MatPat video a while ago. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 21:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep I added a properly cited mention to the section. 👍 Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per Ca. Thryduulf (talk) 09:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep now that a sourced mention has been added. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs)

EMBO journal & reports

• EMBO journal & reports → The EMBO Journal  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

XY redirect. The subject is The EMBO Journal or EMBO Reports, not both. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• I want to say delete, as what little content this page previously had is reflected in the current, separate articles, and the old references are broken links to the Nature website. However, I vaguely remember there being licensing reasons to keep old page histories for attribution. Retarget to European Molecular Biology Organization#Conferences and journals may be the way to go if that's right. ― Synpath 04:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

  There's nothing in that redirect's history that was ported over the other articles. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:19, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

  Taking another look, I see that now - striking retarget suggestion and delete. Thanks ― Synpath 16:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further thoughts on the page history?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 12:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• The history should be merged to EMBO Reports. It seems to fit cleanly there. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as ambiguous. However nothing in the redirect appears to be copied to other articles? Still, I don't know much about guidelines regarding histmerges, so I don't have any opinions of it. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge history or simply delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Merge history and delete: the title which is listed here at RFD is implausible and ambiguous, but the target title best describes the info of these two titles. Intrisit (talk) 19:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Barood (2003 film)

• Barood (2003 film) → Munin Barua  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

If this film does exist, should probably "Delete per WP:REDYES". Either way, it's a bit misleading and WP:UNDUE and WP:SURPRISEing that this film redirect targets one of potentially multiple notable people that could be associated with the film. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

For a while after I nominated this redirect, I was thinking this redirect may represent a WP:HOAX, but ... it seems the only source I could find about the subject of this redirect is https://letterboxd.com/film/barood-2003/watch/ . I could not find any other sources, but the subject of the redirect definitely seems to represent a different subject than Barood (2004 film). Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nominator. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Terrible Secret of Space

• Terrible Secret of Space → All your base are belong to us  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Original page covered a non-notable meme and was redirected in a 2005 VfD to The Laziest Men on Mars, who wrote music that was a popular bit of the meme. That page was itself redirected to All your base are belong to us in 2023 ([1]). The end result is that this page for a non-notable meme now redirects to an entirely different meme. Technically this is "mentioned" on Eye Drops but given the lack of content on that page I think it's unlikely to be useful as a redirect and recommend deletion. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 20:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nominator. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm pretty sure the original meme was less of a meme and more of the name for the classic Something Awful shibboleth that went "Q: Do you have stairs in your house? A: I am protected." See: [2]. The closest link to All Your Base is that Something Awful was one of the first internet groups to really popularize that meme as well, which isn't really a link at all. I would alternatively support a retarget to Something Awful if and only if a WP:RS can be found discussing the shibboleth I mentioned and the information added to that article... it really is a significant and notable feature of Something Awful forum culture, but it would have to be referenced to be used, and somehow I doubt there are any reliable sources (unless that know your meme link I just provided counts?) Fieari (talk) 02:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• WP:KYM is not a good source, no. Also, Delete per nom. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Papa Emeritus 2

• Papa Emeritus 2 → Tobias Forge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Papa Emeritus redirects to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus section and already covers Papa Emeritus II.

I wonder if the initially capitalized redirect contradicts with Papa emeritus (Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus). LEILA FERRAZ (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus. Either way, the use of "2" makes it seem as though it does not/could not refer to Bishops in the Catholic Church#Pope emeritus. Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep or Retarget to Ghost (Swedish band)#Papa Emeritus per Steel1943. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTION

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTION → Wikipedia:Trivial mentions  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Wikipedia:TRIVIALMENTIONS → Wikipedia:Trivial mentions  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Usually, people are looking for WP:TRIVIAL, which has seen more attention, has more information, and details guidelines instead of just restating them. While searching these redirects will probably include the target page as a result even without this redirect, it will not bring out WP:TRIVIAL. Thus, I think it'll be most helpful to navigation to retarget both of these redirects to WP:TRIVIAL.

I've also talked about the confusion a bit on the article creator's talk page. I believe that this is a good compromise instead of using a hatnote as I've previously advocated for. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand the request. WP:TRIVIAL is a redirect, and redirecting WP:TRIVIALMENTION there would create a double redirect. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Of course, I mean retargetting it to where that redirect points to. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep/No Change: Currently, WP:TRIVIALMENTION is a redirect to the essay called "Wikipedia:Trivial mentions", which clearly makes sense. This redirect has been used int his way for more than a decade, and changing it would break the redirect in archived discussions. WP:TRIVIAL is a fine redirect, but doesn't discuss trivial mentions, and we shouldn't conflate the two. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Shooterwalker. Thryduulf (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I don't see any evidence people using these shortcuts are doing so with the expectation they're linking to the ATA section instead of the essay. There are ~725 uses of these combined across Wikipedia, and it seems worse to change intended targeting in historical discussions than potentially correct for mistakes I didn't find in spot checking those uses. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 20:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Generally appropriate. Projectspace shortcuts may be, and very often are, ambiguous. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Emigration from North Korea

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17#Emigration from North Korea

Carpenters

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Carpenters → Carpentry  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I reverted a bold change of target from Carpentry to The Carpenters, but the idea deserves discussion. A disambiguation page is also an option. What do others think? Certes (talk) 11:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Disamb makes the most sense, the terms seem co-primary for this redirect. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn:, please embolden your "Disamb" word so as to help the closer decide the cumulative outcome of this entry. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Carpenter (disambiguation) which already covers the plural. Thryduulf (talk) 12:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I came here undecided but support that option. The two most likely meanings are (perhaps fortuitously) right at the top of the dab. Certes (talk) 13:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to disambig (if we keep it at all). It's easy to link to either Carpenter or The Carpenters, there's no need for this to be there to support one in particular as any sort of 'convenience' or 'clarity' redirect. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, based on how this is actually being used. There are currently 41 articles linking to the page, and I checked them all. Each one refers to the profession, not the musical group. The hatnote should suffice for anyone who's confused. - Eureka Lott 00:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  It's actually being used in this way because any other use would be careless and we have (mostly) diligent editors. I check daily for new links to "Carpenters" which refer to the musical duo and mend them. Others will have fixed similar errors before I spotted them, and of course we will never know how many editors considered using "Carpenters", checked where that link led, then chose a better target without publishing an incorrect link. Certes (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for providing that context and for diligently repairing those links. That's an impressive level of dedication! You've only had to fix 14 mainspace links in 3½ years, though, so it doesn't look like there's a problem with the current situation. - Eureka Lott 10:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per Eureka Lott. Steel1943 (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per the above two users' assertions and is an {{R from plural}}-worthy title. Intrisit (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Eureka's diligent check of 41 incoming pages. Jay 💬 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Nicktoons (TV network)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation). Jay 💬 14:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Nicktoons (TV network) → Nicktoons (American TV channel)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This title is a bit considerable considering the international versions of Nicktoons. But I'll also consider the other side of it towards deletion if the title is unmerited now. What do you think? Intrisit (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per Thryduulf (who also fixed the hatnote on Nicktoons to point to the disambiguation page which I was intending to do as well). Skynxnex (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) per Thryduulf. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 16:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Nicktoons (TV channel)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation). Jay 💬 14:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Nicktoons (TV channel) → Nicktoons (American TV channel)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This title is ambiguous considering the international versions of it so it could be a DAB page. American Wikipedians may dispute this; that's why I've listed it here, since this title hasn't hasn't fallen into one before. Intrisit (talk) 11:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - Per nominator TheNuggeteer (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 12:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per Thryduulf. Skynxnex (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per above. This is exactly why we have this DAB page in the first place. Fieari (talk) 02:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to Nicktoons (disambiguation) per Thryduulf. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 16:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

㌽

• ㌽ → wiktionary:Special:Search/㌽  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Why would the English Wikipedia redirect to non-English Wiktionary entries? Fram (talk) 10:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Eh? The target is an English Wiktionary entry. Thryduulf (talk) 11:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Wiktionary entries for non-English words or terms. Wiktionary starts with the languages an entry is in (the heading), and the only such heading here is "Japanese". For comparison, the entry for "bread"[3] has headings "English", "Middle English", "Old English", and "Spanish", so that is an English Wiktionary entry. Fram (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Because English Wiktionary explains in English the meaning of the Japanese word that forms the character. I don't know that there is any exact meaning of point (disambiguation) that is represented by ㌽, so I leave the readers to find out what works in their case. --Error (talk) 11:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

But why would we have redirects to explain words in other languages? We could add millions of redirects if we do this, for every word in every language. Fram (talk) 12:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep. We have articles and redirects for characters (not words), because people want to know what they mean and look them up in Wikipedia. In this case the English Wiktionary entry is better than anything we have locally, so the soft redirect is the most helpful to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Why would we allow redirects for foreign-language characters because people want to know what they mean, but not for words because people want to know what they mean? What makes characters so special? Fram (talk) 12:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Because characters and words are not the same thing. The reason we don't have redirects for foreign words is expressed best at WP:RFOREIGN, those considerations don't occur for single characters. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

That's a non-answer if ever I saw one. Why A and not B? "A and B are not the same, and here we explain why not B". Well yes, but you argue to keep A, and don't give a reason why the arguments would be different. Further, the page you list to is about internal redirects, not about redirects to Wiktionary or the like. You also claim that "those considerations don't occur for single characters", but most of the arguments in the "Rationale" section of that page apply just as well to single characters. Fram (talk) 12:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

To editor Fram:: Is your objection to redirects to Wiktionary, redirects from non-Latin characters or redirects from CJK characters? --Error (talk) 14:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirects from characters, words, ... not in use in English and without an article here. Fram (talk) 14:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

is there a reason the target is a search, and not the thing that would be searched? if not, retarget to wikt:㌽. otherwise, keep cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

That's how interwiki soft redirects work (my guess is that it's so that you get search results rather than an error if the target page doesn't exist, but you get taken to the page if it does) so your suggested retarget is the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 21:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you please wait before you create more similar redirects. You have now added ㍀ and ㍁, but if this one gets created, then adding more of the same onbly creates more work afterwards. Fram (talk) 12:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment There are tens of thousands of Han characters/Kanji. Is the plan to redirect all of them (or at least the reasonably common ones) to Wiktionary entries? What about characters in other scripts, or words in other languages? I actually agree that there is some value to a reader, however if you search for a Han character (arbitrary example) on Wikipedia, the corresponding Wiktionary entry will already appear in the search results on the side under the heading "Word definitions from Wiktionary". If the desire is to make the link to Wiktionary more prominent, that could be done much more efficiently with a few lines of CSS or JS instead of creating thousands of redirect entries. Just my 2¢. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I realize that the entry above is not Kanji but rather a "square katakana" symbol, of which Unicode has only ~100, but I think the general reasoning may still apply. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 15:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

There are some kanji categorized as Category:Kanji, Category:Kyōiku kanji. I think that Category:Simplified Chinese radicals‎ and Category:Kangxi radicals list most of the radicals. There are few redirects there, either because they don't exist or they are not categorized. Category:Specific_kana lists all of them, it seems. Picking one at random, ra has seven redirects from specific Unicode characters, all of them seem reasonable to me. --Error (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Delete This is a Unicode 'codepoint', but it is not in any normal sense a "character"; in fact it is plainly a word - ポイント - consisting of four characters. These "block" things are a legacy typographical kludge, not a normal part of the Japanese writing system. Imaginatorium (talk) 04:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - Wiktionary explains what this character is and how it is used, and it does so in English. We have the information, we should point to it. Fieari (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Strictly speaking this is not true: Wiktionary does not describe this "character" (it isn't a character), nor how it is used. For example it does not mention that in vertical writing (where I suspect such use may be more common) the four elements of the character-space, written l-r, t-b, would be ン　ポ　ト　イ (because actually they would have to be written t-b, r-l). In other words the actual appearance shown in the Unicode CJK compatibility box is not necessarily how the "character" would appear in actual use. And there is no obvious evidence of this "character" actually being in use [as opposed to "mention"] in an Internet search. If there is an established principle that WP does not provide links to Wikt for just any foreign word, the argument for needing a redirect for non-standard representations of such words strikes me as infinitely weak. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Changing !vote to Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps below. An on-wiki redirect is significantly preferable to a cross-wiki one. Fieari (talk) 23:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to CJK Compatibility for the reasons Imaginatorium brings up. Opposed to deletion however since the character is covered in the English WP. Nickps (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by "covered". Is the J word ポイント "covered"? Actually I think that of course it is (just about) acceptable to describe (non-)characters like this in an article about obscure features of Unicode, but it is also OK to have an article on the Hungarian language - but this does not mean that just any Hungarian word should redirect to it. And yes, this (non-)character appears on web pages, but I can only find it on dictionary and similar pages, where it is often just some sort of redirect. Challenge: can you find a single use of this (non-)character in use in a document on the Web? Imaginatorium (talk) 16:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

  "Covered" means that the character U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO is explained in CJK Compatibility. CJK Compatibility is a Unicode block containing square symbols (both CJK and Latin alphanumeric) encoded for compatibility with East Asian character sets. Therefore, someone who searched for "㌽" now knows why it exists. That's a helpful redirect. Your argument would make sense if the nominated redirect was ポイント, but it's not. It is entirely possible that someone who puts "㌽" in the search box actually wants to know about the Unicode character itself and not about the Japanese word wikt:ポイント.

  PS: Noncharacter has a specific meaning as far as Unicode is concerned. U+333D is not a "noncharacter". Nickps (talk) 16:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to CJK Compatibility per Nickps and other discussions on Unicode symbols. CJK Compatibility also helpfully links the character to the Wictionary entry in case a user needs further clarification on what the symbol means. ― Synpath 03:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget to CJK Compatibility#Block, which seems to be the best of choices more preferable than the current target. Whether or not every such character should have such a redirect is a larger question to be addressed elsewhere (if it has been, I am unaware). — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Search considers ㌽ and ポイント to be interchangeable. Therefore, currently Special:Search/ポイント leads to ㌽. Therefore, I propose that if this RfD closes as retarget per my !vote, regular ポイント is created as a crosswiki to wiktionary:Special:Search/ポイント. I consider this a case of WP:SMALLDETAILS. Nickps (talk) 11:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  But this seems to show up the absurdity of this whole mess. If ポイント should have a redirect, surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect? じゃないの? Imaginatorium (talk) 11:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  surely every other Japanese word should also have a redirect. Not really, only the ones that have associated Unicode characters. The redirects from individual Unicode characters are useful. Apart from what I've already said above, consider {{unichar}} which links to the character page if an empty |nlink= parameter is passed to it. U+333D ㌽ SQUARE POINTO works fine right now. Why break it? On the other hand, yes, keeping the redirect creates a pretty astonishing result for anyone who searches regular ポイント. But we don't need to delete to fix that; creating ポイント also works. I think the usefulness of the ㌽ redirect is enough to warrant the WP:RFOREIGN exception I'm asking for here. Nickps (talk) 12:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD

• Template:WikiProject Open Access/OAFD → Wikipedia:WikiProject Open/Open access task force/Open Access File of the Day  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Cross namespace redirect that existed for 22 minutes. Gonnym (talk) 10:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Template → Wikipedia CNRs are uncommon but only problematic if transcluding the target would be harmful in some way (or it conflicts with something else). In this case it's not harmful (transclusion works fine) and it doesn't appear to be in the way of anything else. That said it isn't transcluded anywhere and I can't think of a reason why it would be transcluded (unlike {{OAFD}}). Ultimately I think I'm neutral. Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Druisk

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 17#Druisk