::Please, I wish people would stop trying to apply WP behavior guidelines such as BEANS, DFTT, DENY, etc. to the subjects of our articles. Real world notability is real world notability. [[User:The Hero of This Nation|The Hero of This Nation]] ([[User talk:The Hero of This Nation|talk]]) 01:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::Please, I wish people would stop trying to apply WP behavior guidelines such as BEANS, DFTT, DENY, etc. to the subjects of our articles. Real world notability is real world notability. [[User:The Hero of This Nation|The Hero of This Nation]] ([[User talk:The Hero of This Nation|talk]]) 01:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::You're misreading the comments; I, for one, am saying this is simply not notable at the moment (and hopefully never will be). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::You're misreading the comments; I, for one, am saying this is simply not notable at the moment (and hopefully never will be). [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] [[User talk:Physchim62|(talk)]] 02:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Just because some highly paid people of apparent importance have work schedules so light that they can take the time to speak out against such a non-event as this doesn't mean said non-event is notable. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] ([[User talk:Golbez|talk]]) 02:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
: '''Strong oppose''' for now. if however any violent retaliation occurs I could be persuaded to change my mind. No matter how crazy this event is a violent reaction would be unacceptable behavior IMO.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 22:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
: '''Strong oppose''' for now. if however any violent retaliation occurs I could be persuaded to change my mind. No matter how crazy this event is a violent reaction would be unacceptable behavior IMO.--[[User:Wikireader41|Wikireader41]] ([[User talk:Wikireader41|talk]]) 22:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
::Wait for a notable response...probably a few KFCs will be burned down or something, but only if there's major retaliation. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 00:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
::Wait for a notable response...probably a few KFCs will be burned down or something, but only if there's major retaliation. '''[[User:Spencer|<span style="color:#082567">Spencer</span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">T♦</span>]][[User talk:Spencer|<span style="color:#FFBF00">C</span>]]</sup> 00:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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PastorTerry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center agrees to call off the Koran burning in return for the Park51 community center being relocated, though those associated with Park51 have stated no such agreement exists. (BBC), (MSNBC)
PastorTerry Jones later reassesses his position after he claimed that he received incorrect information that the Park51 community center would be relocated. (CNN), (The Wall Street Journal)
There is an explosive upsurge of condemnations of this event by global leaders: the Vatican, Ban Ki-moon, Hillary Clinton, Angela Merkel in the last 24 hours alone. With three more days until the book burning is to take place I can only see this story moving in one direction. __meco (talk) 21:42, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Only if something massive happens in retaliation, which I doubt. This is so much of a non-issue that I'm really disappointed that world leaders have given it so much attention. If they hadn't said jack, no one would care. --Golbez (talk) 21:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
*sigh* Again we have an editor who opines on what should be featured based on how the world ought to react to a would-be non-event simply blocking out the fact that the world is rising up in uproar. This is becoming a trend. This is no way to administer In The News... __meco (talk) 21:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
I'm not sure what your statement here is; "to a would-be non-event"? Yes, it's a non-event unless an event happens. The burning of a book is not typically an event. A bombing in retaliation is an event, but people opining about a non-event is, in itself, a non-event. --Golbez (talk) 21:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Put another way, the story some tim ago was not the cartoons of Muhammad - it was the violent reaction to them. It is premature to consider putting this up unless there's an actual reaction to it. Burning a commonly available item is not really ITN worthy, no matter how many news sources and famous people pipe up about it. --Golbez (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Strong oppose and article should be nuked as well. Since when did the actions of a bunch of bigots in Florida become an "International Burna a Koan Day"? The idea is almost as pathetic as the act itself. Physchim62(talk)22:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Please, I wish people would stop trying to apply WP behavior guidelines such as BEANS, DFTT, DENY, etc. to the subjects of our articles. Real world notability is real world notability. The Hero of This Nation (talk) 01:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Just because some highly paid people of apparent importance have work schedules so light that they can take the time to speak out against such a non-event as this doesn't mean said non-event is notable. --Golbez (talk) 02:12, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Strong oppose for now. if however any violent retaliation occurs I could be persuaded to change my mind. No matter how crazy this event is a violent reaction would be unacceptable behavior IMO.--Wikireader41 (talk) 22:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Wait for a notable response...probably a few KFCs will be burned down or something, but only if there's major retaliation. SpencerT♦C00:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Nominator's rationale is convincing; opposition based on desire to deny publicity is less so. The amount of attention this is getting worldwide is undeniable. However I feel it does not belong on ITN until after it has occurred and we see how people have reacted. The Hero of This Nation (talk) 01:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Event is obviously "a story of international importance or interest" [1]. However, the blurb will look pretty boring at the moment, "...world leaders condemn FL church's plan to burn a Quran...", so I say Wait till the actual event, after which it will definitely be notable (even if, say, the event is cancelled). SPattalk01:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Israel begins military preparations in order to intercept a 20-ship flotilla due to set sail towards the Gaza Strip and break the Israeli blockade. A wide range of plans are being considered, including the possibility of stopping the flotilla far out at sea due to its sheer size. (Hurriyet)
Around 85 fires break out in the U.S. city of Detroit, Michigan, with at least 20 homes destroyed. Winds of 40 to 50 mph cause 113,000 customers to lose electricity. (ABC News America)(WISN)
I'm not sure if an article exists, but the ongoing strikes in Britain and France have been getting a fair amount of press here in America. I'm fairly certain we put the Greek strikes earlier this year on ITN. ~DCLet's Vent20:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[]
strong oppose The election result already went up, we cant post it everytime something happens. At any rate, in other cases we havent put up govt. formation if the election results were out.(Lihaas (talk) 05:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC));[]
Just to make sure that things are still on an even keel, Lihaas is not accusing anyone of being a hypocrite, but is instead bringing attention towards what may be a hypocritical act (e.g. ad actum vs. ad hominem).--WaltCip (talk) 12:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Support There is precedent. We did the exact same for the UK election. The only difference here, is that it's taken longer to get a final result. --116.240.224.177 (talk) 13:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Strong Support — I only came here because I was surprised that it wasn't up already. There is a precedent with the UK election and, to be honest, if this were anything to do with US politics there is no doubt that this would be already up. Jenks24 (talk) 15:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Actually the "update" has been on the page (not the leded) pretty much from the moment it happened. It's just in a sensible place and not overdone with recentism. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Given that according to that article the record will be broken again in October - and then to the smallest ever. I Oppose until October :). -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[]
It needs an admin to do it at the moment. I've asked on RFPP to see if that can be reset without disabling cascading protection. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 21:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Neutral I probably would've supported if he was assassinated, but he had cancer. Either way, the article needs a major re-write (his cause of death isn't mentioned anywhere, amongst other issues). ~DCLet's Vent16:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[]
supportwhen results are known elections/referendums for ITN (Kenya's constitution was recently posted, if memory serves). This is bigger, its a failure and a government will fall..(Lihaas (talk) 09:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC));[]
Oppose the people of Moldova didn't care enough to vote, no-one here has cared enough to update the article properly, so why should we? --Mkativerata (talk) 10:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[]
A Palestinian Authority spokesman says that Iran has no standing to criticize them for relaunching direct talks with Israel while Iran "represses their people," after the Iranian foreign minister says those negotiating with Israel are "betraying their nations." (Jerusalem Post)
Law and crime
Police in El Salvador discover barrels containing US$9 million in suspected drug money. (BBC)(AP)
It appears the historic quarter is. OK then weak support assuming this church is in the historic quarter of the city - as the UNESCO website is down at the moment I can't check whether it is or not. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 15:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Comment, I moved this up from the Sep. 3 section, since it was nominated on the 5th. Anyone disagrees, feel free to revert. C628 (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
week support very sad Weaponbb7 (talk) 17:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Oppose. While very sad, it is only one building within the WHS historic quarter, and one which does not seem to receive much attention. Traffic stats to the article show only 150 hits in the last two days; none from the days immediately following the event, and none at all from the month of August. If it was a slow news day, maybe... Nightw08:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[]
This has been in the news a lot the last few days. Two bank officials resigned at the beginning of the week after risky loans to Karzai's associates and risky investments in Dubai real estate. Since then Afghan's central bank has considered a bailout to keep the bank afloat and the nascent financial system healthy. I can finish updating the article, but is this ITN worthy? Given the international interest in Afghanistan's development, I think so.--Chaser (talk) 01:25, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Possibly, i may consider a weak support. BUT the whole background (which would be better as an history section or something of the sort (perhaps see other such articles)) section is unreferenced and appears as WP:OR. The latest stuff seems sourced well, but then it would be WP:Recentism. Also the lead can be cut short on an article so small.Lihaas (talk) 10:56, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Oppose failing banks are really not that newsworthy in the middle of recession even if they happen in one of the poorest countries in the world.--Wikireader41 (talk) 14:58, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Oppose - Saturn and Sream awards, for example, also are not published in the ITN. I guess, it's because of relatively low relevance... Crnorizec (talk) 13:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
The Saturn Award and the Scream Awards are for film only. Plus, I'm not sure how that's an argument. It's like saying that because we don't post the Golden Globes that we shouldn't post the Oscars. Anyway, in support, I would argue that the Hugos are the most presgigious SF/Fantasy awards for film or literature (though admittedly the only evidence I have is a google search for most prestigious science fiction award). If we go by WP:ITNR, we don't post many awards for literature at all (as opposed to sports champions of every conceivable form of competition). They are international awards, though generally limited to English Language works. Also, I would argue that if we look at some of the winners of the Hugos, such as JK Rowling or Arthur C. Clarke, the awards are quite relavent to modern culture.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Support when updated. Not only is the story of international significance - it has actual personal relevance for many, because Hugo award winners usually make for good reading. Wnt (talk) 22:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Support. Of obvious significance in a long-running terrorist campaign. Much more worthy than posting any and all >X dead bomb attack. MickMacNee (talk) 14:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Twice in god knows how many decades. This fact does not make it any less significant. I think even the IRA did it twice before finaly doing exactly what has happened here, in a conflict also spanning decades. Like I said, if 'terrorism' is a significant topic for ITN, then the signficance of an announcement like will always piss all over the routine bomb notifications we always post no questions asked, no matter how temporary or uncertain it appears to be. MickMacNee (talk) 15:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Comment. This is possibly quite big news, but I think we need to wait for a response from the Spanish government before posting. The last ETA "permanent ceasefire" ended after only 8 months in December 2006 with the Barajas Airport bombing, so a certain scepticism is to be expected. Physchim62(talk)19:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[]
The Spanish press (at least in their online versions) treat this as a significant announcement: top story on the websites of all the major newspapers (although the "spin" varies according to the political viewpoint of the newspaper concerned!) Physchim62(talk)00:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[]
I think their print editions will provide a better indication as to how historic this is -- whether they go for the 72-point monster headline or see it as just an ordinary biggest story of the day. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:27, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[]
Here are today's headlines from the Spanish press print editions:
La Vanguardia: "Insufficient truce"
Diario de Burgos, Diario de Sevilla: "The government and opposition consider ETA's ceasefire announcement 'insufficient'"
Diario de Cadiz, Granada Hoy, Malaga Hoy: "ETA doesn't convince anyone with its new truce announcement"
El Punt: "Hope and misgivings after (?) new ceasefire from ETA"
El Pais: "'Insufficient' cease fire from ETA"
The Spanish seem to be of the belief that this ceasefire is not a ground-breaking initiative. In retrospect, we might have waited until the front pages became available to make our decision on this item. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[]
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