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Deleting well referenced material as copyright violations is absolutely appalling.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/20101001#Instructions] Some of these "violations" are no more than one sentence!
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This fanaticism by these "self-appointed [copyright] guardians"[http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10789354] makes any prolific editor a target.
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== e-mail ==
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If you're still picking yours up, I've sent you one. &nbsp;[[User:Pablo X|pablo]] 20:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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==Wikipedia:Article Incubator==
== Regarding [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AIkip&action=historysubmit&diff=342108746&oldid=341390727 this] ==
Hi Okip. I note that you did some good work with the Article Incubator when it was first set up, but then you stopped. I'm looking into the incubator as concerns have been raised about it so I'd be interested to learn why you stopped being involved, yet carried on with [[WP:RESCUE]]. What do you feel are the essential differences between the Incubator and Rescue, and why do you prefer to continue with Rescue but not Incubator? <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork</font>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup>YES!</sup>]]</span> 19:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:He has retired. You don't see him around often, his visits very few and far between. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 19:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not a problem. I note he still does contribute now and again. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork</font>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<sup>YES!</sup>]]</span> 21:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Bilateral relations task force Invitation]] ==
You should make that edit while logged in as Ikip. Otherwise, it's hard to know that this account is controlled by Ikip. (I didn't look, Ikip may have stated as much elsewhere, but it is easier to keep track of when it's all in one place). -- [[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</sup> 17:32, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px]][[Template:Bilateral relations task force Invitation]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Bilateral relations task force Invitation|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> [[User:Mhiji|Mhiji]] ([[User talk:Mhiji|talk]]) 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Ah, I just saw the ANI thread. You may want to put a permalink to where you got verified on your user page. Sorry about the password issue. -- [[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</sup> 17:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:ARSH1a]] ==
I can have editors I e-mailed before with Ikip verify I am using the same email. Other than that, there is no way to access Ikip now.
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px]][[Template:ARSH1a]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:ARSH1a|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> [[User:Mhiji|Mhiji]] ([[User talk:Mhiji|talk]]) 20:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:ARSB]] ==
"You may want to put a permalink to where you got verified on your user page?" Please explain...you mean that coding thing that editor have on their user pages, with all the scrambled letters? [[User:Okip |Okip ]] (formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]]) 18:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px]][[Template:ARSB]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:ARSB|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> [[User:Mhiji|Mhiji]] ([[User talk:Mhiji|talk]]) 20:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
: Bfigura may mean [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=342111053&oldid=342110832&diffonly=1 the diff] where Tbsdy lives confirmed your identity. If you're using the same email address, shouldn't you be able to use the ''E-mail new password'' button? [[User:Flatscan|Flatscan]] ([[User talk:Flatscan|talk]]) 05:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:Flatscan, I thought I would use the ''E-mail new password'' too. I will try it again now.
:See, i wanted to stay off wikipedia at work, so I had a complex way of making sure I did. Every night I would change my email address to my sons address, and then scramble the password. This went on for about two weeks. Then when I got home from work, I clicked the "mail a new password" to my sons account. He would then open his account, and I would take the password, updating with my new password. Well, I think on Monday (?) the e-mail to say confirm a new address somehow expired. I am sure I put the password in correctly. I stepped away from the computer and asked my son to press the first link, not the second, and based on the history of the webpage he did.
:I was kind of wishing that this was it, that I would finally leave this nasty addiction. It was kind of nice to be off for a few days. But alas, here I am again. As you know I have left numerous times, I have used forced wiki-vacations, etc.
:Terrible storm here, power may go out. I will send myself password to son's email again. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] (formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]]) 05:40, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::I've heard that some people can restore passwords in emergency situations with help from Wikipedia's developer team; I don't know the details of how it works but might be able to point you to someone who does and could help. Itd be a shame to just have to give up an account that youve been using for 4 years, not to mention the many many edits you've made with it that would all have to be redirected now. -- ''<B>[[User:Soap|Soap]]</B>'' <sup>[[User talk:Soap|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Soap|Contributions]]</sub> 18:29, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Son just emailed into his account, no new email. Thanks for the suggestions soap and flatscan. Maybe I should just commit suicide once and for all and be done with it... :) [[User:Okip |Okip ]] (formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]]) 23:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Well, if it doesnt bother you, then I'll let it be, but I'm just saying that in emergencies it's possible to regain control of an account even if you've lost access to the "email new password" for whatever reason. I've heard there's a limit on new password requests to prevent abuse; maybe you finally tripped the limit. -- ''<B>[[User:Soap|Soap]]</B>'' <sup>[[User talk:Soap|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Soap|Contributions]]</sub> 15:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Since you've indicated that you've switched accounts, and your trusted userrights (rollback) have now been transferred to your new account, I've [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AOkip linked] the block logs of your new and old accounts per the [[WP:BLOCK|blocking policy]]. [[User:Fran Rogers|Fran Rogers]] ([[User talk:Fran Rogers|talk]]) 05:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


== Web slices ==
==Need opinions on photos==
Hi. A disagreement has arisen over which of two photos would be better as the main Infobox image for the [[Ben Templesmith]] article. Can you participate in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ben_Templesmith#Consensus_discussion_on_Infobox_photo this discussion]? Thanks, and Happy Holidays. :-) [[User:Nightscream|Nightscream]] ([[User talk:Nightscream|talk]]) 04:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Wikijoint]] ==
Hello Ikip/Okip,
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]][[Template:Wikijoint]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Wikijoint|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">[[User:This, that and the other|This, that]]</span>, and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">[[User talk:This, that and the other|the other<small> (talk)</small>]]</span> 08:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I wanted to get your thoughts on web slices at [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Webslices for the main page]].[[User:Smallman12q|Smallman12q]] ([[User talk:Smallman12q|talk]]) 03:14, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


== Your old talk page ==
== Your oppose at my RfA ==


I'm flattered that I could bring you out of retirement just to carry on the battle. FYI - The enormous collapsed table you added to the oppose section has broken the numbering in that section. You might want to take a look. [[User:Snottywong|<span style="font:13px 'Copperplate Gothic Light';border:#AAAACC 1px inset;background-color:#DDE4C4;color=#25900D">Snotty<font color="#25900D">Wong</font></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>[[User talk:Snottywong|comment]]</small></sup> 16:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Meanwhile, people are posting there, and the 'click here to leave a message' maybe should also take them here? [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 15:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:thanks, good idea. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] (formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]]) 17:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::Or maybe just redirect the page? If a password has been e-mailed to somebody, somewhere, perhaps the Ikip account should be blocked as a preventative measure. &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablo X|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablo X|hablo]].</sub> 23:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The only place the email could be sent to would be to my sons email account, or my own. If someone wants to block the account, that's fine though. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] (formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]]) 23:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I was thinking that you might possibly have mistyped the e-mail address; if so there's a chance that what you ''did'' type would be someone else's e-mail address. Outside chance though I suppose. &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablo X|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablo X|hablo]].</sub> 09:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


== This project — Wikipedia — needs you ==
== History of the Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia ==


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Hi Ikip, I posted this article on the page of the [[National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia]] with references, but I a getting a message that there are no references. Why is this? Please advise. Thanks, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 03:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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| style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | You have been identified as a valued contributor and your efforts are appreciated. We are honored to present you with the '''''Valued Contributor Award''''' and we thank you for donating your time, expertise and effort to Wikipedia. Keep up the good work. Thanks. ([[User:Hydroxonium/ValuedContributor|more details]])
|} Ikip, I just wanted to ask you think about coming out of retirement. There are many people that greatly value the work that you have done on the project. I'll send you an email later and hope you'll read it. Thanks. - '''''[[User:Hydroxonium|<span style='color:black;background-color:yellow;'>Hydroxonium</span>]]''''' ([[User talk:Hydroxonium|<font color="black">H<sub>3</sub>O<sup>+</sup></font>]]) 23:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
:{{wb|Hydroxonium|thank you for the barnstar}}
== {{tl|retired}} ==
Dude, do it, or don't do it. You're not making yourself look too good by sporadically unretiring to pursue your long-term vendettas.&nbsp;[[User:Pablo X|<tt>pablo</tt>]] 16:40, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


== Take it easy ==
In August 25, 1920, the '''First National Congress of Coffee Growers''' convened in [[Bogotá]], presided by Epifánio Montoya, Alfredo Vásquez Cobo and Don Tulio Ospina Vásquez. This congress laid the foundation for the successful organization and establishment of the [[Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia]] (English: [[National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia]]).<ref name="fed"> El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 22, ISBN 958-33-1279-7</ref>


Hi! I don't know you, but I just wanted to give some friendly advice that you might want to relax a bit with your edits to the ARS talk page. Your recent few edits seemed like they wouldn't do much but cause more drama, and came awfully close to uncivil personal attacks.
The '''Second National Congress of Coffee Growers''' convened in [[Medellín]] in 1927. Two sons of Don Tulio Ospina Vásquez, Rafael Ospina Pérez and [[Mariano Ospina Pérez]], were among the delegates of the province of [[Antioquia]]. Rafael Ospina Pérez presided over this Congress, which created the [[National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia]].<ref name="fed"/>


Best, [[User: Yaksar|Yaksar]] [[User talk: Yaksar|(let's chat)]] 23:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
In 1928, after the Second National Congress of Coffee Growers had created the [[Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia]], the first regional committee was established as the “'''''Comité de Cafeteros de Antioquia'''''”. [[Mariano Ospina Pérez]] was its first President, and the first registered member of the association.<ref>El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 28, ISBN 958-33-1279-7</ref>


== Reversion ==
The first Board of Directors of the newly organized [[Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia]] assembled in Bogotá, in August 3, 1929. Its first members were Mariano Ospina Vásquez, Alberto Camilo Suárez, Gabriel Ortiz Williamson, Carlos Caballero, Jesús del Corral and Mariano Ospina Pérez, the greatest dignitary in the History of the Federation, for whom the organization of the national coffee industry was one of his most serious and ambitious concerns. <ref> El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 23, ISBN 958-33-1279-7</ref>


You whacked my comment, so I reverted you. Please take more care next time. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">--[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User_talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 23:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
The first Board of Directors of the newly organized [[Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia]] assembled in Bogotá, in August 3, 1929. Its first members were Mariano Ospina Vásquez, Alberto Camilo Suárez, Gabriel Ortiz Williamson, Carlos Caballero, Jesús del Corral and [[Mariano Ospina Pérez]], the greatest dignitary in the History of the Federation, for whom the organization of the national coffee industry was one of his most serious and ambitious concerns.<ref> El Café en el Desarrollo de Antioquia, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Editorial Colina, January, 2000, Page 23, ISBN 958-33-1279-7</ref>
:Sorry, that was too harsh, I apologize. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">--[[User:Nuujinn|Nuujinn]] ([[User_talk:Nuujinn|talk]])</span> 23:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


== 3RR ==
In December of 1930, the Fourth National Congress of Coffee Growers convened in Bogotá. Due to the vast knowledge and experience in the coffee industry, acquired running his own coffee business, Mariano Ospina Pérez was summoned by the Minister of Industry, Francisco J. Chaux, and by President Rafael Olaya Herrera to preside over this Congress. Ospina Pérez was elected President of this Fourth Congress. At the adjournment of this Congress, Ospina Pérez was elected, by the unanimous vote of the delegates, as “Gerente de la Federación” (General Director). He served in this position for four years, until 1934.<ref> Mariano Ospina Pérez, Un Hombre de Acción y de Principios, Miguel Angel Lozano, Fundación de Estudios Historicos, Misión Colombia, Funadación Mariano Ospina Pérez, Editorial El Globo SA, Bogotá, Colombia, November, 1991, page 61. </ref><ref>Informe del Gerente de La Federacion al Sexto Congreso Nacional de Cafeteros, Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia, Junio de 1934, Colombia. </ref>


[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus-building in talk pages|collaborate]] with others and avoid editing [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptively]].<br>
In the election of members of the Board of Directors in 1954, Mariano Ospina Pérez, who served as President of the Republic from 1946 to 1950, was installed as President of the Board of Directors (of the [[National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia]]). His return to the Federation marked the reappearance of one of Colombia's greatest coffee names in an active role in the industry.<ref>Brown Gold, The Amazing Story of Coffee, Andres Uribe C., Random House Inc., NY, 1954, Pg 113, Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 55-5793. </ref> <ref>El Café en la Ecrucijada, Evolución y Perspectivas, Diego Pizano, Editorial Alfaomega, Bogotá, August 2001, Page 31, ISBN 958-682-192-7</ref>
In particular, the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] states that:
# '''Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.'''
# '''Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.'''
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. You can post a request for help at an [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If you continue to edit war, you '''may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing without further notice.'''<!-- Template:uw-3rr -->


:For the record, I have no interest in all in getting you blocked, but I don't see why you keep trying to stop a productive discussion for personal grudges.--[[User: Yaksar|Yaksar]] [[User talk: Yaksar|(let's chat)]] 00:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Under Mariano Ospina Pérez' aegis, the National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia successfully consolidated the nation's coffee industry and promoted it in the world markets to great effect. Colombia became the largest producer of prime Coffea arabica coffee in the world. He laid a very solid corporative foundation, and today, the Colombian Coffee Federation congregates and supports over 500,000 independent coffee growers and small farmers.


== An apple pie for you! ==
== [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people/Phase_II#Proposal_by_Jclemens:_new_CSD_criterion_for_newly-created_unsourced_BLP]] ==


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Your oppose gives me the impression that you think that this would apply to existing articles. It would not. Would you care to clarify your statement to make it clear whether you are indeed opposed to CSD of ''new'' unsourced BLPs? [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 04:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Happy 4th of July! Thanks very much for your input the other day. Untill your intervention it felt like we only had a few valiant Seargents desperatly trying to hold the line without an officer class to lead them. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]]) 10:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
== ANI link request ==

I can't find the link to the referenced ANI discussion as to why you changed your user name. [[User:Flowanda|Flowanda]] | [[User talk:Flowanda|Talk]] 07:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Simpsons couch jokes==
You'll be autoconfirmed tomorrow, and will be able to edit the list then. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 07:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:thank you. Lord your talk page is confusing, the most confusing i have seen, and it probably discourages editors from commenting. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] (formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]]) 07:42, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

::Confusing? It's organised! As the instructions say, bottom of the page is fine. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:35, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Re ==

Truth be told, your prior message made me reconsider Je(etc.)'s proposal and I re-!voted as Neutral. --[[User:Cybercobra|<b><font color="3773A5">Cyber</font></b><font color="FFB521">cobra</font>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 08:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, felt they were finished. I archive without hesitation. I used to just delete, until [[User_talk:Cybercobra/Archive_1#Why_are_you_adding_links_to_OCLC_to_book_articles.3F|this incident]] (see later part about blanking). --[[User:Cybercobra|<b><font color="3773A5">Cyber</font></b><font color="FFB521">cobra</font>]] [[User talk:Cybercobra|(talk)]] 09:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Your recent edits==
[[Image:Information.svg|25px]] Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion{{#if:|, such as on [[{{{1}}}]]}}, you should [[Wikipedia:Signatures|sign your posts]] by typing four [[tilde]]s ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button [[Image:Signature_icon.png]] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|Thank you.}} <!-- Template:uw-tilde --> --[[User:SineBot|SineBot]] ([[User talk:SineBot|talk]]) 10:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== +Rollbacker ==

You haven't strictly speaking asked me for [[WP:ROLLBACK|this permission]], but it was part of the user rights table on your old account, so I see no reason why you shouldn't be trusted with it. If you'd rather it were removed, please let me know. [[User:Fritzpoll|Fritzpoll]] ([[User talk:Fritzpoll|talk]]) 12:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)



== Stop making COI edits now ==

You have a stated conflict of interest, over 700 edits in the two months you've been an editor and numerous requests to numerous editors soliciting support for your edits and point of view. You have been around long enough to know your edits clearly violate [[WP:COI]]. [[User:Flowanda|Flowanda]] | [[User talk:Flowanda|Talk]] 08:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


:Hi Ikipi, What does this mean? How do I respond to this accusation? Does it mean I am disqualified to write about the subject matters that I know best and which I am the most qualified authority? To whom do I appeal this charge? Would it be possible to find a Task Force to review this case from an independent and neutral point of view? Please tell me how to further this appeal to a higher body. Thanks for your help, advise and cooperation. Best, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 16:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

=== Let's Have a Proper Forum discuss these Issues ===
Thank you very much for all your advice, guidance, help, efforts and recommendations. I do NOT wish to have any sort of altercation or confrontation. I have tried to make my contributions based on historical facts and information available in the public domain. I have not posted my own words, thoughts or opinions. They are mere historical and undeniable facts, taken from reliable and accessible sources, mainly History books and industry publications. I know that most of these sources are in Spanish, and thus, I have offered to present copies or pdfs of the same for review. Nevertheless, there are some pretty good and reliable sources in English as well. I may not have quoted or referenced them perfectly, but they are there, accessible, reliable and easy to find and read. I have also requested several individual editors, groups and task forces to review and proof-read the article. I am not insisting or pushing for biased thoughts, ideas or opinions. I am only interested in facts and neutral and truthful information. This is precisely why I have insistently asked for help and invited contributions and editors to participate in the discussion and project. What I do not appreciate is the unfounded and unjustified mutilation of the article. I welcome, invite and ask for independent, neutral and experienced editing help, specifically from those from academia, historians and well versed editors. I apologize if my level of writing, contribution and editing is not at your same level. I would like to take these issues to the proper forum for discussion and resolution. Thank you very much. --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 00:11, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


=== The Big Picture ===

I am trying to convey that there are two ways to view an idea or concept, the myopic and narrow view and the broad and wide angle. I am proposing to reintroduce into the main article the entire section (here above) entitled “Impact on the Colombian Coffee Industry”, to reveal how Ospina Coffee has influenced and impacted both, the national coffee industry and the[[ National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia]].

You are not getting the idea. I gave you the example of [[Harvard University]] and its alumni. You responded saying that those are to separate issues. I don’t agree with your opinion, but I admit that it was not a very good example. So let me try again. Please go to the webpage of [[Harvard University]] (http://www.harvard.edu/), then go to their page called Harvard and the Community (http://www.community.harvard.edu/), and then go to their section on Economic Impact (http://www.community.harvard.edu/economic_impact.php). There you will find an in-depth, comprehensive and exhaustive article covering this most important and relevant matter.

Now, you tell me why Ospina Coffee is forbidden and disqualified to present its socio-economic impact on Colombia’s coffee industry and in particular in regards to the [[National Federation of Coffee Growers of Colombia]]? I truly believe that we must invite community members from academia, scholars, historians, economist and sociologist to participate in this discussion. Perhaps I am not the person most qualified to write this article due to my language and encyclopedic limitations, but the historical and socio-economic facts of the matter are undeniable, most relevant and fundamental. This is why I have insistently invited other well versed and trained editors to participate in this project. Don’t you agree? Thanks, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 01:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


=== Wikipedia Dispute Resolution ===

The content and [[WP:N|notability]] of this article needs to be reviewed and edited as the majority of this article was written and edited by an editor with a stated [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Grancafe&diff=339866915&oldid=339834853 conflict of interest].

This is what the article looked like when it was nominated for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ospina_Coffee_Company&diff=334663998&oldid=334483129 deletion]. This is what it looked like when the AfD was [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ospina_Coffee_Company&diff=334831037&oldid=334803986 withdrawn]. The majority of editing before and after by [[User: Grancafe]] shows no deviation from his stated [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]]. [[User:Flowanda|Flowanda]] | [[User talk:Flowanda|Talk]] 10:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


=== Wikipedia Dispute Resolution ===

There is no [[conflict of interest]] here. That is your misguided opinion. My utmost interest is the truth and the undisputed, undeniable and well referenced historical facts. The interest of Wikipedia, academia end the community are above your interest or mine. This is why I have insistently invited other well versed and trained editors to participate in this project. I truly believe that we must invite community members from academia, scholars, historians, economist and sociologist to participate in this discussion. Do you think it is time to take this matter to [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]]? Thanks, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 12:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


== Referencing BLPs ==

I/Okip, Thanks for your comments on my ideas. It basically consists of two parts:1) a 50,000 long list is unworkable - break it up into workable parts and it's solvable. (more on that later) 2) Whilst it is possible for us mere mortal editors to use the various cat scan/list compare tools to do the breaking up, it takes time (more than 20 minutes for me to load fresh lists into [[WP:AWB]] and effort (effort away from actually referencing articles) to do so. Therefore, if this is a major problem according to Jimbo and Arbcom, then they must make some sort of automated system to do the splitting up of the lists into workable lists - by topic, not by date that they were tagged! I hope people don't think I want automated tagging - I only want automated list making.

The [[WP:Australia]] project had a list of over 2000 names just over 2 weeks ago. It's now under [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Unreferenced BLPs|900]]. 900 is still fairly unworkable, so we've split them up again into smaller topics. Other lists have popped up, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Unreferenced BLPs|Cricket]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union/Unreferenced BLPs|Rugby union]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Unreferenced BLPs|India]] and probably many more. This is all do-able, but it does take time, it does get a bit boring, it can be tempting for some editors to put the first google hit they see on it and remove the tag, but it can work. One other good thing about these lists, is that you can use the [[Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australia/Unreferenced_BLPs|related changes link]] to see all edits to them... great to keep an eye on pages without clogging up your watchlist (almost like having multiple watchlists).[[User:The-Pope|The-Pope]] ([[User talk:The-Pope|talk]]) 16:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:You will be happy to note the list has dropped by 7,000, from a high of 52,000 to just over 46,000 last I checked :)
:I need suggestions of what I can do. I find waiting for someone else to do something usually never pans out.
:I can ask the appropriate channels, but unless someone with the technical skills sees your vision, the way I have seen your vision, it will be a long slog :/ [[User:Okip |Okip ]] ''(the new and improved [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])'' 17:03, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::I've had my say, and setup our project to get the job done. I want to keep out of the drama until at least the end of the month and then show everyone else what 20-30 committed editors (thats probably about how many we've had) can do in a month. If one project can reference 2000 articles in a month, then the entire project should be able to do 45316 in a few months.[[User:The-Pope|The-Pope]] ([[User talk:The-Pope|talk]]) 17:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:::RE: [[Wikipedia:Bot requests#Unreferenced biography of living persons bot to get projects involved in referencing.]]
:::Okip, what would project Rugby union need to do. I'm willing to help, and so far have been the only person to try to reference the articles supplied by The Pope and I think I've only managed 80 out of the original 350. The project is presently more interested in fighting over a flag (please see the heavy discussion on the talk page), and you are shouting into a gale. But I'd be happy to monitor the pages thrown up by a bot if that's what is required. Cheers [[User:FruitMonkey|FruitMonkey]] ([[User talk:FruitMonkey|talk]]) 19:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You did everything you need to. all I need is an "okay" from an active member of the project.
::::Funny you should mention the flag, I about wrote, "in between your arguments over the color of the flag" but then thought best of it, and didn't write that...
::::I will let betacommand know your project wants a list, he can make it, then I will post it on your page. The daily bot will start hopefully soon. There is an unexpected problem with a past arbcom decision, which we will have to iron out first.
::::The pope had a contest idea, which I think is wonderful. I asked Durova who to ask about this. I would be willing to put $20 in the pot as a reward, I am sure other editors would too. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 19:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Okip, I've actioned the last group of BLPs you posted today on WP Rugby union. Four of them we would have no interest in as they are Rugby League, hope the rest can be released. [[User:FruitMonkey|FruitMonkey]] ([[User talk:FruitMonkey|talk]]) 09:43, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Comments at Phase II ==

My comments weren't intended to oppose the proposal, I was simply pointing out that maintaining such a rate of referencing is not an easy task. The proposal is a lot better than most that have been proposed regarding this issue. '''''<font color="#FF0000">[[User:Hut 8.5|Hut 8.5]]</font>''''' 23:06, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

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== Bot ==

Hi I/Okip, the bot sounds like a good idea, feel free to have it tested on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Metal/Unreferenced BLPs]]. Keep up the good work <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:J04n|J04n]]([[User talk:J04n|talk page]])</font> 11:04, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== Thank you for your response to articles you are interested in referencing ==
"This first run there were only 3 editors who responded." this is what i love about wiki, thousands vote over how to automatically delete BLPwoR; 3 interested in editing & improving articles; conclusion, why waste time casting pearls before swine, get to work. [[User:Pohick2|Pohick2]] ([[User talk:Pohick2|talk]]) 12:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:navel gazing is fine and all, but people are using BLP as an excuse to delete perfectly fine articles that merely need a little work. (is this a new cabal, no merely a new stratagem by the young deletionists, they find they have a backlog from the good old days before they went on the prowl.) [[User:Pohick2|Pohick2]] ([[User talk:Pohick2|talk]]) 12:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

==Appreciation==

[[File:Urbana Illinois park 20070928 img 2124.jpg|thumb|left|50 px]] I have mixed feelings about barnstars but not about bouquets - thanks for yours :) You have done so much on article rescue issues - these flowers won't bloom till July, so pls accept this pic as a virtual bouquet and as an optimistic proxy for the future of WP. Sincerely, [[User:Novickas|Novickas]] ([[User talk:Novickas|talk]]) 23:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

== A pot of coffee ==
While [[WP:DENY]] specifically mentions trolls, I think it applies as much (or more) to the subspecies known as attention whores. I'm sure he'll be back. &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablo X|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablo X|hablo]].</sub> 23:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:glad we can work together. I appreciate him showing that it is possible for both of us to work together on something we both feel is important. cheers. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 01:03, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Aritekl Rescue Squad ==

Thank you for your invitation. I would have joined but there are already too many members. How would you like to start up a newer, more aggressive, Squad of those squarely against this mass-deletionists. We can start it together. [[User:PeterbrownDancin|PeterbrownDancin]] ([[User talk:PeterbrownDancin|talk]]) 22:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

Thank you very much for the barnstar! It is greatly appreciated! <font face="Kristen ITC">[[User:Ctjf83|<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">T</font><font color="#ffff00">J</font><font color="#009900">F</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>]] [[User Talk:Ctjf83|chat]]</font> 09:42, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:your welcome. Thank you. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 09:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

=== Muchas Gracias ===

:Please allow me to join in this Thank You note. I must reiterate, as well, my deepest gratitude and appreciation for your kindness, wise advise, continued support, words of encouragement and most valuable guidance. As a novice editor in Wikipedia, your mentorship is highly appreciated and most needed. I think you deserve another barnstar as a Wikipedian Noble Crusader. Thanks again. Mil gracias,--[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 14:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

:PS. Why did you change your name from Ikip to Okip? Ikip sounded better to me. Ikip = I keep order, peace and integrity. Best regards, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 15:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:: It was as the result of an [[I/O]] error. &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablo X|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablo X|hablo]].</sub> 15:58, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::ya err, what Pablo said. (I have no idea what that means)... long story short, I scrambled, then lost my ability to change my password, so I as locked out of my account. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 03:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Guidance Barnstar ==

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==Projectification? ==
== Many thanks ==

I'm not entirely clear what your proposal is, so I can't really comment on it. -- [[User:BRG|BRG]] ([[User talk:BRG|talk]]) 19:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Coffee has a similar proposal. [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people/Phase_II#Proposal_by_Coffee.3B_a_means_to_an_end]] I no longer support projectification, because the [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people#When_you_have_a_hammer.2C_every_problem_looks_like_a_nail|underlying premise for "BLP madness" is a hoax and fraud]] i.e. that fraudulent bad faith libelous lies against living people is so prevalent as to warrant such widespread deletions. The reality is that as many as, (or more than) 300 good faith articles must be deleted for every 1 potentially libelous article. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 03:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Re:BLP contest ==

Flag idea wasn't mine- that ''may'' have been Garden's. I've only been a judge this year- I was taking part myself last year :) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 23:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:flag idea? Oh yeah, so much is going on, I forgot what you were talking about..for a second I thought you were talking about flagged revisions. thanks for response. We will talk very soon ;) [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 03:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

==Thank you==
Hi Okip. Thank you for the kind message. I have noticed your efforts to develop tools to address the unreferenced BLP backlog and appreciate what you are doing. Hopefully, the problem can be solved before any drastic actions are taken. Best regards. [[User:Jogurney|Jogurney]] ([[User talk:Jogurney|talk]]) 02:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Lord, thank you so much. [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people#When_you_have_a_hammer.2C_every_problem_looks_like_a_nail|As but a small nail, everyday I log back on and think I am going to get hammered]]. It is only by the support of editors such as yourself, the non-elite (to borrow a term used by a study) editors who do not support Mr. Wales ill-advised agenda, that I am still here. At the risk of [[WP:BEANS]] I have already been accidentally indefinitely blocked once, and have been blocked for 12 hours. I simply in good conscience cannot let short sighted editors who have "utter contempt" for "community consensus" destroy the website I love so much. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small>''(formerly [[User:Ikip|Ikip]])''</small> 03:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

Okip, thank you for the barnstar. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] ([[User talk:Maurreen|talk]]) 21:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

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<u>Per section 3 of the guidelines when nominating a template for deletion/discussion, ([[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion]]), "it is considered civil to notify the creator and main contributors of the template that you are nominating the template."</u> I simply notified a few users who contributed significantly to the template, per the revision history for the page{{mdash}} '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Rescue&action=history Located Here].''' User:Okip, you were a significant contributor to the template. There was no "canvassing", "selective canvassing", etc., and it is very inappropriate to insinuate such. I followed the instructions. Period. <small><font face="arial"><strong>[[User:Northamerica1000|Northamerica1000]]</strong><sup>[[User_talk:Northamerica1000|(talk)]]</sup></font></small> 04:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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'''[[:Category:Article Rescue Squadron/Wikipedia deletion sorting]]''', which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at '''[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 January 25#Category:Article Rescue Squadron/Wikipedia deletion sorting|the category's entry]]''' on the [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion|Categories for discussion]] page.<!-- Template:Cfd-notify--> Thank you. [[User:Mtking|<span style="color:Green;text-shadow:lightgreen 0.110em 0.110em 0.110em;">Mt</span>]][[User talk:Mtking|<span style="color:gold;">king</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Mtking|<font color="gold"> (edits) </font>]]</sup> 06:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
== Article Rescue Squadron welcome ==


==DRV==
Thank you very much for the warm welcome at my talk page. Actually so far I helped rescue an [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah G. Buxton|article]] and mildly the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hollie|other]] with adding references and stuff at the articles themselves. More to come next. Thank you again and let's hope I could help.<br />[[User:Mohamed Magdy|Mohamed Magdy]] ([[User talk:Mohamed Magdy|talk]]) 10:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
A notification that the Templates for Discussion discussion (oy, repetition) has been taken to a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2012 January 27|deletion review]] discussion. The Article Rescue Squadron was notified, and as notifications to previous involved parties isn't normal practise, I and a few ARS members agreed that, in the interests of transparency and fairness, we should let everyone know...hence this talkpage message ;).


If anyone has an issue with me sending these out, do drop me a note on my talkpage. Regards, [[User:Ironholds|Ironholds]] ([[User talk:Ironholds|talk]]) 10:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
== Warning about commentary at the BLP RfC ==
==MfD nomination of [[User:Ikip/br]]==
[[User:Ikip/br]], a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for [[WP:MfD|deletion]]. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ikip/br ]] and please be sure to [[WP:SIG|sign your comments]] with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). You are free to edit the content of [[User:Ikip/br]] during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.<!-- Template:MFDWarning --> [[User:Thumperward|Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward)]] ([[User talk:Thumperward|talk]]) 20:16, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


==A structural solution to good-faith deletion battles==
Okip, this is a warning that I believe your accusations against named editors in good standing are in violation of our [[Wikipedia:Npa#What_is_considered_to_be_a_personal_attack.3F|policies on personal attacks]]. Specifically, the section which defines one form of personal attack as:
Would you look over [[Wikipedia:Deletions and Openness]] and see what you think? I agree that civility is part of the problem, but I really think it will be easier to reverse this trend using software, rather than "excommunicating" the quality-control teams from the project. --[[User:HectorMoffet|HectorMoffet]] ([[User talk:HectorMoffet|talk]]) 08:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
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== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:ARS/Tagged]] ==
Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. Evidence often takes the form of diffs and links presented on wiki.
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]][[Template:ARS/Tagged]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:ARS/Tagged|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> <span style='font:1.0em "Apple Garamond","Adobe Garamond Pro",Garamond,serif;color:#369;'>[[User:DoriSmith|Dori]] ☾[[User talk:DoriSmith|Talk]] ⁘ [[Special:Contributions/DoriSmith|Contribs]]☽</span> 02:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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I am making a formal request for you to refactor your comments, or to provide specific evidence of the wrongdoing you are accusing these editors of. Your comments amount to accusations without evidence, and if you do not refactor your comments, or if you repeat these accusations without substantiation, I may report your conduct for review by other administrators. Feel free to respond to this at my talk page if any aspect of it is not clear to you. [[User:Fritzpoll|Fritzpoll]] ([[User talk:Fritzpoll|talk]]) 11:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well, this puts me in a precarious situation. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.
:I was banned for 24 hours by an <s>"involved"</s> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Fran_Rogers&diff=344319616&oldid=344304575 "non-impartial" editor], then the ban was reversed, on the condition that I "tone down the comments against MZMcBride". So I can't "provide specific evidence of the wrongdoing you are accusing these editors of", because I will be in violation of the reason I was unblocked.
:So the only solution you are giving me is to delete my comments.
:I would be happy to revise those comments by striking out any inaccurate comment(s), if fences and windows allows me too. Beyond this, I genuinely fear being blocked, but I fear being blocked for not doing anything either. [[User:Okip|Okip]] <small><sup style="margin-left:1.0ex;">[[WP:Contest|BLP Contest]]</sub></small></b></font> 18:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
::You cannot make accusations without evidence - it is up to you to decide how you want to handle it, and that your problem arises from your making prior unsubstantiated comments is not my concern and I am not going to unilaterally interfere in an administrator's unblock conditions. But substantial evidence must be provided, otherwise these claims must be retracted. All of your invective is focussed on www.sofixit.org - beyond being aware of its existence, I have no information about its contents. Based on your comments and endless questions/accusations about membership, I am assuming that you haven't any either. If you do have information that I'm not aware of, you may forward it to me, with the knowledge that I may respond to it on-wiki if it is based on fallacious assumptions rather than hard facts. If you do not, you '''must'' refactor your comments - a simple replacement of your contents with "[redacted as a courtesy]" will be sufficient and requires noone else's permission. I can handle the outstanding redactions myself. [[User:Fritzpoll|Fritzpoll]] ([[User talk:Fritzpoll|talk]]) 08:28, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


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== Form Follows Function ==

"Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." -- [[Howard Aiken]]

I see you're something of a rebel yourself. Don't let them get to you. The worst they can do is throw you off their sinking ship. You should really ask yourself whether Wikipedia is worth the struggle, though. I'm here largely because the media places unwarranted importance on Wikipedia (and because Wikipedia Google-bombs every subject, causing it to rise to the top of the search on almost every subject), and someone needs to hold people accountable for the lies and shameless propaganda which breeds and multiplies here on the Internet's toilet seat. Because [[form follows function]], and Wikipedia exists to create a dysfunctional wikiality as seen through the eyes of angry white Family Guy nerds, it probably can't be fixed. The best anyone can do is try to limit the collateral damage it causes outside of its little demesne. [[User:SmashTheState|SmashTheState]] ([[User talk:SmashTheState|talk]]) 14:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== I need your further help ==

Hi Okip/Ikip. I hope you are rehabilitated by now. I have been working on several articles about the Presidents of Colombia, which the great majority are just simple and meaningless stubs. I am working on expanding, correcting and adding references. But I have a problem; I don’t know how to properly do the referencing. I have tried to practice on the test page you created ([[User:Grancafe/test]]), following the instructions you gave me, but it is not working, and I am very frustrated. Could you please see what the problem is in my practice page? Perhaps I need better directions and better instruction. Thanks, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 17:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
: I was thinking of creating a video to help new users, but I may be indefinitely banned soon.
: I am rather distracted by all of this upper level corruption, something which even new users can appreciate, because the end result has unfortunately been bullied new users. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small><sup style="margin-left:1.0ex;">[[WP:Contest|BLP Contest]]</sub></small></b></font> 18:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:: I don't think you'll be indefinitely banned soon. The issue is that you're pissing off people. We're all humans, and because of how you're commenting, it's aggravating people. This in turn causes a perpetual cycle of rage that doesn't get anything done. I honestly think it could be a lot worse -- even though people are annoyed at you, they're not shouting "OFF WITH YOUR HEAD" quite yet. They're still trying to reason with you. Please, ''try'' to be accommodating. It will help you get your message across when you communicate in a way that doesn't make people flip out.
:: Also, a potential threat of you being banned is no excuse to not do constructive work. Proving your worth as a contributor is a fantastic, nay, miraculous way one can remain unbanned from Wikipedia. [[User talk:harej|<span style="font-family:verdana; color: purple;">'''harej'''</span>]] 19:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Eureka! I did it! I went to the help page, read all the links and articles, copied, pasted, practiced, and practiced, until I got it right. I am cyber-phobic, but when desire overcomes fear, I can do it. Hang in there Okip. Truth always prevails, even if it take 1000 years. Thank you very much for all your help, guidance and support. I think you deserve a Purple Herat. Best, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 20:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

::;PS. By accident I figured out how to make a line boldface. That's the way discoveries happen. --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 20:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Dear Ikip (I like it better than Okip), I don't know what is going on and don't understand either. All I can tell you is, pick your fights. I do know that sometimes you have to fight, mainly if your honor is on the line. But my grand father used to tell me: the cemeteries are full of people who had the right of way. If it's not worth it, let it go. Cemeteries are also full of heroes. I am sure there are better causes and better battles to fight. Whatever it is and whatever happens, I will always appreciate your hospitality and help. Best,--[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 20:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

==Note to Scott, Lar, and Mr.Z-man==
I do not wish to engage in conversation beyond the talk page of the RFC, for several reasons. That is why I moved two editors conversations back to the RFC. Moving comments is a regular occurrence, it is permitted, and it is much better than deleting talk page comments (which is also allowed). Fences ask me not to move comments anymore, so I am deleting them.

I will address Mr. Z-man's contention there. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] <small><sup style="margin-left:1.0ex;">[[WP:Contest|BLP Contest]]</sub></small></b></font> 01:49, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

:I don't give a toss about the reordering of the page. You repeatedly made allegations against me, if you were at all honourable (which I'm fast concluding you are not) you would retract them and apologise or produce evidence and a complaint in a regular venue. Instead, you remove negative comments about yourself from your talk page, and are unapologetic about posting unevidenced allegations, personal attack, and out of context quotes about me, in prominent pages. Well, I call you a scoundrel and a coward sir, and if that's a personal attack it is merited and I can offer evidence of both those changes.--[[User talk:Scott MacDonald|Scott Mac (Doc)]] 08:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

::Were you a member of that message board that Mzmcbride was a member of? - [[User:Peregrine Fisher|Peregrine Fisher]] ([[User talk:Peregrine Fisher|talk]]) 08:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, first of all thanks. This is the first time in all this bad-mouthing that anyone has bothered to ask me that question. Ikip would rather ask Durova about me. As, I've said, I've got some questions to ask first. 1) What is the relevance of the question? (relevance) 2) Why would it matter if I were? (policy) 3) Why are you asking me this, and not any of the other thousands of users of Wikipedia? (probable cause). Without answers to those questions, then I'm afraid your question smacks a bit of ""Are you now or have you ever been a member of the <s>Communist Party of the United States</s> [Secret forum of MZMcBride]?" "--[[User talk:Scott MacDonald|Scott Mac (Doc)]] 09:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Well, it's that three pronged test that's making me so curious. I've seen it a couple of times, and it's the answer to its own number three. I don't have anything for the first two. It's just that I've become curious. If you don't want to say either way, that's fine. Just figured I'd ask. - [[User:Peregrine Fisher|Peregrine Fisher]] ([[User talk:Peregrine Fisher|talk]]) 16:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

::::I'm thinking a 'no' would suffice.--[[User:Father Goose|Father Goose]] ([[User talk:Father Goose|talk]]) 00:41, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::So would a 'yes'. So, as here, would a "it is none of your business which other websites people visit or do not visit". &nbsp;<span style="border-left: 1px solid #c30;">[[User:Pablo X|&nbsp;pablo]]</span><sub style="color: #c30;">[[User talk:Pablo X|hablo]].</sub> 00:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::There are circumstances where it is of interest to the entire community, i.e., [[Wikipedia:Canvass#Stealth canvassing]]. Not that we have any hope that people engaged in such behavior will admit to doing it.

::::::I don't agree with Okip's general premise that that behavior invalidated the BLP RfC in which over 400 Wikipedians participated. However, I am willing to express my displeasure that a number of people seem to have coordinated their actions offsite in an apparent attempt to coerce an outcome in line with their views. That's about all I can do, though, is express my displeasure. We don't have an effective means of prohibiting such behavior.--[[User:Father Goose|Father Goose]] ([[User talk:Father Goose|talk]]) 09:06, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::Again, I ask, "what behaviour?" What evidence is there of any secret coordination? Some people don't like what was done, fair enough. But it was done openly and logged on wiki. I'll admit that my attention to Kevin's actions was drawn by an offsite forum (that's not a secret) - but where is the evidence of collusion or even probably cause of such? This is just smears by people who don't like the action. So, we discuss the action, the policy and the encyclopedia - and I don't waste my time responding to smears and innuendo. If there's reason to believe that editors have acted improperly, then will someone please have the grace to present it in a proper userconduct RfC. Put up, or shut up.--[[User talk:Scott MacDonald|Scott Mac (Doc)]] 09:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::::I'll choose to interpret that as a reply in the negative to the earlier question. I'm satisfied.--[[User:Father Goose|Father Goose]] ([[User talk:Father Goose|talk]]) 10:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::Whatever. I resent having to defend myself against spurious, and frankly malicious, charges, and I doubly resent that such charges were spewed multiple times in a public fora when no one had the grace to bring them directly to me. Sorry if I'm upset by this. Ikip can now remove this an feign innocence.--[[User talk:Scott MacDonald|Scott Mac (Doc)]] 10:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Request for arbitration ==

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Ikip]] and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Requests for Arbitration]];
* [[Wikipedia:Arbitration guide]].

Thanks,<!-- Template:Arbcom notice -->--[[User talk:Scott MacDonald|Scott Mac (Doc)]] 15:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== Quick question ==

We're having a discussion at a project and a question came up that I thought you might know the answer to. Is it possible to 'hook' into NPP for articles recently marked as category Martial Arts to notify the project so they can jump on reviewing those articles? [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 00:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Note that I copied this text over from the Ikip talk page. I'm assuming you watchlist your old talk page so you can see these messages, but for the sake of convenience I've copied it over for you. '''[[User:Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]][[User talk:Soap|<font color="057602">''Soap''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Soap|<font color="green">—</font>]]''' 00:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Talk page deletion ==

Generally, we only do that if an editor is exercising his/her [[WP:RTV|right to vanish]], which seemed to be the case for the one I just did. [[User:NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] ([[User talk:NawlinWiki|talk]]) 02:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Great idea ==

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Coding if needed later. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] 17:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
== Don’t be discouraged! ==


==Dispute resolution survey==
Hi Ikip (Ikip=Ikeep honor, principles and truth), thank you very much for your kind message. I have tried to look into what is going on with you and the wolves, and it seems mayor. It is totally out of my league and perhaps out of my interest. Nevertheless, as a word of encouragement, see [[Galileo Galilei]] who almost lost his life to the ridiculous accusations of the corrupt [[Roman Inquisition]] for telling the world that the earth went around the sun and not the other way around. It happens, the most absurd and bizarre, and that is the way life is. Don’t be discouraged, if you know you are right and its worth fighting for it, you will not be the first to die at the stake or the cross for telling the truth. Best, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 03:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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:thank editors every chance you get. Okip BLP Contest 03:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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:: Thank you for your kind words and advice. My two middle names are “graceful” and “grateful”. I have been accused of giving to many thanks. I guess that there are people that cannot handle grace. It reminds me of the famous line from “A Few Good Men” with Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise, when the colonel tells the lieutenant: “you can’t handle the truth!” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hGvQtumNAY). It’s a jungle out there. There is another line that comes to my mind, Mathews 7:6. I hope this ordeal works out for the better good. Take care, --[[User:Grancafe|Grancafé]] ([[User talk:Grancafe|talk]]) 04:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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thanks for the directions about the bots. Also, did you know that if I click on your "leave me a message" bar, it apparently puts it on your old talk page? [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 03:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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Needless to say, you will have my support in this outrageous RfArb when you need it, but I see no need yet to actively make a statement. I very strongly urge you not to make a statement yourself, for it is not necessary. Rather let people expose themselves unaided. '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 07:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

:I agree completely with DGG above. I've been a bit out of WP these days for personal reasons, but I've had a look at what happened to you, and it's most disgraceful. Don't let yourself down. I'll consider making a statement. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 12:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Further discussion at WP:AN ==

I would draw your attention to [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Question_by_a_really_rather_uninvolved_.22member_of_the_community.22|this particular discussion]]. Presently, I am inclined to agree with Guy; blocking would not be appropriate but, as someone previously uninvolved in these matters, I should strongly suggest that you refrain from commenting upon the genesis of the RfC (motives, personalities, etc.) on those pages. I would comment that even the best faith commentary that is not pertaining to the subject on the page may be considered disruptive if it is continued regardless of requests not to do so. Under the circumstances, this is a semi official warning not to continue making those edits to the BLP RfC page that are not specifically commenting upon the issue and a suggestion that you raise your concerns upon the genesis of the RfC at a separate venue. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 16:37, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Raising the bar for new "BLP" articles ==

I don't know whether it was obvious, but a year ago we seemed to be (in my case passionately) on the same side in the inclusion debate that resulted in A Man in Black moving on. As far as I can see, we also have the same attitude to cherishing newbies' first articles. I've proposed ([[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people/Content#View_by_Pointillist|here]]) that we raise the bar for new contributions, and this has been adopted in points (1) and (2) in the [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people#Proposal_to_Close_This_RfC|proposal to close the RFC]]. To make this happen I need conditional support from people like you, so we can prepare the right messages and advice so that new editors understand how to make successful and enduring contributions. Whether you agree or disagree, please make your views about new BLPs known [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people#Proposal_to_Close_This_RfC|here]] a.s.a.p. - [[User:Pointillist|Pointillist]] ([[User talk:Pointillist|talk]]) 01:16, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Re: BLP proposal ==

We have to move on, neither "side" is completely happy, time for compromise. <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:J04n|J04n]]([[User talk:J04n|talk page]])</font> 12:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not changing my !vote. To be honest I want to see all articles sourced not just the BLPs. This is a good step. <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:J04n|J04n]]([[User talk:J04n|talk page]])</font> 17:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== BLP RFC ==

Okip, thanks for your note.

But I was deliberate (although imperfect) in [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people#Part 1 Neutral | taking a neutral position]] and elaborating on that. My position is not against yours. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] ([[User talk:Maurreen|talk]]) 17:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:oh, I know it is not against my position. thanks for taking the time to consider what I said. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] 17:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

::Thanks. I appreciate that neutral positions might be disregarded sometimes.
::I am hoping that moderation all around will be productive. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] ([[User talk:Maurreen|talk]]) 17:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

:::"Moderation all around" is not *just* about you. :) Such as, the "other side" is compromising.
:::I do appreciate your progress in that aspect.
:::I don't think I should move [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people#Moving_unfavorable_facts]].
:::I do think it could be very helpful for you to 1) move/strike/delete/soften your comments that were combative and/or not directly dealing with the matter at hand, and/or 2) at least acknowledge to those you accused that you did not address your concerns in the most appropriate way.
:::Also, if you are canvassing, I think that is counter-productive. It might or might not influence the short-term decision. But it will engender mistrust. It could influence the other side to do the same, thus escalating conflict.
:::Thanks. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] ([[User talk:Maurreen|talk]]) 17:48, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I am [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NuclearWarfare&oldid=345242575#A_Man_In_Black_lost_his_adminship_because_he_improperly_blocked_me_for_canvassing not canvassing it is yet another personal attack] by those who disagree with me. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] 17:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::OK, I did say *if.*
:::::Thanks for moderating your "oppose" statement. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] ([[User talk:Maurreen|talk]]) 17:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Any other suggestions to moderate the oppose statement?
::::::Thanks, see my comment on the talk page, BEFORE will not be added. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] 18:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

:Sorry, I think your comments about BEFORE are counterproductive. If any of the loyal opposition was considering it, you have given them reason go go against it.
:I can't review your oppose statement in more detail now.
:You did make a good point earlier, in a couple of ways, by voicing potential support for a PROD process that would include BEFORE. We're in a negotiation, and it helps to find ways for all parties to compromise.
:No biggie, but just to fix a blip of my own earlier, when I said "move/strike/delete/soften," I also meant to include "archive." Just food for thought.
:Thanks. [[User:Maurreen|Maurreen]] ([[User talk:Maurreen|talk]]) 19:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Talkback ==

{{talkback|NuclearWarfare|ts=20:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)}}
Not sure if you are watching my talk page or not. If you are, just tell me and I won't leave any of these in the future. '''<font color="navy">[[User:NuclearWarfare|NW]]</font>''' ''(<font color="green">[[User talk:NuclearWarfare|Talk]]</font>)'' 20:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

==Agree with the your stance with Biography of Living People==
Some support for your statement on the RFC. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people&diff=prev&oldid=345349848#Oppose_very_notion_of_this_meta-RFC] Regards, [[User:Alpha Ralpha Boulevard|Alpha Ralpha Boulevard]] ([[User talk:Alpha Ralpha Boulevard|talk]]) 05:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons/Contest]]==
Smart idea. I've long suggested that we give people some incentives to actually edit wikipedia and make it fun but my proposals were ignored. Personally I think wikipedia should raise enough funds to put back into the encyclopedia in running various schemes like this to target our weak areas and improve the site.[[User:Himalayan Explorer| <span style="border:2px solid #C5B358 ;padding:0px;"><font size="2"> <font style="color:white;background:#B00760;">'''''‡ Himalayan ‡'''''</font>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:Himalayan Explorer| <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">Ψ''Monastery''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 13:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that, perhaps you should change your user name..[[User:Himalayan Explorer| <span style="border:2px solid #C5B358 ;padding:0px;"><font size="2"> <font style="color:white;background:#B00760;">'''''‡ Himalayan ‡'''''</font>]]</span><sup>[[User talk:Himalayan Explorer| <font size="-4"><font color="#C5B358">Ψ''Monastery''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 13:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== NASA collaboration ==

I would like to hear your thoughts on a [[Wikipedia:VPP#NASA_collaboration|Proposed collaboration between NASA and Wikimedia]].[[User:Smallman12q|Smallman12q]] ([[User talk:Smallman12q|talk]]) 17:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

== Enthusiam and consensus ==

Hi Okip, thanks for the nice comments you posted on my talk page the other day. However I fear that the claim that my "enthusiasm is contagious and inspiring" is undeserved. I have already given up on the BLP RfC. It seems that it will end like every other Wikipedia poll: a small minority who wants a particular outcome will persist until opponents get tired and walk away, and then they will declare that a "consensus" has been reached.

I have come to believe that deletionists are generally moved by unconscious instincts that have nothing to do with the welfare of Wikipedia. Therefore it is no surprise that they are unmoved by any amount of statistics or logical arguments. (Indeed, it seems that the sure way to end a thread in the BLP RfC discussions is to post real data on the "damage" done by those BLPs. Instead of analyzing the data and its implications, the discussion just moves to other threads.)

Wikipedia "consensus mechanism" was developed to handle disputes among two editors who disagree on content edits to one article. It basically says that when agreeement seems impossible, one of the sides should walk away from the fight, and let the the most persistent editor win. That principle will often let the worst choice prevail; but this is not a serious problem in ordinary editing, because the damage is confined to only one article, and because the damage will probably be repaired by other editors at a later time.

Unfortunately that "consensus mechanism" is being used also to decide policies and guidelines; and there its shortcomings are much more damaging. Indeed, practically every page in the Wikipedia:* namespace is the "consensus" a small minority of those who helped write that page, who are naturally its stauch defenders. Even in the rare cases where opposing editors are brought into the discussion (as in the recent BLP RfC), the final "consensus" is reached when the opposers get tired and walk away from the discussion. Now, while in theory anyone can edit a guideline, as any other article, in practice that never happens: indeed many editors will oppose changes to an existing rule simply because they assume that the contents of Wikipedia:* are "the law of the land" and reflect the majority opinion. Moreover a guideline may affect millions of articles; so those small minorities who create the wikipedia guidelines become "super-editors" whose opinion automatically prevails over that of other editors — even if these outnumber them by 1000:1

A few months ago I found a poll in the talk archives of the {{tl|unreferenced}} template, about the proper placement of that tag. The three alternatives on ballot were "top of article", "bottom of article", and "talk page". (Needless to say, the fourth obvious possibility "nowhere" was not even on the ballot.) There were about 30 votes, largely by people who had taken part on the design of that template, which were split roughly evenly among the three alternatives. The most voted one was "talk page"; the least voted (9 votes) was "top of article". Well, you know which one was declared "consensus". I expect that the BLP RfC will end in the same way.


== May 2012 ==
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== Thanks ==
== Sockpuppetry ==
Thanks for that, and while we're on the subject on BLP, well there is a survey of BLP photos I took and I need some feedback on which ones should be used, if you would be willing, and it should be a bit of relief after the depressing nonsense of the past few weeks. '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll]]''</font>) 06:01, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
:I wouldn't worry about any policy changes as the chances of anyone bothering to implement it are pretty minimal. And as I said, I wonder if my comments got reverted?? on the AN/RFARB/RFC nobody checks to see if the refs work, and a lot of times at [[WP:FAR]] where the unsourced old FAs go, a lot of guys just ref the last sentence of the para and a lot of people assume it covers the whole para; not to mention the fact that many people just put in some ref that doesn't even agree; if people bother checking they might invent refs to obscure books that aren't in many libraries. But aside from dishonesty or incomplete reffing assumed to be complete, I doubt there will be enoug inspectors to do anything meaningful, and if they chop off 80% of an article for being unsourced, I think people will just add fake refs. I saw one case of a BLP Prod, the author just replaced it with a cut and paste with only 50% paraphrased a little bit. The other 50% of the sentences were untouched verbatim '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll]]''</font>) 05:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::I've seen some of the BLP hardliners at FAC/FAR and they didn't notice or didn't care about some unsourced/fake sourced stuff so I doubt this will be anything other than a legislative gimmick '''[[User:YellowMonkey|<font color="GoldenRod">YellowMonkey</font>]]''' (''[[User_talk:YellowMonkey#Photo_poll|<font color="#FA8605">vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll]]''</font>) 05:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=|link=]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''two weeks''' for [[WP:SOCK|abusing multiple accounts]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding below this notice the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}, but you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. </div><!-- Template:uw-block -->
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There are lots of pictures of the Return of the Prodigal Son on Wikimedia Commons. [[User:Fences and windows|<span style="background-color:white; color:red;">Fences</span>]]<span style="background-color:white; color:grey;">&amp;</span>[[User talk:Fences and windows|<span style="background-color:white; color:black;">Windows</span>]] 02:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


I am also going to bring the matter of your multiple socks to [[WP:AN|the admin's noticeboard]]. If you wish to respond to the thread there, you can do so on this talk page and me (or another editor) will copy your comments over. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 15:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
== Contest ==


:Oh dear, Ikip/Okip, why you do this? I liked you as an editor. {{p|sad}} --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 15:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
#I signed you up <small>and you have to participate</small>
:Was he blocked for evading a block with a multiple account or for malicious editing with a second account? A shame, he added some good content '''[[User:Jenova20|ツ <span style="color:red;font-family:comic sans ms">Je<span style="color:gold;">no</span><span style="color:blue;">va</span></span>]][[User_talk:Jenova20|<span style="color:purple;">20</span>]] <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Jenova20|email]])</sup>''' 16:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
#Your input is always welcome
::As far as I know, he was not under any extant sanctions. The block is for participating in process (in particular, XfD) with multiple accounts which is not allowed since it compromises consensus. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 16:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
<font face="Century Gothic">[[User:J04n|J04n]]([[User talk:J04n|talk page]])</font> 02:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I see. That's a shame as i found [[User:Dragdrag]] to be a competent and friendly contributor. Hopefully he will learn from this and come back with a spring in his step. Thanks '''[[User:Jenova20|ツ <span style="color:red;font-family:comic sans ms">Je<span style="color:gold;">no</span><span style="color:blue;">va</span></span>]][[User_talk:Jenova20|<span style="color:purple;">20</span>]] <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Jenova20|email]])</sup>''' 16:21, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:*Thanks, yes I would like for it to getting going on March 1st. I'm glad that you will participate. <font face="Century Gothic">[[User:J04n|J04n]]([[User talk:J04n|talk page]])</font> 11:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
*Did he use more than one account at a time? [[Special:Contributions/Dragdrag]] shows he was active just one day there on 17 October 2012. Didn't he ask previously for his Wikipedia password to be scrambled since he was spending too much time on it? Where is the sockpuppet investigation at? He didn't seem to be using his main account much at all that year [[Special:Contributions/Okip]] and not on the same day or same areas that this other account was at. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 20:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
**Alternating between abusive socks on different days is still socking, and pretending to be different editors to game the system is still dishonest. Doing so with ''multiple'' socks over years is... well, let's just say that the current AN thread isn't heading in an "unblock" direction. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Coren|Coren]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User Talk:Coren|(talk)]]</sup> 20:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


*Per the current consensus at [[WP:AN]], I've extended this block to indefinite. That doesn't necessarily mean permanent, so keep the conditions of [[WP:OFFER]] in mind. [[User:Mark Arsten|Mark Arsten]] ([[User talk:Mark Arsten|talk]]) 20:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
== Quick trip to the incubator ==
:: You really ought not to have extended the block before the discussion was closed. No need as it still had weeks to run. Make's it look like the perma ban is a fait accompli. Appalling way to treat such a legendary editor as Okip. [[User:FeydHuxtable|FeydHuxtable]] ([[User talk:FeydHuxtable|talk]])
::: Well, I agree an indef block looks more punitive than anything else (after all, how is an account block going to prevent socking?) but years of socking used to sway consensus are a very, very serious infraction. I hope Okip gets it and accepts a [[WP:OFFER]]. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 22:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
::::It wasn't "years of socking used to sway consensus". He had three sock accounts, one he just started last month, another he used for one day in the month before his latest one was created, and another that hasn't been used since 2009. If he had used any of them at the same time, then it would be a serious problem. Are we punishing him for something done over three years ago, or one of the more recent minor things? Indef ban seems rather harsh either way. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 23:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
:::::I don't know. I try not to reason in "friends vs foes" terms. I felt close to Okip as an editor, still socking is a very big no-no in my book. Also socking is a ''stupid thing to do'', given that sooner or later, especially if you use it in controversial debates, you are going to be caught, and put yourself in deeper trouble. --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 09:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


== Sorry to see this - but consensus says banned for now. ==
I am not terribly familiar with the procedure and I'm afraid time might be a factor here, because [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samurai Aerobics]] is looking like a delete, but for the wrong reasons. I admit it, I was surprised, but this topic actually has significant coverage in reliable sources. It's just an article that is written wrong. It is too much of a how-to article and that's what is being used to justify deleting it. If you're on here (and I'm hoping you are), can you assist me in moving this to the incubator? [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 04:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Intervention from talk page visitor (see just below): it would cause confusion to move it to the Incubator while the AfD is still on. If it gets closed as ''Delete'' (or ''Incubate''), ping me and I will organise it into the Incubator for you. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 18:47, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::*Thanks John. Actually, the nom (an admin also) offered to restore it for incubator purposes too if it gets deleted. I'll hit one of you up. At this point, it might be a no consensus. Since I started arguing the keep, a few more have come in to !vote keep as well. It'll depend a lot on the closing admin. [[User:Niteshift36|Niteshift36]] ([[User talk:Niteshift36|talk]]) 03:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


Okip - I personally am very sorry to see the outcome here, but after discussion at AN [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&oldid=527078669#Okip_socking here], it seems pretty obvious that the community has decided you need to take a break for a while. I ''strongly'' encourage you to read over the [[Wikipedia:Standard offer]] and plan on returning in the not too distant future. I've seen you do some wonderful things for the both ARS, and Wikipedia in general, and hope you'll weather this bump in the road. Best of luck to you in all. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;">&nbsp;?&nbsp;</font>]]</span></small> 21:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
== [[Ashley Gibson]] ==


:Agree with Ched, wholeheartedly. Hope to see you back soon -you did mistakes, but you can show you're a great editor again {{p}} --[[User:Cyclopia|<font color="green">Cycl</font><big>o</big><font color="green">pia</font>]][[User talk:Cyclopia|<font color="red"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 21:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
While this was in the Incubator at [[Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Unreferenced BLPs/Ashley Gibson]], a new version was created by {{user|Ymron}}. Following a request at [[WP:REFUND#Ashley Gibson]], I have done a history merge of the two versions in order not to lose the previous attribution history, which went back to 2007, so the article is now gone from the Incubator. I have notified both editors concerned - this note is just in case there is any tidying-up I should have done after removing it from the Incubator.
::I think its a block not a ban, small comfort I know but most people are arguing for a long break not a ban. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] <sup>''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''</sup> 02:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
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:thank you. There are only a few of these incubated articles left, the-pope is quickly handling the rest.
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:My idea was that in the move edit summary and deletion summary, there would be a link to the incubated article. But that doesn't matter since the commuity has mostly decided they don't like to incubate articles much. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] 00:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Okip, thank you for the notice that the current phase of the BLP RFC is coming to a close. You might find it useful to see if you can find a bot operator to help you with the notifications; it is usually much faster, and you don't run the risk of missing anyone accidentally. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 03:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:thank you, I responded on your talk page. [[User:Okip |Okip ]] 03:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


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Deleting well referenced material as copyright violations is absolutely appalling.[1] Some of these "violations" are no more than one sentence!

This fanaticism by these "self-appointed [copyright] guardians"[2] makes any prolific editor a target.

e-mail

If you're still picking yours up, I've sent you one.  pablo 20:38, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[]


Wikipedia:Article Incubator

Hi Okip. I note that you did some good work with the Article Incubator when it was first set up, but then you stopped. I'm looking into the incubator as concerns have been raised about it so I'd be interested to learn why you stopped being involved, yet carried on with WP:RESCUE. What do you feel are the essential differences between the Incubator and Rescue, and why do you prefer to continue with Rescue but not Incubator? SilkTork *YES! 19:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[]

He has retired. You don't see him around often, his visits very few and far between. Dream Focus 19:13, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[]
Not a problem. I note he still does contribute now and again. SilkTork *YES! 21:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Bilateral relations task force Invitation

Template:Bilateral relations task force Invitation has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Mhiji (talk) 16:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[]

Nomination for deletion of Template:ARSH1a

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Nomination for deletion of Template:ARSB

Template:ARSB has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Mhiji (talk) 20:52, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[]

Need opinions on photos

Hi. A disagreement has arisen over which of two photos would be better as the main Infobox image for the Ben Templesmith article. Can you participate in this discussion? Thanks, and Happy Holidays. :-) Nightscream (talk) 04:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Wikijoint

Template:Wikijoint has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. — This, that, and the other (talk) 08:42, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[]

Your oppose at my RfA

I'm flattered that I could bring you out of retirement just to carry on the battle. FYI - The enormous collapsed table you added to the oppose section has broken the numbering in that section. You might want to take a look. SnottyWong comment 16:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[]

This project — Wikipedia — needs you

Valued Contributor Award
You have been identified as a valued contributor and your efforts are appreciated. We are honored to present you with the Valued Contributor Award and we thank you for donating your time, expertise and effort to Wikipedia. Keep up the good work. Thanks. (more details)

Ikip, I just wanted to ask you think about coming out of retirement. There are many people that greatly value the work that you have done on the project. I'll send you an email later and hope you'll read it. Thanks. - Hydroxonium (H3O+) 23:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[]

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Hydroxonium's talk page.

{{retired}}

Dude, do it, or don't do it. You're not making yourself look too good by sporadically unretiring to pursue your long-term vendettas. pablo 16:40, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[]

Take it easy

Hi! I don't know you, but I just wanted to give some friendly advice that you might want to relax a bit with your edits to the ARS talk page. Your recent few edits seemed like they wouldn't do much but cause more drama, and came awfully close to uncivil personal attacks.

Best, Yaksar (let's chat) 23:47, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[]

Reversion

You whacked my comment, so I reverted you. Please take more care next time. --Nuujinn (talk) 23:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[]

Sorry, that was too harsh, I apologize. --Nuujinn (talk) 23:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[]

3RR

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

In particular, the three-revert rule states that:

  1. Making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block.
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you continue to edit war, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.

For the record, I have no interest in all in getting you blocked, but I don't see why you keep trying to stop a productive discussion for personal grudges.--Yaksar (let's chat) 00:19, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[]

An apple pie for you!

Happy 4th of July! Thanks very much for your input the other day. Untill your intervention it felt like we only had a few valiant Seargents desperatly trying to hold the line without an officer class to lead them. FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[]

Many thanks

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
I am honored to award you this Barnstar for your work in catchig my typos and your valued assistace in bringing Wikipedia:A Primer for newcomers to life for the community. It is hoped that newcomers will benefit for years to come. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/Tab header/talk page

Wikipedia:WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/Tab header/talk page, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/Tab header/talk page and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:WikiProject Article Rescue Squadron/Tab header/talk page during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:48, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of Template:User 1000

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MfD nomination of User:Ikip/Heaven Or Hell

User:Ikip/Heaven Or Hell, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ikip/Heaven Or Hell and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Ikip/Heaven Or Hell during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of User:Ikip/Auto-Upturn

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MfD nomination of User:Ikip/James Wharton

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MfD nomination of User:Ikip/BF

User:Ikip/BF, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ikip/BF and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Ikip/BF during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. MJ94 (talk) 05:07, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of User:Ikip/Alex Tweddle

User:Ikip/Alex Tweddle, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Further Ikip sub-pages and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Ikip/Alex Tweddle during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 20:18, 7 October 2011 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron/BLP/template

Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron/BLP/template, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron/BLP/template and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia talk:Article Rescue Squadron/BLP/template during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:24, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of User:Ikip/Fair Online Network

User:Ikip/Fair Online Network, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ikip/Fair Online Network and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Ikip/Fair Online Network during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of User:Ikip/Wesnoth AI

User:Ikip/Wesnoth AI, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ikip/Wesnoth AI and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Ikip/Wesnoth AI during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 19:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[]

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas!
Best wishes, Fleet Command (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[]

Nomination for deletion of Template:Rescue

Template:Rescue has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:21, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[]

You were a significant contributor to the rescue template, so you were notified

Per section 3 of the guidelines when nominating a template for deletion/discussion, (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion), "it is considered civil to notify the creator and main contributors of the template that you are nominating the template." I simply notified a few users who contributed significantly to the template, per the revision history for the page— Located Here. User:Okip, you were a significant contributor to the template. There was no "canvassing", "selective canvassing", etc., and it is very inappropriate to insinuate such. I followed the instructions. Period. Northamerica1000(talk) 04:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[]

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Article Rescue Squadron/Wikipedia deletion sorting

Category:Article Rescue Squadron/Wikipedia deletion sorting, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mtking (edits) 06:31, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[]

DRV

A notification that the Templates for Discussion discussion (oy, repetition) has been taken to a deletion review discussion. The Article Rescue Squadron was notified, and as notifications to previous involved parties isn't normal practise, I and a few ARS members agreed that, in the interests of transparency and fairness, we should let everyone know...hence this talkpage message ;).

If anyone has an issue with me sending these out, do drop me a note on my talkpage. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 10:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of User:Ikip/br

User:Ikip/br, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ikip/br and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Ikip/br during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:16, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[]

A structural solution to good-faith deletion battles

Would you look over Wikipedia:Deletions and Openness and see what you think? I agree that civility is part of the problem, but I really think it will be easier to reverse this trend using software, rather than "excommunicating" the quality-control teams from the project. --HectorMoffet (talk) 08:02, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[]

Nomination for deletion of Template:ARS/Tagged

Template:ARS/Tagged has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 02:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[]

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Coding if needed later. Okip 17:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[]

Dispute resolution survey

Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite

Hello Okip. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released.

Please click HERE to participate.
Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts.

You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 11:27, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[]

May 2012

Your addition to Kerry Committee report has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. (If you are the copyright holder, see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material without verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Material copied from http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/storm.htm GabrielF (talk) 07:57, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[]

Sockpuppetry

You have been blocked from editing for a period of two weeks for abusing multiple accounts. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

I am also going to bring the matter of your multiple socks to the admin's noticeboard. If you wish to respond to the thread there, you can do so on this talk page and me (or another editor) will copy your comments over. — Coren (talk) 15:16, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[]

Oh dear, Ikip/Okip, why you do this? I liked you as an editor. --Cyclopiatalk 15:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[]
Was he blocked for evading a block with a multiple account or for malicious editing with a second account? A shame, he added some good content ツ Jenova20 (email) 16:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[]
As far as I know, he was not under any extant sanctions. The block is for participating in process (in particular, XfD) with multiple accounts which is not allowed since it compromises consensus. — Coren (talk) 16:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[]
I see. That's a shame as i found User:Dragdrag to be a competent and friendly contributor. Hopefully he will learn from this and come back with a spring in his step. Thanks ツ Jenova20 (email) 16:21, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[]
You really ought not to have extended the block before the discussion was closed. No need as it still had weeks to run. Make's it look like the perma ban is a fait accompli. Appalling way to treat such a legendary editor as Okip. FeydHuxtable (talk)
Well, I agree an indef block looks more punitive than anything else (after all, how is an account block going to prevent socking?) but years of socking used to sway consensus are a very, very serious infraction. I hope Okip gets it and accepts a WP:OFFER. --Cyclopiatalk 22:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[]
It wasn't "years of socking used to sway consensus". He had three sock accounts, one he just started last month, another he used for one day in the month before his latest one was created, and another that hasn't been used since 2009. If he had used any of them at the same time, then it would be a serious problem. Are we punishing him for something done over three years ago, or one of the more recent minor things? Indef ban seems rather harsh either way. Dream Focus 23:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[]
I don't know. I try not to reason in "friends vs foes" terms. I felt close to Okip as an editor, still socking is a very big no-no in my book. Also socking is a stupid thing to do, given that sooner or later, especially if you use it in controversial debates, you are going to be caught, and put yourself in deeper trouble. --Cyclopiatalk 09:58, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[]

Sorry to see this - but consensus says banned for now.

Okip - I personally am very sorry to see the outcome here, but after discussion at AN here, it seems pretty obvious that the community has decided you need to take a break for a while. I strongly encourage you to read over the Wikipedia:Standard offer and plan on returning in the not too distant future. I've seen you do some wonderful things for the both ARS, and Wikipedia in general, and hope you'll weather this bump in the road. Best of luck to you in all. — Ched :  ?  21:28, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[]

Agree with Ched, wholeheartedly. Hope to see you back soon -you did mistakes, but you can show you're a great editor again --Cyclopiatalk 21:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[]
I think its a block not a ban, small comfort I know but most people are arguing for a long break not a ban. Spartaz Humbug! 02:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[]

MfD nomination of User:Ikip/jackminor

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MfD nomination of Subpages of retired User Okip

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Administration notice Board listed at Redirects for discussion

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