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Thanks for using edit summaries!! Jojalozzo 16:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[]

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FSA

Please try to explain you edits on the take page. There is an ongoing discussion there.--Rafy talk 22:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[]

Siege of Homs map

You created this map with the bombardment of Homs. More districts since have been under shelling or are under shelling per article. (Example: Jeb Jandali, Bab Dreib, Old Homs, Hamidiea, Ghouta, Jobar, Rifaat, Arabis, and Juret al-Shaya. The last two have got the brunt lately: and somewhat Ghouta.) If you can update this mpa it would be nice. Jacob102699 (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[]

And Inshaat too. Jacob102699 (talk) 14:34, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[]

Sorry, I didn't create that map. I got it from the Voice of America website. The VOA is a US government organization so all the work they specifically create is in the public domain. If I have time I might be able to use Adobe photoshop and shade in additional neighborhoods although it's not a top priority. I'm also not that sure how beneficial it's to shade in more neighborhoods, because it's starting to sound like most the neighborhoods in Homs are being bombarded.--Guest2625 (talk) 04:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[]

Sorry

Sorry for the major edit mess ups on idlib governorate. The page must be messed up, because it only happens on that page to me. It keeps saying Wikimedia Error and I have to reload while editing. Maybe the server is down on this page. Jacob102699 (talk) 15:29, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[]

No problem. It sucks when the editor/server messes up. I've lost a bunch of work that way.--Guest2625 (talk) 04:44, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[]

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A barnstar for you!

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Thank you for your more than 1,000 edits to articles! Pages like Buffett Rule are much improved with your help. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 19:02, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[]

Wikipedia policy prohibits original research, including syntheses or analysis

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to multiple articles. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. See discussion and examples below.

Dear Guest2625,

Please discontinue posting charts, graphs, and/or data of your own creation except where the data and conclusions are clear, unambiguous, and published by reliable sources. If a graph is merely the presentation of items from a reliable source and does not involve any analysis, such graph MAY be permitted. If such graph, chart, or data requires ANY analysis, or is based on results or conclusions not fully published in a reliable source, then it constitutes original research (OR), which is prohibited under Wikipedia policies. The policy states that "each statement in the article [should be] attributable to a source that makes that statement explicitly. … Take care not to go beyond what is expressed in the sources, or to use them in ways inconsistent with the intention of the source, such as using material out of context. In short, stick to the sources." It has been widely discussed what deviation can be made from this, with a concensus that very little deviation is permitted. For example, it is OK to add two numbers in a source together. Going even a tiny bit beyond this likely is not OK.

Examples: Your chart at Estate tax in the United States appears to accurately present data from IRS Statistics on Income by year for about 30 years. Without addition, that should be acceptable. You also overlayed names of Presidents in those years. This is public record, and thus the combination might be acceptable. However, you also added data for 2009 and 2010 which was not in the main source IRS data, and for which the denominator of the fraction presented (total number of deaths) was not shown in the secondary data. In addition, the data apparently used as the source for your 2009 and 2010 items states clearly that it is by year of tax return not year of death, and thus not comparable to the main data. The 2009 and 2010 columns are OR and not permitted. Further, they are not even consistent with the 1982-2008 columns, according to the IRS second data file.

Your chart at Excise tax in the United States is based on data presented in a 2007 CBO report. The chart presents the CBO report table accurately in chart form. As such, it may not be considered not OR. However, the chart title and descriptions differ materially from the CBO descriptions. Therefore, even though the chart itself is not OR, the captions are OR. Further, the captions used indicate the material is presented in a manner not intended by the source. This renders the entire table OR.

Your chart at Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax cites no sources. Though the data presented might be accurate and calculated from the IRC, it is OR and is not permitted. To quote WP:OR, "Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so."

I will delete charts that appear to be OR. If you believe a chart is not OR, please provide justification and sources in the article discussion and/or file information.

I can relate to frustration that the media does not adequately or accurately cover many tax topics, particularly those involving incidence of tax. WP, however, is NOT the forum for redressing this problem.

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Thank you for your suggested improvements to the graphs mentioned above. It's more constructive if these suggested improvements were given on the specific article talk pages so that other editors could contribute their thoughts. The wikipedia project very much appreciates image files for articles, because these help to advance and improve the content of the project. It should be noted that essentially all featured articles on wikipedia contain images, so it is great that you are helping to improve the images of the articles that you are following. I look forward to any suggested improvements you have on the relevant talk pages. Guest2625 (talk) 01:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[]

Battle of Zabadani

I saw the situation developing at the article on the Battle of Zabadani. And I think we have to look at the time-frame and what the sources really do say. So I have carefully worded the article per the sources. First, I agree that it seems that a large part of the town is not under the control of the government, with the military only focusing on guarding government buildings in the town and the roads into and out of Zabadani. However, the sources are clear that the FSA itself doesn't have any control of Zabadani, with them holding positions outside the city (not being able to enter due to the checkpoints) while the ones who are actually on the streets of Zabadani are civilian opposition members who are organising the protests. Second, I do not agree the battle is ongoing because too much time has passed since the last phase. Three months, and the sources themselves state that battle ended with the military regaining control of Zabadani. So the event that the article covers is done. If there is a new event create a new article. However, as it seems, there is no actual battle for the city. The Army won the battle. Now it seems more of a situation where the military controls the critical points of the city, while they are letting the opposition protesters roam free on the streets. Again...three months, too much time has passed. All this now is for the aftermath section of the battle. EkoGraf (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[]

Sounds fine with me. I was just going along with the wording in the Economist that "much of the town is again under opposition control." From the sources it appears that the Syrian army has control of the entrances to the town, but does not control the town, perhaps because the army fears attacks if they station throughout the town, or perhaps because they are physically not able to. The Guardian source also appears to say that there's a truce or fragile peace in Zabadani with the civilian opposition in control of the town, and the armed opposition and loyalist forces stationed outside the town. But describing it as part of an aftermath section rather than a third phase is fine with me, since the exact details of what is happening in Zabadani is not clear. I think a more accurate heading or subheading for the last paragraph, however, would be either stalemate or truce as stated in the Economist and Guardian. Guest2625 (talk) 00:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[]
Yes the sources clearly say that much of the town is again under opposition control. But they are not under rebel fighter control. They are under opposition civilian control. Also, the military still has a small presence in Zabadani itself at the several government buildings in the town and on the approaches to the town. The FSA is outside the city. So, ok, we agree on that. But, the last edit you made now on the heading and subheading is inaccurate. The article is on the battle for the city from back in January-February. And per the sources you are quoting yourself the Army won that battle and regained control, so there was no truce or stalemate at the time the battle ended. What you call renewed fighting is not a renewed battle for the city, its standard guerilla warfare. There is no fighting for control of Zabadani, only occasional rebel hit-and-run attacks. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[]
Ok I reworded it a bit again. The headings and subheadings. EkoGraf (talk) 12:30, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[]

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Free Syrian Army

Please don't remove POV tags until the dispute is resolved. Next time, read entire the talk page before assuming that said POV isn't mentioned. Thanks. Armins (talk) 08:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[]

It is done. Sorry if the previous post sounds a bit rude. In my opinion, after reading the numerous disputes on the talk page I did not feel like the previous POV dispute was resolved despite the tag having been previously removed. Armins (talk) 09:02, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[]

Hafez al-Asad

This thing about his gradfather being a Turkish wrestler, I believe it's in Zahler's book. I'll fix the citation after the article gets a peer review, then I believe it could pass as a good article, with few additional informations. I just need to make a good prose. --Wustenfuchs 14:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[]

The information about the Turkish wrestler is in Seale's book. It's in the first paragraph of the book see this link [1]. The paragraph states that his grandfather fought a Turkish wrestler that was going through his village and then beat him. It was because of his strength and fighting ability that he subsequently got the nickname Wahhish. I haven't read all the other new material, but I checked this paragraph, since it was added to the Assad family article. The additional material is good, but I agree that the prose needs some work to have a more encyclopedic tone, especially, the material that comes from Seale's book. Guest2625 (talk) 21:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[]
Crap... yes, I haven't saw that. I'll revert my self. About the prose, I gave the article for the peer review. The "Presidency" section is mixed up. Iraq-Iran war is at the bottom, while it should be at the top of the "After dissolution of the FAR" subsection, other paragraphs also need to be moved somewhere else etc. --Wustenfuchs 00:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[]

FSA War crimes

I never said they were the FSA, I only said rebels but noted, with proper sources, that the towns in which the killings happened are FSA-controlled (sources don't mention any mujahideen presence). So there is no OR, everything is written per the sources, please refrain from unfounded accusations and assuming bad faith, that is not per Wikipedia rules on civility. Thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 13:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[]

This discussion should be carried out on the FSA article's talk page. There are a number of other editors who disagree with you. Guest2625 (talk) 21:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[]
I will also tell you here what I told you over at the talk pages. It can be stated that your removal of the sourced info at the FSA article, on the basis that maybe they were mujahedeen, can be considered OR or POV, due to the fact that all of the provided sources state that the towns in which the killings took place are FSA-controlled, no mention of mujahedeen or SLA presence. As for the separation line, like I said at the talk page, there is no rule that the infobox combatants in the Battle of Aleppo article must be a copy-paste from the main war article. Besides, sources have been provided that during this battle the jihadists have been cooperating and coordinating with the FSA and viceversa (already provided you with one source), thus they are allies during this battle. The separation line was proposed as a compromise solution for the Kurds exclusivly due to their ambiguous loyalties in a previous discussion from a few weeks ago. EkoGraf (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[]

Providing three sources confirming that the rebels throwing postal workers of the roof were FSA. Hope that satisfies you. One source is the LA times, which quoted a report by an opposition activist. While another is a report by the Al Monitor, which is considered reliable and notable (read the Wiki page on them). EkoGraf (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[]

As far as the military.com source goes, fine, remove it. However, the report by the opposition activist can be used by all means. We have used reports by hundreds of opposition activists on all the Syria civil war articles without question when they reported on potential killings by government forces. There is no reason to exclude this one when the FSA is identified as the killer. Also, provided sources that identify the killers of that government soldier, who was executed by his own grave, as members of an FSA brigade. I have even named the brigade per the sources. Hope that also satisfies you. EkoGraf (talk) 00:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[]

Did you even read the new sources I added? The reuters source I added identifies the fighters that killed the soldier as being members of the Amr bin al-Aas brigade, while the other source identifies them being a FSA brigade. What is there not to understand there? What is OR there? Please, stop edit warring. I have been trying to be as compromising as I can by adding sources upon sources to identify them as FSA, but you have not shown even an ounce of good faith or attempts at trying to reach a compromise. Instead you are just removing the information again and again even when sources have been presented, on the basis that the sources themselves might be OR and thus wrong, which is OR in on itself. Other editors would have accused you of pov-pushing on this issue a long time ago, instead I have been trying to provide you with sources and am still trying to find a compromise. Please show at least some good faith. EkoGraf (talk) 01:07, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[]

I added yet another source from Al Jazeera [2] in which an FSA commander semi-admits to the possibility of the postal killers being FSA fighters. You want me to continue adding sources? You got the LA times, al-Monitor and al-Jazeera now, all reliable and notable sources. EkoGraf (talk) 10:45, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[]

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