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<blockquote>'''Some of you will have now solved the puzzle. If not, I can tell you that my cyberfriends [[User:Bodleyman|Bodleyman]], [[User:Felsommerfeld|Felsommerfeld]], and [[User:Tokomak1689|Tokomak1689]] no longer exist. Hope you enjoyed the game and enjoyed meeting all my characters. Felsommerfeld the extrovert right-wing bully who upholds the standards of academia; Bodleyman the quiet, unassuming diplomat and a closet Baconian; and more recently Tokomak1689 who was Felsommerfeld's buddy. Didn't you ever wonder why they all turned up at the same time when the Baconian page was under threat?! They all had the same agenda, to pressurize the invaders! I enjoyed seeing you all quote rules at each other when in reality it's complete anarchy and anyone who knows a few rules, stays calm and persists with their desire for long enough gets their way. The administrators are ineffectual and the idea of a ban is laughable because all that's needed is a new identity and an internet cafe! Hope there's no hard feelings. If so, sir, let me buy you a beer! |
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<blockquote>'''Here to help improve the articles.''' [[User:Barryispuzzled|Puzzle Master]] 21:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)</blockquote> |
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You are off to an outstanding start! |
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Like your article on [[Baconian theory]]; you'll want to add a few references, but I'm sure you plan to. |
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Hope to see a lot more of your work! [[User:Williamborg|Williamborg (Bill)]] 14:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC) |
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=== Baconian theory === |
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I appreciate your kind and helpful comments in relation to the [[Baconian theory]] article. ([[User:Barryispuzzled|Puzzle Master]] 23:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)) |
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::You're certainly welcome. The comments were sincere. After a few hours of looking at the material from new contributors, it was an immense relief coming across an article so well written. I marked it to come back to read carefully later. Skål - [[User:Williamborg|Williamborg (Bill)]] 23:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Avoid legal threats == |
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Barry: I know you think I'm trying to gang up on you but I honestly am not trying to. However, I do try to make sure Wikipedia guidelines and policies are followed. That's why I was so concerned when I saw your recent edit to [[Shakespearean authorship]] (see this diff [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AShakespearean_authorship&diff=75168820&oldid=75132836]). Because you are new, you may not be aware of [[Wikipedia:No legal threats]]. This official policy is rather tough--in short, anyone making any kind of legal threat on Wikipedia can find themselves instantly banned. I don't believe you intended the edit summary at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AShakespearean_authorship&diff=75168820&oldid=75132836] (where you said "responding to libel" in reference to a statement about yourself) to be a legal threat but that's how some editors might take it. I'd suggest you preempt any possible trouble by stating on the page that you were not making a legal threat. Anyway, I'm about to go on vacation for a few days but I wanted to let you know about all this. Best, --[[User:Alabamaboy|Alabamaboy]] 23:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:My apologies Barry, although, you have to admit it looked kinda dodgy. ;) [[User:The Singing Badger|The Singing Badger]] 20:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC) |
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A present: [[Wikinfo]]. Just what you always wanted. [[User:The Singing Badger|The Singing Badger]] 01:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC) |
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==check discussion at William Shakespeare== |
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Thought you might like to know that the Strats are quickly building a concensus to cut down the section on authorship on the main William Shakespeare page. These cuts include the summary on Bacon (as well as Oxford and Marlowe). The discussion is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:William_Shakespeare#Consensus_on_authorship_section |
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While we are on opposite sides (officially) of a three sided question, I have always thought that Bacon and Oxford were more connected than most will even consider.[[User:Smatprt|Smatprt]] 02:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC) |
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== I believe that you need to check this out it may interest you == |
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I suggest you look at the links. And I am not intending on destroying any of your research, but there are some interesting points Here. Francis Carr's assertion is that Bacon was both the author of the Shakespeare plays and of ''Don Quixote.''[[Ladb2000]] |
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[[Carlos Fuentes]] raised an intriguing possibility in his book ''Myself With Others: Selected Essays'' ([[1988]]) noting that, "[[Cervantes]] leaves open the pages of a book where the reader knows himself to be written and it is said that he dies on the same date, though not on the same day, as [[William Shakespeare]]. It is further stated that perhaps both were the same man. Cervantes's debts and battles and prisons were fictions that permitted him to disguise himself as Shakespeare and write his plays in England, while the comedian Will Shaksper, the man with a thousand faces, the Elizabethan [[Lon Chaney]], wrote ''[[Don Quixote]]'' in [[Spain]]. This disparity between the real days and the fictitious date of a common death spared world enough and time for Cervantes's ghost to fly to London in time to die once more in Shakespeare's body. But perhaps they are not really the same person, since in the calendars in England and Spain have never been the same, in [[1616]] or in [[1987]]." Out of all of the potential candidates, Cervantes' life spans that of Shakespeare's. Indeed, he is the only candidate to have died in the same year as Shakespeare. Miguel de Cervantes would have had the experience and the knowledge of Italy and other geographic areas that appear in Shakespeare's plays. Furthermore, the story of ''[[The Taming of the Shrew]]'' predates Shakespeare's play and originated in Spain. Likewise, the story of ''[[Romeo and Juliet]]'' originated in Italy, also predating Shakespeare's play. Cervantes' candidacy rests in large part on his knowledge and, equally so, on his extensive travels. One other intriguing piece of evidence, that may shed some light on the authorial connection between Cervantes and Shakespeare lies in the pages of ''Don Quixote'' itself. The name Cid Hamete Benengeli (that of the author or translator of the story according to Cervantes) can be translated as Lord Hamlet, of England. It is also worth noting, that one of Shakespeare's lost plays, ''[[Cardenio]]'', was based upon the stories of Cervantes' great novel, ''[[Don Quixote]]''. |
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The [[Spanish]] word ''berenjena'' means eggplant. I realize this. The suggestion that has been made by certain scholars is that one can translate Benengeli as Ben (which would mean son) and engeli(which could mean England). Cid or Cide does in fact mean Lord. And Hamete is one letter away from the name Hamlet. I am simply putting forward what other scholars, in particular Francis Carr. Francis Carr is a proponent that [[Francis Bacon]] was the author of Shakespeare's plays, and that he also authored Cervantes' ''Don Quixote''. My opinion is that Miguel de Cervantes took the pen-name William Shakespeare. I do not subscribe to Carr's belief that Bacon was both men. However, I direct you to the following char Carr compiled with textual similarities: http://www.sirbacon.org/links/carrtable1.html. The English translation of ''Don Quixote'' has many more textual similarities with Shakespeare's plays than either do with works written by Bacon. This does much to explain the substantial amount of gaps that appear in Carr's chart between Cervantes and Bacon and between Shakespeare and Bacon. |
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Carr's own assertion is that: "It is brought to our attention that the name of the" real author" of Don Quixote de La Mancha is Cid Hamet Benengeli, an Arab historian. This is completely fictitious, no author by that name ever existed. Not only does the author put forth this name as the real author but it's mentioned thirty-three times. Why should someone keep on repeating and repeating a name if he does not want you to take that name seriously? It's a very odd name, Cid Hamet Benengeli. Cid translates as Lord, Hamet - Hamlet, Benengeli--ben means son, engeli can mean of England. So we get Lord Hamlet, son of England--Francis Bacon." (http://www.sirbacon.org/carrinterview.htm) <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Ladb2000|Ladb2000]] ([[User talk:Ladb2000|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ladb2000|contribs]]) 04:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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== DYK bacon == |
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Are you sure Baconian theory was a DYK on June 10, 2007? It would have been way more than 5 days old then. [[User:Wrad|Wrad]] 23:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC) |
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== User:Smatprt == |
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I have filed a report on the administrator's forum against Smatprt arguing for a ban. You are welcome to contribute testimony. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#User:Smatprt_violations]] ([[User:Felsommerfeld|Felsommerfeld]] 11:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)) |
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== [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Shakespeare]] Collaboration == |
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The Shakespeare Wikiproject is starting another collaboration to bring ''[[Romeo and Juliet]]'' to GA status. Our last collaboration on [[William Shakespeare]] is still in progress, but in the copyedit stage. If you have strong copyedit skills, you may wish to continue the work on that article. Members with skills in other areas are now moving on. Improving ''Romeo and Juliet'' article will set a standard for all other Shakespeare plays, so we look forward to seeing everyone there. Thanks for all your help with the project. [[User:Wrad|Wrad]] 20:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== Shakespeare project - New collaboration debate == |
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The Shakespeare project's first collaboration has ended in success, with [[William Shakespeare]] reaching FA status! Congrats to all who chipped in! We also had success in our second collaboration ''[[Romeo and Juliet]]'', which is now a GA. Our next step is deciding which article to collaborate on next. Please join the discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Shakespeare#Next Collaboration]] to help us choose. Thanks. [[User:Wrad|Wrad]] 04:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC) |
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== ''[[Hamlet]]'' == |
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The Shakespeare Project's new collaboration is now to bring ''Hamlet'' to GA status. [[User:Wrad|Wrad]] 00:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC) |
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==Check this out== |
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You might want ot comment here [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:William_Shakespeare&curid=33233&diff=165604474&oldid=165569810]]. Right now there are two angry stratfordians trying to delete (or alter) the authrohship line on the William Shakespeare page.[[User:Smatprt|Smatprt]] 11:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Re: [[Baconian theory]] article == |
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Thanks for the warm missive. I promise to get an email off to you shortly after the flight (to Johannesburg, alas, not Stratford) that I am about to board. Best, [[User:Robertson-Glasgow|Crusoe]] ([[User talk:Robertson-Glasgow|talk]]) 11:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:Presumably you did not get my email? Kindest, [[User:Robertson-Glasgow|Crusoe]] ([[User talk:Robertson-Glasgow|talk]]) 11:52, 27 June 2008 (UTC) |
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::Not yet, but I am making concerted progress. I shall ravish you with critical paeans the moment I am done. Apologies for failing to write back on the email front; my account is proving troublesome. Best wishes, [[User:Robertson-Glasgow|Crusoe]] ([[User talk:Robertson-Glasgow|talk]]) 15:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Romeo and Juliet collaboration == |
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Greetings! The current Shakespeare Project Collaboration is ''[[Romeo and Juliet]]''. This project is currently going a thorough peer review and copyedit before moving on to FAC. The link to the peer review is [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Romeo and Juliet/archive1]]. Have a look! '''«''' <font face="Tahoma">[[User:Diligent Terrier|<span style=color:gray>'''Diligent Terrier'''</span>]] [[User:Diligent Terrier Bot|<span style=color:black>'''Bot''']] [[User talk:Diligent Terrier|<span style=color:black>'''<small>(talk)</small>''']]</span></font> 20:43, 19 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Baconian theory article == |
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You might be interested to know that this article has now been nominated for GA status. [[User:Bodleyman|Bodleyman]] ([[User talk:Bodleyman|talk]]) 15:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Conflict of Interest issue. == |
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Hi Barry, |
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cf. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oxfordian_theory&diff=228355371&oldid=228351951 this edit] and our previous discussions on [[WP:COI|CoI]]; I notice you've included the link to the book you yourself wrote. This is the sort of thing you might be better off applying the guidelines from the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest policy]] for; specifically to bring it up on the Talk page and letting another editor decide whether to add it. I know it must be frustrating to have a book, which I presume you feel is a good scholarly treatment of the topic, and not being able to include it in the relevant article, but the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] policy combined with [[WP:NOR|No Original Research]] and [[WP:RS|Reliable Sources]] are there for a reason. In any case I fear your book falls under the [[WP:SPS|Self-Published Sources]] policy (short version: self-published sources are not considered Reliable Sources under the policy). Please do read up on them; if for no other reason then because it avoids edit wars. Thank you. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 07:05, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:Another editor DID add it! And I was surprised to find it added! [[User:Barryispuzzled|Puzzle Master]] ([[User talk:Barryispuzzled#top|talk]]) 09:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::I'm sorry, I may be missing the relevant context; but as far as I can tell the edit which I linked to above is where the link to your PDF book was added, and that edit was by you. As best I can tell that edit was a new addition of materials and not a moving of existing material. Could you double check this? --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::You're right. In my defence, this issue has unwittingly got mixed up in my dispute with [[Smatprt]] about balance of articles (too Oxfordian POV). I copied and pasted the whole Baconian links sections to add balance. Remove my book reference if it bothers you. [[User:Barryispuzzled|Puzzle Master]] ([[User talk:Barryispuzzled#top|talk]]) 10:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Ah, yes. I've done the quick cut-n-paste a time or two myself. :-) |
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::::I'd rather avoid editing the article, especially to remove material or undo edits, until I've had a chance to study the relevant material more closely (at the very least to have given the article itself a good read through first). Besides, it looks better if you removed it yourself to demonstrate your commitment to following the relevant policies. --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 10:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::But this is not ''my'' issue it's yours. [[User:Barryispuzzled|Puzzle Master]] ([[User talk:Barryispuzzled#top|talk]]) 10:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Actually, being in conflict with the [[WP:COI|CoI]] policy is ''your'' issue, I'm just trying to help you navigate these waters. But I'll certainly not quibble over one little edit if you prefer I do it; so I undid the relevant edit. As mentioned, the way to get a reference to your book into the article(s) is to post information on it on the relevant Talk page and letting another editor add it if they feel it is appropriate (but again, see [[WP:SPS|Self-Published Sources]]). --[[User:Xover|Xover]] ([[User talk:Xover|talk]]) 11:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[WP:AIV]] == |
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I'm sorry, but I've declined your report regarding [[User:Smatpr]]. As this is a long content and GAC based dispute, with prior threads, I'd recommend [[WP:ANI]] for broader community input into the issue. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 10:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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: That's OK. Sorry I pulled you away from your computer game. [[User:Barryispuzzled|Puzzle Master]] ([[User talk:Barryispuzzled#top|talk]]) 07:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[Baconian theory]] == |
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Nonsense or not there is a proper method to deal with it. If the article is complete nonsense then you can nominate it for deletion, if it just needs rewriting then feel free to rewrite it or discuss the changes that need to be made in the talk page. Hopefully we can clear this up quickly :) [[User:Bakilas|Bakilas]] ([[User talk:Bakilas|talk]]) 07:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC) |
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[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia{{#if:Baconian theory|, as you did to [[:Baconian theory]]}}, you will be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-delete3 --> [[User:Bakilas|Bakilas]] ([[User talk:Bakilas|talk]]) 07:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 11:28, 31 July 2008
Some of you will have now solved the puzzle. If not, I can tell you that my cyberfriends Bodleyman, Felsommerfeld, and Tokomak1689 no longer exist. Hope you enjoyed the game and enjoyed meeting all my characters. Felsommerfeld the extrovert right-wing bully who upholds the standards of academia; Bodleyman the quiet, unassuming diplomat and a closet Baconian; and more recently Tokomak1689 who was Felsommerfeld's buddy. Didn't you ever wonder why they all turned up at the same time when the Baconian page was under threat?! They all had the same agenda, to pressurize the invaders! I enjoyed seeing you all quote rules at each other when in reality it's complete anarchy and anyone who knows a few rules, stays calm and persists with their desire for long enough gets their way. The administrators are ineffectual and the idea of a ban is laughable because all that's needed is a new identity and an internet cafe! Hope there's no hard feelings. If so, sir, let me buy you a beer! PuzzleMaster has now left Wikipedia.