User talk:Dmcm2008

Edits

Can you explain the reasoning behind your edits, they do not seem to be accurate just portraing you personal view of Liverpool and ignoring the relality set out by Government etc.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 13:42, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

This is not necessarily just my personal view it is linking Liverpool districts beyond Government boundaries, ie city region.

The provide some references. The Government Boundaries are what Wikipedia uses. If you want to create of City region Cat but do not claim that these places are within Liverpool when they are not.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 13:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I am new to this so i respect your views, I don't mean to offend. These towns and villages are considered part of Liverpool culture even if they are not within the city council boundary. I realise association with Liverpool is emotive and as an avid Everton fan I also know some people take the boundaries very seriously when talking about Everton moving to Kirkby, which in reality is as just as part of Liverpool as Walton or Crosby regardless of Government boundaries. Some reference to Liverpool is apt.

It is apt but what you are changeing is not just Text they create links. I have created Category:Liverpool City Region and added the Liverpool cat to that. I know it is emotive that is why HMGs version is used simply because it is offical and well defined. I'm not sue the Wigan is part of the City Region. Maghull is best descibed as a Dormitory town for Liverpool.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 14:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually i appreciate the feedback as i am learning but struggling to do everything correctly so to speak. If you check Liverpool Vauxhall district that I have created I would appreciate any help on that. Tell me what you think of the Vauxhall identity.

Liverpool suburbs and outlying places

In response to your request for my thoughts, I usually do my best to avoid this issue wherever possible as it's a Wikipedia 'minefield'. The problem is Liverpool has expanded over the years with surrounding towns and villages becoming contiguous with the city. Maghull, Bootle and Crosby are towns themselves with their own identities and could be described as outlying suburbs or dormitory towns of the city of Liverpool. Perhaps point out their relative distance from the city in an article on a settlement to emphasise this. As far as places in the politically separate boroughs of Knowsley and Sefton go, these points are probably your best bet.

The best course of action is to try and achieve a consensus on an article talk page. It might also be worth checking out articles on other UK cities to see how this contentious issue has been dealt with there. There's probably also been discussion within related Wikiprojects, such as WP:WikiProject England and WP:WikiProject UK geography. But if you can already verify disputable content, even better - just add a reliable reference to the offending statement.

If you've not already found it, a good general guideline for writing about places is at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. Snowy 1973 (talk) 13:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Sparrow Hall

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I accept that this item for Sparrow Hall is very short if that leads to deleting it so be it. I will add a defenition in Fazakerley.

Edits

If you carry on with your unrferenced edits you are very likeley to be blocked as a Vandal. You have just reomved the pronunciation guide from fazakerley again.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 21:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. No problem. It does not appear like that. It appears as an error in text. Dmcm2008 (talk) 22:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Little context in Belle Valle Park

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Re Belle Vale Park, I did not set this article up but it was spelt incorrectly as Belle Valle so I tried to amend this. Dmcm2008 (talk) 12:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC) For reference Belle Vale Park is now set up. Dmcm2008 (talk) 19:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding references

Hello. Don't know if you've already found this out, but since you asked... There are a number of different ways to add references to articles and how these references can be displayed on the page. (Use PREVIEW when editing to check layout before submitting your edit). Always remember to add <ref> & </ref> before and after your reference.
1. Harvard style referencing (books), e.g: * Lewis, P.R. (2007). ''Disaster on the Dee: Robert Stephenson's Nemesis of 1847'', Tempus Publishing. ISBN 978 0 7524 4266 2.
which looks like this...

• Lewis, P.R. (2007). Disaster on the Dee: Robert Stephenson's Nemesis of 1847, Tempus Publishing. ISBN 978 0 7524 4266 2.

2. Footnotes for inline citations (books & websites) for more specific refs and useful for facts that could be challenged, e.g:

According to the 2001 Census, Vauxhall had a population of 6,699. <ref>[http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadKeyFigures.do?a=7&b=561326&c=vauxhall&d=14&e=16&g=359600&i=1001x1003x1004&m=0&r=1&s=1202764962500&enc=1 Office for National Statistics 2001 Census: Vauxhall (Ward)]</ref>

or with more details & better formatting - use Template:Cite web (Access date is the date you retrieved the reference from a website)...

According to the 2001 Census, Vauxhall had a population of 6,699. <ref>{{citeweb|url=http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/dissemination/LeadKeyFigures.do?a=7&b=561326&c=vauxhall&d=14&e=16&g=359600&i=1001x1003x1004&m=0&r=1&s=1202764962500&enc=1|title=2001 Census: Vauxhall (Ward)|work=Office for National Statistics|accessdate=2008-02-11}}</ref>

or for books, showing the authors name, title, page(s), date, publisher & ISBN number (add as much info as you can) - use Template:Cite book...

The closure of Eastham marked the last use of paddle steamers on the river.<ref name="Mersey Ferries - Volume 1">{{citebook|title=Mersey Ferries - Volume 1|first=TB|last=Maund|page=p154|publisher=Transport Publishing Co. Ltd|date=1991|isbn=0-86317-166-4}} </ref>

For each article, if it's not already there, add {{reflist}} under the References subheading.

For more indepth detail, take a look here: Wikipedia:Citing sources. For tagging articles/sentences to request citations and for adding references, a full list of templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any more assistance - and well done on Vauxhall, Liverpool. Snowy 1973 (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Categories

Hello again. Your page on Johnny Morrissey is currently listed in [Category:People from Liverpool] - but under 'J' for Johnny. To list him under 'M' for Morrissey, add the following to the bottom of the page (just above all the categories):

{{DEFAULTSORT:Morrissey, Johnny}}

Now every category that you have put on his page will default to his surname first on the category lists. Hope this helps - and keep up the good work. Snowy 1973 (talk) 13:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Whiston

Hello, and thank you for the contact,

Whiston may effectively be a suburb of the City of Liverpool, but it does not lie within the statutory boundaries of the city. Simillarly postcodes are not used for geographic demarcation, but to better facilitate the delivery of post.

Do you have a source that Whiston is a suburb of Liverpool? By the same logic, Bolton could be a suburb of Manchester. I would be more inclined to go for something link "Whiston is a place/town/village/settlement within the Metropolitan Borough of Knowsley, Merseyside, England. It is X miles from Y and has a population of Z. It's close proximity to Liverpool effectively makes it a suburb of the city" But it would need some sort of citation for verification. -- Jza84 · (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I see you've been making this change across Knowsley. I'm afraid this isn't going to be permissable. The editting community works from statutory boundaries at all times and you've added several unreferenced claims as to what is a "suburb" and what is not; I'm sure these won't last. Try to define this issue differently, perhaps by saying "X is a place in Knowsley, Merseyside, England. It is part of the Liverpool Urban Area/Liverpool LUZ." "Suburb" is at best a word used by geographers with a very specific meaning, and at worst a point-of-view ambigous term that locals find objectionable. I'd try to keep things factual and let the readers decide if it's a suburb or not. If there is enough of a consensus, I'd consider "effectively a suburb of Liverpool", but used with care. Does that help?

On another note, if you take an interest in writing about places in the UK, the WP:UKCITIES guide has some helpful tips to achieve thoroughness. It would be nice to see some of these Merseyside entries develop into strong and complete articles. -- Jza84 · (talk) 21:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I take offense at your latest message, particularly when I've merely tried to help. Phrases like "your talk is bullshit" and "you are talking through your backside" are neither helpful or engaging and against our policy on no personal attacks. I would like a full apology. -- Jza84 · (talk) 22:46, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Your rudeness, frankly, is not likely to facilitate a pleasant or effective usership for you on Wikipedia. However, WP:V trumps all other policies. Therefore, do you have a source that Huyton is a suburb of Liverpool? If you do not, then I am quite within my rights to remove such a claim as it is original research and a point-of-view claim. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Rather than post to various pages and people with remarks about me, could you please focus on the issue in hand and cite your sources? If the claim is so well known it should be easy to reference. Wikipedia does not publish original thought: all material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. I have a source that Huyton is a town and civil parish, but not a suburb. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you please refrain from using obscene language on my talk page, I find it offensive. That you don't "give a shite" about what I think is not the way forwards here. Wikipedia is a community project built on mutual respect. Using foul language and being rude to users who are challenging unsourced claims is just not going to help persuade editors round to your point of view.

A cursory glance through your contributions suggest that your sole purpose revolves around this issue of making places "suburbs of Liverpool" and thus it clearly means alot to you. However, your claim that these are "suburbs" of Liverpool is subjective, and not based on any official criteria; indeed, at what point does a place stop being a suburb of Liverpool? As you have not provided a reference for your claim I intend to remove it from the relevant articles; I have the articles' best interests at heart here, categorically. If you have any remarks to make about this, please leave them at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Suburbs_of_Liverpool, where a central discussion can take place, however I trust that you will respect Wikipedia's principles on WP:V, WP:A, WP:OR and WP:RS and refrain from reverting. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)