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Brian Krebs (August 29, 2008). "Wikipedia Edits Forecast Vice Presidential Picks". The Washington Post.
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Maxwell Tani (May 15, 2015). "Meet the guy who has protected Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page for almost a decade". Business Insider.
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Mayank Aggarwal (July 16, 2021). "Nobody should trust Wikipedia, says man who invented Wikipedia". The Independent.
Madeleine Spence (August 1, 2021). "Larry Sanger: 'I wouldn't trust Wikipedia — and I helped to invent it'". The Sunday Times.
Jack Beresford (September 2, 2021). "Wikipedia 'War in Afghanistan' Article Describes It As a 'Taliban Victory'". Newsweek.

Section sizes

Section size for Joe Biden (61 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	9,630	9,630
Early life (1942–1965)	9,042	9,042
Marriages, law school, and early career (1966–1973)	10,531	26,393
1972 U.S. Senate campaign in Delaware	1,825	1,825
Death of wife and daughter	3,826	3,826
Second marriage	7,610	7,610
Teaching	2,601	2,601
U.S. Senate (1973–2009)	74	38,687
Senate activities	18,518	18,518
Brain surgeries	2,432	2,432
Senate Judiciary Committee	6,587	6,587
Senate Foreign Relations Committee	5,852	11,076
Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq	5,224	5,224
1988 and 2008 presidential campaigns	44	16,351
1988 campaign	10,823	10,823
2008 campaign	5,484	5,484
2008 and 2012 vice presidential campaigns	49	27,533
2008 campaign	11,622	11,622
2012 campaign	15,862	15,862
Vice presidency (2009–2017)	77	38,279
First term (2009–2013)	23,805	23,805
Second term (2013–2017)	9,998	14,397
Role in the 2016 presidential campaign	4,399	4,399
Subsequent activities (2017–2019)	6,637	6,637
2020 presidential campaign	78	31,896
Speculation and announcement	3,445	3,445
Campaign	22,415	22,415
Presidential transition	5,958	5,958
Presidency (2021–present)	122	168,369
Inauguration	6,205	6,205
First 100 days	13,050	13,050
Domestic policy	10,073	64,878
Economy	18,512	18,512
Judiciary	5,690	5,690
Infrastructure and climate	13,835	13,835
Southern border	10,329	10,329
2022 elections	6,439	6,439
Foreign policy	4,741	54,574
Withdrawal from Afghanistan	10,690	10,690
Aid to Ukraine	11,695	11,695
China affairs	10,192	10,192
Israel–Hamas war	13,217	13,217
NATO enlargement	4,039	4,039
Investigations	23	13,988
Retention of classified documents	5,768	5,768
Business activities	8,197	8,197
2024 presidential campaign	15,552	15,552
Political positions	31,120	31,120
Public image	10,803	22,129
Age and health	2,468	5,490
COVID-19 diagnosis	3,022	3,022
Job approval	5,836	5,836
See also	125	125
Notes	138	138
References	17	1,677
Citations	31	31
Works cited	1,629	1,629
Further reading	1,430	1,430
External links	107	12,309
Official	440	440
Other	11,762	11,762
Total	441,745	441,745

Current consensus

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01. In the lead section, mention that Biden is the oldest president. (RfC February 2021)

02. There is no consensus on including a subsection about gaffes. (RfC March 2021)

03. The infobox is shortened. (RfC February 2021)

04. The lead image is the official 2021 White House portrait. (January 2021, April 2021)

05. The lead image's caption is Official portrait, 2021. (April 2021)

06. In the lead sentence, use who is as opposed to serving as when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

07. In the lead sentence, use 46th and current as opposed to just 46th when referring to Biden as the president. (RfC July 2021)

08. In the lead section, do not mention Biden's building of a port to facilitate American aid to Palestinians. (RfC June 2024)

I feel his time as VP deserves its own article

In the same way Al Gore's tenure as VP has its own article, I think Biden's time as VP for Obama should also have its own article. Vinnylospo (talk) 19:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[]

Actually, I disagree. Furthermore, Gore's veep page should be deleted. We shouldn't have US vice presidency pages, at all. GoodDay (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[]

I agree with ya. It’s useless. IAmNotACoolPerson (talk) 23:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[]

Vinny, we've gone over this. Don't suggest splits because you "feel" like something deserves it. Read WP:SPLIT for when it is appropriate to split content. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:13, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[]

He did little of note as VP. We don't need an article for everything in American politics. JDiala (talk) 08:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[]

Dark Brandon

I saw that Dark Brandon isn't mentioned in this arcticle. I think it should be mentioned somewhere in here, like 'In 2023 Biden started embracing his meme-persona, Dark Brandon and still frequently does' Leikstjórinn (talk) 18:08, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[]

Its a meme that has little relevance to Biden personally. Dark Brandon currently redirects to Let's Go Brandon#Dark Brandon which is enough. Zaathras (talk) 19:19, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[]

"John Biden" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect John Biden has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4 § John Biden until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Biden's role as point person for Ukraine

The article as currently written ignores this crucial fact. It is discussed at length here:

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/biden-has-proven-track-record-ukraine-what-can-we-expect-his-administration

I don't know the best way to integrate this fact into the article. I hope somebody more proficient at editing can do that. KHarbaugh (talk) 16:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[]

That is probably best suited at Presidency of Joe Biden or Foreign policy of Joe Biden, rather than the article about his entire life. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Its also a blog, so might not meet RS criteria. Slatersteven (talk) 17:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[]

For another reference, see

"What Will Ukraine Do Without Uncle Joe?

Vice President Joe Biden led the administration’s support of Ukraine.

But Kiev worries whether the next White House will have its back as Putin looks to ramp up pressure."

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/30/what-will-ukraine-do-without-joe-biden-putin-war-kiev-clinton-trump/

"No one in the U.S. government has wielded more influence over Ukraine than Vice President Joe Biden. As the Obama administration’s point person on Ukraine policy..." KHarbaugh (talk) 13:36, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Responding to the comments above:

1, Biden being Obama's point person for Ukraine preceded by years Biden's presidency.

2. The. blog in which this was posted is not a mere personal blog, but that of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars KHarbaugh (talk) 09:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Then that would be part of Presidency of Barack Obama if Obama picked Biden as his point person. It could also be described at Biden's foreign policy article(since his prior experience likely helped form his policies) 331dot (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

The article on Biden as currently written contains this:

"Biden visited Iraq about every two months,[129] becoming the administration's point man in delivering messages to Iraqi leadership about expected progress there."

Your reluctance to mentioning Biden's analogous role with regard to Ukraine is utterly bizarre. KHarbaugh (talk) 09:55, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

He has visited Ukraine every two months? Slatersteven (talk) 10:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

The analogy is that he was point person with respect to both Iraq and Ukraine. KHarbaugh (talk) 10:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

Except this makes them different, so the analogy does not work. If not for your instance over the use of this blog you might have relasied that one of the sources were already used for the Iraq claim also includes Afghanistan in the same statement "Besides making Biden his point man on Iraq and Afghanistan". Slatersteven (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

One blog's opinion. Not terribly important. Zaathras (talk) 21:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[]

What IS a point person? HiLo48 (talk) 00:52, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[]