Talk:Rallying

Requested move 12 June 2024

Rallying → Rally (motorsport) – "Rallying" remains vague, as it can apply in literally every other type of sport "rally" is a term as well as the stock market. It is not an adequate disambiguation. Britannica calls it "rally" [1] so that's what I went with here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Britannica does not care for sources or usage, or factual accuracies: for one, rallying by definition of any motorsport governing body is explicitly not racing like they say.

Your point sounds like it mixes Wikipedia articles for Wiktionary entries IMO. I never hear in other sports, or anybody at a political campaign rally that people are rallying to necessitate a move. There's nothing at Rally to suggest it needs to. Sure, a stock can be rallying, but is there ever likely to be an article for that?

Lastly, Rally (motorsport) sounds like a noun, an event, not the wider sport/discipline of rallying. Rally Wonk (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support either Rally (motorsport) or Rallying (motorsport). No clear primary topic here. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 16:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  Why would a primary topic be necessary where there is nothing to disambiguate? Rally Wonk (talk) 11:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support per King of Hearts -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 08:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Rallying is a sport in it's own right instead of being a description of something that can happen in other sports. It is a name. Noun vs verb. --Falcadore (talk) 11:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Rallying is an important political activity, so not just sports. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

  Political rallies have an alternative description and it's an activity with blurred distinction. Also "rallying" is not used to describe that act of a political rallies. Politics may have a claim on "rally", but not rallying. Rallying is the name of the sport. -- Falcadore (talk) 09:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as unnecessary disambiguation. The other meanings for rallying relate to dictionary-style usage (WP:NOT#DICDEF). Prolog (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
  • We have articles on the others, such as political rally; to the general public, the political topic is likely primary, as the motorsports topic is niche. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 21:13, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

    Political rally redirects to political demonstration, which has 2,615 views in 30 days. Rallying has 15,392 views in the same period.

    If Political rally is the common use, the redirect should be addressed before this proposal is necessary. Then, it should be discussed if Rally (politics) should be the correct article title.

    I dispute your claim that the general public would see the political type first, especially outside North America. I'm certainly not able to recall usage of the term in the UK where I currently am.

    As mentioned, article titles don't have to work like a dictionary. Disams and primary topics should be out of necessity, not completionism. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as noted by Rally Wonk, Political rally redirects to Political demonstration which has an order of magnitude fewer page views that the current page. Polyamorph (talk) 08:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Revert back to Rally racing per WP:RETAIN. See this talk page discussion from 2004-2005. It appears that the article was originally created as Rally racing and subsequently moved to Rallying by User:Loganberry. 162 etc. (talk) 22:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Interestingly, Category:Rally racing was never moved, and is inconsistent with the current article title. 162 etc. (talk) 22:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  On my user page you can read that Rally racing began as the official term in the United States by governing bodies that did not comply with the authority of the FIA, the international governing body for Rallying with member organisations in 200 territories. The FIA officially describes rallying as not racing. Category:Rallying also exists. There could be separate articles, but there is evidently no demand to contribute to what is an American name.

  If there are sources for use of Rally racing from outside of the USA, it would support this proposal, else, I can't help but feel this point is USA vs ROTW for the second time. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  WP:RETAIN is very clear on this: "With few exceptions (...), there is no valid reason for changing from one acceptable option to another (English variety.)" "Rally racing" is synonymous with rallying, and that's the name that was used when the article was created. There is no valid reason not to use Rally racing as the article's title. 162 etc. (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  A comment on the reasons already given why Rally racing is not an acceptable option would be helpful. Rally Wonk (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps "Rally racing" isn't the term FIA prefers, but it meets WP:COMMONNAME, and I don't see any reason to deviate from our Manual of Style.

  Whether "Rally racing" is used outside of American English is also irrelevant; see WP:ENGVAR. 162 etc. (talk) 23:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  There's a touch of ignorance, disrespect and tunnel vision there. The rest of the world is irrelevant? Rally racing would have come long after, and as result of, the breakdown of AAA in the 50s, which itself came 45 years after the first rallies.

  If the reliable sources exist for the current content under rally racing, please share some we could use with particular focus to:

  • Touring concentrations
  • Rallying on roads open to public traffic
  • Cross-country
  • Navigational rallies
  • TSDs
  • Eco-rallies

  It seems to me you are on a personal mission to move a page for the sake of moving it, shaping arguments using any policies and archived conversations you can find, whilst showing no regard for having any understanding of the article subject itself. Rally Wonk (talk) 00:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: The proposal does not suggest that Rallying should be used for anything like a disambiguation. After this move, Rallying would redirect to the new article. As the first eight words of the article are "Rallying is a wide-ranging form of motorsport...; the argument behind the proposal (that 'Rallying is vague'), is rather weak. Isn't it the case that if one wants to find out more about something, maybe they should read the article, not just the title?

Rally Wonk (talk) 23:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)