Talk:List of Angry Video Game Nerd episodes

First Season

Is there any good reason why the first two AVGN episodes, from '04, are lumped in with the 2006 season? I would've thought they would a) represent a season in of themselves, or b) be considered to precede the "seasonal" formal altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.209.163 (talk) 06:35, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Length of Table Cells

I want to get everyone's opinion on how information is being displayed in these tables. The content is growing everyday - and it has reached a point where it might be detrimental to the page. I would suggest that each Description Cell adopts a format with two paragraphs. The first will a list of the games/systems reviewed. We should replace the breaks with commas. The second paragraph would contain any special notes. Let me know what you think. Cheers! -DevinCook (talk) 18:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with DevinCook. Having a break after every game title is very wasteful (only a few characters per line) and the cell heights vary widely (2 to ~20 lines). Same for the notes: break after each sentence (inconsistent at the moment) not necessary. Rror (talk) 21:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I would employ the KISS principle and have only data (games reviewed, time) separated by comma and no additional fluff (e.g., this is the first time Nerd destroys...). StevePrutz (talk) 22:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Breaks rectified while keeping table rows short. --Addict 2006 23:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Written by Mike Matei?

Matei is nowhere credited for writing/co-writing, and in this interview states that he is helping with many aspects of the episodes, but does not write his own parts. Rror (talk) 13:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Rolfe writes the majority of show with occasional input by Matei. From the same article "I also play the games a lot with James. Playing games and coming up with ideas I think is often a more fun process for James when there is another person there" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.250.232.218 (talk) 02:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Matei is often credited as "Help" because of various functions on the show including playing the game, acting, drawing and writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerdartist (talk • contribs) 00:32, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Links to episodes

Wikipedia policy states that Wikipedia is not a repository of links. It is of course convenient to have links to all the episodes but according to the policy, isn't Wikipedia supposed to not be something like that? (Just as a notation, from the Finnish article of The Angry Video Game Nerd, the links to the episodes have already been removed.) Apoyon (talk) 19:49, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree to some extend, but this article is more like a list of WP:EPISODES (with title, date, 'synopsis') which also contains links to the videos. I know, it's not TV :) and there are no secondary sources, but they are not just bare links. Rror (talk) 22:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

YouTube Links

There has been a movement to change all links on this page to copies on YouTube. However, it is important to keep the links official with the links on the AVGN website. Some videos were published to YouTube before the show was picked up by ScrewAttack and GameTrailers. Once this happened, videos were published on the respective GameTrailers page.-DevinCook (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Related videos section

I feel that there are too many irrelevant videos in the related videos section. Just because a video has Rolfe in it or it was made by him, does not automatically mean that it should go in that section. I think it should be limited to videos starring Rolfe as the AVGN (not in a cameo role) that do not fit into the regular episode list. Andy120290 (talk) 04:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree, after all this article is about the AVGN, not Rolfe.--Megaman en m (talk) 09:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed some stuff. Some of it, like "James Rolfe – Meet the Nerd!," could probably go as well, but I am not sure. I will leave it to the talk. Andy120290 (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

check the related videos table

I don't know how to make the change to correct the problem...sorry. but, something is wrong with the way the related videos section is displaying. It shouldn't be in the table above it, but should start it's own table. If anyone can fix it, that would be a great improvement to this already very useful page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brvman (talk • contribs) 05:52, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Can anyone please re-edit the list of the episodes from Season 1? Somebody enlarged the boxes and put descriptions saying that James rip the Irate Gamer's videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.108.9.240 (talk) 16:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Original Research

The current version of this article contains numerous little factoids included in the list that are fairly obviously Original Research. I'm referring to things like "first episode to not use the word 'fuck'". These do not belong and I think they should be removed. I'm just dropping a comment in case anyone has an issue with this. -Verdatum (talk) 08:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Theme Song

Isn't there an episode where they play the full version of the theme song. I can't seem to remember which one it is... Dustman15 (talk) 23:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It's the Sega CD Rewiev. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.196.232.252 (talk) 09:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Nintoaster... so what?

Well, we can say that the nintoaster was used for the first time, on the Action 52 rewiev, but do we need to say that he keep using it? we can assume he will use it from now on. what do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.196.232.252 (talk) 09:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree, him using it is very trivial, and not important in any way to the game he is reviewing. CTJF83 chat 16:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Page needs simplification

We might want to remove the synopsis of each episode. As it stands now, the page might be considered an "episode guide" which is against Wiki policies. I suggest that the description cell only contains games reviewed. Otherwise, this page can become ridiculously complex. -DevinCook (talk) 13:32, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, I've cleaned up before, but you know how IPs go... CTJF83 chat 02:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

If there are no objections, I would like to remove all the text besides the console/system and games reviewed from the Notes column.-DevinCook (talk) 12:08, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Removal of External Links

• External Links do not the body of the article. Wikipediea is not a collection of external links and external links should not normally be used in the body of an article. It is not a directory to help you find individual episodes. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:44, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Even though I am bias in favor of the show, he is correct on the Wikipedia policy. The links need to be removed in addition to cleaning up the notes field. -DevinCook (talk) 12:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
    • I love AVGN and agree with both of you. I was going through one time and removing everything after the first time an episode "aired", but got bored and stopped. So if someone wants to remove all the ELs from the body, go for it. CTJF83 chat 14:47, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
      • I find the deletionist moronacy here as always foolish and anti-information. The links were useful. I routine used them to view. This article is a god damned LIST of episodes. It is quote common and USEFUL to have links like this. This is the primary reason I will never donate to this site is foolishness like this. I again find this to be an aggressive quest against knowledge to apply bureaucratic rules to suppress useful information. Wikipedia is at this point more of a political expression of activist editors than the a repo of information. The sad thing is most of the activists could NEVER, EVER get a job as an editor. mickrussom (talk) 03:02, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
        • Ultimately, the guidelines set down in Wikipedia are designed for it to be a useful resource to begin research. The page must be encyclopedic - in that sense it needs to relay information. Information about episodes are encyclopedic. The episodes themselves, are not. Besides the obvious fan-dome direction Wiki would take without these rules, it makes the articles "fragile" insomuch external links can never be considered 100% stable. While I do appreciate the useful links... and I use them... Wikipedia is not intended for that.-DevinCook (talk) 04:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

• This is list is a list of episodes of content available. There are countless examples of this being done elsewhere. What this is is a deletionist activist policy of bureaucratic troll destroying information to lick the boots of hyper-policy driven administrators to try and earn things like Barn-stars. This is exactly what the bureaucrats that worked for the Nazi regime were like. Please STOP DESTROYING TRUTHFUL INFORMATION HERE. The beauty of cyberspace is there is no reason to artificially limit the size and scope of things like traditional media encyclopedia. This website is becoming infested with frustration information destroyers. I was just enjoying watching AVGN episodes and returned on CHRISTMAS EVE to find some drooling psychopath pulling a Grinch and deleting useful links to funny material. mickrussom (talk) 03:14, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Please see my diatribe above. I'm not arguing against the article. Also, its refreshing to see Godwin's law make an appearance. Its been a while, at least for me! :) -DevinCook (talk) 04:11, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
    • AS a guest, I must say: STOP DELETING THOSE USEFULL LINKS. And I don't want to be offensive, but **** everyone who wants to delete those links. To hell with the deletionist policy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.61.53.79 (talk) 12:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
• I'm responding here per the 3PO request made at WP:EAR: Wikipedia is not a collection of links. At this point, the latter two (User:Mickrussom and IP editor editing from 109.61.53.79) are soapboxing and on top of that, purposefully disrupting Wikipedia and the process to make a point by edit-warring. There are times when it is necessary to ignore all rules, and then there are times when it is necessary to use common sense when applying that policy. This is one of those times when the policy is there for a reason. This is not a link repository for persons to use as a directory listing for viewing the videos. While linking to YouTube can be a valid reference in some instances, this is not one of them. Furthermore, keep the uncivil personal attacks out of it please as it highly disdainful to accuse someone of/compare their actions to being a Nazi without basis. All that said, as a point of note in the future for User:Duffbeerforme, please word your request for Editor assistance carefully next time as it honestly looked like you were canvassing. Now then, I have restored the page to the last revision by "duffbeerforme" (Revision as of 21:46, 24 December 2010) not because it was he who posted it, but because that revision reflects Wikipedia policies as they are set forth. Continued edit-warring should be reported to the ANI. I'll also put in a temporary protection request till the dispute is resolved. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② 06:04, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}

• Could someone please remove the external links from the body of this article to comply with wikipedia policies of not a collection of external links and external links should not normally be used in the body of an article and is not a directory to help find individual episodes, see above discussion (easily done by undoing this edit). duffbeerforme (talk) 17:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

  Sorry to be lazy but I don't have time to do this. It would help an admin considerably if you do this on the draft version that I have created at Talk:List of The Angry Video Game Nerd episodes/draft. Alternatively the links could be converted to footnotes, if they are deemed useful. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:57, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

  Done (using this version). duffbeerforme (talk) 03:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

   Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

• I don't know what the fans' problem with removing the ELs is. They are all there in the history, and as far as Wikipedia policies go, the history of the article stays forever. Which means that the links and fancruft stay forever, too. Example. -Shadurak —Preceding undated comment added 12:16, 29 December 2010 (UTC).
• You guys are just diminishing the usefulness and general worth of the episodes page by deleting these links. Nobody but you cares about the "PHILOSOPHY" as it applies to Angry Video Game Nerd episodes, y'all, and all you've done is made this page not worth visiting. Great work! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.108.236 (talk) 04:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
• Guys, we just have to accept it. If someone wants to make a page on Wikipedia less useful because Wikipedia has a policy written down, so be it. It's not like we can change the content on Wikip- oh. 60.226.67.88 (talk) 08:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

References

I feel that each episode needs some sort of external reference to prove it's existance. Anyone else agree? ManfromDelmonte (talk) 00:49, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Agree. The basic requirement of verifyibility. and some of the more crufty stuff should be removed unless independent sources are provided (stuff like "The first episode where The Nerd doesn't say "fuck".", where does an independent source even come close to reporting such trivia?). duffbeerforme (talk) 14:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

The Unholy Crusade

I am far beyond spent with the endless internet-arguments about external links being such a bad thing. It is not as though this page is nothing but external links; it is useful information that is enhanced by the inclusion of links to off-site content. There has been an ongoing crusade by several people, including duffbeerforme, who has also posted on the Nostalgia Critic entry to remove "EL's" there as well. This over-zealous application of the letter of the law is in contrast to the spirit of the law, which is intended to uphold quality in articles. It is sadly being utilized as a tool to REMOVE quality in this instance, and several others. Do not bother quoting/linking WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A COLLECTION OF EXTERNAL LINKS or EDIT WAR or any other such policy pages. I am aware of the policy, and I am disappointed in its application. I am making a stand here, whatever the outcome. Some mod had better come along and gold-protect this article and/or ban me for life from editing, because I am going to keep bringing the links back as long as I am capable of doing so, and I encourage others to do so as well. When words have failed, actions must speak for themselves. Facta non verba. I do not consider this vandalism, I consider it activism against an extremist application of policy. Shakzor (talk) 14:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you consider trying words before "they failed"? duffbeerforme (talk) 15:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I did indeed. Seems they invariably fall on deaf ears and ignorant minds here on wikipedia; gathering place for law school drop-outs. I will be back reverting the page on February 1st, when the protection expires. Shakzor (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)